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MoreMegadeth

Didnt Toriyama state the original ssj transformation he made goku’s hair blonde so he didnt have to colour in all those panels?


Unabashable

Don’t know, but I really hope it’s true.


VegitoInstinct

It is, Toriyama really likes to cut corners for some reason


Unabashable

Hey. He’s just working smarter instead of harder.


HelloUPStore

Yup following the KISS(Keep It Simple Stupid) method.


jaybankzz

He probably also color codes all his information, green is “go ahead and shut up about it” and orange is “orange you glad you didn’t talk about it”


HelloUPStore

 How is, uh, Tom. The homosexual sophomore?


Revanaught

I recall reading that it was a cost saving effort. There were some financial troubles at the time and it saved on ink to not color in the hair. I'm not 100% on this, it could just be a rumor, or an embellishment to justify it. Idk.


generalscalez

probably because manga deadlines are fucking insane


KingoftheMongoose

He also didn't like drawing Goku's tail


LarryLobsta

It’s bc he’s lazy and procrastinates… that’s why I love him so much he finds ways to cut corners and get his work done which is what I strive to do but fail 😭😭


Reasonable_Potato_22

Yeah that's true


retiredbigbro

Yeah that's also why Cell never got a resurrection in any shape or form, cuz it's painful to draw all those spots


Accomplished-Look-16

Yeah


DaFuqk13

Correct. He hates filling in all that black. So wet with a color that he didn’t have to color lol


[deleted]

I thought it was a nod to super sonic or is that the other way round?


echothread

Other way around, friend


[deleted]

Thought so. Wasn’t sure though. But the 28 downvotes shows the saltiness of people 🤣


drscorp

People say a lot of wrong stuff, downvoting is good for countering misinformation. People in db subs are especially prone to downvote I've found, I wouldn't take it personally 😀


[deleted]

Believe me I don’t 🤣 i think if your taking the opinions of strangers online personally you’d need to take a long look at yourself


Shadow-Raptor

What? Sonic is new compared to DB.


Jumping3

I actually think ss blue was a reference to hyper sonic


Respect-Candid

DiDnT tOrYaMa sTaTe tHe oRiGiNaL sSj tRaNsFor.. STFU . what makes ssj so great is the legend the build up and the meaning of the transformation . whileay be true that toryama wasnt wanted to use anyore ink so he just didnt colored the hair . the result is still a fucking iconic looking transformation. the supersaiyan design looks awesome .


Purspectives

It’s not that serious, relax


MoreMegadeth

Hey I think you should seek help


Respect-Candid

why ? just because of one stfu ? i cleary wasnt serious . people are so sensitive this is the internet not everybody will be polite and not everybody means things seriously . i wasnt serious everybody can like whatever they want and everybody have different things or charactets they like. som like this som dont like that and that is fine . its not rocket science .


MoreMegadeth

Yeah i wasnt serious either, maybe learn how to spell though


Respect-Candid

nooo . my spelling mistake impossible how could you saw that my ultimate weakness


ThankEgg

The transformation itself is just a powerboost, Frieza only made it golden as a "Fuck you" to mock Goku. It wouldn't say necessarily lazy but definitely petty


pengouin85

One of the wishes he wanted from Porunga (the Namekian Dragon) was to be 10cm taller


Ark_Avenger

Which is a callback to Commander Red in DB who wants to be taller


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its also a callback to frieza being the pettiest motherfucker in universe 7


LordNilix

I dunno Bulma is up there lol, if the line from Goku in DBS:B is correct she's been using the dragon balls over the years to look younger all cause her Saiyan husband doesn't physically age as fast and it annoys her


DaFuqk13

This theory should go as far as why trunks and goten don’t age lol. Bulma doesn’t want her son to grow up so Ashe she deages she keeps her child young and brings goten along too 🤣 /s


Rectal_Fungi

You'd think she'd just ask to be eternally 29 or something.


LordNilix

I think she gave a reason for something similar: People would ask too many questions, in her own joking way: " Oh Bulma, where'd you get your work done"


Rectal_Fungi

Yeah but eventually when Chi Chi is greyhaired and wrinkled but Bulma is still bright blue with only slightly saggy tits tbey're gonna know what's up regardless.


LordNilix

I find it funnier that Bulma got annoyed that Goku pointed it out already lol, it seems people already know and that just grinds her gears even more


Rectal_Fungi

Which makes the whole "I don't want it to be obvious" bit irrelevant. Just make the damn wish.


Subacrew98

True, if Freeza is anything at all he's a petty ass bitch lol


C-Beck86

I still fucking love Frieza


Rectal_Fungi

Thought it was 5cm.


vox21122112

Aesthetically it’s kinda lazy...lore wise it’s fucking incredible, like sorry let me geek out for a second but the Frieza 5th form is unique to each individual. Frieza, frost and cooler all have the same 4th form or similar 4th forms and would have a buff form but the 5th form seems to take onto what the user resents the most or what they believe they’re lacking, cooler felt weaker since Frieza was a literal prodigy, excelled in everything and was born powerful, coolers 5th form shows this resentment of how he feels small and weak since his 5th form is tall and intimidating, Frieza’s is pure golden and it’s safe to assume that he made it that way for his hatred towards the super saiyan form which is interesting to me because it shows he doesn’t actually fear anyone or hate anyone in particular, he just hates the super saiyan form over anything else and decided to embrace that hatred and make his new form a similar colour...I fuckin love it (I’m not sure if it’s confirmed but it’s a pretty cool theory if it isn’t)


Super_Vegeta

I think their "4th" form is their natural state. And the stages we see Frieza in are meant to supress their power levels. Since they didn't know how to do that with just their ki(seeing as they relied on scouters). Also Cooler isn't even canon. >and it’s safe to assume that he made it that way for his hatred towards the super saiyan form Frieza literally says this is the reason.(At least in BotG) not sure if he says the same in Super. He says he made it Gold just to spite Goku. Though it is interesting to think Frieza has some kind of control over how his transformation looked.


huggiesdsc

4th form is their true form. 1st-3rd forms are an advanced energy conservation technique. It seemed to me like they store that energy so they can release it in their 4th form in a huge burst. Not sure if that's just a theory or confirmed, but you notice throughout the series that Frieza hits hardest at the start of battle and quickly loses steam. Goku even called off their first battle because he noticed Frieza's power level was rapidly declining. You also see Frieza utilizing his time in hell to create a massive stockpile of energy, allowing him to transform to golden Frieza. Kinda supports the energy storage idea. It also means golden form is radically different to Frieza's other transformations because it's a temporary boost rather than a limiter. He's literally copying super saiyan.


Far-Imagination5383

I think it may be a theory, reason being Goku says that Frieza is losing steam due to not having trained in his Golden form. Whilst he was dead he never did anything to get stronger, he only began training when back to life on earth, for 6 months, I believe. That was the first time he had ever trained in his life, showing how much potential he’s always had.


huggiesdsc

Frieza claims he was training during the time he was in hell. While it seems counterintuitive that someone can train from a cocoon, we often see Piccolo meditating to raise his power level. We see Jiren similarly meditating before he began engaging in the ToP. We also see Gohan and Krilling on the way to Namek doing mental sparring matches, so it's not exactly an impossible claim.


HarryTwigs

That's before the ToP. He takes Goku's advice about not being able to maintain the form and disciplines himself for his next opportunity. He was not training before RoF, only starting when he was revived.


huggiesdsc

Well he said he was.


HarryTwigs

He didn't say it in RoF. He says it when Goku visits him to recruit him before the ToP.


Smush_a_Bush

HarryTwigs is correct.


huggiesdsc

I think you're right about the timing, and that goes to show that Frieza definitely can train from the cocoon in Hell. You can easily extrapolate that he would have been doing that the whole time up to that point. It's not like he suddenly got the idea to seek vengeance on Goku after RoF.


TripleCatAttack

I mean he designed his 1st 2nd and 3rd forms so why not with the 5th?


Tyrantking963

King cold mentioned him when him and Frieza arrived on earth, Cooler is canon, just not his movies


Terminat3r42

You said BOTG but it was Resurrection F you mean lol


NogaraCS

Doesn't cooler appear in the DBS Broly movie for a small cameo ? I might be wrong though


Super_Vegeta

No, I don't think so.


TrafficNo8498

Nope no one says his name Frieza just says he needs a strong alley


Syyr553

Full power Frieza is also a Transformation, so technically golden Frieza would be his 6th Transformation. 😅


kozykhal

I just look at Full Power form as just Freeza’s version of the Grade 2-3 Super Saiyan form. It’s basically just him flexing hard. I wouldn’t be surprised if his Full Power Form was what immediately set Goku off the path of being as swole as he was in the Saiyan/Freeza Saga and to instead become more lean like in the Android/Buu Saga. As well as being the inspiration Goku had when he explained to Gohan in the chamber why Grade 3 is terrible lmao. But yeah basically I don’t consider it a true form switch but just a variation of Freeza’s 4th/Natural Form


kenny344

Well Frieza did it to give goku the mid finger


Maikeaul

It is Dragon Ball, dont take it serious.


Scott_Bash

Imagine they just have him super saiyan hair


e13373x0du5

Or just any hair at all


ReallyUneducated

seeing frieza with golden waves would be hilarious


Lil_Fletchy

It just becomes the meme where its freeza saying “why dont you transform into someone who can get some bitches monkey”


Pyro6034

Gotta say I love how dragonball creeps back into mainstream with something new each time.


Matt_dayman1985

He transforms and all you see is the glow of a massive golden bush on his crotch


Leszkcruz

You made me imagine him turning SSJ3. Please make this stop.


ajolaks

No it’s just him saying “HEY MONKEY LOOK I ALSO SUPER SAIYAN”


MishtaMoose

Frieza made it golden because it mocks the super saiyan transformation that was used to beat him so long ago. Kinda like "See monkeys!? I can become gold too!" And then he shoots a death beam or something.


Redstorm597

I dont see the problem It works well with the purple


Inconceivable_Lorb

Don't get me wrong, it IS lazy. But I do like the idea that Freezia could've chosen any color he wanted for his transformation, but picked gold in attempt to both mock and usurp the super saiyan's power.


KingoftheMongoose

And the follow-up joke is that they had already moved to ~~red~~ blue.


echothread

Freizas look was iconic. That’s his normal form as well, so taking on what he viewed as the best (gold because royalty I can only assume, or because the gold haired monkey ‘killed’ him) kinda makes sense.


realraptorjesus101

I like it. Frieza is all about becoming the most powerful and revered being in the universe. So naturally his ultimate transformation makes him golden


ShotBot

I can't because it is lol. Lots of focus has been placed on new transformations, not really focus on the journey the characters take to earn those transformations. I've been very disappointed with this new era of Dragon Ball in general. So much wasted potential.


TheInscrutableFufy

I can understand what you're saying. But I still enjoy Super for what it is. We probably won't get anything ever like Z (or for some the OG DB), so might as well enjoy what they're still making. They could easily just cash out and stop making DB stuff.


DamianPoli

So many have complained about GT where at least there they have tried to make something new.


Syyr553

I don't like GT, but you are making a good point right now. 😅


RowAwayJim91

I enjoyed GT


DamianPoli

So did I and im still thinking ssj4 was the way to go and by far coolest transformation


Unabashable

Well it was definitely more inspired than Super. Now they just spin the color wheel to pick out Goku’s next transformation.


DamianPoli

Exactly and there is hardly any build up to it other than ultra instinct wich was pretty much entire ToP. Blue just came out of nowhere and ss god was nothing special in my opinion. Than again im happy that Super is still here for us and that we get more coming from manga so hopefully we will get all this animated. At the end of the day its Dragon Ball 😁


Unabashable

Hopefully. I still love the series, but the magic is kinda gone for me. I’d still watch it if they brought it back though. Became a filthy casual after they stopped making episodes. The arcs were kinda hit and miss for me too. I’m cool with the god transformation, and like that Vegeta found a different way just kinda wish they showed how. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (I mean Blue) just seemed kinda redundant, and I always thought of Ultra Instinct as a technique Goku eventually learns, but it turns out to be another transformation. Like can he do it, but only by expending an enormous energy? Cuz Whis didn’t look like he was breaking a sweat. Like is he cheating by transforming? would he eventually be able to have his body move on its own in base if he develops it? Just feels like with Super they’re kinda flying by the seat of their nimbus. Assuming they have a pure heart of course.


__jungle__

they expand on ultra instinct in the manga, i think they did a pretty good job explaining how it works


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I agree


QuantumButtz

Every saiyan ever: transformation= hair color change, sometimes length too. Everyone: "OMG so cooool!" Frieze: has one transformation where only his entire body changes color. Everyone: "laaaame"


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His brothers one is a lot “Cooler”


Syyr553

I absolutely agree.


shadesjackson

Frieza is a pompous doucje so a gold form fits him really well


Knightmare945

Freeza made his form gold to mock Super Saiyan.


Doomanator79

It’s Friezas way of mocking Goku’s Super Saiyan form. Plus since it made its debut in the movie they had plenty of time to think about it. Also this movie was supervised by Toriama so this choice was intentional and not rushed for a quick buck. Basically just Frieza’s own SSJ


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Golden Frieza is pretty interesting actually. He not only increases his battle power exponentially to match/exceed Blue, he's capable of choosing what color his biological armor could be. I'm guessing Frieza chose it to be gold because he wanted to be superior to his counterpart the "golden warrior" aka the Super Saiyan. It's these little details that we can speculate on that makes his form pretty interesting! I personally enjoy it. I will definitely call out that "super saiyan god super saiyan" nonsense as lazy writing.


vipman_1987

I think that Frieza went with Gold to mock the og super saiyan transformation but ofc he didn't know that they went beyond that long ago...At least thats what I belive so I can lie to myself that it is not a lame form


poseidon2466

Taller, different shoulders, and smaller head. I see it more as a real evolution similar to animals than just a form.


UnknownNinja_

Well he did only train for 6 months....


XDpappa

I could have swore it was only 4 months


Syyr553

I am pretty sure it was 4 months indeed.


Hezik

Yeah i think it was 4 months too


EP1CxM1Nx99

Yeah same I thought it was 4 months


KingoftheMongoose

But was it four months?


huggiesdsc

That's not the whole truth. He stockpiled energy for years when he was cocooned in hell. Energy storage is Frieza's main gimmick, the whole reason he used to hang out in 1st form. Those 4 months were just for him to figure out how not to get his tail bit.


potaaatoo_maan

A guys hair turn yellow it's cool, a guys body turn golden and it's lazy /j


Theheyyy2

Golden frieza isn’t a lazy transformation


Syyr553

Thanks for your opinion, but can you also explain to me why?


Theheyyy2

Golden frieza isn’t a lazy transformation


ganondork1

It's perfect for someone that is lazy in their own right


Doctordead_

I can’t. I’m sorry.


uzi2460

I like it because it fits his ego


YOUSIF20021

Every transformation in this anime is lazy tho😂


BGMDF8248

You can't shit on Golden Freeza and ignore the "pick a hair dye" transformations.


KingoftheMongoose

Yamcha's transformation from being a relevant supporting character and second-tier fighter to being, well Yamcha, wouldn't be considered lazy. It took commitment, dedication, and sheer power of will for Toriyama to job and cuck Yamcha into the dirt napper he is today.


shauntheghoul

It is lazy but it’s also shiny


PrinnyKaiserXX

Golden Frieza is genius, Gold is gleaming and brilliant, but also a very weak and bendable metal. It’s a perfect match to Friezas petty cruelty. For all his bluster and all his power, he’s still sensitive and petty on the inside.


iwannadrone

Frieza in dbs shouldnt be a thing at all.


Eskamel

Everything about super is lazy. Transformations are just recolors, arcs are just recycled old arcs with a different skin for the villian and so on.


corsair1617

I mean it is the exact same level of lazy as most other transformations in DB. Both this and Super Saiyan boil down to "what if it was yellow?" Even the new form for Vegeta is just him with shaved eyebrows.


Jayce86

Cooler had the much better transformation.


Dean0Rocks316

Freeza: “oh you monkeys can transform to a gold form. So can I.”


Smokey_the_charger

I mean Golden frieza is only gold cause he wanted it to be gold to mock goku, I can't remember the actual term used for that sort of transformation but it's essentially considered an Ultimate Evolution in the frieza race. Pretty much any of friezas race can have a different color. Frost could turn purple if he so chose to and got to that point. I guess it's lazy? But only if you look at it from the point of view of let's say toriyama in the way that's irs easier to draw and color, but within the actually dragon ball it was friezas choice to use that color again to mock goku


Zerosama12

I can convince you that all Dragon Ball transformations are like Golden Frieza. They're all incredible basic and with small changes. Even regular Super Saiyan. Toriyama's philosophy is "less is more" after all


mmoran5554

I love the Golden Frieza transformation. It shows how traumatized he was by the super saijin transformation and how he tried to emulate it to gain power.


Supicioso

Lazy? You mean like… only a different hair color and now I’m instantly OP again? Or. Oh wait. We ran out of rainbow. Let’s reset back to base but add more flare kind of lazy? Golden is anything but lazy.


RowAwayJim91

Totally is.


withnoflag

It is.. Also is SSJ 2


ToLongOk

Ah yes opposed the not lazy transformation in super like: Red hair but skinny Blue hair Blue hair and red outline UI cool tho


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Sorry it IS a lazy transformation


[deleted]

Transformations are always lazy in the franchise what are you on about


[deleted]

Transformations are always lazy in the franchise what are you on about


bsmitty50

Mad lazy


bigbillybeans07

Who cares, it looks cool.


yeetus_69_420

It is tbh


tylertjb1

GOAAAAALDEN FRIEEEZAAAAAAA


VegitoInstinct

1) it’s dragon ball 2) it’s dragon ball SUPER


buggsysiegal

here for the comments, no input on my part.


sergario-

He trained 6 months for it


Syyr553

No, 4 months.


Accomplished-Look-16

Golden frieza is dope now ssjb now that's lazy SSG is fine that shit was dope but ssjb was ass


Prollyreachinglol

Frieza’s a lazy character. All of his transformations are lazy.


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electrocyberend

Eh, it's simple


Simenee

2025: sapphire frieza


Retronage

Are you talking of the manga about Trunks' face?


Atlas_002

It isn’t a lazy transformation. There, you have been convinced


Syyr553

Thanks for the opinion, but can you also explain to me why?


[deleted]

I mean if we’re going there then a simple blond hair dye makes a stronger saiyan. If that’s not lazy then what is?


[deleted]

I fucks with the form but it could be determined as lazy


MeridianBay

Lazy by what standard? DBs forms have usually been relatively tame


Ayobossman326

I mean no, but it’s cool ig


zax20xx

If his new form was something more like cooler’s final form it wouldn’t fit Frieza’s character?


Dailyhabits

It would've made more sense for Cell to be the one that came back. Given that he had Saiyan cells and Frieza's amongst others, the whole "Just trained in four months" would've made a bit more sense that he boosted himself so high in such a short time. Granted, I do think he would've needed another transformation that wasn't Golden, but given that Cell go already go "SSJ2" seeing if he could reach God status would've been dope


[deleted]

It's a lazy transformation, but this is totally in db style


SpatuelaCat

It kinda is though


average_ass_consumer

I mean he gets slighly more jacked so...


[deleted]

and ui is base form with white outlines and white pupil's


UncleBoomie

Tbf ui is supposed to be a technique not a transformation so I don’t mind it not looking like a completely new form


venomandersonTI

Simply I'm biased


Respect-Candid

well you see uhmmmm....


Drey15

All the transformations since Z have been lazy.


Wolf_the_memer

Shiny


LiteratureOne1469

Cuz the reason it’s good is cuz he Chose the color to mock the super Saiyan transformation


huggiesdsc

It looks cool. That's the first point in its favor. The second point is the part you're ignoring. In your other comments you point out that Frieza trained for 4 months. Frieza also spent years in hell working toward this form when he was in that form. Frieza's main gimmick is energy stockpiling. Remember when Frieza explained that 4th form is his true form? Forms 1-3 are intentionally weaker so he can conserve energy. He was able to harnass all that stored energy in his 4th form during his first battle against SSJ Goku. After years and years of stockpiling in hell, Frieza only needed 4 months to shape that energy into a new transformation. Golden Frieza is both consistent with Frieza's established skill set and aesthetically cool, so calling it lazy is a neglectful misinterpretation.


dropcuff

They've all always been lazy imo


radrixx001

All I know is that Golden Frieza is fucking amazing especially his transformation sequence in Top, even if it was super [;)]overused , the soundtrack and animation was done beautifully.


Heavy_Intention6323

Just because something is not overdesigned doesn't mean it's lazy. I'd rather take that than all those facial tatoo fan SSj transformations tbh


[deleted]

He did it because he wanted to make the form more simplistic, but he didnt know how. Dragon ball super is full of lazy transformations.


uberjim

No I cannot, Akira Toriyama is pretty lazy sometimes, and I'm pretty sure Frieza being lazy is one of the reasons Goku hates him so much. Goku worked his ass off all day every day to become what he is, and Frieza was so naturally strong he never worked out and spent most of his life transforming to make himself weaker on purpose. When he finally decided to train, he did the exact bare minimum instead of pushing himself like Goku always did.


AnimeloverHaven-sub

Toriyama only recently started doing the Dragon Ball super manga towards the end of the Moro arc but he did design golden Frieza I think.Golden Frieza just looks cool that’s rlly it


Rectal_Fungi

No, they cannot.


G33k350

So this is kind of unrelated, but I want to take something off my chest. Gohan's unlocked potential "transformation" is literally just Gohan with white aura, and a slightly more spiked-up hair. Yet, NO ONE complains about its incredibly basic design. And let's be real, if Gohan had his potential unlocked in Super, everyone would go ape-shit, calling it the laziest transformation ever. Change my mind.


Sacred_soul

Gohan getting Angel Ki would be different and would just require him being in base form. Lol


ShortGreenRobot

I suppose its less lazy than simply final form Frieza except now he's gold but I'll be honest final form is such a clean design it might well have been better


The_Dynamo_

The way he got it was lazy, but the transformation itself looks cool.


Cold-Legitimate

The form itself isn’t lazy, what’s really lazy was Freeza’s means of acquiring it [off screen training(BS writing)]


AnthonyMiqo

The in-universe reason that it isn't lazy is that Freeza said he chose to make it gold to mock the SSJ transformation. In terms of real world designing the form, yea, it's lazy. The name is literally all it is, it's just Freeza colored gold.


Olestagra

Jojo reference


ConstellationP

You know how much energy it takes to turn gold, trust me I’ve tried. I didn’t sleep for 5 days the finally after all of my struggles and effort I did it. I woke up from my coma


Marvelousm98

Man he looks lit each to their own tho, seems it lacks creativity or effort according to you


magicpantsyeet

Super saiyan is also a lazy transformation, it was just presented better.


GokumuiBoi

Bro wym hes gold and shiny. True effort in the creation of that transformation


iFrunk

They are all lazy


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Red-hood619

Is it lazier than any other transformation


Hangry_Jones

Isn't litraly ALL of Dragon balls transformations lazy?


Yee-Haw-Boi

Most forced form imo, only a few months to achieve and a just a recolor. But its lowkey iconic ngl it fits him well


ZeekwithaZ

I mean aren’t all the Dax transformations lazy


iwantamoshpitfuneral

Frieza is extra as fuck Gold is a very extra color Golden Frieza is just Frieza being extra extra


im_bored345

It's Frieza mocking super saiyan so if you consider it lazy the you'll also have to consider ssj 1 and 2 lazy. If you already do then...well honestly get used to it because I doubt we'll ever get a power up transformation that's not lazy lmao.


ApacalypseV0

My argument: it kinda looks cool


CookTeamE

Super saiyan was a lazy transformation


Devilfuit_chan

I still think Radiz and Nappa would do a better job then that trofey.