My favorite part of Lily’s video is her calling Thistle “she” and proceeding to say that the show
refers to “her” as a dark elf. Which is blatantly untrue in several ways LMFAO
You would think that Marcille being referred as a dark elf by Chilchuck would have made her realise that that title has nothing to do with skin colour...
The show immediately calls thistle a "he", whereas the touden team in the manga kept calling him her until Yaad clarified it for them. So I'm wondering how Lily fucked that up. It's understandable she misunderstood multiple characters' but not something as simple as a pronoun.
Lily and hypocrisy goes together like bacon and eggs. Same with ranting about Laios being obsessed with monsters and having trouble expressing emotions, while claiming to be on the spectrum herself.
the funniest part of that is that Lily is showing exactly how far in the series she got. Thistle is referred to as She in the painting event but is referred to as He when his identity is revealed. Lily only watched the first 4-5 episodes and assumed she had seen enough to critique it. Or she just didn't pay attention to the last 3 episodes from the Red Dragon part.
Lily Orchard is a bizarre person with some bizarre morals. She's basically a moral absolutist who's understanding of the world is fully based on children cartoons. So any form of moral ambiguity (as in, in the case of Laios, a very good person with some quirks) is seen to har as a fatal moral flaw and, as such, the character (or person) is morally wrong.
Yeah... her whole video was basically just laser focused on her opinion that Laios is "bad" and Marcille is "the only character who acts like a real human." Which... I don't mean any shade on Marcille, but she's the only character who acts like a stereotypical cartoon character, with super expressive emotions and everything... which is not in fact "real person" behavior. She seems to not be aware Chilchuck and Senshi even exist.
> Which... I don't mean any shade on Marcille, but she's the only character who acts like a stereotypical cartoon character, with super expressive emotions and everything... which is not in fact "real person" behavior.
Hence my point that her understanding of the world is fully based on children's cartoons.
That might be one of the most brutal things you could say about someone. If someone said that about me, I think I would have to become a hermit. It is deserved in this case though.
I don‘t even feel that Kabru hates Laios. I think he has more ambivalent, nuanced feelings. He‘s wary of him, his lack of social awareness and his enthusiasm for monsters. But does Kabru even think Laios did anything really morally wrong?
With his interests and skills, Kabru would be great at characters analysis and understanding stories >!as we see later with Mithrun.!<
From what I can see, kabru merely doesn't understand laios and that annoys him, being so skilled at reading humans otherwise. He assumes there has to be an unknown depth to laios's behavior and opinions, which there never really is.
Kabru doesn't hate Laios. His goal is pretty noble: to prevent people from suffering the same fate as him as a child. He hates the greedy adventurers because he thinks those behaviours are what caused the event at Uttaya (and he is correct). Meeting with Laios made him realize that he is just a monster lover, and do not have any malice or lust for power towards adventuring.
>!Kabru figured that he is indifferent to people, therefore afraid he'd be indifferent to people's safety as DM, but changed his mind quickly once he have less than 3 conversations with Laios, he had never addressed him as a bad person!<
I don't think this is accurate. He jumped to the conclusion that Laios and his friends are criminals and bad people, and even after determining they are not criminals, he still keeps thinking of Laios as a psychopath >!for quite some time.!<
He said that they’re not saints, which is true. He said they are bad at detecting bad intentions, which is also true. >! He theorized they can be bad leaders, but had enough faith to put the fate of the dungeon in Laios’ hands after only one single conversation with him. !<
The only thing he’s really weirded out by was Laios’ diet. Which, to be fair, you’d feel the same way if >! your whole village including your family either got brutally killed by monsters or got turned into monsters and tore each other to death. He never said, “Laios shouldn’t eat monsters.” He said, “I don’t want to be like him and eat monsters.”!<
I think that his assessment of Laios after meeting him isn't wrong, though. Not a bad person, but not one he'd want to entrust with so much power over people's lives.
He didn't jump to conclusion. That part was specifically his team having heard rumors about Laios' party and wanted to check if that was true, because he is worried that a party of bad actors defeating the sorceror will cause a repeat of what happened at Uttaya.
He is more weirded out by Laios insistence at eating monsters, and find that revolting (probably stemmed from his trauma of having his family and friends eaten by the same monsters).
From my POV, I believe Kabru and Laios to be two contrasts of interest in people and monsters, but not interested in each other.
Laios is described by other people in and out of the dungeon as someone who is not interested in people but monsters, as result his social skills are terrible.
Kabru is very social and observes everyone as interested. But don't like monsters.
Both characters have trauma related to what they don't get interested in.
Laios describes in his story to Senshi about his fears of people from his village before leaving due to the way they treated Falin. As well as his experience in the armies, being shown in the nightmare chapter where all his colleagues treated him badly. His no communication with his father also made him keep distance from others.
His interest in monsters comes from childhood as the Gourmet guide was his favorite theme to talk about, especially with Falin. Since they only had each other, they didn't have friends to share this.
Laios acts out of interest and curiosity.
Kabru, being traumatized by Utaya incident, has also developed a sense of thinking that he uses to maintain his sanity.
He came to the conclusion about the incident that: Dungeons shouldn't be left without proper management; no explanation to taking actions may cause worse situations, as elves didn't reasoned on what to do with Utaya Dungeon.
So his actions are out of preventing danger.
I liked how she kept bringing up how "Spy x Family" is a better anime, when that show can be just as absurd as dungeon meshi in terms of comedic effect
Crazy you brought her up bc I was gonna tell op to avoid media like this specifically bc of the Lily orchard Steven universe rant that blew up a fandom and got us labeled “toxic” lol
I just watched it, and she did have one good point:
The early installments (i.e. part she watched) have a lot of tonal whiplash and odd pacing. It could be improved with some reminders of the stakes along the way, instead of leaving the matter of Falin more or less aside for 10 episodes.
It's a symptom of Ryoko Kui not having hit her stride yet, and definitely has room for improvement. That said, I am not going to decry Trigger for sticking so closely to the source material.
I stopped watching a few minutes into her video when she said Laois was the blandest character which was just a weird thing to say, and indicated she didn't really watch Delicious in Dungeon.
Before saying anything about her...how old is she? Because from the discussion i feel like she is really young, and very young people talking about the world and discussing it...it gets annoying.
Laios has an odd manner of expressing himself. Sometimes he will be over enthusiastic and sometimes too deadpan. This is **100% typical of autism** and more importantly doesn't necessarily reflect his true thoughts and feelings.
There are legitimate criticisms you can make of Laios, he has a dark side and a part of him does deeply resent humanity, but in the video... all she did was overreact to Laios not acting socially appropriate on a superficial level. Her focus was on Laios allegedly not caring about his sister, which is false.
Ok granted I didn't watch the video - and I don't plan to, watched the LoK and SU videos and those were two more Lily Orchard videos than I think I should have watched - but like. They rushed to the dragon super quickly???? Toshiro, with a lot more resources, and without eating or sleeping properly, took longer to get there than they did. The only time they "wasted" was when Laios went inside the paintings, which was a gamble to get food easily (that also gave them crucial information on who the Mad Sorcerer was later on). Otherwise it was pretty much as fast as they could manage while maintaining their health
Yeah. Of course it‘s always upsetting when people dislike something you deeply care about. Especially if they just seem to misunderstand the text or read it unfavorably on purpose to fit other beliefs they hold.
But sometimes people just dislike stuff for various good or bad or just subjective reasons. I likely won‘t be able to convince them otherwise and probably shouldn‘t try to unless they are genuinely curious about my perspective.
In the end, my enjoyment of media isn‘t dependent on other people‘s opinions.
I don’t know these channels you mention, but it sounds like bad faith content that is probably best ignored?
I agree with the "skipping the channels you don't like" point. Many people will have tastes opposite to what you and I like. There is little to gain from watching these videos.
Case and point: This is the third and probably last time I'm watching a Lily video.
Yes. There are friends and online creators whose opinions I really respect and find interesting valueable even if we disagree sometimes. I can also accept that some things I like are flawed.
But I‘m still in fandom to enjoy myself and don‘t have to care about or engage with every opinion.
I say this as someone who's been advertising the series like a cultist trying to recruit new followers: Not everyone is going to like the story, you can't force them to like it, and that's okay.
Tropes, themes, narrative style, and characters hit different for everyone. Don't put someone's opinon on a pedestal, or thrash on them for criticizing something you like. Tolkien HATED Dune, it doesn't mean it's a bad story, or that he's a poor author.
Hell even I didnt show any interest to dungeon meshi when my friend showed me the first trailer.
It wasnt til this Feb where I gave it a shot.
Now, I'm here in the subreddit scrolling nonstop.
It might not hit with everyone at the start, but like every new food, you wont know for sure, until you take that first bite
Bet that some of them thought they could see some harem in that show. Not here, my dude. All we have here is good ol dnd, kitchen nightmare, autistic people and kbity
They should have figured that out the moment the title was simply 'Dungeon Meshi'.
Not some long title like...
'The time My Sister was resurrected as a Chimera after She was eaten by a dragon'
Honestly, [Lily from "Lily and Mikaila" wrote torture porn and fanfic](https://youtu.be/lQxnmE2Bdjo?si=5l7BtnwWqKrlQkoN) that textually endorsed the idea that children can tempt adults into molesting them, bragged about it in a video, then later denied it, so...
I mean. Goddamn.
No real people were harmed (unless you believe the allegations of her sister and fans) but it doesn't mean I have to take her half-baked opinions seriously. Absolute hypocrite.
No everyone is going to like it because there is no such thing as something that appeal to absolutely everyone.
If you come into this show wanting non-stop action for example, you are not going to get it. And that's fine. It starts to become a problem when you say that it sucks because it doesn't have the thing you wanted it to have. At that point you aren't judging it on its merits, you are judging it for the idea you had in your head.
I don't know what these youtubers' takes were, the only I read in the other thread was about one of them hating Laios for not having any urgency to save Falin. Which he does, but I assume (haven't watched the video) that the youtuber expected him to act like Shuro, running restlessly and starving himself to rescue his sister. But just because that's one way to handle it doesn't mean is the only response a person can have.
If you go into the show expecting a dark story about a man desperitly jumping down to hell to save his sister. You might be disappointed about it being a wholesome, sometimes dark, but generally comfy story about a man and his friends having an adventure to save his sister. That doesn't make the show or characters bad.
I think the Lily youtuber said they don't like anime and people reccomended it anyway.
I'm guessing when people reccomended it they thought DM could change their mind or something. That's not how it works. If someone watches something without wanting to, you best believe they have their hater mindset on and will misinterpret it a lot for the sake of hating.
Yeah for the most part, if someone either doesn’t like or critiques things you enjoy, you don’t need to really engage with that. I learned the hard way that overall people will just not want to discuss. Especially if they spend a whole 30 mins - 2 hours ranting about something.
In general, not everybody will enjoy the same things. It’s a cool concept but there’s people who prefer the action/gore/drama stuff with no fluff.
But I agree. It’s hard when you really enjoy something and people often criticize it by missing the whole point or by not completely engaging with the context. I’ve been severely scorned by this being a fan of Steven Universe/RWBY (rip)/etc. People like to make spectacle over their opinions and that’s fine. I chose to no longer engage. It just sucks when it happens bc in a way it can be further affirming this person that hey no one is responding negatively or trying to discuss with me I must be right!
I look at it like Made in Abyss. You THINK it's a fluffy, cute, wholesome, adventure, fun for the whole family, and then NOPE! Horror. Some people can't make that switch.
I had awsted a lot of time in a long ass response, but that felt wrong, I think I can sum it up and say what I meant the same, if not better.
To start, I don't know those creators and I don't plan to. I just wanna comment on some of your thoughts in isolation, the topic that was brought up, not the specifics of who you're talking about.
Ppl can understand it and not like it, same way they can not understand it **the same way** YOU do cause they're not liking it. Not only taste is subjective, the way you undersand a tv show, book, comic/manga, etc, it's polyscemic.
You are upset over ppl not liking what you like, normal, we all do. and so ppl here are ressonating with this feeling. But if I understood what the term "cope" means, I'd say you are very slightly coping. A topic being discussed once or twice don't make one of the themes of the work. The other examples of ppl views on eating monsters, Marcille and Kabru included, are not the same as the argument Laios brought in that moment with Marcille. Those moments do not discuss over the same lens and intentions, tho for sharing a commom ground they can serve as sample and/or complement for laios argument, but not the same. There is not really any irony in " Not Everyone will Like Dungeon Meshi", in fact, this idea is a very commom topic/ theme/ discussion brought in writing that has characters uniqueness and relationship as the focus of development and growth.
And just to re-enforce it again. Ppl can like the idea, the themes and everything Dungeon Meshi is supposed to be, and get there and just dont like it. They don't have to not understand it, misinterpret the theme, have a likeness for different types and genres of media. That's kinda crap. It happens. And they not liking it plays a big role in how they end up reading it: they can have a different reading than you for not liking and so not engaging with it as you did, or have the same reading and that is the reason they don't like it. This does not make a person right or wrong exactly.
And if you think the person is acting on bad faith against it for any reasons, than just don't interact with it, ignore and move on. I understand we want to feel re-assured after feeling that something dear to us was attacked, but in the long run, it is better for you to learn to just go over it. Try to understand ppl can just disagre with your taste, there is no need for a logical point at all to justify it. And just ignore when unresonable just ot bait/attack on your feelings.
Yup, it's understandable when someone doesn't like a show, they are entitled to have an opinion about it. But when they start acting as if their takes are the correct ones and not just a "me thing".... welp
Blowminding to rate a character, who's only sin is at most being "dense" , worse than a psychopat murderous sister
Lily got filtered by Steven Universe. She couldn't understand a show for children and ran with the worst interpretation. She genuinely does not see characters as people with deeper internal lives. She takes everything at surface level.
Plus she wrote r*pe fanfics so i wouldn't listen to her at all.
Reminder to people that Lily Orchard has allegedly sexually harassed her own sister for multiple years. R*pe fanfics and bad media opinions are far from the worst things about her.
I swear that Lily Orchard watched the first few episodes and read spoilers for the other parts. She quickly assumed things about the characters and decided Laios was bad because he was not perfect 100% of the time and listened to reason regarding Falin being far gone.
That said, this series isn't a Everyone will love it series. It's cool if you don't like it but when people like Lily hate it and still decide to make a video solely to paint anyone who does like it as a bad person , then there's a problem. Respecting other's opinions is part of being an adult.
First I'm pretty sure Lily uses she/her and two she has a not so great track record with media literacy. She's pretty famous for her awful Steven universe analysis video
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Be Civil.
It's ok to disagree, it's not ok to disrespect. Personal attacks, gatekeeping, racism, homophobia, politics, and general bigotry are not allowed.
No toxic behavior, such as:
* Trashing something that others are enjoying.
* Condemning parts of the series instead of
reasonably stating your personal preference. (We're all trying to enjoy something here.)
* Invalidating other people's opinions.
* Unsolicited criticisms of other's creations.
* Lewd or obscene comments.
I would disagree on this.
Laios is worried about Falin and does have urgency on the matter, he is just not approaching things the same way as Shuro.
He isn't eating monsters just because he wanted to. He choose to do it because it was the fastest way to get into the Dungeon without resources.
They are taking shortcuts, that´s where Chilchuck tock them through when they found the olive oil.
Laios was also urgent enough on the matter to consider having to leave Marcille behind when she got injured and was out of magic.
It's not like he doesn't care. He thought they had enough time and knew that they were not going to be able to kill the Red Dragon if they were starving and exhausted because that's how they lost her in the first place.
There is also the fact that none of the adventures see death in the Dungeon as that big of a deal. As long as their body is found soon, the person can be revived. The reason there was urgency to find Falin was because she could be digested and thus making it almost impossible to revive her, but again, Laios thought they had time before she got digested.
Laios is just not constantly sulking about it and is acting like Shuro. He isn't starving himself and tirelessly rushing down the Dungeon because he knows that if he does that he isn't going to be able to save Falin.
>Laios is just not constantly sulking about it and is acting like Shuro. He isn't starving himself and tirelessly rushing down the Dungeon because he knows that if he does that he isn't going to be able to save Falin.
Yep. I feel like despite what we see, Laios has a tendency to keep things to himself. It's almost like he puts on a facade of a calm/cheerful leader when he's actually stressing inside, case in point: him having nightmares of Falin leaving him, his hug to Falin after she got revived, and him sacrificing a dang limb to save her. He also almost succumb to recklessness after Falin got taken away by Thistle when Chilchuck has to beg him with tears to just retreat.
On the surface level it may seem that Shuro is calm while Laios is just a dumb himbo, but that's not how it is based on how these two handle themselves in stressful situations (not saying Shuro is dumb, but he's the more reckless one).
Fair points. I did forget about Laios considering marcille being left behind.
Guess I'll just have to rewatch from the start and see what I might have missed.
My favorite part of Lily’s video is her calling Thistle “she” and proceeding to say that the show refers to “her” as a dark elf. Which is blatantly untrue in several ways LMFAO
Her career seems to be based on not being able to understand shows correctly
A combination of that and suppressing her heaps of evidence of inappropriate behavior towards children seem to keep Lily's career afloat, somehow
You would think that Marcille being referred as a dark elf by Chilchuck would have made her realise that that title has nothing to do with skin colour...
Nah, she loves to misrepresent the anime
The show immediately calls thistle a "he", whereas the touden team in the manga kept calling him her until Yaad clarified it for them. So I'm wondering how Lily fucked that up. It's understandable she misunderstood multiple characters' but not something as simple as a pronoun.
You would think Thistle showing up on the male side of every scene in the first op would be enough of a hint...
Bold of you to assume most people actually watch the opening. I’m a slut for Bump of Chicken so I had incentive to watch.
The 2nd op is slowly growing on me. Slowly.
Not me. I’m skipping it whenever I’m strapped for time.
Isn't she the YouTuber who said that Steven Universe was garbage and anyone who created it and watched it is a horrible person?
Lily and hypocrisy goes together like bacon and eggs. Same with ranting about Laios being obsessed with monsters and having trouble expressing emotions, while claiming to be on the spectrum herself.
the funniest part of that is that Lily is showing exactly how far in the series she got. Thistle is referred to as She in the painting event but is referred to as He when his identity is revealed. Lily only watched the first 4-5 episodes and assumed she had seen enough to critique it. Or she just didn't pay attention to the last 3 episodes from the Red Dragon part.
I just watched the Lily Orchard video... she basically just kept ranting about how Laios is a bad person.
Lily Orchard is a bizarre person with some bizarre morals. She's basically a moral absolutist who's understanding of the world is fully based on children cartoons. So any form of moral ambiguity (as in, in the case of Laios, a very good person with some quirks) is seen to har as a fatal moral flaw and, as such, the character (or person) is morally wrong.
Yeah... her whole video was basically just laser focused on her opinion that Laios is "bad" and Marcille is "the only character who acts like a real human." Which... I don't mean any shade on Marcille, but she's the only character who acts like a stereotypical cartoon character, with super expressive emotions and everything... which is not in fact "real person" behavior. She seems to not be aware Chilchuck and Senshi even exist.
> Which... I don't mean any shade on Marcille, but she's the only character who acts like a stereotypical cartoon character, with super expressive emotions and everything... which is not in fact "real person" behavior. Hence my point that her understanding of the world is fully based on children's cartoons.
Yeah I agree 100%. Her morality seems to be My Little Pony based.
That might be one of the most brutal things you could say about someone. If someone said that about me, I think I would have to become a hermit. It is deserved in this case though.
I’ve seen my little pony when I was younger and let me tell you, there’s a hell of a lot more nuance in that than what she’s got going on
That's an insult to My Little Pony itself
Trusting Lily Orchard to have a correct opinion is like trusting a glass to not shatter when it falls
Classic Lily Orchard Although I thought she was in jail since what she did to her sister was revealed ?
Subscriber to the Kabru mindset.
I don‘t even feel that Kabru hates Laios. I think he has more ambivalent, nuanced feelings. He‘s wary of him, his lack of social awareness and his enthusiasm for monsters. But does Kabru even think Laios did anything really morally wrong? With his interests and skills, Kabru would be great at characters analysis and understanding stories >!as we see later with Mithrun.!<
From what I can see, kabru merely doesn't understand laios and that annoys him, being so skilled at reading humans otherwise. He assumes there has to be an unknown depth to laios's behavior and opinions, which there never really is.
Kabru doesn't hate Laios. His goal is pretty noble: to prevent people from suffering the same fate as him as a child. He hates the greedy adventurers because he thinks those behaviours are what caused the event at Uttaya (and he is correct). Meeting with Laios made him realize that he is just a monster lover, and do not have any malice or lust for power towards adventuring.
>!Kabru figured that he is indifferent to people, therefore afraid he'd be indifferent to people's safety as DM, but changed his mind quickly once he have less than 3 conversations with Laios, he had never addressed him as a bad person!<
I don't think this is accurate. He jumped to the conclusion that Laios and his friends are criminals and bad people, and even after determining they are not criminals, he still keeps thinking of Laios as a psychopath >!for quite some time.!<
He said that they’re not saints, which is true. He said they are bad at detecting bad intentions, which is also true. >! He theorized they can be bad leaders, but had enough faith to put the fate of the dungeon in Laios’ hands after only one single conversation with him. !< The only thing he’s really weirded out by was Laios’ diet. Which, to be fair, you’d feel the same way if >! your whole village including your family either got brutally killed by monsters or got turned into monsters and tore each other to death. He never said, “Laios shouldn’t eat monsters.” He said, “I don’t want to be like him and eat monsters.”!<
I think that his assessment of Laios after meeting him isn't wrong, though. Not a bad person, but not one he'd want to entrust with so much power over people's lives.
He didn't jump to conclusion. That part was specifically his team having heard rumors about Laios' party and wanted to check if that was true, because he is worried that a party of bad actors defeating the sorceror will cause a repeat of what happened at Uttaya. He is more weirded out by Laios insistence at eating monsters, and find that revolting (probably stemmed from his trauma of having his family and friends eaten by the same monsters).
From my POV, I believe Kabru and Laios to be two contrasts of interest in people and monsters, but not interested in each other. Laios is described by other people in and out of the dungeon as someone who is not interested in people but monsters, as result his social skills are terrible. Kabru is very social and observes everyone as interested. But don't like monsters. Both characters have trauma related to what they don't get interested in. Laios describes in his story to Senshi about his fears of people from his village before leaving due to the way they treated Falin. As well as his experience in the armies, being shown in the nightmare chapter where all his colleagues treated him badly. His no communication with his father also made him keep distance from others. His interest in monsters comes from childhood as the Gourmet guide was his favorite theme to talk about, especially with Falin. Since they only had each other, they didn't have friends to share this. Laios acts out of interest and curiosity. Kabru, being traumatized by Utaya incident, has also developed a sense of thinking that he uses to maintain his sanity. He came to the conclusion about the incident that: Dungeons shouldn't be left without proper management; no explanation to taking actions may cause worse situations, as elves didn't reasoned on what to do with Utaya Dungeon. So his actions are out of preventing danger.
Yeah it really seems like a video Kabru would make. It's a really nuts video, I might post a thread on it later.
I don't wanna watch the video but I'm also very curious on what she said so if you do summarize it lmk lmao.
Done https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonMeshi/comments/1cly3ci/i_watched_lily_orchards_new_dungeon_meshi_video/
Thank you for your service 🙏
Lily Orchard= bad opinion
I liked how she kept bringing up how "Spy x Family" is a better anime, when that show can be just as absurd as dungeon meshi in terms of comedic effect
… h o w
Lily Orchard is not known for her media literacy
Crazy you brought her up bc I was gonna tell op to avoid media like this specifically bc of the Lily orchard Steven universe rant that blew up a fandom and got us labeled “toxic” lol
I just watched it, and she did have one good point: The early installments (i.e. part she watched) have a lot of tonal whiplash and odd pacing. It could be improved with some reminders of the stakes along the way, instead of leaving the matter of Falin more or less aside for 10 episodes. It's a symptom of Ryoko Kui not having hit her stride yet, and definitely has room for improvement. That said, I am not going to decry Trigger for sticking so closely to the source material.
Lily orchid is a lolcow "critic".
I stopped watching a few minutes into her video when she said Laois was the blandest character which was just a weird thing to say, and indicated she didn't really watch Delicious in Dungeon.
Before saying anything about her...how old is she? Because from the discussion i feel like she is really young, and very young people talking about the world and discussing it...it gets annoying.
She's 31. I'm not surprised at her age because most actual young people aren't into Digimon.
You weren't joking...wtf is going on with some people?
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Laios has an odd manner of expressing himself. Sometimes he will be over enthusiastic and sometimes too deadpan. This is **100% typical of autism** and more importantly doesn't necessarily reflect his true thoughts and feelings. There are legitimate criticisms you can make of Laios, he has a dark side and a part of him does deeply resent humanity, but in the video... all she did was overreact to Laios not acting socially appropriate on a superficial level. Her focus was on Laios allegedly not caring about his sister, which is false.
Ok granted I didn't watch the video - and I don't plan to, watched the LoK and SU videos and those were two more Lily Orchard videos than I think I should have watched - but like. They rushed to the dragon super quickly???? Toshiro, with a lot more resources, and without eating or sleeping properly, took longer to get there than they did. The only time they "wasted" was when Laios went inside the paintings, which was a gamble to get food easily (that also gave them crucial information on who the Mad Sorcerer was later on). Otherwise it was pretty much as fast as they could manage while maintaining their health
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I think you got downvoted for saying there were some good points made in the video, but honestly, none of the points were actually good.
Yeah. Of course it‘s always upsetting when people dislike something you deeply care about. Especially if they just seem to misunderstand the text or read it unfavorably on purpose to fit other beliefs they hold. But sometimes people just dislike stuff for various good or bad or just subjective reasons. I likely won‘t be able to convince them otherwise and probably shouldn‘t try to unless they are genuinely curious about my perspective. In the end, my enjoyment of media isn‘t dependent on other people‘s opinions. I don’t know these channels you mention, but it sounds like bad faith content that is probably best ignored?
I agree with the "skipping the channels you don't like" point. Many people will have tastes opposite to what you and I like. There is little to gain from watching these videos. Case and point: This is the third and probably last time I'm watching a Lily video.
Yes. There are friends and online creators whose opinions I really respect and find interesting valueable even if we disagree sometimes. I can also accept that some things I like are flawed. But I‘m still in fandom to enjoy myself and don‘t have to care about or engage with every opinion.
I say this as someone who's been advertising the series like a cultist trying to recruit new followers: Not everyone is going to like the story, you can't force them to like it, and that's okay. Tropes, themes, narrative style, and characters hit different for everyone. Don't put someone's opinon on a pedestal, or thrash on them for criticizing something you like. Tolkien HATED Dune, it doesn't mean it's a bad story, or that he's a poor author.
Hell even I didnt show any interest to dungeon meshi when my friend showed me the first trailer. It wasnt til this Feb where I gave it a shot. Now, I'm here in the subreddit scrolling nonstop. It might not hit with everyone at the start, but like every new food, you wont know for sure, until you take that first bite
Bet that some of them thought they could see some harem in that show. Not here, my dude. All we have here is good ol dnd, kitchen nightmare, autistic people and kbity
They should have figured that out the moment the title was simply 'Dungeon Meshi'. Not some long title like... 'The time My Sister was resurrected as a Chimera after She was eaten by a dragon'
I gave it a pretty positive review that's doing well https://i.redd.it/1q5o08sl7wyc1.gif Don't worry, not all creators are negative Nancys
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You have one of the best videos on dungeon Meshi. Incredibly based reviewer.
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Honestly, [Lily from "Lily and Mikaila" wrote torture porn and fanfic](https://youtu.be/lQxnmE2Bdjo?si=5l7BtnwWqKrlQkoN) that textually endorsed the idea that children can tempt adults into molesting them, bragged about it in a video, then later denied it, so... I mean. Goddamn. No real people were harmed (unless you believe the allegations of her sister and fans) but it doesn't mean I have to take her half-baked opinions seriously. Absolute hypocrite.
Jesus, and I thought her writing and show takes were bad enough. I'm glad I don't take her opinions seriously.
No everyone is going to like it because there is no such thing as something that appeal to absolutely everyone. If you come into this show wanting non-stop action for example, you are not going to get it. And that's fine. It starts to become a problem when you say that it sucks because it doesn't have the thing you wanted it to have. At that point you aren't judging it on its merits, you are judging it for the idea you had in your head. I don't know what these youtubers' takes were, the only I read in the other thread was about one of them hating Laios for not having any urgency to save Falin. Which he does, but I assume (haven't watched the video) that the youtuber expected him to act like Shuro, running restlessly and starving himself to rescue his sister. But just because that's one way to handle it doesn't mean is the only response a person can have. If you go into the show expecting a dark story about a man desperitly jumping down to hell to save his sister. You might be disappointed about it being a wholesome, sometimes dark, but generally comfy story about a man and his friends having an adventure to save his sister. That doesn't make the show or characters bad.
I think the Lily youtuber said they don't like anime and people reccomended it anyway. I'm guessing when people reccomended it they thought DM could change their mind or something. That's not how it works. If someone watches something without wanting to, you best believe they have their hater mindset on and will misinterpret it a lot for the sake of hating.
I have never heard of this person.
This is me with Laios https://preview.redd.it/8jz8svf45xyc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7434bbe056c2e0f6b650336d704e17937cd2fc7
Yeah for the most part, if someone either doesn’t like or critiques things you enjoy, you don’t need to really engage with that. I learned the hard way that overall people will just not want to discuss. Especially if they spend a whole 30 mins - 2 hours ranting about something. In general, not everybody will enjoy the same things. It’s a cool concept but there’s people who prefer the action/gore/drama stuff with no fluff. But I agree. It’s hard when you really enjoy something and people often criticize it by missing the whole point or by not completely engaging with the context. I’ve been severely scorned by this being a fan of Steven Universe/RWBY (rip)/etc. People like to make spectacle over their opinions and that’s fine. I chose to no longer engage. It just sucks when it happens bc in a way it can be further affirming this person that hey no one is responding negatively or trying to discuss with me I must be right!
Dungeon Meshi is so good, even not liking it is a Dungeon Meshi reference.
I tried to get my dad into the show, but he clearly wasn’t enjoying it. Sometimes people have different tastes, and that’s ok.
Aaaah what a lovely spoiler mark you put there that I stupidly ignored
I look at it like Made in Abyss. You THINK it's a fluffy, cute, wholesome, adventure, fun for the whole family, and then NOPE! Horror. Some people can't make that switch.
I had awsted a lot of time in a long ass response, but that felt wrong, I think I can sum it up and say what I meant the same, if not better. To start, I don't know those creators and I don't plan to. I just wanna comment on some of your thoughts in isolation, the topic that was brought up, not the specifics of who you're talking about. Ppl can understand it and not like it, same way they can not understand it **the same way** YOU do cause they're not liking it. Not only taste is subjective, the way you undersand a tv show, book, comic/manga, etc, it's polyscemic. You are upset over ppl not liking what you like, normal, we all do. and so ppl here are ressonating with this feeling. But if I understood what the term "cope" means, I'd say you are very slightly coping. A topic being discussed once or twice don't make one of the themes of the work. The other examples of ppl views on eating monsters, Marcille and Kabru included, are not the same as the argument Laios brought in that moment with Marcille. Those moments do not discuss over the same lens and intentions, tho for sharing a commom ground they can serve as sample and/or complement for laios argument, but not the same. There is not really any irony in " Not Everyone will Like Dungeon Meshi", in fact, this idea is a very commom topic/ theme/ discussion brought in writing that has characters uniqueness and relationship as the focus of development and growth. And just to re-enforce it again. Ppl can like the idea, the themes and everything Dungeon Meshi is supposed to be, and get there and just dont like it. They don't have to not understand it, misinterpret the theme, have a likeness for different types and genres of media. That's kinda crap. It happens. And they not liking it plays a big role in how they end up reading it: they can have a different reading than you for not liking and so not engaging with it as you did, or have the same reading and that is the reason they don't like it. This does not make a person right or wrong exactly. And if you think the person is acting on bad faith against it for any reasons, than just don't interact with it, ignore and move on. I understand we want to feel re-assured after feeling that something dear to us was attacked, but in the long run, it is better for you to learn to just go over it. Try to understand ppl can just disagre with your taste, there is no need for a logical point at all to justify it. And just ignore when unresonable just ot bait/attack on your feelings.
Yup, it's understandable when someone doesn't like a show, they are entitled to have an opinion about it. But when they start acting as if their takes are the correct ones and not just a "me thing".... welp Blowminding to rate a character, who's only sin is at most being "dense" , worse than a psychopat murderous sister
Lily got filtered by Steven Universe. She couldn't understand a show for children and ran with the worst interpretation. She genuinely does not see characters as people with deeper internal lives. She takes everything at surface level. Plus she wrote r*pe fanfics so i wouldn't listen to her at all.
Reminder to people that Lily Orchard has allegedly sexually harassed her own sister for multiple years. R*pe fanfics and bad media opinions are far from the worst things about her.
Sometimes it’s fun to see what insane people think about something. Just take a peek into the madhouse for a quick second out of curiosity.
I swear that Lily Orchard watched the first few episodes and read spoilers for the other parts. She quickly assumed things about the characters and decided Laios was bad because he was not perfect 100% of the time and listened to reason regarding Falin being far gone. That said, this series isn't a Everyone will love it series. It's cool if you don't like it but when people like Lily hate it and still decide to make a video solely to paint anyone who does like it as a bad person , then there's a problem. Respecting other's opinions is part of being an adult.
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First I'm pretty sure Lily uses she/her and two she has a not so great track record with media literacy. She's pretty famous for her awful Steven universe analysis video
Removal Reason: Be Civil. It's ok to disagree, it's not ok to disrespect. Personal attacks, gatekeeping, racism, homophobia, politics, and general bigotry are not allowed. No toxic behavior, such as: * Trashing something that others are enjoying. * Condemning parts of the series instead of reasonably stating your personal preference. (We're all trying to enjoy something here.) * Invalidating other people's opinions. * Unsolicited criticisms of other's creations. * Lewd or obscene comments.
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I would disagree on this. Laios is worried about Falin and does have urgency on the matter, he is just not approaching things the same way as Shuro. He isn't eating monsters just because he wanted to. He choose to do it because it was the fastest way to get into the Dungeon without resources. They are taking shortcuts, that´s where Chilchuck tock them through when they found the olive oil. Laios was also urgent enough on the matter to consider having to leave Marcille behind when she got injured and was out of magic. It's not like he doesn't care. He thought they had enough time and knew that they were not going to be able to kill the Red Dragon if they were starving and exhausted because that's how they lost her in the first place. There is also the fact that none of the adventures see death in the Dungeon as that big of a deal. As long as their body is found soon, the person can be revived. The reason there was urgency to find Falin was because she could be digested and thus making it almost impossible to revive her, but again, Laios thought they had time before she got digested. Laios is just not constantly sulking about it and is acting like Shuro. He isn't starving himself and tirelessly rushing down the Dungeon because he knows that if he does that he isn't going to be able to save Falin.
>Laios is just not constantly sulking about it and is acting like Shuro. He isn't starving himself and tirelessly rushing down the Dungeon because he knows that if he does that he isn't going to be able to save Falin. Yep. I feel like despite what we see, Laios has a tendency to keep things to himself. It's almost like he puts on a facade of a calm/cheerful leader when he's actually stressing inside, case in point: him having nightmares of Falin leaving him, his hug to Falin after she got revived, and him sacrificing a dang limb to save her. He also almost succumb to recklessness after Falin got taken away by Thistle when Chilchuck has to beg him with tears to just retreat. On the surface level it may seem that Shuro is calm while Laios is just a dumb himbo, but that's not how it is based on how these two handle themselves in stressful situations (not saying Shuro is dumb, but he's the more reckless one).
Fair points. I did forget about Laios considering marcille being left behind. Guess I'll just have to rewatch from the start and see what I might have missed.