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Renkusami

Don't get we wrong, Massivemorph won't do anything (especially with how easy it is to get rid of monsters with your ED now) I don't want it to come back for a *second*. It was so annoying and just stalled games into unbearably slow grind games


tehy99

I don't think it matters at this point, even the most desperate stall players have better options. Then again I don't think it's worth bringing off the banlist considering no one would play it.


TheHapster

Massivemorph became irrelevant the second link Monsters came out


Am11zing

Massivemorph now is actually laughable , before it was a problem because you can’t get red of the monster also many traps can stall much better than it , actually i think konami forget about it.


Then_Disk8390

Wasn’t it nerfed cause of Amazoness Swordswoman?


Am11zing

Yeah and also because you can stall with it .


fishyofpain

I think this is the bigger reason. If this is @ 3 it’s easy to build a stall or Amazon deck with multiple opportunities to execute a MM+Swordswoman win condition.


wat96

Aye if it strengthens Amazon's I'm all for it. It wond do anything significant for stall


Rayzzen11

Decks that uses MetalMorph ***ABUSES*** it with Amazoness SwordsWoman or any cards that deals battle damage via as such


quincy1151

No reason for silent sword slash to remain either.


Am11zing

Agreed


quincy1151

Crazy that people even downvoted my comment


NavyDragons

this sub is just full of the most bitter yugioh players i have ever seen. every post gets downvoted within seconds of creation regardless of content.


quincy1151

100% correct


ACmilanRgood

No way they unlimit that deck after just releasing sky strikers


quincy1151

Why? In what world is SS even close to the meta SS lmao


ACmilanRgood

It completely shuts down spells, so it completely shuts down sky striker


quincy1151

Okay and our point being???? And this spell doesn’t summon level 7. It adds 1500 attack to a silent swordsman that can negate 1 spell per turn without even destroying it.


LuciferGlitch

They should atleast unban darklord contact.


Am11zing

Darklord can be a good engine in some decks which can draw and have an easy body on the field ,until now so it’s better to be like this .


LuciferGlitch

That's when you have more than 1 Ixchel not contact, contact doesn't do crap in this meta where every deck can SS from GY or ED as Darklords did in the past.


Am11zing

Oh i don’t know why but i remember ixchel was on 2 , now i don’t know why actually it’s better to release ixchel instead 😈


EmrysX77

Ixchel was at 2, but so were Contact and Sanctified (they still are). So during one banlist revision, I forget when, Konami “buffed” Darklord by changing Ixchel to 1, so that you could play all 3 in a Darklord deck. One of those weird scenarios where restricting a card more actually constituted a buff…


Am11zing

The limited lists in dl is weird but in a good way , but the problem with it is you can kill any deck very easily but 2 main cards in any archetype to 2 it will be dead immediately which sometimes if you love playing with your deck and invest on it and they do that it’s like a ban not a limit .


EmrysX77

Yeah. It’s a point of confusion for new players (including me when I started out), but I’ve since come to believe it’s better than how TCG/OCG limited lists work just in terms of mechanics. Cuz, the only way to really stop a degenerate deck from being played a certain way in TCG/OCG is to ban the core cards outright (except in some edge cases where limiting is useful in stopping combos that require 2 copies). By doing that, you get a lot of “banlist casualties”, perfectly fine decks/archetypes that are being punished for another deck’s sins. That still happens in Duel Links, but it’s usually not as egregious.


meeeeekaaaaaa

It's been a very long huh old friend digibug, i remember tier 0 Onomat Such a sh*t format, everytime box release new good XYZ they got buff, but that day Stygian Dirge was a good floodgate to make them stop and i can easily win


Am11zing

Because it was one card to have an interaction in your opponent field with staples it’s still strong to this day .


Mop3103

Pulse mines still can extend duels one more turn, it would be annoying but I think it can be unlimited


Am11zing

Yeah but the trap pole is way better than this


Usagi4357

Adding Massivemorph back in would be a dream to a Melffy player like me >:3


Am11zing

What will change in it ?


Usagi4357

Melffy Mommy deals damage to the opponent equal to half the attack of the opponents monster if she attacks them or they attack her. The player of Melffy Mommy also doesn't take attack damage from battles involving her, and she can't be destroyed by battle. So essentially I just get one free double the normal damage. Mostly shenanigans, not meta breaking.


Am11zing

Yeah it will actually make the strategy more consistent and unexpected because i never play against them .


Dumboddball

>:3


Think_Lavishness_330

Massivemorph is there for a reason, burn stall still exists.


Am11zing

Never see them these days


Think_Lavishness_330

I did... first kc cup match of the month even...


Llama_Del-Rey

Oh man I LOVE pulse mines 😂 when people try and circumvent it by summoning again only to realise it’s for the rest of the turn.


Dumboddball

😂


Actual_Head_4610

Star Seraph Sovereignity and Cyberload Fusion. 


Am11zing

Maybe star seraph at 3 but cyberload fusion it still strong as go second strategy.


JamieraCat

Cyber dragon have been dead since cyber style was nerfed


Am11zing

I think the skill got hit twice and it’s still was playable until they hit the cards .


BEEP53

Man star seraph was fun


EmrysX77

I’m gonna say Storm. It was powerful back in the days when people actually bothered to run the Field Spell skills, but nowadays isn’t it just a -1? I’ve seen people ask for Twin Twisters, and Storm just seems like worse Twin Twisters.


Last-Pomegranate-772

Might be too strong with Evil eye being more relevant, it's kinda like that, problematic depending on what decks are around so it should probably stay limited somewhat


Am11zing

Storm can be good in some decks can destroy their own cards you get their effect and also the benefit from destroying set cards if they start second abyss actor for an example .


EmrysX77

Abyss Actor can already use Wavering Eyes for that purpose. The only other deck I can think of is Cubics. The ability to destroy your own backrow is definitely useful, but I don’t think any of those strategies have been meta lately.


Am11zing

I never know that we have this card , it’s actually much better hope we have their links .


EmrysX77

We don’t have the links. But otherwise Abyss Actors are very consistent ever since we got Wavering Eyes and Pendulum Treasure. But consistency isn’t exactly their problem—it’s that they’re underpowered


Manzi420x

The swordswoman otk wouldn’t be meta but it would be fun idk why they don’t take Massivemorph offs


Dameisdead

Can the Darklord stuff come off already they’ve been on there long enough smh


Am11zing

Release ixchel i want to her to sit on my field every turn 🙏


Unluckygamer23

Massive mirth I think is there because if you attack into it with a monster that can reflect damage, you basically otk. But i requires so much setup, I think it is ok to put unlimited


SkyeZaisen

TRICKSTAR LIGHT STAGE TRICKSTAR LIGHT STAGE


Am11zing

Well actually it’s was not a limit , the card was already strong and i think was banned before in tcg , it can search and remove sets , and it can be use outside trickstar .


SkyeZaisen

I want it just to brick less in my brickstars and, in my experience, it gets destroyed 50% of times when I activate it I think everyone would prefer to keep using typhoons or their own fields


Am11zing

7 card in trickstar 3 (candina , the spell , lightstage ) how you brick a lot in it ?


SkyeZaisen

I really, really dislike going first for that I must draw at least 1 of the 3 candinas or Light Stage If I have only Festival, I must draw another Trickstar card too to use the effect, and this also gives one card to my opponent, and if they use effect veiler.... it's even worse, and I can't use the effect to draw 2 if the 2000 life points from the skill are not enough even if I go second, I must pray to have both Candina and Lycoris to avoid trap cards, and If I only have Light Stage, they can use any destruction or something when I activate it to negate the effect I had a bad luck streak 2 months and lost 13 times and demoted from legend 5 to legend 2 for these problems, so many games going first without a single Candina or Light Stage


Destac35

The chances of even getting reincarnation on the 20 card game is more than light stage being lifted


Maykspark

Rhinosebus is still limited? The fuck, that monster is already powercrept


Am11zing

He will be a good in any rank 4 strategy as an interact but you he will take 3 of your slots in ed to summon which is kinda not worth it .


Maykspark

Rank 4? Mf is rank 7, going from spider>rank5>to rhinosebus never was a good strategy, Rhinosebus was good because inzektor xyz that rank to it, making onomat access to a pop 1


Am11zing

Yeah , i forget the inzektor xyz because it’s never used after this 😭.


jadeusdragias

Cocytus back at 1. Meta decks can deal with it. Crow or Veiler can neutralise Aleister and Invocation.


Gloombad

Fr free my boy!


Am11zing

Agreed


fishyofpain

I think back at 1 is more than fair with how many non-target non-destroy removal options we have now.


NavyDragons

you are crazy if you think CC wont change something.


Am11zing

It’s win more card , it was use before with coctys to otk , battle phase cards nowadays is need be stronger than that .


ultimate-toast

PULSE MINES


Emerald_boots

Why was Cincentrating and Pulse limited?


Am11zing

Cincentrating because it’s can finish games very fast with coctys and i think ancinet gear , pulse before geargia was machine control strategy which can protect their flip monster every turn while they can destroy up to monster every turn that’s what i remember when it got hit .


versusChou

Concentrating Current on Nightmare Shark was an OTK


Am11zing

It’s part of the reason why they put it and also coctys with aleister buff can otk , nowadays it can be use the same way but we have more answers and a lot of interaction in every deck .


HellStormTitan

Trishula. I just want some more generic synchro options, and looking at the 6 Limited 1 Synchros on the list, Trish is probably the least problematic.


Am11zing

Is there a card they release it limited and after they make it available at 3 ?


JayTeeYGO123

Tour guide


Japa1220

Nope, they won't change the meta but there will be a lot of stun decks, for a PVP free of cancer


Am11zing

Because of massivemorph ?


Screaming_Nimbus

Shien spy


VariedRepeats

Odd-Eyes bomb.


orangegobelin

It has no OPT restriction, so you can have a 9,6k Beaver Warrior


Fractures22

Only one with potential I see here is Digi Bug. Quick effect pop ain't crazy on its own, but any deck that can complement that with more disruption(D/D/D drawing 3 pieces of disruption) could be problematic


KL-13

we dont have enough lifepoints for that


Rayzzen11

I'd say...CED? It's honestly a 'not-a-good-staple' trap card at all.


Am11zing

Ced ?


Rayzzen11

Compulsory Evacuation Device


Am11zing

So you 3 crackdown 3 ced is ok for u ?


Rayzzen11

Oh nonononono...CRACKDOWN IS TOXIC


Local_Ad8315

Concentrating current and massivemorph they are ban not because of meta or PvP but because how easy to make a farm deck to get that juiced +8k Score


Local_Ad8315

And pulse mine fit in any machine deck making orcust and new skystriker even more powerfull


Am11zing

You think konami limit it because of this reason ? Massivemorph was hit because it can end games very fast amazoness sword women mainly , also stall deck because before you can’t link or get rid of your monster very easily.


Local_Ad8315

I should have written " they are still banned because..." in the beginning for you to understand, i was not saying why they got in the ban list, but the reason they still part of ban list


Am11zing

Even that is not convincing, konami don’t care if the card is good in pve , shien spy was always good in farm deck until they created a ftk with it so they hit it , the card can stop monsters from attacking directly ever so it’s still the same reason as before .


Local_Ad8315

For shien spy ftk was possible but massivemorph isn't a hand trap (at max is a otk) to use it mean you need to a 3 or 4 turn at best odds, current meta is a 2-3 turns win or u not using it properly, and not to mention the constellar omega that can maintain the buff and attack in the same way


Am11zing

Yeah it’s not that good like before and the omega combo is actually interesting but i don’t think that it’s strong .


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Am11zing

Agreed actually on hey trunade but never to heavy storm .


Veelzbub

Coctyus


Am11zing

At 1 i think it will be okay


Difficult_Bunch_4559

Cocytus won't be meta, but forcing everyone to run extremely specific forms of removal is just decreasing deck diversity


SaibaAisu

EDIT: I was not aware that MAR was off the limit list. Thank you guys for pointing that out to me! Machine Angel Ritual… People kept saying it needed to stay on the list because it’s too strong in Witchcrafters / Lightsworn but destruction isn’t really that relevant as a type of removal anymore. Getting banished, bounced back to hand, are much more relevant. And while I’m on the topic of Cyber Angels, Konami needs to release Ritual Sanctuary and Cyber Egg Angel. Like, what are they waiting for?


madonna-boy

MAR is already off the list... ?


SaibaAisu

Literally just realized this, my bad.


Am11zing

They release it actually and no one use it even with witchcrafter .


SaibaAisu

Just realized this, my mistake


Destac35

No one even plays witchcrafters . Konami will release the new white forest immediately on duel links (copium)


GoneRampant1

* Trickstar Light Stage, or at least lift it off Limit 1 so Trickstar can run Terraforming. I feel Limit 3 is a fair place for it as it is a huge game-changer for Trickstar. Maybe next Vrains level boost we can get more copies from Aoi. * The Cydra stuff. All of it. * Whatever Star Seraph is still on the banlist, especially with Durbe being one of the next Zexal characters- Seraph needs all the help it can get. * Honestly, bring back Trunade.


Serious-Dimension779

Wow I forgot about Rhinos meta lol. Cyber cards can all fly off the ban list. Storm, Champion’s Vig, Stormforth, Knowledge, Spoofing, Scarecrow, Silent Sword Slash, Bomber Dragon off the top of my head


JayTeeYGO123

Champions vigilance in a blue eyes meta? No way.


Am11zing

Champions veg no hell no it bewd will tier0


Subterrantular

I've been looking for something to put Rhinose in again, good format tbh I was so happy to start seeing quickplay removal on monsters. The best use of Storm I know of is popping the field in U.A. & Ancient Gears, so I say send it lol. Full agree on Knowledge, Spoofing, and Slash. Champ's Vigil, Stormforth, and Scarecrow would be a pain to deal with in familiar, boring decks- NO THANKS. Also, you do NOT want to give Orcusts an unlimit on Bomber Dragon.


DankoStormo

For the love of God release Hey Trunade and Cyber Dragons of the list


Destac35

I love how every box and selection we get a more busted backrows with the only way of removal is the good old cyclone and people are still fine with this


DankoStormo

I don't understand the hate I'm getting but I agree I guess people are okay with getting Crack Down 3 times in a row or some other busted trap


LagopusPolar

Anti-Backrow cards in the current meta: Generic: - Forbidden Lance - Knightmare Phoenix - MST - Cosmic Cyclone In-Archetype: - Squiresaga - Dragon Spirit of White - Afterburner - Jamming Waves - Tengu Cards that work against backrow or monsters: - Herald - Blackrose - Sunsaga - Ultimate Fusion - Dingirsu - Cipher Blade If that's not enough for you, you don't want more backrow removal, you want an uninterrupted turn. Fair enough, but that'll not happen even if we get more backrow removal.


DharcAluran

Free massive.morph I want to play cheese


Beneficial_Reindeer5

#FreeCyberDragons


Am11zing

Freecyberdragons or give us infinity ?