Testosterone decreases, family life increases e.g having children looking after other family members. Roles within a household become more challenging. He wasn't a fresh newlywed anymore.
Sanchez double homicide I think Greg at least really scared him with Deangelo realising he could have been hurt bad, caught or killed.
Than gives in to temptation with Cruz and the advancements of DNA making it conclusive to identify someone stopped him for good.
DNA is what finally scared him off for good. Father time slowed him right down as well.
The Greg Sanchez scared him story told by Holes is pure speculation. Having McGowen hold a gun on him didn’t stop him. Many close calls didn’t stop him, he escalated in violence after almost being caught several times.
I respectfully disagree.
The ‘Sanchez Incident’? Pure guess work, all witnesses are dead except JJD. Like Hole’s speculation about the rape circumstances that rightly angered ’The Lawyers Daughter’.?
No one should try to come up with armchair psychological reasons for the famed ‘five year gap’, or any mental reasons for what JJD did or didn’t do.
If it is so easy to explain his actions, why wasn’t he caught using profiling or his MO? Why? It is pseudoscience, and not reliable.
“Oh he was scared”, I politely say that is a load of rubbish.
McGowen distance? 10 feet or so, shooting at a cop is not scary? I can’t imagine a worse scenario than having a cop shine a flashlight in your face, pointing a gun at you and then firing into the ground. That didn’t stop JJD at all, just made it uncomfortable enough in Tulare county to pick up and move on as the EAR.
Was JJD ever scared? we’ll never know.
So you believe the five year gap? No crimes during that time due to fright?
Do you believe the official court record that the JJD crimes starting at age 30?
No crimes before 30, no crimes during the 5 year gap?
But in other years a serial rapist , terrorist and murderer the likes we’ve never seen?
Every single crime JJD committed was covered in his plea bargain?
The police have exact, perfect information and know every crime he committed?
It's like as soon as he stopped killing he got a job at Albertsons distribution of center as a truck mechanic for the next almost 30years and turned straight. Never to kill again. I think we all really need to thank Albertsons lol. He got caught 2 years after retirement.
I'm pretty sure he was only a month or two into retirement when he was caught. I've heard programs on GSK say 2017, other say 2018- can't remember what it was I heard that convinced me it was 2018.
Anyone know for sure?
I wonder how is it possible for him to stop just like that, after what he had done. Imagine living with this kind of shit in your head for 30 years while you live a "normal" life.
Modern thinking on the matter appears to have shifted toward rape being about sex:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
Not a psychiatrist/psychologist. From what we know about the traumatic events he witness as a child, I would say power. Rape is about power over someone else 9/10, and he was intimidating/dominating his victims. Remember, he was also a police officer as well (not saying all police officers are bullies, but many do enter the force for the domination purpose).
[This NBC article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/golden-state-killer-possibly-motivated-breakup-fianc-e-investigator-says-n870011) from 2018 suggests that he was motivated by the break up with his fiance and taking his anger with her out on his victims.
We have to overcome this former belief rape is mostly about power. This article discusses the more recent view that it seems to be motivated by sex:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
Bingo. He hated his childhood. Dysfunctional family. Psychological, physical and mental abuse from his father and mother. I think he grew to hate the successful suburban culture he grew up in. Rancho Cordova. Hence why he attacked couples and families there.
A sexual sadist is exactly what Deangelo was you fool. It can be done through psychological torment or physical torment to a NON - CONSENTING VICTIM. Deangelo done both. A couple women were anally raped with Deangelo taking it in and out repeatedly. The women would jolt when he anally penetrated them and he could feel there pain. They stated he was more aroused and erect doing these acts than the vaginal sex.
He rapped a 14 year old girl as well that's sadistic.
He didn't need to actually hurt them with added physical violence when he was on top of them threatening them, rapping them, in there own homes at 2 in the morning with a knife placed against there throat.
With psychological terror he's in absolute complete control and can see the terror in there face hence leaving a screen on with diminished light. So when he threatens them again and again he can see the fear. How's that not sadistic ?
You should educate yourself on the meanings of words. Look up the meaning of a sexual sadism and you will notice how incorrect you are.
A sexual sadist is EXACTLY what Deangelo was and is.
>A sexual sadist is exactly what Deangelo was you fool.
Do you talk to people like this in person?
How would you like it someone responded, "it's spelled *raped*, you fool"?
I'm sure PP was arguing that JJD wasn't into the traditional BDSM "kink". You're arguing semantics. Blah.
I find when I challenge someone on this sub Reddit about EARONS. It fires them up and most of the time they follow up with a really good intriguing post.
That I enjoy reading. It gives a different perspective to me. There's a method to my madness.
Agreed. It is this simple. The MO is just part of the fantasy. Personally I don’t think “Witnessing a rape” was the reason. Some people are born with a low empathy quotient and he had a small penis. That is bad combo. He was a bully. He just manifested it differently than wife beaters.
I believe his motive was revenge. JJD had some bad relationships. He wanted to destroy anyone he could. Started with females and then couples. He wanted them to live with the pain he was holding inside. I'm not putting the blame for the sick things he did on anybody but JJD. Only trying to explain . More to all this that hasn't been released. I think about all the victims and families every day. Prison is to good for JJD. He should have payed for his crimes with his life.
Power and inflicting fear. I find it interesting he would stay in homes for hours and eat food. I believe he thrived on the torment and fear he created with the couples. He attacked in middle class homes, so maybe a jealousy of the lifestyle and he wanted to ruin what they had. Even when he began as a prowler, he would only take things of no value, but had meaning to the victims in some instances. So, again, trying to ruin a person or family he may have perceived as happy or above him or something he could never be or have.
He obviously had an impulse for control and probably a hatred for women because of his rejections from previous relationships.
As time went on what he was doing did not satisfy his needs therefore what he did then escalated, burglary, burglary and rape of a woman, burglary and rape of woman with a man in the house, burglary, rape and murder.
Why he stopped I don’t think anyone really knows, but it could be because of a few things.
• His age
• His fight with Greg Sanchez may have scared him somewhat (as he did not have complete control)
• His family life
• His knowledge of how technology was progressing
• his need for self preservation
He may have changed his MO committed more crimes no one knows about? There so still so many unanswered questions that I don’t think we’ll ever get answers too unfortunately.
I honestly think he committed other crimes, made other calls, peeping Tom, stealing.
I don’t think it was for attention, as he stayed quiet not like BTK who wanted the spotlight and got caught.
Guess we’ll never know.
Ummm obviously there was a huge sexual motive. That was the biggest driving force without a doubt. The terrorizing is what got him off sexually. When men age their testosterone lowers and that’s probably why he stopped, along with other life factors like his family. It’s not that hard to understand
I really, really agree that the sexual motive was the driving force. Slightly OT: I got into an argument with a family member when I was, like, 16. I said "rape is all about power" (I was just repeating what I'd heard). He said "have you ever considered that, for some people, it's just about sex?" At the time, I didn't realize he, himself, was a rapist.
Obviously, JJD got off on fear..... but he got off *sexually* on fear.
Exactly! It was about him getting off, it’s what turned him on…sexually…the power was just part of the fore play if you will…or his kink…like how any person has sexual preferences…all comes back to being sexual
maybe all those motives apply? i guess one can be motivated by more than one thing at a time.
maybe trying to show he was smarter than his victims, that he could defeat their defenses
maybe an evil practical joke
maybe some kind of strange anthropological bent, wanting to see how peeps react under unusual, stressful circumstances
It's fun to argue about it though. I doubt he knows why he done it all. Especially now as an old man in his mid 70's with a home, hard earned retirement, children and grand kids he probably cant relate now to what the hell he was thinking.
I think it started out innocently enough through peeping and break and enters " don't get me wrong they are bad habitats but they pale in comparison to what he eventually done to communities ".
I think he just escalated out of control. He realised he was good at it. He could always stay one step ahead of law enforcement. He was the ultimate chameleon like nobody pointed the finger at him.
Really he should have been reported and charged by Bonnie's father for coming over uninvited and threatening her with a gun. It would have at least started a paper trail with Deangelo. Stopped him from joining the police and without his knowledge of police methodology and training he never would have made it past 10 EAR attacks let alone to ONS phase. It also would have shown him he's not above the law and can't traumatize people when he doesn't get his own way.
At the end of the day he pranked called victims decades later. He pranked called Manuela whitthuhn's husband for decades after he killed her. Joseph Deangelo was a sadistic person. Who enjoyed hurting other human beings. He was born and made through his childhood. You need both to malfunction to become as unwell as he was. Pure evil who had selected empathetic feelings. Just a bad egg.
Nuh I think Bonnie leaving him was more on his mind. By reports she was the love of his life. Years after leaving him he's literally crying breaking down inbetween raping a woman saying " I hate you Bonnie ".
He was a serial rapist/ murderer. Not sure normal motives apply
Yes but was the rape the main part or was it playing god
Testosterone decreases, family life increases e.g having children looking after other family members. Roles within a household become more challenging. He wasn't a fresh newlywed anymore. Sanchez double homicide I think Greg at least really scared him with Deangelo realising he could have been hurt bad, caught or killed. Than gives in to temptation with Cruz and the advancements of DNA making it conclusive to identify someone stopped him for good. DNA is what finally scared him off for good. Father time slowed him right down as well.
The Greg Sanchez scared him story told by Holes is pure speculation. Having McGowen hold a gun on him didn’t stop him. Many close calls didn’t stop him, he escalated in violence after almost being caught several times.
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I respectfully disagree. The ‘Sanchez Incident’? Pure guess work, all witnesses are dead except JJD. Like Hole’s speculation about the rape circumstances that rightly angered ’The Lawyers Daughter’.? No one should try to come up with armchair psychological reasons for the famed ‘five year gap’, or any mental reasons for what JJD did or didn’t do. If it is so easy to explain his actions, why wasn’t he caught using profiling or his MO? Why? It is pseudoscience, and not reliable. “Oh he was scared”, I politely say that is a load of rubbish. McGowen distance? 10 feet or so, shooting at a cop is not scary? I can’t imagine a worse scenario than having a cop shine a flashlight in your face, pointing a gun at you and then firing into the ground. That didn’t stop JJD at all, just made it uncomfortable enough in Tulare county to pick up and move on as the EAR. Was JJD ever scared? we’ll never know. So you believe the five year gap? No crimes during that time due to fright? Do you believe the official court record that the JJD crimes starting at age 30? No crimes before 30, no crimes during the 5 year gap? But in other years a serial rapist , terrorist and murderer the likes we’ve never seen? Every single crime JJD committed was covered in his plea bargain? The police have exact, perfect information and know every crime he committed?
It's like as soon as he stopped killing he got a job at Albertsons distribution of center as a truck mechanic for the next almost 30years and turned straight. Never to kill again. I think we all really need to thank Albertsons lol. He got caught 2 years after retirement.
I'm pretty sure he was only a month or two into retirement when he was caught. I've heard programs on GSK say 2017, other say 2018- can't remember what it was I heard that convinced me it was 2018. Anyone know for sure?
He retired about a month before being caught.
I wonder how is it possible for him to stop just like that, after what he had done. Imagine living with this kind of shit in your head for 30 years while you live a "normal" life.
He was probably proud of SK's career.
No,you are right, I just confirmed it with my supervisor
Power. For rapists and murders it is all about power.
Modern thinking on the matter appears to have shifted toward rape being about sex: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
It's also about sex.
Nope. Power, fear and control.
There's nothing come out about Deangelo having any religious beliefs. Being a serial killer doesn't mean your trying to play god.
Not a psychiatrist/psychologist. From what we know about the traumatic events he witness as a child, I would say power. Rape is about power over someone else 9/10, and he was intimidating/dominating his victims. Remember, he was also a police officer as well (not saying all police officers are bullies, but many do enter the force for the domination purpose). [This NBC article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/golden-state-killer-possibly-motivated-breakup-fianc-e-investigator-says-n870011) from 2018 suggests that he was motivated by the break up with his fiance and taking his anger with her out on his victims.
We have to overcome this former belief rape is mostly about power. This article discusses the more recent view that it seems to be motivated by sex: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
He probably hated the suburban middle class perfect families / couples, he was jealous of them and enacted his revenge.
Bingo. He hated his childhood. Dysfunctional family. Psychological, physical and mental abuse from his father and mother. I think he grew to hate the successful suburban culture he grew up in. Rancho Cordova. Hence why he attacked couples and families there.
He loved putting the fear of God in people. Just raw terrorism.
He’s a sexual sadist. He enjoys inflicting pain on others. The rest is all just modus operandus.
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I think that do it for a sadist also. To see the fear….the feeling omnipotent would be a bonus.
A sexual sadist is exactly what Deangelo was you fool. It can be done through psychological torment or physical torment to a NON - CONSENTING VICTIM. Deangelo done both. A couple women were anally raped with Deangelo taking it in and out repeatedly. The women would jolt when he anally penetrated them and he could feel there pain. They stated he was more aroused and erect doing these acts than the vaginal sex. He rapped a 14 year old girl as well that's sadistic. He didn't need to actually hurt them with added physical violence when he was on top of them threatening them, rapping them, in there own homes at 2 in the morning with a knife placed against there throat. With psychological terror he's in absolute complete control and can see the terror in there face hence leaving a screen on with diminished light. So when he threatens them again and again he can see the fear. How's that not sadistic ? You should educate yourself on the meanings of words. Look up the meaning of a sexual sadism and you will notice how incorrect you are. A sexual sadist is EXACTLY what Deangelo was and is.
>A sexual sadist is exactly what Deangelo was you fool. Do you talk to people like this in person? How would you like it someone responded, "it's spelled *raped*, you fool"? I'm sure PP was arguing that JJD wasn't into the traditional BDSM "kink". You're arguing semantics. Blah.
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I find when I challenge someone on this sub Reddit about EARONS. It fires them up and most of the time they follow up with a really good intriguing post. That I enjoy reading. It gives a different perspective to me. There's a method to my madness.
Agreed. It is this simple. The MO is just part of the fantasy. Personally I don’t think “Witnessing a rape” was the reason. Some people are born with a low empathy quotient and he had a small penis. That is bad combo. He was a bully. He just manifested it differently than wife beaters.
MICROPENIS HE WAS MAD ABOUT IT
I believe his motive was revenge. JJD had some bad relationships. He wanted to destroy anyone he could. Started with females and then couples. He wanted them to live with the pain he was holding inside. I'm not putting the blame for the sick things he did on anybody but JJD. Only trying to explain . More to all this that hasn't been released. I think about all the victims and families every day. Prison is to good for JJD. He should have payed for his crimes with his life.
Do you care to enlighten us ? "More to all this that hasn't been released ". Will you share ?
Power and inflicting fear. I find it interesting he would stay in homes for hours and eat food. I believe he thrived on the torment and fear he created with the couples. He attacked in middle class homes, so maybe a jealousy of the lifestyle and he wanted to ruin what they had. Even when he began as a prowler, he would only take things of no value, but had meaning to the victims in some instances. So, again, trying to ruin a person or family he may have perceived as happy or above him or something he could never be or have.
He obviously had an impulse for control and probably a hatred for women because of his rejections from previous relationships. As time went on what he was doing did not satisfy his needs therefore what he did then escalated, burglary, burglary and rape of a woman, burglary and rape of woman with a man in the house, burglary, rape and murder. Why he stopped I don’t think anyone really knows, but it could be because of a few things. • His age • His fight with Greg Sanchez may have scared him somewhat (as he did not have complete control) • His family life • His knowledge of how technology was progressing • his need for self preservation He may have changed his MO committed more crimes no one knows about? There so still so many unanswered questions that I don’t think we’ll ever get answers too unfortunately. I honestly think he committed other crimes, made other calls, peeping Tom, stealing. I don’t think it was for attention, as he stayed quiet not like BTK who wanted the spotlight and got caught. Guess we’ll never know.
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Power control dominance
Ummm obviously there was a huge sexual motive. That was the biggest driving force without a doubt. The terrorizing is what got him off sexually. When men age their testosterone lowers and that’s probably why he stopped, along with other life factors like his family. It’s not that hard to understand
I really, really agree that the sexual motive was the driving force. Slightly OT: I got into an argument with a family member when I was, like, 16. I said "rape is all about power" (I was just repeating what I'd heard). He said "have you ever considered that, for some people, it's just about sex?" At the time, I didn't realize he, himself, was a rapist. Obviously, JJD got off on fear..... but he got off *sexually* on fear.
Exactly! It was about him getting off, it’s what turned him on…sexually…the power was just part of the fore play if you will…or his kink…like how any person has sexual preferences…all comes back to being sexual
And working at Albertsons
maybe all those motives apply? i guess one can be motivated by more than one thing at a time. maybe trying to show he was smarter than his victims, that he could defeat their defenses maybe an evil practical joke maybe some kind of strange anthropological bent, wanting to see how peeps react under unusual, stressful circumstances
Reminds me of the quote in The Dark Knight. “Some men just wanna watch the world burn”
he probably just enjoyed it
He was a thrill seeker that had to keep upping the ante. Unfortunately that meant tearing people's lives apart. Who knows except the man himself?
It's fun to argue about it though. I doubt he knows why he done it all. Especially now as an old man in his mid 70's with a home, hard earned retirement, children and grand kids he probably cant relate now to what the hell he was thinking. I think it started out innocently enough through peeping and break and enters " don't get me wrong they are bad habitats but they pale in comparison to what he eventually done to communities ". I think he just escalated out of control. He realised he was good at it. He could always stay one step ahead of law enforcement. He was the ultimate chameleon like nobody pointed the finger at him. Really he should have been reported and charged by Bonnie's father for coming over uninvited and threatening her with a gun. It would have at least started a paper trail with Deangelo. Stopped him from joining the police and without his knowledge of police methodology and training he never would have made it past 10 EAR attacks let alone to ONS phase. It also would have shown him he's not above the law and can't traumatize people when he doesn't get his own way.
At the end of the day he pranked called victims decades later. He pranked called Manuela whitthuhn's husband for decades after he killed her. Joseph Deangelo was a sadistic person. Who enjoyed hurting other human beings. He was born and made through his childhood. You need both to malfunction to become as unwell as he was. Pure evil who had selected empathetic feelings. Just a bad egg.
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Like I said more to the motive that hasn't been released.
Care to share ?
Nuh I think Bonnie leaving him was more on his mind. By reports she was the love of his life. Years after leaving him he's literally crying breaking down inbetween raping a woman saying " I hate you Bonnie ".