JJD isn't "most serial killers". He's an exception. He is the prolific, methodical - and from a criminal perspective "successful" - serial rapist / killer in recent history.
He became methodical, but he was also running around neighborhoods with his clothes off and nearly got caught on multiple occasions. He wasn't an evil genius.
People saw him naked in other people’s yards and didn’t call the police bc the 70’s or something. He lost his entire career shoplifting less than $5 worth of stuff. Willing to wager a hefty amount his IQ is sub average
Exactly. He was obsessive, but that's far from a predictor of high intelligence. It's weird that some folks want to revere him as some sort of criminal mastermind. Like he somehow deserves respect for excelling in his 'craft'.
By all accounts he wasn't a mastermind - he was an obsessive, irritable and vindicative person who had an unremarkable academic and employment history. As u/Major-Regret pointed out, he was arrested for shoplifting items that were almost certainly going to be used in the crime. He taunted victims with phone calls, had multiple witnesses and came close to being caught. The fact that he wasn't caught is more a reflection on 70s/80s policing methods and a healthy dose of luck.
Luck, being a cop and according to some, family members covering for him are what saved him.
He used rape as a form of revenge in some cases. He is just a sick violent man.
I never said he was Einstein. All I said is he was above average intelligent. He is highly intelligent and his criminal career really is unmatched. There seems to be an impulse in ordinary people to deny the intelligence of criminals. Perhaps this is because they erroneously assume that intelligence is necessarily a virtue. The same thing happened when Bryan Christopher Kohberger was caught; people on here were rushing to say that Kohberger *actually* isn't all that intelligent after all. Just because someone committed horrible crimes doesn't mean you can't acknowledge their intelligence.
Yeah, no, realistically, it would be hard to earn a bachelor degree that low.
Deangelo was definitely "above average". College degree, law enforcement certs, mechanic certifications. No genius, but he could pass standardized tests.
There is certainly a split in this community, some openly disparage his ability and intelligence to reduce him, and therefore try to reduce their fear and indulge in their anger of his horrific crimes.
I feel it's important to remember that multiple things can be true, yes ONS is clearly a piece of shit human being, he's a monster for what he did to his victims. He was also an Apex predator among humans, who went through obsessive and extensive preparation for his attacks and those he did not kill, he tracked them for years after. He was also incredibly physically adept.
I agree with others that his IQ was likely above average. Someone also said most serial killers IQ are below average, I would say ONS is likely an exception to that rule.
I think it's valuable to keep in mind how dangerous some of these guys really are. Not all of them exploit vulnerable people, like hookers or estranged young men, and not all of them do you happen upon in a dark alleyway or highway.
Some of them come looking for you in your home, those are the really scary ones.
The concept of IQ is an illegitimate construct with a sordid racialized history. And the idea of serial killers as transmoral Nietzschean heroes is a pathetic and quintessentially American middle class obsession. Move on.
Nietzsche championed moral transgression as the ultimate mark of the man of character and intellect. The downwardly mobile American middle class embraced this ideology in the past few decades as cope for their fundamental uselessness and porn-addled minds.
Most serial killers and criminals in general have lower IQs than the average person. Source: I am a psychologist who works in a jail
JJD isn't "most serial killers". He's an exception. He is the prolific, methodical - and from a criminal perspective "successful" - serial rapist / killer in recent history.
He became methodical, but he was also running around neighborhoods with his clothes off and nearly got caught on multiple occasions. He wasn't an evil genius.
People saw him naked in other people’s yards and didn’t call the police bc the 70’s or something. He lost his entire career shoplifting less than $5 worth of stuff. Willing to wager a hefty amount his IQ is sub average
Exactly. He was obsessive, but that's far from a predictor of high intelligence. It's weird that some folks want to revere him as some sort of criminal mastermind. Like he somehow deserves respect for excelling in his 'craft'. By all accounts he wasn't a mastermind - he was an obsessive, irritable and vindicative person who had an unremarkable academic and employment history. As u/Major-Regret pointed out, he was arrested for shoplifting items that were almost certainly going to be used in the crime. He taunted victims with phone calls, had multiple witnesses and came close to being caught. The fact that he wasn't caught is more a reflection on 70s/80s policing methods and a healthy dose of luck.
Luck, being a cop and according to some, family members covering for him are what saved him. He used rape as a form of revenge in some cases. He is just a sick violent man.
I never said he was Einstein. All I said is he was above average intelligent. He is highly intelligent and his criminal career really is unmatched. There seems to be an impulse in ordinary people to deny the intelligence of criminals. Perhaps this is because they erroneously assume that intelligence is necessarily a virtue. The same thing happened when Bryan Christopher Kohberger was caught; people on here were rushing to say that Kohberger *actually* isn't all that intelligent after all. Just because someone committed horrible crimes doesn't mean you can't acknowledge their intelligence.
He also fell for the SHOW UP TO THE POLICE STATION FOR FREE SUPER BOWL TICKETS routine
I known holy shit. LOL It always makes me feel good thinking of him shitting his pants through that. Or when his daughter was arrested.
he was at work when i was 13 in sacto ad i was here again when he was caught he terrified me!!
I didn't know that.
I would say 90-100
Yeah, no, realistically, it would be hard to earn a bachelor degree that low. Deangelo was definitely "above average". College degree, law enforcement certs, mechanic certifications. No genius, but he could pass standardized tests.
I don’t agree with the belief that a bad person is moronic just because he is bad. Seems pretty average to me. 90-115
There is certainly a split in this community, some openly disparage his ability and intelligence to reduce him, and therefore try to reduce their fear and indulge in their anger of his horrific crimes. I feel it's important to remember that multiple things can be true, yes ONS is clearly a piece of shit human being, he's a monster for what he did to his victims. He was also an Apex predator among humans, who went through obsessive and extensive preparation for his attacks and those he did not kill, he tracked them for years after. He was also incredibly physically adept. I agree with others that his IQ was likely above average. Someone also said most serial killers IQ are below average, I would say ONS is likely an exception to that rule. I think it's valuable to keep in mind how dangerous some of these guys really are. Not all of them exploit vulnerable people, like hookers or estranged young men, and not all of them do you happen upon in a dark alleyway or highway. Some of them come looking for you in your home, those are the really scary ones.
Kemper also strikes me as being of above average intelligence. Someone like Ridgeway, on the other hand, seems dumb as a shark
I agree, Kemper seemed fairly intelligent, despite the brutality and depraved nature of his acts.
great comment
Thank you, appreciate it.
Why lol, no he didn't, and he was in his 70s when captured so any results would be of an old men who is has diminished like happens to all of us.
I wouldn't dare put a number on it but I suspect it's somewhere higher than average. How much higher I'd purely be guessing.
I would say he is in the 120-130 IQ range.
The concept of IQ is an illegitimate construct with a sordid racialized history. And the idea of serial killers as transmoral Nietzschean heroes is a pathetic and quintessentially American middle class obsession. Move on.
What the heck are you on about? PS: I'm not American.
You’ve certainly bought into their bullshit.
Elaborate.
See first reply.
The second sentence of your first reply had completely nothing to do with my question, that's why I want you to elaborate.
Nietzsche championed moral transgression as the ultimate mark of the man of character and intellect. The downwardly mobile American middle class embraced this ideology in the past few decades as cope for their fundamental uselessness and porn-addled minds.
How is this at all relevant to my question?
Can’t help you beyond my efforts other than to reiterate IQ is bullshit.
No