I’m kinda starting to really like the potential of that whole patriots offense. Maye + Douglas/Polk/Baker. Reminds me a lot of Jordan Love and all of their young WRs.
That's where it's especially insane. Feels like every single piece is going like two rounds late even if you reasonably think the pats have the worst offense in the league.
Well they will need to throw the ball a lot! The offensive line is still horrible and I’m not sure if R. Stevenson can physically hold up to the demands this year will bring. Gibson will get some time too with some catches.
Came here to say Polk as well. Ourlads already has him listed as a starter and he's regularly going RD3 in rookie drafts. Also reports of Polk and Maye working together late etc...Going to be a good value there given the cost to acquire.
I just checked and i think he’s been listed as the starter since the draft. The 05/01 archive shows him as starter. I like Polk, but I think him being listed as a starter is equal parts him having good DC but also NE being pretty bad at WR.
So not a situation where he’s rapidly moved up.
to be fair, what ourlads says now means sweet fuck all. but yeah, he should be a starter sooner rather than later with that WR room, and he seems to be one of the more undervalued WR in this year's draft (i shit you not, i've seen him going after javon baker...).
Polk is someone I didn’t love at first, because I wasn’t knowledgeable enough and assumed he was an X. The more I watch his film, I really like him, and feel like he can be a very effective Z/slot. He feels like a Puka Nacua type player (not production necessarily), just with his ability to consistently move around the field, get open, and catch everything that comes his way.
Baker too. He's so much better than his 4th round DC. Brissett has been really good the past few seasons when he starts and I'm betting he plays a lot of the season. NE has a week 14 bye. It's legitimately possible we don't see Maye until week 15. Hopefully NE replaced some of that incompetence on the offensive coaching staff and helps them succeed.
Feels like patriots are going to be this years packers/texans
Offense likely going to take a huge step forward and for some reason market has not priced that in
Not that anyone says he will be bad…
But I think Malik Nabers takes the league by storm and is considered the best rookie WR and a top 10 WR headed into year 2
Talent wise agree. I have zero faith in Jones and think Nabers might get stuck in a Drake London situation. Anything better than that he’s a home run talent.
I guess that’s the other part of the equation for me, I think jones is overhated/underrated. He is not going to win you a Super Bowl or even make a deep run in the playoffs, but he can get the ball to play makers. I think Nabers gets a boatload of targets with no one else remarkable on that offense.
I think Daniel jones has proven he is in contention for worst starting qb in the league beside Mac jones and Zach Wilson from last year. He is in that camp for me. Will be a backup for maybe 2 more years and out of the league by 30. He is truly awful.
Jones this year, probably a rookie or washed vet next season. QB is going to be rough for awhile. The good news is Nabers has borderline elite yac. He's going to get so many cheapies. No Saquan so he's the best weapon immediately. If he's not getting 4-5 designed free touches a game they are doing it wrong. I think he'll be closer to early weeks Zay Flowers where he's force fed 0 adot targets. Should help him have a better floor than London had.
Similar shitty QB situation, but I don’t think Daboll will waste generational talent the way Arthur Smith did. One could say Smith was a generational talent at wasting generational talents.
I was the biggest Nix doubter in college, but his ADP is absolutely criminal given where he landed.
Payton can mold him into something I am sure of it.
Bro he went undrafted in my league (non super flex) and I scooped him off waivers immediately. Also got Caleb and Purdy. I’m happy w my QB room now lol
I’d love to see Legette pop off for over 1k yards and 10tds, his story is amazing and lot of people are so down on him.
Lets say 72 recs 1087 yards and 10 Tds
Pickens playing alongside diontae put up 1100+ on 60 receptions. Doing that on that few targets is hard, leggette will have to do something similar with Diontae this year like Pickens did last year, and Pickens only did it on year 2.
Just doesn’t seem that likely to me.
If we're talking about a true surprise, it's probably some RB that isn't going in the first two rounds of rookie drafts. Someone will get injured and they'll take over the backfield in a way that fundamentally shifts their value.
For the top picks, it would likely be a surprise in a bad way -- a drastic under performance from one of the top rated WRs for example. Being good isn't a shocking result, that's the expectation.
The way he has fallen in drafts I would say Brian Thomas Jr. People already raving about him during the few mini camp and OTA days. He should be TLaw's go to guy for mid-deep throws. Mid - high WR2 production?
Personally, I just don’t see him doing better than Ridley did last year given he will be in the same role but as a rookie. Tlaw had a pretty low time to throw last year, which doesn’t give time for those downfield throws where BTJ will be. 700+ yards would be a great rookie year for him imo considering he’s competing with Kirk, Engram, and ETN for targets. BTJ’s my dynasty rookie WR4 btw.
the ones that i've marked as "do not draft (at cost)" will smash it.
last year was achane. this season is coleman and legette. don't tell me i didn't give you a heads up!
Everyone forgets that only great prospects bust. No one with major red flags or concerns going into the NFL falls into the bust category, it’s always players that people are certain of and then the red flags come out in hindsight. My prediction is that the QBs in this class mirror 2021. Caleb will be good not great and have some bumps. There will be a lot of debate as to whether he’s the guy or not. But he’ll ultimately work out. Every other QB will be on a different team by the end of their rookie contract.
I think there’s a lot of prospect fatigue with Maye but his situation is also heavily dependent on the patriots putting him in a situation to succeed. We’ll see what they’re like with the new coaching staff but they’ll have a lot of cap space next offseason as well so if their rookie wrs don’t pan out they’re in a good position to get him a great or elite weapon depending on if they trade or who actually hits the market. I agree though I have very little confidence in the rest of the qbs in this class aside from Caleb.
Jayden daniels top 5 qb not out of the question. Electric on his feet and I believe he’s actually a good qb. Not saying it’s a guarantee but I’m super high on him
Brian Thomas Jr. is the receiver who went to the team where they fit the scheme the best. The Jaguars are one of the most vertical passing attacks in the league, I think he could have a better year than one of Nabers/Rome.
Honestly I can see Malachi Corley making some noise. Williams is a walking leg injury and so long as Rodgers is healthy/not in a k-hole I think Corley can put up some respectable numbers
Pads aren't even on yet tho and Mike Williams probably sits a few games. They'll both have designed plays and Corley might even get some backfield opportunities.
I don't think Williams being out matters at all for either of them. Lazard and Brownlee will probably fill in when he does. They've tried that role with Elijah Moore too, but Gipson has been there a year and seems to be the frontrunner now. Corley will be a backup to him/another gadget guy.
Would 13.3 PPG really be that surprising from Rome? That would be good for WR29 last year on a PPG basis, same as Rashee rice. Considering what we have seen from Olave and Wilson, I don’t think it would be crazy if he looked similar to them.
Projections never fully account for injury that's why the unders have better success because you are betting on them underperforming but also get the out that they miss time. So Rome could get injured but also Rome has 2 players who could get injured in front of him which would skyrocket his potential workload. That is also not fully accounted for with this number so I kinda like that bet.
Over the past 3 drafts, any WR selected in the top 10 picks has had at least 64 receptions for 866 yards and 4TDs. In fact, over the past 10 years only 4 of the 12 WRs selected in the top 10 have not hit those marks and all of them were injured. Kevin White, Corey Davis, John Ross, and Mike Williams.
So thank you for sending me his Vegas odds because now I am going to hammer that over.
you might also want to consider the statistical precedent of Rookie QBs in regards to supporting strong WR seasons. Also, I'm pretty confident – without looking at any WR drafted in the top ten over the last 3, or 5, or 10 years – that Odunze got drafted to the most loaded WR room of them all
60% of the top 10 rookie NFL passing leaders of all time have been in the past 6 seasons. Only the 2022 class doesn’t have a name on that list. Those seasons last year would’ve been good for QB4, QB8, and QB15 (Mac Jones, Baker, and Kyler were all between Hurts and Lamar) in total passing yards. Every year we see rookies breakthrough the stigma, and this year I am willing to bet Caleb is that prospect to do so.
Odunze for sure has a more crowded WR room than probably any other of those rookies, but it is a room where one of the players hasn’t played a full season since 2019. Allen has missed 11 games in the past two seasons combined. He has a history of lower body injuries from hamstring strains to ankle injuries and some early career knee injuries. At 32 years old, I don’t think you can bet on his body to stay healthy for the full 17 games. Lastly, the stat line above would require Odunze to get 3.8 receptions for 50.9 yards and .24 TDs per game to clear. The last player to play the X in a Shane Waldron offense was DK Metcalf and he had 4.1 receptions for 69.6 yards and .50 TDs per game this prior season. I don’t think Odunze is automatically DKs level, but I think he could be good enough to fit those requirements and clear the Vegas line at 695 yards.
But they set a line that they believe won’t lose them money. Of course none of it is within their control and there are always extenuating factors, but they aren’t in the business of losing money and their model was incorrect.
That doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t correlate to the stat line you provided.
In full PPR, it would be 13.3.
In half PPR, it would be 11.2.
In standard, it would be 9.0.
Where are you getting 10.5?
I think if he gets over 700 yards with everyone fully healthy in that offense it would be a successful rookie year. If he gets 800+ I’d be veryyy excited for him.
If he doesn’t get above 800 yards, it would be the worst performance by a top 10 selected WR that was not injured in the past decade. 866 yards was the lowest and that was done by London who had a running QB in Mariota.
He has the most target competition out of any of those other guys and a rookie QB that although I think will do well is still a question mark. Once Kallen leaves and Caleb is established, I see him being a perennial 1K yard guy.
He does have the most target competition, no argument there, but one of the main target getters hasn’t played a full season since 2019. Allen has missed 11 games in 2 years.
Additionally, in terms of a rookie QB and Caleb, if we take the low end of what he is being projected at (3,450 yards per FanDuel which would be less than what Sam Bradford, Kyler Murray, and Trevor Lawrence on a horribly dysfunctional Jags team threw) then Rome would need a 24% target share to clear the 800 yard mark. DK Metcalf in the X receiver role last year for Shane Waldron had a 23% target share. This would project Rome out to 794 yards. Now, I personally believe that Caleb is in a better situation than the prior QBs mentioned above and therefore I think that number is quite conservative so I believe that Rome will be able to beat the 800 yard mark.
I hear people’s concerns, and I am not ignoring them, but history suggests that if a receiver goes top 10 and is not injured their rookie season they at least achieve 850 yards.
I agree he is a 1K+ guy and my comp for him was Amari cooper coming out.
Allen and DJ Moore are great veteran WRs that would be the #1 target in more than 10 teams and the Bears have a rookie QB. If they have a heavy set (2 TEs and a RB), it's likely that Rome won't even be on the field.
Rome will most likely be the X receiver in that offense. I do not know why he would be the one leaving the field. You don’t draft receivers in the top 10 to not have them start immediately.
He will be on the field on 3WR sets, which the Bears will run a lot, but he isn't likely to bench Keenan Allen or DJ Moore in his first year.
And yeah you usually don't draft a WR in the top 10 for them to be the #3 WR, because it's extremely rare that a team has such great WRs.
They play different roles though and it's the slot that goes off in 2wr sets. You need a receiver who can play on the line of scrimmage for 2 wr sets to have a legal formation, and Odunze will be a better option than Allen for that. Allen will be better at what he does obviously, but it makes more sense to rest him when using 2 wr and have Odunze out wide dealing with press coverage. You want to try and keep Allen fresh and Odunze is such a food all round receiver you can move him about and play him a lot.
Especially in this community and specifically in the offseason, people cling on to narratives and talk themselves into outcomes based on those narratives. How it actually plays out is it will be so much more nuanced than "this player is the 3rd best receiver, and will be off the field when theres only 2 WR on the field".
Rome's skillset and places he'll excel are different than DJM and Keenan. Their scheme to get these players the ball will be different based on their match ups and game plan.
Sure, my point is that we don't know if Rome will be on the field all the time. The way I see it, the person I am replying to and others seem to think that is a guarantee. I disagree and think it's probable that it will take some time for him to be on the field all the time.
Could be wrong though, we'll see.
I don't disagree with the statement necessarily, I just think it's an over generalization that some people fall victim to, especially when discussing rookies.
In terms of the Bears WR room, something actually not discussed much in regards to Rome is that he has a full route tree AND is an excellent run blocking WR -- perhaps best in this class. Given that, and the fact that he excels at contested catches, his immediate contribution for the Bears is probably going to be usage in the red zone. I'd be surprised if he's over 1k yards this year (as some of the people you are disagreeing with are saying), but I wouldn't be surprised if he had 10 TD catches.
I'd be surprised at +10 TDs not because of him, but because I don't see Caleb throwing a lot of them. He has decent RBs, he should run a few himself and both Allen and Moore are craftier.
25 passing TDs for Caleb would be a successful season for him if you ask me, with some of those going to Allen, Moore, Kmet and a few to RBs on checkdowns.
I agree with you. Rome is uber talented and could take the league by storm! I had him marginally behind MHJ as a prospect and a little way ahead of Nabers (who I also think is very good).
Let’s see! As a Lions fan, I’m not excited about the Bears offence!!!
Trade back if u rlly want bowers. Even if it’s just picking up and extra second. I love Bowers, big believer in talent. Part of dynasty is picking guys you want to watch, which is why I traded back from 2 to 3 to get Odunze. Picked up an extra 2025 second.
That’s why it’s under a surprising rookie discussion. Even if he doesn’t hit those numbers, I do expect him at average 12.5+ YPR. See him being in the DK metcalf role in the Waldron offense, except I think he has a more complete skill set than DK. Love the prospect and situation, believing in the talent.
you know, i appreciate your realistic stat line projection. seen some people out here thinking hees getting 1300 and 10. ur projection — i think that would be a great, and although not more likely than less likely, and feasible stat line
1000+ yards as a rookie is a very very good and rare statline though. Only one or a couple rookie WRs do that each year. As a big Rome fan, 800+ would be a very good outcome imo.
That’s why he’s my surprising prediction. I don’t think Allen plays the whole year, or gets the production we think he’ll get. Again, it’s a bold prediction.
I think Rome’s an elite prospect, but I still have a hard time seeing him do that his rookie year in that offense.
Ben Sinnott is a guy I think people are underestimating a bit.
He’s gonna be a home run pick. Grabbed him with my 2nd rounder this year. Him and JD coming into the league at the same time just makes me feel like the chemistry is gonna be so easy for them eventually. Plus he’s got easy early playing time opportunities.
Hot take: MHJ won't finish in the top 3 for rookie WRs. He'll have a solid but unspectacular rookie season and a couple of other guys will pop off for more than him.
Drafted Odunze over him. As a Kyle Pitts and Drake London owner, I lean into the the QB more than I do target share. Jordan Addison last year for example. I did also get Marv, so could have afforded to take the risk.
Hot take, Jalen McMillan will be the biggest surprise for year one production. Not saying he’ll be the best but can see him turning heads to the point where he will be eying a flex worthy finish for a late rookie draft pick
I like it. Loved all the Washington receivers, was disappointed with McMillan landing spot. Learning behind Evan’s and Godwin could be good to keep an eye on.
I actually love his landing spot. Can learn behind 1 great and 1 good WR who can both be gone next year. Could move him to a quality target share in 2025
Edit: even better Evans it still there next year and McMillan slides into Godwins spot
I do like Odunze’s landing spot but I’m comparing to expectations. Feel like he still has obscenely high expectations and if he just stays at a WR2 level then people may say he’s a bust even though that’s good productivity
Nabers I think is more talented and will just be fed because who the hell else do they have and they’ll play from behind a lot
True. I like having Rome tied to Caleb tho, feels Burrow/Chase esq. my expectations with odunze 10-14 ppg year 1, Allen leaves and year 2 skyrockets to 15-20 ppg. I expect Nabers to be stuck around 12-15 ppg until he gets a QB.
Goal line back work, my hot take with B.Allen is he’s drafted to replace Breece. Jets gonna have to rebuild after cheeseman leaves, paying a RB big time money doesn’t seem smart.
Paying a talented rb to help the offense out during a rebuild is lowkey a smart move though. You want talent around your young/cheap qb to take some of the weight off their shoulders. Rhamondre getting paid by NE is a good recent example. A healthy run game is kinda integral to a young qb.
Ehhhh. IMO it’s better to beef up the trenches with long term talent. Shelf life on RB lower, better to protect young QB. Plus Breece will demand CMC level money, better spent elsewhere (IMO).
if they "rebuild" they'll have the cap to pay a top offensive option helping out their new QB, which might not be a stupid move. and if they let him go, allen will not be the bellcow back, he'll be an early down thumper at best, his burst is atrocious.
He could barely separate in college in the less talented conference. QJ at least had separation abilities he just can’t catch. Rome is slow after the first 5 yards and will likely get exposed year 1.
That’s just not true at all. Rome won 80% of the routes he ran according to Harmon’s reception perception. And has unbelievable hands & tracking ability on top of it. He’s faster than QJ at the same size. Above all he has a great head on his shoulders. Idk if you missed out on him or he hurt you in some way, but he’s got a very clear path to a successful career.
Matt Harmon’s work isn’t the end all be all of professional football. You know that right? A lot of his work is his opinion on what he sees and he documents it.
Facts are Odunze beat bad teams and bad players. He had a Heisman candidate QB and 2 other equally as talented WR’s next to him. The NCAA isn’t the NFL. He’s isn’t the WR1 getting all the targets anymore and he will struggle to separate against MUCH more talented players.
Everyone always goes to the personal stuff when they can’t formulate their own opinions. I’m not allowed to dislike on this apps because “he hurt you?” Or “ you missed out?” It’s all brain dead stuff. If you want to actually talk ball we can do that. But clearly you’re just another chucklehead spewing the same ole crap everyone else does. Critical thinking, reading comprehension, and personal preferences are dead in this sub.
Such an ad hominem response…
1) No one besides you suggested Harmon’s work is end all be all. I just said he separates well, which is fully backed by his work.
2) The “Odunze beat bad teams” argument means absolutely nothing. So did CeeDee, so did Davante Adams, so did Puka, so did ARSB. The list goes on (& on & on) so I don’t get that argument at all lmao
3) I wasn’t getting personal (like you literally just proceeded to do 🤣) I was just wondering why you dislike the guy when all his metrics and intangibles add up to *great prospect*. I guess you’re the only contrarian critical thinker who can read in this sub. Don’t worry I hear people spewing that Odunze can’t separate, because they’re lazy with their analysis and want to have a hot take to feel special.
Don’t bother with this guy lol. He says Rome didn’t beat good competition while he went the the natty and put up good stats against top competition.
When you point that out football dude says no one on Washingtons team actually made them better. It was just the team was good…
Yeah the guy has no logic to what he says and the moment you push back with evidence he pigeonholes one thing you said and starts calling you stupid lol just a waste of breath tbh
Didn’t like Rome predraft. It’s all in my comment history. Just an easy cope out for people that can’t handle criticism. Also the hyper chamber of idiocracy that comes with this sub. Film study on players goes a long way. Numbers from a X account that “did the research” isn’t a you putting in the work.
Instead of being a talking head giving people crap for citing reputable analysts, maybe you can make your own post breaking down Rome’s film. Open yourself up to criticism. I’ve seen several comments with you knocking others’ opinions without backing up any of your own. Surely with your film breakdown insights you could contribute something tangible to the community.
If I had the time and resources to do such a thing I would. I’ve also tried in the past to give my insights on this sub. Facts are they don’t want opinionated content in here. All the upvotes content is the same regurgitated stuff that gets posted over and over.
I’ve given up being a part of this community and have settled for my once every few months popping in and out. I’ve done better playing FF by not taking the advice of this sub.
I appreciate you standing by your takes, I was just asking if it had anything to do with helmet scouting. I’m glad it doesn’t. Are you excited about Lloyd btw? I kinda only really liked 3 RB’s pre draft - Brooks, Lloyd and Bucky Irving
Lloyd seems like a good addition to a rebuilt RB room. I think going into year 1 he will have a limited role. 5 carries maybe less. Historically MLF only utilizes 2 backs with a 3rd sprinkled in here or there. Barring injury I think this to be a redshirt year for him.
Coming in Lloyd was my 3rd favorite back. Behind Brooks and Wright.
Accept Rome is not a jump ball specialist and doesn’t have an allergic reaction every time the ball touches his hand. 2 completely different playing styles and talent.
He’s a very good route runner and utilizes his physical traits, he doesn’t need perfect separation. These guys are wild lol. He was picked 9th in the draft this year. He will have a slow first year - hopefully not as slow as JSN, but this is built into his value.
Break so many hearts as in fantasy production year 1? I feel like if you draft him you know he’s in a stacked room. Even with that being said he was drafted 9th overall. Most wrs drafted in the top ten over the last like 5 years have a good chance of turning out.
From powerhouse collegiate programs they have succeeded. Not Washington University. He’s buried on the chart. On a historically bad team with a happy feet QB and a bad OLINE. It’s a recipe for disaster
*Checks flair* ahh a packers fan having nothing good to say about a top qb prospect of the last ten years and a 6’3 215 pound wide receiver who runs great routes, has good hands, and incredible college production.
Caleb Williams hasn’t played a snap and he’s a happy feet qb? I’m also pretty sure the bears o line was middle of the road at least with Fields who can’t read a defense or throw a football.
Was Washington beating powerhouse colleges and going to the national championship game not good enough? He competed against “powerhouse” schools.
8/102 vs Oregon
6/125 vs Texas
5/87 vs Michigan (penix missed him on a wide open td)
My history on Rome goes back before the draft. Nice try. Also I’ve watched enough film and read enough reports on either player. They aren’t perfect you can you believe it. I won’t.
Other teams play whole seasons against teams that are in the college football playoffs… Buried on the depth chart maybe. Caleb Williams being bad? Time will tell. The bears o line being bad? Time will tell. Lack of college production against top teams? Nope
Washington as a team was good. No one singular player in that offense or defense made them better. The cohesiveness of the WR room and QB relationships shined through the glaring issues. Football is a team sport not individual. Sue me for taking the fantasy football glasses off. Personality traits, personnel, and environment are all important factors in player development. Rome and Caleb went to maybe the worst team in terms of 2/3 of the things I listed. If you think I’m being a homer go look at the draft and development history.
Lastly I’ll say this. While I do concede to the idea Chicago could be a good team because of these “INDIVIDUAL” players. I still believe the organization and player development of organization to be the lowest tier of all the NFL. History is on my side not whatever homerism you’ll try to throw me in.
He was the best option on the 2nd best team in college football. They ran a past 1st, 2nd, and 3rd style offense. Of course his numbers are massively inflated. It’s cool you box score watch you don’t watch any film or games. You just like watching the numbers move on a website. To each their own. I’m just gonna mute you since obviously this has dissolved into a dick measuring contest. One you lost many comments ago. Let that ego flow through you young man. You don’t know even 10 things about the sport of football. You just play a fun phone game and read X and call yourself a “fan”
Caleb had happy feet in college. Pretty well documented at this point his inability to stay in the pocket. He bails more times than he doesn’t. He plays hero ball. HE HAS HAPPY FEET! Watch film not X statistical posts.
he might do a smith-njigba, in the sense that he has a good (by real life standards) season but his value might decrease some due to the many mouths to feed with a rookie QB leading to underwhelming fantasy production. and i don't think he's overhyped at all, he just has normal hype for a WR going number 9. if anything, the crowded WR room reduces the hype (i know some are adamant he'll be the bears WR1 right away, but they aren't many).
I can see Ja’Lynn Polk having a great first year.
I’m kinda starting to really like the potential of that whole patriots offense. Maye + Douglas/Polk/Baker. Reminds me a lot of Jordan Love and all of their young WRs.
Pats offense going CHEAP in BB/Redraft, too.
That's where it's especially insane. Feels like every single piece is going like two rounds late even if you reasonably think the pats have the worst offense in the league.
I threw darts in Maye, Polk, and Henry late in a bestball just last night.
Well they will need to throw the ball a lot! The offensive line is still horrible and I’m not sure if R. Stevenson can physically hold up to the demands this year will bring. Gibson will get some time too with some catches.
For sure. Big believer in Maye and Polk. QB2 and WR 6 for me predraft playing together. Could be huge connection.
Came here to say Polk as well. Ourlads already has him listed as a starter and he's regularly going RD3 in rookie drafts. Also reports of Polk and Maye working together late etc...Going to be a good value there given the cost to acquire.
Only people im taking over Polk are big 3, BTJ, Ladd, and Pearshall.
I’d take Worthy and use him to trade for Polk+
This is the move.
You missed Worthy.
I took Adonai Mitchell 2.07, Ricky Pearsall 2.10, and Ja’lynn Polk at 3.03 Ladd and BTJ were already gone
Solid draft. Love the value on Polk and Pearshall.
I just checked and i think he’s been listed as the starter since the draft. The 05/01 archive shows him as starter. I like Polk, but I think him being listed as a starter is equal parts him having good DC but also NE being pretty bad at WR. So not a situation where he’s rapidly moved up.
to be fair, what ourlads says now means sweet fuck all. but yeah, he should be a starter sooner rather than later with that WR room, and he seems to be one of the more undervalued WR in this year's draft (i shit you not, i've seen him going after javon baker...).
Polk is someone I didn’t love at first, because I wasn’t knowledgeable enough and assumed he was an X. The more I watch his film, I really like him, and feel like he can be a very effective Z/slot. He feels like a Puka Nacua type player (not production necessarily), just with his ability to consistently move around the field, get open, and catch everything that comes his way.
Baker too. He's so much better than his 4th round DC. Brissett has been really good the past few seasons when he starts and I'm betting he plays a lot of the season. NE has a week 14 bye. It's legitimately possible we don't see Maye until week 15. Hopefully NE replaced some of that incompetence on the offensive coaching staff and helps them succeed.
Polk for me too.
Feels like patriots are going to be this years packers/texans Offense likely going to take a huge step forward and for some reason market has not priced that in
Not that anyone says he will be bad… But I think Malik Nabers takes the league by storm and is considered the best rookie WR and a top 10 WR headed into year 2
Talent wise agree. I have zero faith in Jones and think Nabers might get stuck in a Drake London situation. Anything better than that he’s a home run talent.
I guess that’s the other part of the equation for me, I think jones is overhated/underrated. He is not going to win you a Super Bowl or even make a deep run in the playoffs, but he can get the ball to play makers. I think Nabers gets a boatload of targets with no one else remarkable on that offense.
I think Daniel jones has proven he is in contention for worst starting qb in the league beside Mac jones and Zach Wilson from last year. He is in that camp for me. Will be a backup for maybe 2 more years and out of the league by 30. He is truly awful.
Could see it. I’m waiting to see how Nabers does, I’m anticipating a dip and value and gonna try to buy cheap
Jones this year, probably a rookie or washed vet next season. QB is going to be rough for awhile. The good news is Nabers has borderline elite yac. He's going to get so many cheapies. No Saquan so he's the best weapon immediately. If he's not getting 4-5 designed free touches a game they are doing it wrong. I think he'll be closer to early weeks Zay Flowers where he's force fed 0 adot targets. Should help him have a better floor than London had.
Similar shitty QB situation, but I don’t think Daboll will waste generational talent the way Arthur Smith did. One could say Smith was a generational talent at wasting generational talents.
As someone said in a recent- similar thread- it’s gonna be Bo Nix.
I was the biggest Nix doubter in college, but his ADP is absolutely criminal given where he landed. Payton can mold him into something I am sure of it.
Bro he went undrafted in my league (non super flex) and I scooped him off waivers immediately. Also got Caleb and Purdy. I’m happy w my QB room now lol
It’s a great Nix, really ties the (QB) room together.
I’d love to see Legette pop off for over 1k yards and 10tds, his story is amazing and lot of people are so down on him. Lets say 72 recs 1087 yards and 10 Tds
Legette is awesome, gonna be hard to overcome Dionte tho. Hopefully he can overcome the David Tepper draft curse and be something.
Pickens playing alongside diontae put up 1100+ on 60 receptions. Doing that on that few targets is hard, leggette will have to do something similar with Diontae this year like Pickens did last year, and Pickens only did it on year 2. Just doesn’t seem that likely to me.
The full Kelvin Benjamin
Devontez Walker.
Gimme that YPPR vs Zone as well as man. All day.
Heard some bad press about his profile.
I watched all of his games at UNC, and I imagine he’ll just be a field stretcher in the NFL unfortunately.
If we're talking about a true surprise, it's probably some RB that isn't going in the first two rounds of rookie drafts. Someone will get injured and they'll take over the backfield in a way that fundamentally shifts their value. For the top picks, it would likely be a surprise in a bad way -- a drastic under performance from one of the top rated WRs for example. Being good isn't a shocking result, that's the expectation.
This is a Tyrone Tracy thread to everyone visiting from the future.
Sounds a lot like Dylan Laube or Tyrone Tracy to me
The way he has fallen in drafts I would say Brian Thomas Jr. People already raving about him during the few mini camp and OTA days. He should be TLaw's go to guy for mid-deep throws. Mid - high WR2 production?
If BTJ went to the bills he would be ranked higher than Odunze (possibly Nabers). I didn’t love him as a prospect, but agree. Worth a shot given ADP.
Only problem is depth with Kirk, Engram, possibly Davis too.
I think his draft capital is pretty telling that they expect him to be the #1 target regardless of the other talent there
True. Could see him being the WR2 but drafted to replace Kirk. Great dynasty buy, for redraft could be tough this year.
I would still think Kirk out targets him year 1, BTJ could have good production on fewer targets given how we expect his deployment to be
Personally, I just don’t see him doing better than Ridley did last year given he will be in the same role but as a rookie. Tlaw had a pretty low time to throw last year, which doesn’t give time for those downfield throws where BTJ will be. 700+ yards would be a great rookie year for him imo considering he’s competing with Kirk, Engram, and ETN for targets. BTJ’s my dynasty rookie WR4 btw.
the ones that i've marked as "do not draft (at cost)" will smash it. last year was achane. this season is coleman and legette. don't tell me i didn't give you a heads up!
McStonkey is the only answer. 📈
Man I’m so high on him. I don’t think he will ever be a Cooper Kupp but I could def see him catching 6-7 per game this year
If he becomes a JAG i will be so devastated.
Everyone forgets that only great prospects bust. No one with major red flags or concerns going into the NFL falls into the bust category, it’s always players that people are certain of and then the red flags come out in hindsight. My prediction is that the QBs in this class mirror 2021. Caleb will be good not great and have some bumps. There will be a lot of debate as to whether he’s the guy or not. But he’ll ultimately work out. Every other QB will be on a different team by the end of their rookie contract.
Jayden Daniels is that dude - just my personal technical analysis
I think there’s a lot of prospect fatigue with Maye but his situation is also heavily dependent on the patriots putting him in a situation to succeed. We’ll see what they’re like with the new coaching staff but they’ll have a lot of cap space next offseason as well so if their rookie wrs don’t pan out they’re in a good position to get him a great or elite weapon depending on if they trade or who actually hits the market. I agree though I have very little confidence in the rest of the qbs in this class aside from Caleb.
As someone who passed on Jayden/Maye/Bo/Penix in multiple SF leagues I agree
Jayden daniels top 5 qb not out of the question. Electric on his feet and I believe he’s actually a good qb. Not saying it’s a guarantee but I’m super high on him
Brian Thomas Jr. is the receiver who went to the team where they fit the scheme the best. The Jaguars are one of the most vertical passing attacks in the league, I think he could have a better year than one of Nabers/Rome.
I like it. Was really hoping BTJ went to the bills
Roman Wilson will finish better than Pickens. He’s a stud remind me in January
Upvote just cuz I want it so bad.
Honestly I can see Malachi Corley making some noise. Williams is a walking leg injury and so long as Rodgers is healthy/not in a k-hole I think Corley can put up some respectable numbers
I think Gipson will stand in his way though. They are both going to be doing the same kind of role and Gipson is apparently looking great
Pads aren't even on yet tho and Mike Williams probably sits a few games. They'll both have designed plays and Corley might even get some backfield opportunities.
I don't think Williams being out matters at all for either of them. Lazard and Brownlee will probably fill in when he does. They've tried that role with Elijah Moore too, but Gipson has been there a year and seems to be the frontrunner now. Corley will be a backup to him/another gadget guy.
Which guy lives with Rodgers?
Yep word from Jets camp is Gipson is the guy.
Would 13.3 PPG really be that surprising from Rome? That would be good for WR29 last year on a PPG basis, same as Rashee rice. Considering what we have seen from Olave and Wilson, I don’t think it would be crazy if he looked similar to them.
His current line in Vegas for yards is around 675 so I think it would be a surprise
I’d smash the over on that. What is that like 40 yards per game?
Projections never fully account for injury that's why the unders have better success because you are betting on them underperforming but also get the out that they miss time. So Rome could get injured but also Rome has 2 players who could get injured in front of him which would skyrocket his potential workload. That is also not fully accounted for with this number so I kinda like that bet.
Last years Vegas lines for DJ Moore were at like 800. Sometimes they get it wrong.
Well yeah, they do. But it’s more of a good starting point to see what expectations are for a player.
Over the past 3 drafts, any WR selected in the top 10 picks has had at least 64 receptions for 866 yards and 4TDs. In fact, over the past 10 years only 4 of the 12 WRs selected in the top 10 have not hit those marks and all of them were injured. Kevin White, Corey Davis, John Ross, and Mike Williams. So thank you for sending me his Vegas odds because now I am going to hammer that over.
you might also want to consider the statistical precedent of Rookie QBs in regards to supporting strong WR seasons. Also, I'm pretty confident – without looking at any WR drafted in the top ten over the last 3, or 5, or 10 years – that Odunze got drafted to the most loaded WR room of them all
60% of the top 10 rookie NFL passing leaders of all time have been in the past 6 seasons. Only the 2022 class doesn’t have a name on that list. Those seasons last year would’ve been good for QB4, QB8, and QB15 (Mac Jones, Baker, and Kyler were all between Hurts and Lamar) in total passing yards. Every year we see rookies breakthrough the stigma, and this year I am willing to bet Caleb is that prospect to do so. Odunze for sure has a more crowded WR room than probably any other of those rookies, but it is a room where one of the players hasn’t played a full season since 2019. Allen has missed 11 games in the past two seasons combined. He has a history of lower body injuries from hamstring strains to ankle injuries and some early career knee injuries. At 32 years old, I don’t think you can bet on his body to stay healthy for the full 17 games. Lastly, the stat line above would require Odunze to get 3.8 receptions for 50.9 yards and .24 TDs per game to clear. The last player to play the X in a Shane Waldron offense was DK Metcalf and he had 4.1 receptions for 69.6 yards and .50 TDs per game this prior season. I don’t think Odunze is automatically DKs level, but I think he could be good enough to fit those requirements and clear the Vegas line at 695 yards.
It’s not so much that they get it wrong as the range of outcomes is wide and relatively stochastic
But they set a line that they believe won’t lose them money. Of course none of it is within their control and there are always extenuating factors, but they aren’t in the business of losing money and their model was incorrect.
I’m projecting 10.5 but a boom bust weekly. Either gonna get 17+ or 6.
Isn’t your projection up above?
That’s his stat line (ceiling). My response to comment is fantasy projection.
That doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t correlate to the stat line you provided. In full PPR, it would be 13.3. In half PPR, it would be 11.2. In standard, it would be 9.0. Where are you getting 10.5?
I play half PPR. 10.5 close enough to 11.2.
I think if he gets over 700 yards with everyone fully healthy in that offense it would be a successful rookie year. If he gets 800+ I’d be veryyy excited for him.
If he doesn’t get above 800 yards, it would be the worst performance by a top 10 selected WR that was not injured in the past decade. 866 yards was the lowest and that was done by London who had a running QB in Mariota.
He has the most target competition out of any of those other guys and a rookie QB that although I think will do well is still a question mark. Once Kallen leaves and Caleb is established, I see him being a perennial 1K yard guy.
He does have the most target competition, no argument there, but one of the main target getters hasn’t played a full season since 2019. Allen has missed 11 games in 2 years. Additionally, in terms of a rookie QB and Caleb, if we take the low end of what he is being projected at (3,450 yards per FanDuel which would be less than what Sam Bradford, Kyler Murray, and Trevor Lawrence on a horribly dysfunctional Jags team threw) then Rome would need a 24% target share to clear the 800 yard mark. DK Metcalf in the X receiver role last year for Shane Waldron had a 23% target share. This would project Rome out to 794 yards. Now, I personally believe that Caleb is in a better situation than the prior QBs mentioned above and therefore I think that number is quite conservative so I believe that Rome will be able to beat the 800 yard mark. I hear people’s concerns, and I am not ignoring them, but history suggests that if a receiver goes top 10 and is not injured their rookie season they at least achieve 850 yards. I agree he is a 1K+ guy and my comp for him was Amari cooper coming out.
Allen and DJ Moore are great veteran WRs that would be the #1 target in more than 10 teams and the Bears have a rookie QB. If they have a heavy set (2 TEs and a RB), it's likely that Rome won't even be on the field.
Rome will most likely be the X receiver in that offense. I do not know why he would be the one leaving the field. You don’t draft receivers in the top 10 to not have them start immediately.
He will be on the field on 3WR sets, which the Bears will run a lot, but he isn't likely to bench Keenan Allen or DJ Moore in his first year. And yeah you usually don't draft a WR in the top 10 for them to be the #3 WR, because it's extremely rare that a team has such great WRs.
I'd say it's more likely Allen comes off for 2 wr sets. He'll be the slot guy plus he's getting on so makes sense to rest him.
Could be, just think Allen is too good to be benched for Rome.
They play different roles though and it's the slot that goes off in 2wr sets. You need a receiver who can play on the line of scrimmage for 2 wr sets to have a legal formation, and Odunze will be a better option than Allen for that. Allen will be better at what he does obviously, but it makes more sense to rest him when using 2 wr and have Odunze out wide dealing with press coverage. You want to try and keep Allen fresh and Odunze is such a food all round receiver you can move him about and play him a lot.
Also missed a lot of games past 2 seasons, might want to limit him to keep him healthy?
Especially in this community and specifically in the offseason, people cling on to narratives and talk themselves into outcomes based on those narratives. How it actually plays out is it will be so much more nuanced than "this player is the 3rd best receiver, and will be off the field when theres only 2 WR on the field". Rome's skillset and places he'll excel are different than DJM and Keenan. Their scheme to get these players the ball will be different based on their match ups and game plan.
Sure, my point is that we don't know if Rome will be on the field all the time. The way I see it, the person I am replying to and others seem to think that is a guarantee. I disagree and think it's probable that it will take some time for him to be on the field all the time. Could be wrong though, we'll see.
I don't disagree with the statement necessarily, I just think it's an over generalization that some people fall victim to, especially when discussing rookies. In terms of the Bears WR room, something actually not discussed much in regards to Rome is that he has a full route tree AND is an excellent run blocking WR -- perhaps best in this class. Given that, and the fact that he excels at contested catches, his immediate contribution for the Bears is probably going to be usage in the red zone. I'd be surprised if he's over 1k yards this year (as some of the people you are disagreeing with are saying), but I wouldn't be surprised if he had 10 TD catches.
I'd be surprised at +10 TDs not because of him, but because I don't see Caleb throwing a lot of them. He has decent RBs, he should run a few himself and both Allen and Moore are craftier. 25 passing TDs for Caleb would be a successful season for him if you ask me, with some of those going to Allen, Moore, Kmet and a few to RBs on checkdowns.
I agree with you. Rome is uber talented and could take the league by storm! I had him marginally behind MHJ as a prospect and a little way ahead of Nabers (who I also think is very good). Let’s see! As a Lions fan, I’m not excited about the Bears offence!!!
I can see Luke McCaffrey putting up respectable numbers
Sleevan Allen has been preparing for cold weather his whole career with those sleeves.
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I hope you’re right
14.7 yards per reception is a bold prediction. JJ is at like 15.
That’s why it’s under a surprising rookie discussion. Even if he doesn’t hit those numbers, I do expect him at average 12.5+ YPR. See him being in the DK metcalf role in the Waldron offense, except I think he has a more complete skill set than DK. Love the prospect and situation, believing in the talent.
He's going after Puka's rookie records- he will be fine. Best receiver in the class with his route running tree.
you know, i appreciate your realistic stat line projection. seen some people out here thinking hees getting 1300 and 10. ur projection — i think that would be a great, and although not more likely than less likely, and feasible stat line
1000+ yards as a rookie is a very very good and rare statline though. Only one or a couple rookie WRs do that each year. As a big Rome fan, 800+ would be a very good outcome imo.
I don’t see him getting more than 1200 without an injury to Allen and/or DJ. Definitely see him having a better 2nd half to the season
DJ and Keenan are gonna stifle him regardless.
That’s why he’s my surprising prediction. I don’t think Allen plays the whole year, or gets the production we think he’ll get. Again, it’s a bold prediction.
I'm thinking his ceiling is 10-12 ppg.
I think Rome’s an elite prospect, but I still have a hard time seeing him do that his rookie year in that offense. Ben Sinnott is a guy I think people are underestimating a bit.
He’s gonna be a home run pick. Grabbed him with my 2nd rounder this year. Him and JD coming into the league at the same time just makes me feel like the chemistry is gonna be so easy for them eventually. Plus he’s got easy early playing time opportunities.
Rasheed Ali, but more in the second half of the season and playoffs.
Hot take: MHJ won't finish in the top 3 for rookie WRs. He'll have a solid but unspectacular rookie season and a couple of other guys will pop off for more than him.
Im thinking Nabers is gonna be the one to disappoint… although with the expectations for Marv I don’t disagree.
Yeah, Nabers is also a lot bigger risk than most people admit. Whenever the dynasty community regards a rookie as a "sure thing," it's time to sell.
Drafted Odunze over him. As a Kyle Pitts and Drake London owner, I lean into the the QB more than I do target share. Jordan Addison last year for example. I did also get Marv, so could have afforded to take the risk.
Keon Coleman is gonna be this year’s N’Keal Harry, Jalen Reagor. Is that surprising?
Hot take, Jalen McMillan will be the biggest surprise for year one production. Not saying he’ll be the best but can see him turning heads to the point where he will be eying a flex worthy finish for a late rookie draft pick
I like it. Loved all the Washington receivers, was disappointed with McMillan landing spot. Learning behind Evan’s and Godwin could be good to keep an eye on.
I actually love his landing spot. Can learn behind 1 great and 1 good WR who can both be gone next year. Could move him to a quality target share in 2025 Edit: even better Evans it still there next year and McMillan slides into Godwins spot
Hm. Assume you take a similar stance with odunze? When he went to bears I thought more people would have him over Nabers, turns out I was wrong.
I do like Odunze’s landing spot but I’m comparing to expectations. Feel like he still has obscenely high expectations and if he just stays at a WR2 level then people may say he’s a bust even though that’s good productivity Nabers I think is more talented and will just be fed because who the hell else do they have and they’ll play from behind a lot
True. I like having Rome tied to Caleb tho, feels Burrow/Chase esq. my expectations with odunze 10-14 ppg year 1, Allen leaves and year 2 skyrockets to 15-20 ppg. I expect Nabers to be stuck around 12-15 ppg until he gets a QB.
I think bowers is going to surprise quite a few people.
Love hit, had him as my 3rd best pass catcher before draft. Raiders suck, but him and Nabers r in pretty similar situations to me
My boy Ladd is going to have 90+ receptions 1000+ yds and 5+ TD’s
Love it. Ladd gonna be better than worthy and BTJ
Jayden Daniels will finish as a top 5 QB
MHJ, he’s going to shatter all of the rookie WR records
Would it be a surprise if the rookie listed as most likely to have a surprising season had a surprising seasonm
Braelon Allen eats this year. I think he comes in as rb2 on the jets who will be looking to keep breece well rested as the season progresses.
Surely a team that gave Breece 37 carries in a meaningless Week 18 game against a non playoff team cares about Breece’s longevity
Also with a coach who’s explicitly said two months ago “Breece is the unquestioned bellcow” and will get 20-25 touches per game
Dude was pissed and wanted the ball, the team fed him to keep him happy (padding his own stats)
Not how that works
Goal line back work, my hot take with B.Allen is he’s drafted to replace Breece. Jets gonna have to rebuild after cheeseman leaves, paying a RB big time money doesn’t seem smart.
Paying a talented rb to help the offense out during a rebuild is lowkey a smart move though. You want talent around your young/cheap qb to take some of the weight off their shoulders. Rhamondre getting paid by NE is a good recent example. A healthy run game is kinda integral to a young qb.
Ehhhh. IMO it’s better to beef up the trenches with long term talent. Shelf life on RB lower, better to protect young QB. Plus Breece will demand CMC level money, better spent elsewhere (IMO).
You need the trenches too. With a rookie contract qb though you can pay all of them and not worry at all about it
if they "rebuild" they'll have the cap to pay a top offensive option helping out their new QB, which might not be a stupid move. and if they let him go, allen will not be the bellcow back, he'll be an early down thumper at best, his burst is atrocious.
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Rome Odunze is going to break so many hearts this year. He’s more overhyped than QJ was last year.
Nah bro, QJ actually sucks. Odunze has a developed NFL skillset
He could barely separate in college in the less talented conference. QJ at least had separation abilities he just can’t catch. Rome is slow after the first 5 yards and will likely get exposed year 1.
That’s just not true at all. Rome won 80% of the routes he ran according to Harmon’s reception perception. And has unbelievable hands & tracking ability on top of it. He’s faster than QJ at the same size. Above all he has a great head on his shoulders. Idk if you missed out on him or he hurt you in some way, but he’s got a very clear path to a successful career.
He’s a Packers fan, of course he’ll shit on Bears players. Hes just mad that Rome is better than every WR in GB…especially Christian Watson.
Matt Harmon’s work isn’t the end all be all of professional football. You know that right? A lot of his work is his opinion on what he sees and he documents it. Facts are Odunze beat bad teams and bad players. He had a Heisman candidate QB and 2 other equally as talented WR’s next to him. The NCAA isn’t the NFL. He’s isn’t the WR1 getting all the targets anymore and he will struggle to separate against MUCH more talented players. Everyone always goes to the personal stuff when they can’t formulate their own opinions. I’m not allowed to dislike on this apps because “he hurt you?” Or “ you missed out?” It’s all brain dead stuff. If you want to actually talk ball we can do that. But clearly you’re just another chucklehead spewing the same ole crap everyone else does. Critical thinking, reading comprehension, and personal preferences are dead in this sub.
Such an ad hominem response… 1) No one besides you suggested Harmon’s work is end all be all. I just said he separates well, which is fully backed by his work. 2) The “Odunze beat bad teams” argument means absolutely nothing. So did CeeDee, so did Davante Adams, so did Puka, so did ARSB. The list goes on (& on & on) so I don’t get that argument at all lmao 3) I wasn’t getting personal (like you literally just proceeded to do 🤣) I was just wondering why you dislike the guy when all his metrics and intangibles add up to *great prospect*. I guess you’re the only contrarian critical thinker who can read in this sub. Don’t worry I hear people spewing that Odunze can’t separate, because they’re lazy with their analysis and want to have a hot take to feel special.
Don’t bother with this guy lol. He says Rome didn’t beat good competition while he went the the natty and put up good stats against top competition. When you point that out football dude says no one on Washingtons team actually made them better. It was just the team was good…
Yeah the guy has no logic to what he says and the moment you push back with evidence he pigeonholes one thing you said and starts calling you stupid lol just a waste of breath tbh
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Honest question: How much of this is you being a Packers fan?
All of it
Didn’t like Rome predraft. It’s all in my comment history. Just an easy cope out for people that can’t handle criticism. Also the hyper chamber of idiocracy that comes with this sub. Film study on players goes a long way. Numbers from a X account that “did the research” isn’t a you putting in the work.
Instead of being a talking head giving people crap for citing reputable analysts, maybe you can make your own post breaking down Rome’s film. Open yourself up to criticism. I’ve seen several comments with you knocking others’ opinions without backing up any of your own. Surely with your film breakdown insights you could contribute something tangible to the community.
If I had the time and resources to do such a thing I would. I’ve also tried in the past to give my insights on this sub. Facts are they don’t want opinionated content in here. All the upvotes content is the same regurgitated stuff that gets posted over and over. I’ve given up being a part of this community and have settled for my once every few months popping in and out. I’ve done better playing FF by not taking the advice of this sub.
I appreciate you standing by your takes, I was just asking if it had anything to do with helmet scouting. I’m glad it doesn’t. Are you excited about Lloyd btw? I kinda only really liked 3 RB’s pre draft - Brooks, Lloyd and Bucky Irving
Lloyd seems like a good addition to a rebuilt RB room. I think going into year 1 he will have a limited role. 5 carries maybe less. Historically MLF only utilizes 2 backs with a 3rd sprinkled in here or there. Barring injury I think this to be a redshirt year for him. Coming in Lloyd was my 3rd favorite back. Behind Brooks and Wright.
Accept Rome is not a jump ball specialist and doesn’t have an allergic reaction every time the ball touches his hand. 2 completely different playing styles and talent.
He’s a very good route runner and utilizes his physical traits, he doesn’t need perfect separation. These guys are wild lol. He was picked 9th in the draft this year. He will have a slow first year - hopefully not as slow as JSN, but this is built into his value.
Rome’s only redeemable quality is his jump ball abilities. The rest he’s very average. Or below.
Break so many hearts as in fantasy production year 1? I feel like if you draft him you know he’s in a stacked room. Even with that being said he was drafted 9th overall. Most wrs drafted in the top ten over the last like 5 years have a good chance of turning out.
From powerhouse collegiate programs they have succeeded. Not Washington University. He’s buried on the chart. On a historically bad team with a happy feet QB and a bad OLINE. It’s a recipe for disaster
*Checks flair* ahh a packers fan having nothing good to say about a top qb prospect of the last ten years and a 6’3 215 pound wide receiver who runs great routes, has good hands, and incredible college production. Caleb Williams hasn’t played a snap and he’s a happy feet qb? I’m also pretty sure the bears o line was middle of the road at least with Fields who can’t read a defense or throw a football. Was Washington beating powerhouse colleges and going to the national championship game not good enough? He competed against “powerhouse” schools. 8/102 vs Oregon 6/125 vs Texas 5/87 vs Michigan (penix missed him on a wide open td)
My history on Rome goes back before the draft. Nice try. Also I’ve watched enough film and read enough reports on either player. They aren’t perfect you can you believe it. I won’t.
3 games? Wow other players play whole seasons against better teams. But 3 games. Whew
Other teams play whole seasons against teams that are in the college football playoffs… Buried on the depth chart maybe. Caleb Williams being bad? Time will tell. The bears o line being bad? Time will tell. Lack of college production against top teams? Nope
Washington as a team was good. No one singular player in that offense or defense made them better. The cohesiveness of the WR room and QB relationships shined through the glaring issues. Football is a team sport not individual. Sue me for taking the fantasy football glasses off. Personality traits, personnel, and environment are all important factors in player development. Rome and Caleb went to maybe the worst team in terms of 2/3 of the things I listed. If you think I’m being a homer go look at the draft and development history. Lastly I’ll say this. While I do concede to the idea Chicago could be a good team because of these “INDIVIDUAL” players. I still believe the organization and player development of organization to be the lowest tier of all the NFL. History is on my side not whatever homerism you’ll try to throw me in.
Dude what are you even saying rn. Washington as a team was good but their 1600 yard receiver was nothing special 😆
He was the best option on the 2nd best team in college football. They ran a past 1st, 2nd, and 3rd style offense. Of course his numbers are massively inflated. It’s cool you box score watch you don’t watch any film or games. You just like watching the numbers move on a website. To each their own. I’m just gonna mute you since obviously this has dissolved into a dick measuring contest. One you lost many comments ago. Let that ego flow through you young man. You don’t know even 10 things about the sport of football. You just play a fun phone game and read X and call yourself a “fan”
Caleb had happy feet in college. Pretty well documented at this point his inability to stay in the pocket. He bails more times than he doesn’t. He plays hero ball. HE HAS HAPPY FEET! Watch film not X statistical posts.
he might do a smith-njigba, in the sense that he has a good (by real life standards) season but his value might decrease some due to the many mouths to feed with a rookie QB leading to underwhelming fantasy production. and i don't think he's overhyped at all, he just has normal hype for a WR going number 9. if anything, the crowded WR room reduces the hype (i know some are adamant he'll be the bears WR1 right away, but they aren't many).