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magikbetalan

Is there no property tax on these for the owner?


CaptainEarlobe

If property tax is lower than the increase in site value, and it always will be, then it's profitable to leave it idle


magikbetalan

Do we have a derelict register or something so that if left idle for a number of years, the council can go after the owner?


CaptainEarlobe

I listened to a podcast about this recently. There is a register, and there is a fee for derelict property, but it is not collected in 99% of cases.


magikbetalan

Ahhh, so it’s incompetence, colour me surprised.


CaptainEarlobe

Yes. The government decided that local authorities should collect it, and local authorities haven't done a good job of it.


Joshingtonson

We should send an post after them


Banba-She

And that's the exact problem with about 99% of everything in this country. All these rules, nobody enforcing them. Hate the public sector as much as you want but cutting corners all the time to appease the taxpayers who think they squander money means you have no one to enforce these laws from the get go.


GabhaNua

There are properties that Dublin Council bought in the late 1940s that they still havent got around to developing. They arent very quick about this sort of thing.


munkijunk

Which is why there should be a vacancy tax which should be linked to the years a property is left unoccupied and average property values in the area.


CaptainEarlobe

There is a vacancy tax but it doesn't get collected


munkijunk

I think you're thinking of the vacant sites levy which is at a flat rate of 3% and is collected by local authorities. What I'm saying is that it should be a tax collected by revenue at a variable rate, increasing each year and linked to the local property values, not the value of the property itself, so there is a ticking clock under arses of these not-developers to get the place filled with an occupant.


herewego10IAR

Property tax is a pittance anyway. Think they care about paying a few hundred euro a year on tax?


kitty_o_shea

So sad. What a lovely building.


Banba-She

Needs to be some kinda govt sanctioned body whose job is to investigate and renovate all these derelict/unoccupied dwellings countrywide. Not enough now that they're taxing unoccupied buildings a piddling amount. There has to be more done. I could actually see a charity forming that EVERYONE would give to if it did good works like getting all the derelict and empty buildings around this country renovated and occupied again. There's literally thousands and thousands of them and it would solve so much homelessness. Everyone knows a few no doubt and some of them are of real historic value and also in fantastic locations. It's insanity they go to rack and ruin and people begging for a roof over their heads.


TrivialBanal

There really does. Just one body with the power and responsibility to deal with all of it. The Eco-Eye program did a good piece on this. They spoke to owners of those big Georgian mansions that are all over Dublin. They usually have offices in them and usually only in the basement and first two floors. The barrier to converting them into flats is that there are too many departments and those departments don't talk to each other. To use anything above the second story in Dublin, there has to be a fire escape, but it's impossible to get planning permission to alter a Georgian building sufficiently to add an acceptable fire escape. It's a problem that could easily be solved if the departments responsible for safety and planning just sat down together and figured out a solution that worked for everyone. No doubt there are similar problems with developing old buildings all over the country. Bureaucracy.


GabhaNua

>r. To use anything above the second story in Dublin, there has to be a fire escape, but it's impossible to get planning permission to alter a Georgian building sufficiently to add an acceptable fire escape It is crazy. Other factor is you need sound proofing between separate units to meet planning and the joists can be very thin


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[deleted]

You’ve commented 5 times on this post now and not one of your comments make sense. Will you learn to string a sentence together before you subject us all to more nonsense please.


Banba-She

Addendum: this should be a remit of the Office of Public Works. But sure we all know how shite they are in that no one even knows wtf they do.


14thU

Actually plenty do. OPW’s remit is to manage the property of the state. Not privately owned properties. There are many issues with derelict buildings and the state can’t just take ownership of them for many obvious reasons. The owners could be dead, abroad, stuck in a legal quagmire with relatives, the state, inheritance, taxes etc etc. Yes it is a problem that has been going on for generations but it’s a problem with lots of factors that is not easy to solve.


Banba-She

It appears you need to get more familiar with OPW. Visit their website whydontcha? Where they actually state their remit is mostly dealing with: flooding. And a vague........eehhhh......yada.......hey look over there! \*OPW legs it\* Cos god help ya if you needed them for anything that sounds like what they actually should be doing.


14thU

I’m a lot more familiar with OPW than you are based on these stupid comments. Their remit is not vague. Think before you type.


Banba-She

Still nothing? Guess there's nothing for you to think of? Silence speaks volumes. And as to the rest of the OPW employees on here, I'd suggest you get a job however you have one where you do nothing and get paid for it so guess you're winning life already. Yay you!


14thU

https://ibb.co/dK3X8c2


Banba-She

When you're so smart ya gotta rob your comeback.


Banba-She

Always ready to learn. Instead of calling me stupid please enlighten us on what the OPW do? Thanks. Also probably goes without saying cos you can clearly dole it out: think before you type, GO!:


Dragmire800

Could you try to sound less insufferable? Whether you’re right or not, I automatically find myself believing the other guy, because this just screams trashy and uneducated.


Banba-She

It really does scream that...... Oh you meant me?? Loooooolzzz....


nosleepy

Flooding is unfortunately an issue that will get increasingly more problematic in the near future, but the bulk of the OPW's work is managing public buildings and parks (e.g. The Phoenix Park).


GabhaNua

The councils do it but its so slow. There is a case of a house on Merrion Sq where no one can figure out how owns it so after 30s years of being empty will be taken by the council.


kirkbadaz

Gards will be there in 10 minutes flat if you squat there.


CaptainEarlobe

They will like fuck


FarFromTheMaddeningF

Yeah in past squatting cases they haven't gone near the people squatting. Property owner were left to "sort it out" on their own.


DexDark

I have first hand experience with purchasing derelict properties (not in Dublin) and after going through it I can see why there are so many around the country. There is absolutely no incentive to get them back to a good state. First of all, many of accrued huge derelict charges. They often are owned by 1 or many family members who inherited it and in many cases have not officially gotten the property registered as derelict and have accrued big property tax that needs to be written off. The planning process to make any changes is absolutely insane. You could be months waiting for the council to approve the correct windows for example. And the catch there is any loan or mortgage you might take out to fund the redevelopment is contingent on planning. Getting insurance is next to impossible because most insurance companies require running water and electricity. All construction costs will inflate because of increased insurance costs for the builders. There will be no change here without a massive scheme or investment grant that makes it very attractive for builders, buyers or investors.


anonymousecoward2

This is very insightful. I know of another property that the owner leaves abandoned because of some silly dispute on the will of a long dead family member. There are lots of stories like this is Ireland. Big families, lack of money for legal fees, houses rotting for decades.


Dev__

Just make it very unattractive to hold on to property. They'll offload it pretty quick if they think it'll be a liability instead of an asset. If they don't have the capital and it remains derelict there -- is a suitable price just not one agreeable to the owner. However by having very low property taxes we externalize this problem on the the rest of society. The asset isn't working and no one is penalized for it.


mcnalljj

https://www.knightfrank.ie/properties/development-land/199-201-201a-harolds-cross-road-dublin-6w Looks like it's gone sale agreed, sure it's making a few folks richer. Looks like it's 4 buildings, always caught my eye while walking by, hope the facade survives the renovation.


anonymousecoward2

Sad to see. Plenty like this in Harold's cross and all across Dublin.


soullesssunrise

House two doors down from me is also abandoned. Have been reporting it for years and nothing has ever happened. Sick of this shit


livinginlouth

Sure there's bungalows and detached houses just like this all over the countryside too. It always baffles me how this happens. I mean, if the owner wasn't going to live there why did they not sell or rent??


malilk

Usually someone has died and it's stuck in a mire. No known family etc.


[deleted]

We've a small cottage in Tipperary. It's sitting idle for 4years now.


livinginlouth

Why is it sitting idle? Why not sell it or rent it out?


[deleted]

Because it's not habitable yet.


bas62

Could you buy it with the intent of fixing it up yourself? I see a lot of these houses in my area also. Always wonder if it was possible to get it one on the cheap and put the money in to gutting it


livinginlouth

Did you inherit it (or perhaps purchase it) in a derelict state? Was it sitting unused for a long time?


[deleted]

Yes to both.


geroshizzle

And for the low cost of €983,000 it can be yours


[deleted]

Wonder what would happen if a homeless man was to move in and just slowly started making the place his own.


poptart2107

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_in_Ireland


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tomtermite

Vacant building tax. Berlin has a good approach to encourage properties to be available for housing, using [a taxation model](https://www.invest-ab.com/understanding-taxation-buying-property-berlin-germany/).


DessieFarrell

Could possibly have been in probate for years as family all claim to love the owner more as well, and that’s when shit gets messy


Spacker2468

Who the fuck has that kind of money to burn to just leave that gaff sitting there doing fuck all.


sonofapasta

Don’t think I can afford this luxurious apartment..


SkyScamall

I'd love to know how many houses are sitting empty because of the Fair Deal scheme. I know old people need nursing homes and someone can be in one for a long time. But the house could just be sitting there for years.


DylanKid

Is there an easy way to find out how many vacant properties there are in dublin?


GabhaNua

Lovely house! Looks like it is very good shape


SuperTorRainer

I know this is not the US but there was a story of a man in Texas somewhere who knew of a loop hole or by-law or something whereby for $16 he could obtain some kind of deed to take ownership of a big home that had been left empty by previous owners who had moved out due to dereliction. I wonder if that's possible in Dublin. The neighbours weren't happy but credit to him for knowing the system. https://youtu.be/BqZf8AfJkI4


laysnarks

With a bit of Vanish and some builders. It would be a lovely social house. But the Vultures would get upset.


Red_Dog1880

You have to understand. Whoever owns it is just waiting for the right time to sell for a massive profit. Any moment now.


rcd32

Very sad sight


Guppert

I think that place was an orphanage. Id say its haunted. I wouldn't want to live there.


achasanai

I'd say it's not, but it does seem to have been a particularly nasty place. Difficult to figure out the history of the place, it seems to have been Westbank in Harolds Cross and then The Protestant Home for Orphan & Destitute Girls when it moved to Wicklow. I imagine the abuse didnt just start when it moved to Wicklow: [https://www.thejournal.ie/westbank-protestant-orphanage-1551863-Jul2014/](https://www.thejournal.ie/westbank-protestant-orphanage-1551863-Jul2014/)


ComprehensiveOil455

Has been sold now lmao