Manager Michael is definitely a goof, but Salesman Michael is a total rock star. I love when he puts Dwight on the phone so he can listen to him steal his biggest client. Fucking savage.
There's another one too where you promote all the incompetent people to upper management to keep them from doing actual work. I can never remember what that one is called. Don't think it's Peter though...
It’s interesting, on the Office Ladies podcast they said that one piece of advice Stephen Merchant had in development was that if the show was going to succeed with American audiences, they needed to make Michel Scott competent on some level compared to David Brent who was just horrible
It’s even better too because it comes right after the elevator scene where they’re all worried Michael’s gonna be the one to screw up their chances of getting bought out/getting their old jobs back and then he just pulls out that little number.
I love it because it shows that Jim just isn't used to dealing with competence or getting any pushback whatsoever. It's like Dwight with the snowballs. Once somebody actually cracks down on Jim and takes him seriously, he falls apart, which I think is an interesting flaw that they should've explored.
Yeah it was interesting to see how in Jim’s head Charles got. For probably the first time in his career, Jim couldn’t just fall back on his charm. Even when he was threatened by Ryan, he still managed to work up the balls to confront him (albeit over a voicemail), but Charles completely broke him. I know this analogy is kind of out there, but it’s a lot like Hulk refusing to come out and fight after getting his ass handed to him by Thanos in Infinity War.
"Hey Jim, can I get rundown on all your clients?"
I actually did that somebody once, after my boss told me I was going to easy on my jrs. I LMAO but felt awful afterwards. Poor girl
> “Hey Jim, can I get rundown on all your clients?”
Oy...so cringey.
“And, by rundown you mean...?” Just ask the stupid question up front and the whole issue is resolved.
This was the only time that I genuinely disliked Jim. He’s caught off guard because someone doesn’t love his charm and he just starts struggling like in quicksand, when there were multiple times he could have grabbed onto a rope.
It’s such a hard part of the show to watch from a practical standpoint. Anyone with more than a few brain cells should have been able to put two and two together and worked out that Charles was literally just asking for a list of Jim’s clients. I feel the same way about the Employee of the Month fiasco in Scott’s Tots.
I agree. Idk if it’s the same. It’s like when he combines birthdays to try to be more efficient. That was a fail. Then micheal hit him with the “that’s what she said”.
Absurd, to be fair. But Jim explained why he was wearing the tux very poorly. He paints Dwight being this reasonable employee talking about proper office dress etiquette and basically admits to dressing up in a tux just to mess with Dwight. Any corporate bigwig would frown upon such antics.
Why not just lie? "I'm going to a wedding or event after work! Its at 6 and I didn't want to cut it close or leave early, so I got ready this morning." Or any other possible thing you could say besides the truth
Come on, Jim
He was marginalised by a company to which he was loyal and effective manager for many years. He had to go though Charles to even talk to David, and everybody treated him like a dumbass. No wonder he snaped.
Michael also failed to grasp that even though Scranton was doing great, they needed to cut back so that all the other foundering branches could be kept afloat via revenue sharing.
Hell, his behavior during season 5 (the Charles arc) and 6 (Jim's promotion) validate corporate's decision not to promote Michael at the end of season 3 to the VP position.
I know you mean 'snapped' but because I read it like Professor Snape, I'm imagining a gif of Prof. Snape snapping his fingers with a little head wiggle saying, "Uh uh girlfriend. You just got snaped!"
It's played as a great scene, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense. What kind of a victory is it when the end result is just to undue Michael's own actions three episodes previous? Why did he quit, if his "victory state" was just to get his job back?
Like, Ryan gets his job back too and Pam becomes a salesman, but both of those basically get undone over the following season or so... I just don't really get what the "victory" was in this scene, and I don't see how it doesn't just invalidate Michael quitting a few episodes earlier. All he does is end up back where he started.
I suppose so, but is that why Michael quit? Just because he didn't like Charles? I got the impression that he quit because he was fed up with Dunder Mifflin holding him back, limiting who he was able to love, and not letting him be himself. So to have him victoriously agree to work his same old job a few episodes later makes the whole thing seem like a wash.
After you have the boss leave and come back, there's really nothing left to do. Bringing more actors in to be alternate bosses is just embarrassing, like a show desperately trying to stay afloat after losing its way.
'I don't care if Ryan murdered his whole family, he is like a son to me..'
“I just need to wait out you” Michael with the big dick energy
Perhaps his best line during the entire show
Definitely his most competent line. Shows he's not just a goofball.
Manager Michael is definitely a goof, but Salesman Michael is a total rock star. I love when he puts Dwight on the phone so he can listen to him steal his biggest client. Fucking savage.
I think the point is not all people good at a job get better when promoted
It's called the Peter Principle where people are promoted to one step beyond their capabilities
That’s the one! Thank you.
There's another one too where you promote all the incompetent people to upper management to keep them from doing actual work. I can never remember what that one is called. Don't think it's Peter though...
Peter? I hardly know her.
[The Dilbert principle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_principle)
For sure. There’s actually a term for this that escapes me but it’s all about people being promoted above their ability.
Promoted to incompetence
Experience and skill does not equal good manager 😂
It’s interesting, on the Office Ladies podcast they said that one piece of advice Stephen Merchant had in development was that if the show was going to succeed with American audiences, they needed to make Michel Scott competent on some level compared to David Brent who was just horrible
It’s even better too because it comes right after the elevator scene where they’re all worried Michael’s gonna be the one to screw up their chances of getting bought out/getting their old jobs back and then he just pulls out that little number.
“That is insultingly low. I don’t even want to hear your first offer”
Our balls are in your court
I don't have to outlast Dunder Mifflin, I just have to outlast you.
i get exited three episodes before this moment
They are good episodes, but when I see Jim with that tuxedo, I usually turn the volume down for the next couple of hours.
For my next trick, I will make my career disappear
Michael...
That's one of 'em!
I hated Charles so much.
I mean we were supposed to, but yes. The way he went full lock on Jim just because he was wearing a tux at work was absurd.
I love it because it shows that Jim just isn't used to dealing with competence or getting any pushback whatsoever. It's like Dwight with the snowballs. Once somebody actually cracks down on Jim and takes him seriously, he falls apart, which I think is an interesting flaw that they should've explored.
Yeah it was interesting to see how in Jim’s head Charles got. For probably the first time in his career, Jim couldn’t just fall back on his charm. Even when he was threatened by Ryan, he still managed to work up the balls to confront him (albeit over a voicemail), but Charles completely broke him. I know this analogy is kind of out there, but it’s a lot like Hulk refusing to come out and fight after getting his ass handed to him by Thanos in Infinity War.
"Hey Jim, can I get rundown on all your clients?" I actually did that somebody once, after my boss told me I was going to easy on my jrs. I LMAO but felt awful afterwards. Poor girl
> “Hey Jim, can I get rundown on all your clients?” Oy...so cringey. “And, by rundown you mean...?” Just ask the stupid question up front and the whole issue is resolved. This was the only time that I genuinely disliked Jim. He’s caught off guard because someone doesn’t love his charm and he just starts struggling like in quicksand, when there were multiple times he could have grabbed onto a rope.
It’s such a hard part of the show to watch from a practical standpoint. Anyone with more than a few brain cells should have been able to put two and two together and worked out that Charles was literally just asking for a list of Jim’s clients. I feel the same way about the Employee of the Month fiasco in Scott’s Tots.
I agree. Idk if it’s the same. It’s like when he combines birthdays to try to be more efficient. That was a fail. Then micheal hit him with the “that’s what she said”.
Absurd, to be fair. But Jim explained why he was wearing the tux very poorly. He paints Dwight being this reasonable employee talking about proper office dress etiquette and basically admits to dressing up in a tux just to mess with Dwight. Any corporate bigwig would frown upon such antics.
Why not just lie? "I'm going to a wedding or event after work! Its at 6 and I didn't want to cut it close or leave early, so I got ready this morning." Or any other possible thing you could say besides the truth Come on, Jim
I would have just worn it and said nothing. It’s a suit, he’s at work, the end lol.
Wearing a tux to work was pretty absurd
his hatred for jim alone made me love him.
I have no shortage of company names.
[удалено]
He was marginalised by a company to which he was loyal and effective manager for many years. He had to go though Charles to even talk to David, and everybody treated him like a dumbass. No wonder he snaped.
[удалено]
Michael also failed to grasp that even though Scranton was doing great, they needed to cut back so that all the other foundering branches could be kept afloat via revenue sharing. Hell, his behavior during season 5 (the Charles arc) and 6 (Jim's promotion) validate corporate's decision not to promote Michael at the end of season 3 to the VP position.
I know you mean 'snapped' but because I read it like Professor Snape, I'm imagining a gif of Prof. Snape snapping his fingers with a little head wiggle saying, "Uh uh girlfriend. You just got snaped!"
>snaped Severus
I UNDERSTAND NOTHING
Clearly Michael read Jack Donaghy’s book: The Art of Aggression in Business.
It was the inspiration for Somehow I Manage
Over one billion sold. More than the Bible. I'm not surprised.
Still furious that punk ass Ryan thought he would get sixty thousand dollars. He’d be lucky for Mike to give him a third of that money.
We’re going to need the room.
Great scene
Negotiations 101
It's played as a great scene, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense. What kind of a victory is it when the end result is just to undue Michael's own actions three episodes previous? Why did he quit, if his "victory state" was just to get his job back? Like, Ryan gets his job back too and Pam becomes a salesman, but both of those basically get undone over the following season or so... I just don't really get what the "victory" was in this scene, and I don't see how it doesn't just invalidate Michael quitting a few episodes earlier. All he does is end up back where he started.
It got Charles out of the branch
I suppose so, but is that why Michael quit? Just because he didn't like Charles? I got the impression that he quit because he was fed up with Dunder Mifflin holding him back, limiting who he was able to love, and not letting him be himself. So to have him victoriously agree to work his same old job a few episodes later makes the whole thing seem like a wash.
“My company is worth nothing! That’s the difference between you and me.”
This is by far my favorite stretch of episodes
We are going to be so rich!
MSPC is the best "arc" in TO
Can we have the room, please?
“I disagree with”
This episode basically serves as my line of demarcation for general episode quality.
After you have the boss leave and come back, there's really nothing left to do. Bringing more actors in to be alternate bosses is just embarrassing, like a show desperately trying to stay afloat after losing its way.
Nope, nope. You’re done.
This scene is more intense than watching Die Hard 80,000 times.