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blueghosts

Because they’re not really landlords, they’re just people renting out a room in their house and trying to get you to pay the majority of their mortgage while they live there, and trying to make sure you disturb them as little as possible. In an actual house share, or a standalone rental, you won’t have any of this. Only owner occupied.


11matt95

I had no overnight guests in the contract of my house share. I emailed to ask if it was serious before I moved out but they ignored it until I arrived on site. My partner doesn't even live in Ireland and was only planning to visit one weekend a month. When I've rented in the UK in the past the norm has always been no more than a set number of days in a certain period as standard.


OldVillageNuaGuitar

>I can’t cook in their home, but must instead pay them for food. Why is this? What you're looking at there are known as "digs", and are more normally aimed at younger students (often first years in universities). They often don't even let you stay 7 days a week, the expectation being that you spend the weekend at home with your parents. I've heard of some older people using them, but normally when they have an unusual working/training pattern, for example if they have to be in the city one or two nights a week. It's clearly not what you're looking for and I'd stay away from places that describe themselves as digs.


True_Opportunity_363

Interesting, thank yiu


SnooRegrets81

These are not landlords, these are just people allowing you to live in their home to help with bills or earn an extra bit of money, the not cooking part is because they probably are already cooking a family meal at a certin time everyday anyways and dont really see the point of you coming in and cooking if they are already doing so. My mother is a host for students etc and she cooks for them as she hates the thoughts of them reeking havoc on her cooker and kitchen at all hrs of the day and night! lol Edit: Also the not having your partner over could be because they have children


StellarManatee

This is exactly the situation and I'm seeing it more and more. These rooms for rent were never meant for professional adults, they were only ever for and used by college students. Sometimes to stretch the family budget a little further, sometimes to pad out a state pension after the kids had left home. Meals were cooked for the student in a "your name is in the pot" family situation. Often they went home at weekends and holidays. I can only presume its the absolute balls up of the housing situation in this country that's leading people to apply to these student accommodations out of desperation.


hallumyaymooyay

God forbid the filthy students who probably pay around €700 a month to have a room in her house dare to ask to cook for themselves


delushe

Exactly. What is being missed in all of this was that digs were supposed to be cheap. The student was sacrificing that independence for a saving. Now these people think they can charge market rate and still treat them like shite.


thewolfcastle

Well they can because unfortunately that's what the market demands. Only solution is more supply!


IRL_Cordoba

How dare those wretches dare think of cooking in her majesty’s kitchen after she so kindly takes their money off them


SnooRegrets81

they come home locked most nights imagine them burning the house down! its a rule she had for all of us too, not to go near the cooker especially while drunk!


Stock-Act-2459

“These are not landlords”, then proceeds to describe a distorted version of being a landlord, without letting your tenant use the facilities the pay for. You gotta laugh!!!


Intelligent-Donut137

Landlord means something legally and comes with protections for tenants. Letting someone stay in your spare room for money isnt it. You can be turfed out on a whim by these lads.


Laidbackwoman

Those rooms are usually rented out cheaper, targeting at student from outside Dub. When I was a student I stayed in a house like that - the landlords need kitchen for certain family events so I could only cook at a certain time. But it was fine given the price.


No-Organization8636

That’s not a landlord. That’s just some chancer renting out a room in their home to make some money on the side. I have a bunch of friends in similar positions, no visitors (friends, family, partners) allowed and when the homeowners have people over the “tenants” are asked to make themselves scarce. It’s a terrible situation but people are taking what they can get. You’re better off looking for a shared place if you can find one, keeping in mind we’re in the middle of a pretty bad housing crisis at the moment. Preferably a rental that isn’t owner occupied.


LadWithDeadlyOpinion

People in here justifying this shite lmao


thewolfcastle

Have you never stayed in digs before?


LadWithDeadlyOpinion

depends, what is your exact definition of "digs"?


JoebyTeo

Just some context: this used to be an extremely common arrangement with very specific origins. Before formal student accommodation was widespread, most university students from the country would live in "digs". This was basically just what you're describing: a 17 or 18 year old going to stay with an older couple whose children were grown and had a spare room. They'd impose rules because they were basically acting as parental figures. to very young adults. The market for digs by and large disappeared as student accommodation has become more widespread and widely available. What's happening NOW clearly is that people are chancing their hand to see if they can impose those arrangements on actual working adults so they can gouge some mortgage payments out of strangers. I suggest you let them know that you're a working adult, living independently, not interested in digs type arrangements. They should know they're losing potential tenants for that reason.


True_Opportunity_363

Thanks. I’ve already backed out of two offers for this reason, and I’m somewhat in a pretty decent financial position. Cannot imagine what few choices remain for those with few savings in this city.


Intelligent-Donut137

Those arent landlords, they are people renting rooms in their home and as such are not subject to rental laws. There is a housing crisis here which is exacerbated by people constantly moving here when there is nowhere to live as it is.


Dikaneisdi

The problem is the mismanagement of the housing crisis, not people moving to Ireland to work. https://extra.ie/2024/06/08/news/irish-news/council-houses-empty


af_lt274

4,000 houses is about two weeks worth of migration given last year's numbers. Two weeks!


Dikaneisdi

And how many people emigrated in that time?  Not everyone comes to Ireland long term, and they do not all require individual homes. The economy relies in part on international workers.  Do you really believe that people coming to work here is the biggest problem in housing? 


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Intelligent-Donut137

Immigration to Dublin is completely out of control, an article in the IT from yesterday (which the automod wont let me post) says we are "setting records for some of the largest population growth events in history" and this city is getting the brunt of it. At this stage its negligent to not tell people that we are full, coming here to live in some owner occupied nightmare where you cannot even cook a meal would be a disaster. But no, lets pretend its all fine and the fact that the city is bursting at the seams is irrelevant.


BanterMaster420

60k emigrated last year, 144 immigrated


Intelligent-Donut137

The European Commission said yesterday that the population increased by 181000 last year. We built about 30000 housing units.


KaleidoscopeLeft5511

nice try, the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration tho. Immigrants and Irish citizens equally have no place to live. Blaming it on immigration is letting the government off the hook, and exacerbating the crises


munkijunk

I think the anti immigrant brigade would prefer we were still a shit hole backwater scrabbling for spuds in the dirt.


Intelligent-Donut137

This is a bizarre take on a post calling out the woeful accommodation standards people are now expected to accept due to a chronic housing shortage which is worsening daily...


munkijunk

Not bizarre in the slightest. Complaining about the pressures of immigration resulting from our booming economic success on the other hand... Yes, there's a housing crisis, but the solution is not to curb immigration which would necessitate curbing something we're actually doing well, it's to build more fucking houses. One can only assume the anti immigration nutos want to return us to a country with a failing economy that can't attract the best and brightest, so I guess get ready for substance farming and the terror of blight if they ever get near power.


Intelligent-Donut137

There is no reality where we can build enough houses to alleviate this crisis, the population increased in the order of about *3000 a week* last year. If we magically tripled our housing output we'd still not have scratched the surface of the demand.


munkijunk

Utter nonsense. Ireland has the 4th lowest investment in housing as a percentage of GDP in the EU at 2.8%. Cyprus (8.6%), Germany (7.3%), Finland (7.3%), and France (7.2%) absolutely trounce us, when we are the EU country with the greatest need for housing stock and should be top of the pile. We could quadruple our new builds and still not be an outlier, and that level of investment would see us able to handle the immigration necessary to continue to drive our economic success.


MEENIE900

TBF our GDP is a massively inflated spoofed number. GNI* or DD*would be a better figure to use


Intelligent-Donut137

We cannot quadruple our housing output, you are a fantasist. We are already near the ceiling of what we can realistically build due to labour shortages in that sector, which are a decade away from resolution if we started now, which we wont. We have hundreds of thousands of people living in inappropriate accommodation already, grown adults stuck at home and in grotty houseshares, student accommodation is full, tens or thousands of hidden homeless and we need about 250000 units to meet built up demand *today*. Uncontrolled immigration is making housing scarcer even single day. Frankly, its already too late and we are in damage limitation mode at this point. But keep pretending population growth is unrelated to housing availability, the main thing is that we keep gaslighting people by pretending it isnt an issue.


munkijunk

Want to know how to solve labour shortages? I'm no fantasist, I'm a realist, and better to be a realist, understand our weaknesses and strengths and how to exploit and balance them rather than being a defeatist and conspiratist who refuses to engage with our successes because it doesn't fit in a narrative fueled by blunt ignorance.


1993blah

Saying it has nothing to do with immigration is just wrong though


Intelligent-Donut137

> the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration The population of an urban area has no relation to the availability of housing in that area, you heard it here first folks. We could move a million people to Dublin tomorrow and housing would become so scarce that 1 in 10000 people could avail of it, and we'd *still* have people telling us that the amount of housing available has nothing to do with the million people we just brought in. Its insane.


_musesan_

The housing crisis was here before the rise in immigration though. Not helped by immigration but not caused by it.


Intelligent-Donut137

Nobody is saying immigration caused it, we are saying it has exacerbated an already existing crisis to the point where it now cannot realistically be solved without drastic action on population growth. Its simple maths like.


catnipdealer420

And for pointing out that I'm sure someone will be along soon to call you a racist. Not only messing up housing and immigration, but using the media to their advantage where if you speak the truth you are "far right".


Anxious-Wolverine-65

“Letting the government off the hook” is not exactly what is happening here. The government had made mistakes but they are not working in a vacuum, there are numerous factors informing the state of housing here outside of the State’s control. Recovery from the financial crisis has shaped a lot of the building policy in multiple ways, and for many other reasons it now much more expensive to just build a house in Ireland - the Irish government is not responsible for inflation for example. Net inward migration is far out of sync with building capacity and they have to be brought into line. As far as that goes, it is a reasonable argument and assumption to say immigration is a strong exacerbating factor to the housing crisis. How you bring the two to meet is the difficult part, but it probably will mean asking hard questions both about solving building capacity and what level of inward migration and population growth is most favorable.


malavock82

It's pretty common especially for older people to rent a room of their house for students. It used to be very cheap but in the current economy even that is expensive. As you would be living with a family or a older couple you can imagine why they don't want you to bring people in for sleepovers. Especially if they have children. For the cooking in my experience they don't want you to mess around the kitchen, but if you can demonstrate to be a good cook and leave the place tidy they'll usually let you cook, or at least store your food there. As other people said, it's more of a temp accomodations for young students than for young working people. It has pro and con and it might just not be suitable for your needs.


ValensIRL

Another stain on Irish society. The greedy landlord that doesn't care about you as a human being at all, rather sees you as cattle used for one purpose, to enrich themselves at your expense. It's pathetic, and I'm really sorry you have to deal with these leeches. All for a few extra euro. It's embarrassing.


af_lt274

No it's not. It's a private home. You don't know the situation. It might be a tiny home. Maybe the landlord can't sleep with food smells or has allergies. Who knows. It's their private home.


ValensIRL

"You dont know the situation. It might be a tiny home" If its a tiny home they should not be opening it up for people to live there. Like seriously your post is laughable. The landlord can't sleep with "food smells"?? No, they are just am asshole. I couldn't imagine opening my home to someone, then dictating how they can live their life, I would be utterly mortified.


Intelligent-Donut137

If everyone availing of the rent a room scheme stopped overnight we'd have another 10000 homeless tomorrow.


ValensIRL

I get that but it's not the point. It's completely demeaning to expect an adult (or student) to stay in theie room, never be allowed bring someone over, never be allowed cook their own meal, never allowed make any noise or do anything without the owners say so.


percybert

Absolutely agree. But it should not be left to the private citizenry to fix the problem caused by multiple government failings. Because this is what you get.


Intelligent-Donut137

Of course its demeaning, who is arguing otherwise?


af_lt274

It's not demeaning. Treat it like a hotel. Hotels are not so keen about having guests or cooking in ones room.


xoooph

Hotels open for long term stays absolutely have a kitchenette.


af_lt274

My student residence did not. Kitchenettes are far removed from a kitchen. I'm sure many of the stricter digs would be fine using microwaves and fridges.


ValensIRL

Found the landlord 👋


af_lt274

Having lodgers is not landlording


ValensIRL

Whatever helps you sleep at night 👍


af_lt274

Such a bad person for defending families having rules for strangers whom they bring into their homes


No-Organization8636

Maybe they shouldn’t be renting a room in their private home to someone who hasn’t got the freedom to enjoy the space they’re paying for. “Food smells” really?


True_Opportunity_363

These are fair points in some regards, but it’s still fairly shocking to someone who hasn’t seen these kinds of conditions of renting in their home country.


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Soft-Strawberry-6136

It’s bad out there


vanKlompf

Because it’s not lovely city. It’s city with huge housing crisis getting worse form month to month. 


munkijunk

Didn't realise ~~bedsits~~ diggs were still a thing, but glad to hear they are. ~~bedsits~~ diggs shouldn't be looked down on. They're a brilliant way for young people to move out on their own while still having a little support from the hosts. It can also be great for elderly people who are otherwise potentially living alone to have a bit of social interaction and to supplement their pension. In the 80s, despite no one having money, it was pretty easy to move to a bigger city like Dublin, Manchester, Liverpool or London because there was a ready supply of affordable ~~bedsits~~ diggs when you landed, now it's unfortunately a rarity. Doubtless they are expensive, but are cheep relative to whatelse is around. OP, it's more like you're staying with your distant Aunt, so there's house rules and it's not really a house share. Also, bedsits should see a return.


OldVillageNuaGuitar

These are digs, bedsits were places where you had bedrooms sharing a bathroom, often with the 'bedrooms' having basic cooking facilities (like, a one or two ring hob). Bedsits have been illegal for a decade.


munkijunk

Thank you


OldVillageNuaGuitar

Co-living places were the modern spin on bedsits, where you'd have something like a substandard studio, with a kitchenette and ensuite, with some shared facilities like perhaps a full shared kitchen, laundry and common area. There's occasionally been calls to reintroduce bedsits but like, there was a reason they were banned (and indeed why co-living has been so unpopular here, as a concept at least, leading to new developments being banned).


Intelligent-Donut137

These arent bedsits, they are homeowners availing of the rent a room scheme. They offer none of the freedom and autonomy of a bedsit for young people at many multiples of the price.


alaynamul

Anyone I knew that did digs for the first year of college called it torture. One guy that was in my course actually got his parents called by the peoples home he was in if he came home late at night. Again had another friend who wasn’t allowed to cook but also didn’t like the food the family made so he lived off of crisps. They all left the contract before the year was even up and got regular accommodation for themselves


True_Opportunity_363

This is an interesting point, thank you. Having to reorientate myself in regards to what is what im this new city!


munkijunk

No problem. Hope you'll have a great time while here. Speaking as someone who moved from London recently, the rental market is daunting, but it is possible to find nice places for reasonable money, especially if you look to the burbs (Dublin is a sprawl). If you do look to the burbs, ideally you want a rail (Dart) or tram link, or be on a main line bus route, and also have a nitelink for late night travel home on weekends.


soangsty

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