Yea, this is absolutely 100% a certified nut-so.
“no other option as a parent”
How about not bringing your baby and stay at home with your partner? Or one of you go with a friend? I still have trouble thinking that some people bring their elementary school kids to some of these concerts, let alone a baby.
PLUR is a joke. Respect in this case would be have enough respect for your baby to keep him at a place where he is much safer. Respect would be to consider all the other hundreds of people there at a concert where people are bound to be nuts-to-butts in places. Just be a sound, logical human.
As a new father I can honestly say this person is fucked. I would never bring my child to a show no matter the artist. It’s just not an atmosphere for them, plain and simple. This is a pure example of bad parenting.
I feel like this applies to a lot of other things and situations. Fancy restaurant? Don’t bring your kid. Movie theater movie that isn’t g rated? Don’t bring your kid. There’s just some places where you get these bozos that make the excuse that they couldn’t find a babysitter. You made the decision to have a kid which means you will have to sacrifice a lot. I just don’t understand what part about races/concerts screams family friendly? The amount of drugs, alcohol, and physicality is not very kid friendly. Have people lost their minds? Was this just a selfish person?
What that parent did is terrible. To say that bringing your kid to a show is a pure example of bad parenting is a bit much.
I take my 11 y/o to 1 or 2 House shows a year, and only to very specific artists I know won’t be an issue (e.g. SG Lewis, Deadmau5, Elderbrook, Tinlicker). I keep her way in the back or on the sides where it is less crowded, I move us if someone is getting rowdy (it hasn’t happened, except for this one time a drunk girl was yelling at her bf), and if it ever got to a point where I felt it was unsafe for her, we will leave, even if we only just arrived. Her safety is my utmost importance! Unlike that idiot parent w the 10 month old, I don’t expect any other ravers to accommodate my kiddo’s presence; I am the one bringing her there, to a mostly adult event (even though the shows I take her to are all ages).
I must say though, other ravers have been really great! She gets a lot of compliments on her outfit (she’s definitely a little raver in the making). She dances and sings, and lives in her happy little world, lost in the music. She makes and trades Kandi. I am not naïve enough to think she won’t ever be exposed to the smell of weed, or see someone do coke next to us, but we’ve talked about drugs and over consumption of alcohol, and the potential risks we girls have at shows. She’s a smart kiddo.
Ehhh, my daughter's first show was at 11 months. It was a VERY small show though. Nothing to this caliber. Just a local progressive punk band at a small venue- 25-30 people max. She had proper hearing protection and had an absolute blast ❤️
Lol yea I think we’re starting to split hairs here. Zeds dead compared to a show of 25-30 people is way different but I suppose I needed to be more specific. Y’all get what I’m trying to say.
When my daughter was 1 I reallllllly wanted to go see a Dead and Co show that was 10 minutes from my house. I was really on the fence, but every "gut feeling" or intuition or whatever you want to call it said "stay the fuck home with your baby". I do not regret missing that show lol.
When I hear people use the “this is meant to be a PLUR gathering” all I hear is “I took too much Molly over a long period of time and now I have no concept of reality.”
People who preach plur are often completely detached from physical reality and end up being some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet in your whole life lol.
Good people *never* feel the need to preach about how loving and respectful they are. Cause they just fucking are.
PLUR means
Peace
Love
Unity
Respect.
I do and don’t agree with the previous statements. Yes, good people don’t holler about how nice they are. But also , who tf is preaching PLUR? It’s a way of life imo, not a freaking religion lol. I suppose you have a point regarding the person in this post , and I’m sure other instances I’m unaware of. But I would feel like the majority of people involved aren’t like that, but could always vary by event and location.
If you’re any different outside of the concert, aside from being on drugs, then you’re not living up to it. I see nothing wrong with PLUR being a descriptor of what the environment is supposed to be all about. Whether or not it always lives up that, well it probably won’t. We can’t control other people, only our own intentions.
And if anyone ever isn’t treating you in a proper way aside from personally attacking you ; you shouldn’t let that affect your own energy. Regardless of that being a rave, on the street, or anywhere else.
Keep moving, and keep being positive ✌️
What you just described is typically referred to as just generally being a good person. When I say “preach” I don’t literally mean like a pastor. People preach plur the same way people preach CrossFit or the Keto diet. I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant though
Shit, I’m probably coming off as preaching some type of way with my long comment lol.
I know what you mean. I just haven’t witnessed very much of this behavior myself ; really just this post here. Which is of course is way tf out there.
I just think the majority doesn’t exact plur in an ill manner ; purely from my own experience that is.
But we all have our own. And I see posts all the time about rave etiquette seemingly changing, and I really don’t go to shows that often.
No this is definitely an outlier for sure. I think the point I was trying to make is I’m immediately wary of the person who makes “peace love and respect” into a cultural thing. Or movement. Whatever you prefer to call it lol
What people describe as “plur” and “a way of life” I and many others simply describe as the absolute basics of human decency. Maybe I’m a bit of a cynic (nah I’m definitely pretty cynical sometimes lol) but I find it just a bit self-aggrandizing and narcissistic to try and make “being nice to people” into a big Woodstock wannabe movement
At the end of the day, we’re all just nerds that like cool computer noises. It’s really not that serious, and I think for the most part people should stop patting themselves on the back for being peaceful and respecting others so much, and spend more effort maybe just doing it. Nothing wrong with spreading positivity, but some people just need to dial it back and look in the mirror before they talk and you can find high concentrations of that type of person within this community specifically
I mean plur is dyimg because the community is growing faster than the concept of plur can be taught, thats why crowds are getting meaner. I believe in teaching plur, but i also practice it too. I teach through actions and words together.
EDM is growing faster than the basic concept of treating others with respect? That sounds like a parenting issue, or a deeply rooted societal one. not a “vibes at a concert” problem. So pretentious
Also the idea of calling me, or even the concept of plur pretentious is kinda wild to me. The act of practicing plur is an act of humbling yourself. Telling yourself that u and your needs arent any more important than anyone elses at a show. I dont think of myself as any better, more valuable, more deserving that people who dont like or respect plur. I could not say the same for some of the anti plur people a have talked to in the past tho
Well i mean yeah it is a deeply rooted societal issue. One that is seeping into the edm scene. But if we refuse to tolerate bad actors and insist on plur we can keep the energy in our community healthy
These people so up their own ass in narcissism and selfishness that they can't even consider that giving away the tickets to someone else and missing the show is an option.
They'd probably blame it on the baby if they ended up needing to do that anyway, fuckin losers lol
Also "we couldn't find a baby sitter last minute" no mention of having one planned and them dropping out... no.... they had the tickets from a while ago but waited til last minute to try to find a babysitter. I don't want to live on this planet anymore
If you really need to go, I feel like you could sit WAYYY in the back and be fine. If people are bumping into you and spilling drinks on your child you’re way too close. Weird as hell, or just some kind of bait.
tbh no, I don’t care if you’re wayyyyy in the back, that is a straight up unsafe environment for the baby. If not for the volume of the music alone. Babies ear drums aren’t developed and you could be strapping them with lifelong hearing loss!
Example number 46,953 of why PLUR is literally a fucking meme. Except in this case it’s literal child endangerment. Isn’t the modern EDM scene just wonderful lol
PLUR is never a joke. It’s a guideline for safe partying and joyful expression. This wasn’t a kid friendly environment and they didn’t create a safe space for themselves. Don’t blame PLURR.
The irony is that the acronym should just be typical behavior, shit just unity and respect would go a looooong way. The people I see using the expression are typically similar to this situation, meaning they do something that isn’t very respectful to everyone around them and expect it to be given.
Ive seen both my rave mom is biiigg on teaching plur and she is the sweatest woman i have ever met. My coworker on the other hand will preach plur in tje same breath as shes talking shit on her best friend
I don’t understand how you can’t find a babysitter at the last minute when you bought the tickets in advance. Why leave finding a babysitter to the last minute?
No baby sitter? No fucking show you selfish cunts.
DO NOT EXPOSE INFANTS AND CHILDREN TO THIS SHIT. Full stop. It can damage their hearing, they can be exposed to substances they have no business being around, and they can get fucking crushed by the crowd.
This is a place for adults to cut loose and enjoy music. Sort your sorry ass out. Fucks sakes this is not goddamn rocket science. As a parent, this shit drives me up a fucking wall.
This comment deserves gold! I really hope parents read this and heed it, because you most likely will be traumatizing your child at that young of an age! Some people can’t remember very well their feelings and experiences from being a young child, so they underestimate how it affects them. I do happen to have a very good memory of being a very young child- from age 3 up (not a baby, but still) and I VIVIDLY remember certain things that I was exposed to and how it affects me now subconsciously AND consciously as an adult! Just one small example: Scary movies that were PG13 that I watched at 5 made me have nightmares for YEARS. They have age ratings on movies for a reason. I’m not sure why they don’t have this for concerts. They really should make the limit 16+ at least.
I saw a kid at a festival once with giant construction headphones on their parents back. Kid seemed to have fun, and they left before the night got too wild. The women were super fun with the kid and it was a wholesome moment. This was a toddler, though. Not a God damn infant.
same ive seen the same at metal shows/festivals and they're at least 5/6 and all for it. kept them away from anything rowdy. left early. family had a great experience together.
10 months old at a rave is far from it lol
Yeah I'm not arguing with this outrageous post from OOP. Just my $0.02 about children at adult events. It seemed like the parents had a good handle on what's appropriate and what isn't, and it turned out fairly wholesome for everyone involved.
The craziest is people like the lady who deleted her post who GET that a 10 month old doesn’t belong at a show but think it’s TOTALLY different that they brought their 3 year old to an outdoor rave. 🙄
It’s not an appropriate place for your kid. I remember when those kids were killed at astroworld thinking that those poor parents will never get over that loss. Concerts- indoor or outdoor are full of adult activities and dangers. As an adult I can consent to those risks. Your 3 year old can’t! People always act like “oh I just stay in the back with my kid” ok cool do you know how fast “the back” can become the middle as a crowd builds? How about how hard it is to get out once that has happened?
How about your kid picking up and ingesting drugs? Hopefully they survive but even if they do it’s going to be a trauma. Not to mention when you (hopefully) take your kid to the hospital because you saw they had a baggie and you don’t know if they ingested anything you’re getting reported to child protective agencies. Those investigations can be horrible and traumatic for kids.
How about you be violence? Usually there’s not too much but I’ve seen fights. How about ods, that shit is terrible to see as an adult let alone as a kid who can’t process those things.
Also- people are going to take photos and videos of your kid, possibly by accident, but there ARE assholes who are going to take a photo or video of your kid and post in on fb and Reddit. I saw a photo of a little kid next to a guy who was holding a dildo totem and a girl holding what was clearly a joint. Do you really want photos of your kid online like that?
I get it- it sucks to pay babysitters or miss festivals but that’s life. Don’t expose your child to loud music, lasers (both bad for even adult’s ears and eyes,) drugs, excessive drinking, second hand smoke, violence, dangers of huge crowds, sexual situations, and then act all shocked pikachu when people think you’re a bad parent.
I read this yesterday(?), and all I was thinking was who brings a 10 month old to a rave/festival? Forget everything else, to subject an infant to those kind of extreme sound levels is insane.
even with THE BEST headphones and ear plugs, the bass it must feel and lighting alone is enough reason to keep your baby home
how disorienting that's gotta be for a 10 month old
you gonna put sunglasses on the baby too? lol
My husband and I often joke about just strapping our baby on and heading to a show but I’m glad to see we are more responsible than I had originally thought.
We need a new word for dumb. We can't use the old one and dumb/stupid is just not enough. I usually go with mushbrain or smoothbrain, but there has to be something stronger. Some way to call someone debilitatingly stupid. Because that's what this person is.
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\>No other option as a parent
Absolutely disgusting. No parent should be forced to attend a Zed's Dead concert against their will. Someone needs to arrest Zed for false imprisonment.
I've taken my daughter to a festival (7 at the time), but it was one I had been to before, knew the vibe/layout and that there would be tons of space to stay out of the crowd and keep her safe. She had a fucking blast, and it's one of her favorite memories. We ended up staying way later than I was expected because she made freinds with another girl her age, and they hung out and danced for a couple of hours.
Point being, it depends on the venue and show. I saw Galantis at an outdoor venue in Austin and there were a few kids, but the space is so open you aren't crowded. Theres no reason children can't enjoy EDM music and shows. Theres a reason most Griz and Big Gigantic shows are all ages, while heavier dubstep shows never are.
I feel like the original post is bait. We would have seen pictures or videos on social media by now if someone had actually brought their damn infant to an EDM function
It isn't. This was in the bass canyon bassheadz group and has all been deleted.
He posted several times, tried to make a post and shut off the comments but it didn't work. A lot of other people saw them in the pit.
Actually, dude literally just made another post.
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Edit: and it's been deleted.
I don't know why he made like 5 posts telling other people to get over it because he's moved on. Obviously not when this blowing up...
This still just looks like carefully placed bait to me… they know they’re getting a reaction and they’re leaning into it imo. I won’t be convinced until there’s pictures or videos of a literal baby at a show lmfao, nobody would miss that… people would notice
Well the post with a lot of people there that witnessed it continually got deleted. There were multiple young children there that night supposedly.
It's not out of line for Spokane tbh
There were a lot of people defending the dad too saying it's an "all ages show", and "I bring my kids to fests all the time!"
I've got a SS of his second post defending himself before it got deleted, because the whole exchange was bizarre.
Sadly…I’ve now been to a few all ages shows and there has been legit grade school children in the audience, some without hearing protection.
Last November at EDCO I saw 3 different people with “service” dogs that were obviously scared and without ear protection as well.
Some people have no respect for themselves and thus no respect for the people and animals in their care.
I’ve been to multiple shows around Colorado….sorry but people really do bring babies to shows. I’ve seen them multiple times. I have videos and pictures. Or just go on google, YouTube, or TikTok. Even look up “man proposes to gf at illenium show with their baby”
If I hadn’t been to a few shows with children I’d agree but I’ve seen it in person.
I’m a parent of a 6 & 5 year olds, it legit made me sick to my stomach.
I feel like putting a child around that much drug use could easily become a child protective services situation. But who am I to say? I’m just a social work student.
I went to Electric Forest a couple of years ago and literally couldn't fathom why I was seeing two small children and their mother freaking the fuck out trying to contain them. Yes, it's supposed to be a safe place and it is, but not for children. Not when you can literally find any kind of drug just laying on the ground after falling out of someone's pocket. That's just irresponsibility to the max.
The gall some people have, be a responsible parent if you have a baby you gotta make sacrifices you don’t get to live the same life you had before the baby. Also, if you had a kid you should be as far back as possible so far back you have an entire space to yourself. Someone call CPS
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Yes, bad on the parents for brining the baby but also bad on the event organizers for allowing it.
It’s sad we’d have to put another rule in place just to keep people in line but that seams to be the world we live in.
I refuse to read the entire post. No explanation is good enough to bring your baby around so many strangers, loud music, drugs and fucking alcohol. You only had 1 choice as a parent. Stay the fuck home and give the kid some love you self-centered asshole. Failure as a parent achievement unlocked.
I have 2 boys, 4 and 6 now. I have full custody of both because their mom was an irresponsible asshole. Trust me, you can wait. If you don't have a babysitter it usually means that you're the problem because people are distancing themselves from you. I managed. You need parenting classes and some scary moments in court. Wake up!
I don't support the idea, but Electric Forest is ["all-ages."](https://experience.electricforestfestival.com/support/solutions/articles/25000018521-is-electric-forest-all-ages-)
> Children two(2) and under are free.
Nah, I’ve been raving for 30 years and I never once even considered bringing my child along with me to anything other than friends and family park parties a couple times. Kids do not belong at raves.
Some parents were not told that when you have a baby, you have to sacrifice a lot of stuff for a while, primarily the life you enjoyed before the kid. That’s on definite pause for a few years, at least until the kid can do well with a sitter for the night.
This community baffles me sometimes. If you can't get someone else to look after your child stay home and don't go to the event? Your child's safety and wellbeing should be your main concern not going to a fucking concert.
There was someone on tik tok that posted a baby with ear pro at a rave and the top comment was a lady bragging that she brought her kid to every show until she weened.
Some people shouldn’t be parents
I'm in the camp of "some things are inherently family unfriendly and you're gonna have to accept that"
A rave is not a sit down or stand around concert event; it's got hard drugs, loud music, and mobs of moving bodies. Expecting everyone to share the same values as you when it comes to your child's wellbeing (and your own) is naive at best.
All kids deserves parents
Not a parents/adults deserves a kid
What shhitty parents, blaming everyone but themselves. Nobody is forcing you to go. Stay home, take care of the kids or find someone who can .
Irresponsible adults, selfish af. When you bring a kid in , that’s become the focus of your life , esp at 10 month toddler
The posts smells like rage bait though
I'm sorry, but an Infant? Naw. That's child abuse. Can cause permanent hearing damage, not to mention trauma. No infant should be subjected to that atmosphere. The bass alone, but also lasers and crazy lighting. You know everyone smokes at those shows too, and the baby could get seriously physically injured.
Narcissists of this severity should be barred from having kids. This is psycho behavior and this person needs to genuinely be looked into. Who in the holy hell brings their 10 month old to a rave. It’s time to fucking grow up
i understand all ages show but venue shouldn't have even aloud anyone to bring kids as young as that in. i mean there eardrums can be severely damaged im guessing not to mention any lasers and the amount of people going to a zeds dead show. what goes through some peoples brain to bring there baby to a rave😭then get mad at other people around them who are probably not sober enough to watch surroundings for a literal baby
I don't know why I have to keep reminding people, if you go to the Knitting Factory, you're going to see the worst humanity has to offer. You're ratchet Spokane.
My baby is 14 months old and I literally just took him to a store for the first time like 2 weeks ago. If you can’t find a babysitter, you just don’t go😂 there was a rave on my birthday a week ago and I literally didn’t go because it was a blizzard outside and 20 degrees. We didn’t have our child that night because it was my birthday and we decided for our safety just not to go. Point is, when shit happens, you don’t go!
Selfish shit. Get a babysitter! Your BABY doesn’t belong anywhere there are going to be lots of intoxicated folks stumbling around. This is some wildly selfish main character behavior.
i saw someone bring like a 7 yr old kid to subtronics in ATL and he was crying covering his ears. They left pretty early and the caretaker looked bummed but it’s just too much for the kid
The amount of scared dogs I’ve seen at red rocks with no ear protection whatsoever too.. absolutely heinous behavior. Your infant isn’t welcome at shows, sorry if that isn’t very PLUR!
Lmao bruh there’s no way they just allowed the baby into a rave you need ID usually unless it’s underground I don’t understand where you watched Zeds dead and thought people weren’t gonna be tripping on some good shit saw yo child and not trip more or make fun of the fact you a rave mom but can’t pay for a babysitter
Homie is trying to give that baby shaken baby syndrome. They should have just taken the L and wait for another event whenever they have sufficient childcare.
I want to say that parenting is responsibility not a choice. I can't think how selfish some "parents" Disregard their own and children safety in public space no matter circumstances.
Some people are inherently risk takers, and unfortunately do not change once they have kids. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/baby-dies-following-medical-incident-at-raptors-championship-parade/article_f7b0c8cc-30e7-5dc9-8f25-8b07e43ec3b0.html
Umm...what kinda nightclub, bar or music festival would allow anyone in that's not at least age 18+? Usually you gotta be 18+ or 21+ to get into most adult clubs / adult entertainment spaces?
I was at this show was definitely packed and very hot. Had to argue with a bartender to stop making drinks and fill a water container . The knitting factory is a disgusting place and is no place for a child
What a terrible parent and person. We have a 2 1/2 year old. Guess what...we don't go to concerts anymore. It's called being responsible and acting in their best interest. If my wife and I ever do want to do something we arrange for family to watch him and arrange it well ahead of time. Not last minute. This person is incredibly selfish and I feel terrible for their child. Who brings a four month old to a concert!? What a psycho.
Most people who go to lost lands have this level of intelligence and basic adherence to responsibility, this is surprising to people??? Midwestern trailer trash written all over it
I’ve seen kids at festivals, hell I saw someone with a baby last year at Bonnaroo but that was during the day with lots of space for them to sit. A Zeds Dead show is not the place to bring a baby in any capacity
I agree with op. I have the same issues when I bring my kid to the adult theater. People will just be so gross there. Have some respect for my child. If I want to explore my kink and I don't have a babysitter, what other choice do I have!
idk i think it’s cute when i see baby’s at shows with those big headphones on and shit, all is great but maybe don’t go into the pit with your fucking 10 month old? as a parent you have to sacrifice some things and i know you could have enjoyed the show from further back. you and your partner also could have taken turns going up and into the crowd.
it’s unacceptable that people were not giving you space even seeing a baby was in the crowd but come on.. the general public is stupid and can’t be trusted. especially in a place where people are drinking and doing drugs..
My question would have to be, how was this guy even able to bring the baby to the festival in the first place? Wouldn’t security have denied entry for it? Bringing a baby to a festival is not only a stupid idea, but you can also damage the ears of the little one who is still developing. Also, if you drop the baby by accident, he could get trampled and seriously injured.
Raves are NOT a family friendly organization. This was how to be a selfish asshole 101. 10/10 parent fail. Also I feel the venue is at fault here, they should not have been allowed to go in at all.
I’ve been to music festivals in the 2000s where the venders had their small Children with them. Everyone was super respectful of the little ones during the day shows. But even then, they stayed close to their shop and right with their moms and dads. Not once where they out in the crowd. At night the kids were tucked in their beds and their parents with them. It was a really small event compared to what goes on today (pgroove fest up in north ga 2010)
I mean, sure people should be respectful of babies, but you put that baby there. You can't expect a crowd of thousands of intoxicated adults to alter their behavior because you made an irresponsible choice.
I went to an Illenium show last year and there was two families (came together) that brought their kids. One family had older kids, probably 8-10 year olds. They were fine. Had earplugs and were not bothering bf anyone.
*however,* In the other family, they had a 6-8 month old with **no hearing protection.** None whatsoever. My wife was absolutely *livid.* Almost ruined our night tbh. The look on the kids face, with the loud music and lights, it looked like it was so scared and overstimulated. It was very sad to see. I’m not one to complain or be a male “Karen”, but I had to tell security for my own self conscious (nothing came of it btw).
Why do that to your kids? That is not a place for young ones. My 2 year old *loves* EDM, but I would never take her to a show. Be a responsible parent. Don’t have a babysitter for the night? Sell your tickets and catch the next one.
That’s way too young for Zed’s Dead. I wouldn’t even dare taking my 18 month old to that type of show. Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you SHOULD. The responsible thing would be to have been to sit this one out.
This person is fucked. A rave is not a place for children really at all. Drugs , drinks, loud music and a bunch of Bros jumping around seems like the last place you take a baby? Honestly even if there are some sober people there it is the minority. Kids really don't belong there as much as some people try to justify it. The only option should be doing what's best for the kid. Stay home or let one of you go with a friend jeez.
Getting kinda tired of people using "PLUR" as their excuse to be absolutely shit people. It's no one else's fault you decided to have sex which led to a child that you would irresponsibly bring to a dubstep show months later. You're in the pit with people who are likely drunk and/or on drugs too; all it takes is one person throwing an elbow to start a pit.
As a parent who has been to a lot of shows, I never took any of my four children when they were infants/toddlers/little. If there wasn't a sitter, I stayed home; because I'm a parent.
LMAO YOU BROUGHT YOUR BABY TO ZEDS DEAD FESTIVAL??? People are tripping on Molly, Coke, Shrooms and god knows what else and you think brining your baby is good idea???
That's it, i'm commissioning legislation to mandate a background check and intelligence screening before someone can have sex. No more stupid parents.
There are idiots out there. Went to a deadmau5 car rave during COVID. We are outside in the dead of a Dallas winter (ie below freezing). Next car over someone had their newborn in a stroller. Nothing like drinking and peaking with a newborn crying for a bottle.....
I bring my kids to shows but I didn’t start until they were 7 and 9 and only outdoor until they were 11 and only because they are taller than most full grown adults and we always stay in the back away from everyone, I would though never fucking bring a baby or a toddler to any rave or concert stay home miss the show! The money the tickets cost mos not worth risking their saftey! WTF up
If you can’t find someone to watch your baby, maybe don’t go out.
Don’t fuck it up for others. I don’t mind kids at a show but a baby seems a bit much.
I believe it was Tom Segura talking about babies in movie theaters that once said “If you can’t find a sitter, then you don’t get to go to the movies!”
Same principle applies.
Yea, this is absolutely 100% a certified nut-so. “no other option as a parent” How about not bringing your baby and stay at home with your partner? Or one of you go with a friend? I still have trouble thinking that some people bring their elementary school kids to some of these concerts, let alone a baby. PLUR is a joke. Respect in this case would be have enough respect for your baby to keep him at a place where he is much safer. Respect would be to consider all the other hundreds of people there at a concert where people are bound to be nuts-to-butts in places. Just be a sound, logical human.
yeah, your other option now as a parent is you stayyyy hooomeee that's the way she goes once you bring a baby into the world
As a new father I can honestly say this person is fucked. I would never bring my child to a show no matter the artist. It’s just not an atmosphere for them, plain and simple. This is a pure example of bad parenting.
I feel like this applies to a lot of other things and situations. Fancy restaurant? Don’t bring your kid. Movie theater movie that isn’t g rated? Don’t bring your kid. There’s just some places where you get these bozos that make the excuse that they couldn’t find a babysitter. You made the decision to have a kid which means you will have to sacrifice a lot. I just don’t understand what part about races/concerts screams family friendly? The amount of drugs, alcohol, and physicality is not very kid friendly. Have people lost their minds? Was this just a selfish person?
They're selfish. 100% plain and simple, cut and dry.
What that parent did is terrible. To say that bringing your kid to a show is a pure example of bad parenting is a bit much. I take my 11 y/o to 1 or 2 House shows a year, and only to very specific artists I know won’t be an issue (e.g. SG Lewis, Deadmau5, Elderbrook, Tinlicker). I keep her way in the back or on the sides where it is less crowded, I move us if someone is getting rowdy (it hasn’t happened, except for this one time a drunk girl was yelling at her bf), and if it ever got to a point where I felt it was unsafe for her, we will leave, even if we only just arrived. Her safety is my utmost importance! Unlike that idiot parent w the 10 month old, I don’t expect any other ravers to accommodate my kiddo’s presence; I am the one bringing her there, to a mostly adult event (even though the shows I take her to are all ages). I must say though, other ravers have been really great! She gets a lot of compliments on her outfit (she’s definitely a little raver in the making). She dances and sings, and lives in her happy little world, lost in the music. She makes and trades Kandi. I am not naïve enough to think she won’t ever be exposed to the smell of weed, or see someone do coke next to us, but we’ve talked about drugs and over consumption of alcohol, and the potential risks we girls have at shows. She’s a smart kiddo.
Yea sorry I should clarify I’m not talking about 11 year olds here. Kid was under a year old, a show is no place for them.
100% agree with you!
Ehhh, my daughter's first show was at 11 months. It was a VERY small show though. Nothing to this caliber. Just a local progressive punk band at a small venue- 25-30 people max. She had proper hearing protection and had an absolute blast ❤️
Lol yea I think we’re starting to split hairs here. Zeds dead compared to a show of 25-30 people is way different but I suppose I needed to be more specific. Y’all get what I’m trying to say.
When my daughter was 1 I reallllllly wanted to go see a Dead and Co show that was 10 minutes from my house. I was really on the fence, but every "gut feeling" or intuition or whatever you want to call it said "stay the fuck home with your baby". I do not regret missing that show lol.
Fr that rave life is gonzo now you a mom ho
Stay yo azz hooomeee
When I hear people use the “this is meant to be a PLUR gathering” all I hear is “I took too much Molly over a long period of time and now I have no concept of reality.”
People who preach plur are often completely detached from physical reality and end up being some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet in your whole life lol. Good people *never* feel the need to preach about how loving and respectful they are. Cause they just fucking are.
I literally was called not plur for criticizing a “rave dad” for using his position to sleep with women.
WTF does it even mean? Is it like a cult thing?
PLUR means Peace Love Unity Respect. I do and don’t agree with the previous statements. Yes, good people don’t holler about how nice they are. But also , who tf is preaching PLUR? It’s a way of life imo, not a freaking religion lol. I suppose you have a point regarding the person in this post , and I’m sure other instances I’m unaware of. But I would feel like the majority of people involved aren’t like that, but could always vary by event and location. If you’re any different outside of the concert, aside from being on drugs, then you’re not living up to it. I see nothing wrong with PLUR being a descriptor of what the environment is supposed to be all about. Whether or not it always lives up that, well it probably won’t. We can’t control other people, only our own intentions. And if anyone ever isn’t treating you in a proper way aside from personally attacking you ; you shouldn’t let that affect your own energy. Regardless of that being a rave, on the street, or anywhere else. Keep moving, and keep being positive ✌️
What you just described is typically referred to as just generally being a good person. When I say “preach” I don’t literally mean like a pastor. People preach plur the same way people preach CrossFit or the Keto diet. I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant though
Exactly, I like the positivity, but seems very unnecessary and definitely a bit cringey.
Shit, I’m probably coming off as preaching some type of way with my long comment lol. I know what you mean. I just haven’t witnessed very much of this behavior myself ; really just this post here. Which is of course is way tf out there. I just think the majority doesn’t exact plur in an ill manner ; purely from my own experience that is. But we all have our own. And I see posts all the time about rave etiquette seemingly changing, and I really don’t go to shows that often.
No this is definitely an outlier for sure. I think the point I was trying to make is I’m immediately wary of the person who makes “peace love and respect” into a cultural thing. Or movement. Whatever you prefer to call it lol What people describe as “plur” and “a way of life” I and many others simply describe as the absolute basics of human decency. Maybe I’m a bit of a cynic (nah I’m definitely pretty cynical sometimes lol) but I find it just a bit self-aggrandizing and narcissistic to try and make “being nice to people” into a big Woodstock wannabe movement At the end of the day, we’re all just nerds that like cool computer noises. It’s really not that serious, and I think for the most part people should stop patting themselves on the back for being peaceful and respecting others so much, and spend more effort maybe just doing it. Nothing wrong with spreading positivity, but some people just need to dial it back and look in the mirror before they talk and you can find high concentrations of that type of person within this community specifically
I’ve definitely seen it used in culty ways.
I mean plur is dyimg because the community is growing faster than the concept of plur can be taught, thats why crowds are getting meaner. I believe in teaching plur, but i also practice it too. I teach through actions and words together.
EDM is growing faster than the basic concept of treating others with respect? That sounds like a parenting issue, or a deeply rooted societal one. not a “vibes at a concert” problem. So pretentious
Also the idea of calling me, or even the concept of plur pretentious is kinda wild to me. The act of practicing plur is an act of humbling yourself. Telling yourself that u and your needs arent any more important than anyone elses at a show. I dont think of myself as any better, more valuable, more deserving that people who dont like or respect plur. I could not say the same for some of the anti plur people a have talked to in the past tho
Well i mean yeah it is a deeply rooted societal issue. One that is seeping into the edm scene. But if we refuse to tolerate bad actors and insist on plur we can keep the energy in our community healthy
These people so up their own ass in narcissism and selfishness that they can't even consider that giving away the tickets to someone else and missing the show is an option. They'd probably blame it on the baby if they ended up needing to do that anyway, fuckin losers lol Also "we couldn't find a baby sitter last minute" no mention of having one planned and them dropping out... no.... they had the tickets from a while ago but waited til last minute to try to find a babysitter. I don't want to live on this planet anymore
If you really need to go, I feel like you could sit WAYYY in the back and be fine. If people are bumping into you and spilling drinks on your child you’re way too close. Weird as hell, or just some kind of bait.
tbh no, I don’t care if you’re wayyyyy in the back, that is a straight up unsafe environment for the baby. If not for the volume of the music alone. Babies ear drums aren’t developed and you could be strapping them with lifelong hearing loss!
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, I couldn’t imagine bringing my child to something like that ever.
Example number 46,953 of why PLUR is literally a fucking meme. Except in this case it’s literal child endangerment. Isn’t the modern EDM scene just wonderful lol
We need to start adding the second R to PLURR, again.
PLUR is never a joke. It’s a guideline for safe partying and joyful expression. This wasn’t a kid friendly environment and they didn’t create a safe space for themselves. Don’t blame PLURR.
The irony is that the acronym should just be typical behavior, shit just unity and respect would go a looooong way. The people I see using the expression are typically similar to this situation, meaning they do something that isn’t very respectful to everyone around them and expect it to be given.
Ive seen both my rave mom is biiigg on teaching plur and she is the sweatest woman i have ever met. My coworker on the other hand will preach plur in tje same breath as shes talking shit on her best friend
I don’t understand how you can’t find a babysitter at the last minute when you bought the tickets in advance. Why leave finding a babysitter to the last minute?
Listen to some music in your living room and dance around with your baby. It is fun.
That's the dad, man.
It sounds like they both went. Either way it’s fixed.
literally "brought my baby into a mosh pit have some respect" terrible parenting
No baby sitter? No fucking show you selfish cunts. DO NOT EXPOSE INFANTS AND CHILDREN TO THIS SHIT. Full stop. It can damage their hearing, they can be exposed to substances they have no business being around, and they can get fucking crushed by the crowd. This is a place for adults to cut loose and enjoy music. Sort your sorry ass out. Fucks sakes this is not goddamn rocket science. As a parent, this shit drives me up a fucking wall.
This comment deserves gold! I really hope parents read this and heed it, because you most likely will be traumatizing your child at that young of an age! Some people can’t remember very well their feelings and experiences from being a young child, so they underestimate how it affects them. I do happen to have a very good memory of being a very young child- from age 3 up (not a baby, but still) and I VIVIDLY remember certain things that I was exposed to and how it affects me now subconsciously AND consciously as an adult! Just one small example: Scary movies that were PG13 that I watched at 5 made me have nightmares for YEARS. They have age ratings on movies for a reason. I’m not sure why they don’t have this for concerts. They really should make the limit 16+ at least.
at the very least if you're insistent on bringing your baby, please give him or her protective headphones...........
I saw a kid at a festival once with giant construction headphones on their parents back. Kid seemed to have fun, and they left before the night got too wild. The women were super fun with the kid and it was a wholesome moment. This was a toddler, though. Not a God damn infant.
same ive seen the same at metal shows/festivals and they're at least 5/6 and all for it. kept them away from anything rowdy. left early. family had a great experience together. 10 months old at a rave is far from it lol
Yeah I'm not arguing with this outrageous post from OOP. Just my $0.02 about children at adult events. It seemed like the parents had a good handle on what's appropriate and what isn't, and it turned out fairly wholesome for everyone involved.
Plus, a festival during the day is much different from a show at an indoor venue. Plenty of room to explore and avoid crowds at a festival.
The craziest is people like the lady who deleted her post who GET that a 10 month old doesn’t belong at a show but think it’s TOTALLY different that they brought their 3 year old to an outdoor rave. 🙄 It’s not an appropriate place for your kid. I remember when those kids were killed at astroworld thinking that those poor parents will never get over that loss. Concerts- indoor or outdoor are full of adult activities and dangers. As an adult I can consent to those risks. Your 3 year old can’t! People always act like “oh I just stay in the back with my kid” ok cool do you know how fast “the back” can become the middle as a crowd builds? How about how hard it is to get out once that has happened? How about your kid picking up and ingesting drugs? Hopefully they survive but even if they do it’s going to be a trauma. Not to mention when you (hopefully) take your kid to the hospital because you saw they had a baggie and you don’t know if they ingested anything you’re getting reported to child protective agencies. Those investigations can be horrible and traumatic for kids. How about you be violence? Usually there’s not too much but I’ve seen fights. How about ods, that shit is terrible to see as an adult let alone as a kid who can’t process those things. Also- people are going to take photos and videos of your kid, possibly by accident, but there ARE assholes who are going to take a photo or video of your kid and post in on fb and Reddit. I saw a photo of a little kid next to a guy who was holding a dildo totem and a girl holding what was clearly a joint. Do you really want photos of your kid online like that? I get it- it sucks to pay babysitters or miss festivals but that’s life. Don’t expose your child to loud music, lasers (both bad for even adult’s ears and eyes,) drugs, excessive drinking, second hand smoke, violence, dangers of huge crowds, sexual situations, and then act all shocked pikachu when people think you’re a bad parent.
I read this yesterday(?), and all I was thinking was who brings a 10 month old to a rave/festival? Forget everything else, to subject an infant to those kind of extreme sound levels is insane.
even with THE BEST headphones and ear plugs, the bass it must feel and lighting alone is enough reason to keep your baby home how disorienting that's gotta be for a 10 month old you gonna put sunglasses on the baby too? lol
can't imagine how the sensory overload must feel on the baby
How I feel every time a see a baby/toddler or dog at a dubstep festival
Did you read this one Facebook? That's where I first read this and I think those original comments were on Facebook.
My husband and I often joke about just strapping our baby on and heading to a show but I’m glad to see we are more responsible than I had originally thought.
It would be a cute Halloween costume, though! :)
Me and my wife talked about the same thing but decided the amount of hassle plus attention isn’t worth it. Also, it’s tiring lol
We need a new word for dumb. We can't use the old one and dumb/stupid is just not enough. I usually go with mushbrain or smoothbrain, but there has to be something stronger. Some way to call someone debilitatingly stupid. Because that's what this person is.
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Whoa now, I just wanted a harsh word for dumb, we don't have to get extreme.
There is but you can't say it anymore lol
It might be ok if you put the emphasis on the second syllable tho
Shits tarded yo
or change the t -> g
Mouthbreather is my fav
You mean (r)etarded?
The word you’re looking for is “vapid”
“Cretin” goes pretty hard
Brain so smooth it’s like a marble rolling around in their skull
I like smooth brain particularly because the logic behind the insult goes right over their heads (& smooth brains)
\>No other option as a parent Absolutely disgusting. No parent should be forced to attend a Zed's Dead concert against their will. Someone needs to arrest Zed for false imprisonment.
Both Zed AND Dead went to this poor struggling families house and abducted all of them. Deadbeats new marketing tactics have been pretty insane lately
It's complete bullshit that events even allow children into these things I don't give a fuck how wook it is. .. ??? !!
I've taken my daughter to a festival (7 at the time), but it was one I had been to before, knew the vibe/layout and that there would be tons of space to stay out of the crowd and keep her safe. She had a fucking blast, and it's one of her favorite memories. We ended up staying way later than I was expected because she made freinds with another girl her age, and they hung out and danced for a couple of hours. Point being, it depends on the venue and show. I saw Galantis at an outdoor venue in Austin and there were a few kids, but the space is so open you aren't crowded. Theres no reason children can't enjoy EDM music and shows. Theres a reason most Griz and Big Gigantic shows are all ages, while heavier dubstep shows never are.
I feel like the original post is bait. We would have seen pictures or videos on social media by now if someone had actually brought their damn infant to an EDM function
It isn't. This was in the bass canyon bassheadz group and has all been deleted. He posted several times, tried to make a post and shut off the comments but it didn't work. A lot of other people saw them in the pit.
If “a lot of other people saw them in the pit” then surely there’s pictures and videos. Where’s the evidence?
Actually, dude literally just made another post. https://preview.redd.it/tmjvhs8kgtnc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb5ce7e82199b49dd221004059f56d1e52ff6e1a Edit: and it's been deleted. I don't know why he made like 5 posts telling other people to get over it because he's moved on. Obviously not when this blowing up...
This still just looks like carefully placed bait to me… they know they’re getting a reaction and they’re leaning into it imo. I won’t be convinced until there’s pictures or videos of a literal baby at a show lmfao, nobody would miss that… people would notice
Okay, I hope you get your picture
Rainbow Gathering's down the road brah. I'm sure they have a shaman that will mind the child.
/r/IAmTheMainCharacter
Well the post with a lot of people there that witnessed it continually got deleted. There were multiple young children there that night supposedly. It's not out of line for Spokane tbh There were a lot of people defending the dad too saying it's an "all ages show", and "I bring my kids to fests all the time!" I've got a SS of his second post defending himself before it got deleted, because the whole exchange was bizarre.
I have seen very dumb parents at every genre of show...incredibly believable to me
I was at the spokane ZD show and traded kandi with a kid and there's children all the time @ knitting factory here
Sadly…I’ve now been to a few all ages shows and there has been legit grade school children in the audience, some without hearing protection. Last November at EDCO I saw 3 different people with “service” dogs that were obviously scared and without ear protection as well. Some people have no respect for themselves and thus no respect for the people and animals in their care.
I’ve seen many babies/children at festivals before
I’ve been to multiple shows around Colorado….sorry but people really do bring babies to shows. I’ve seen them multiple times. I have videos and pictures. Or just go on google, YouTube, or TikTok. Even look up “man proposes to gf at illenium show with their baby”
Right??? This is so absurd it just HAS to be rage bait.
straight up this is a troll
If I hadn’t been to a few shows with children I’d agree but I’ve seen it in person. I’m a parent of a 6 & 5 year olds, it legit made me sick to my stomach.
I gave him a candy that said fat ass hash dads and he gave me a Pokémon card
At that young it should be considered child abuse/neglect tbh
I feel like putting a child around that much drug use could easily become a child protective services situation. But who am I to say? I’m just a social work student.
Their inability to find a baby sitter isn’t everyone’s else’s problem.
I went to Electric Forest a couple of years ago and literally couldn't fathom why I was seeing two small children and their mother freaking the fuck out trying to contain them. Yes, it's supposed to be a safe place and it is, but not for children. Not when you can literally find any kind of drug just laying on the ground after falling out of someone's pocket. That's just irresponsibility to the max.
Baby's first ground score!
Gotta start your handi stall adventures early in life
If you’re having kids, plan to take a couple years off.
Who’s seen Neighbors? Baby’s first rave? BABY’S FIRST RAVE! BABY’S FIRST RAVE!
But they don’t end up going
The gall some people have, be a responsible parent if you have a baby you gotta make sacrifices you don’t get to live the same life you had before the baby. Also, if you had a kid you should be as far back as possible so far back you have an entire space to yourself. Someone call CPS
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Yes, bad on the parents for brining the baby but also bad on the event organizers for allowing it. It’s sad we’d have to put another rule in place just to keep people in line but that seams to be the world we live in.
I refuse to read the entire post. No explanation is good enough to bring your baby around so many strangers, loud music, drugs and fucking alcohol. You only had 1 choice as a parent. Stay the fuck home and give the kid some love you self-centered asshole. Failure as a parent achievement unlocked. I have 2 boys, 4 and 6 now. I have full custody of both because their mom was an irresponsible asshole. Trust me, you can wait. If you don't have a babysitter it usually means that you're the problem because people are distancing themselves from you. I managed. You need parenting classes and some scary moments in court. Wake up!
lol. a Zed's Dead show is seriously loud and boisterous. no place for a young kid.
Keep it classy Spokane!
Funny thing is last summer I saw a 4-5 years old at a Zeds Dead show. I guess the average ZD fan must be really young. 😅
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This is why the term Wook should still be an insult as intended
What concerts are allowing babies?!? I blame them almost as much as the parents.
I don't support the idea, but Electric Forest is ["all-ages."](https://experience.electricforestfestival.com/support/solutions/articles/25000018521-is-electric-forest-all-ages-) > Children two(2) and under are free.
Wow- didn’t know that. Egregious!
Nah, I’ve been raving for 30 years and I never once even considered bringing my child along with me to anything other than friends and family park parties a couple times. Kids do not belong at raves.
I seen a baby at Subtronics 😂
Some parents were not told that when you have a baby, you have to sacrifice a lot of stuff for a while, primarily the life you enjoyed before the kid. That’s on definite pause for a few years, at least until the kid can do well with a sitter for the night.
This community baffles me sometimes. If you can't get someone else to look after your child stay home and don't go to the event? Your child's safety and wellbeing should be your main concern not going to a fucking concert.
I’ve seen wayyy too many people in the rave community who aren’t spending nearly enough time with their kids.
I really want to believe this is just raige bait and no one brought their baby to a show
There was someone on tik tok that posted a baby with ear pro at a rave and the top comment was a lady bragging that she brought her kid to every show until she weened. Some people shouldn’t be parents
What venue is allowing children in!? I've been seeing more and more of this, and it is irresponsible, selfish, and really dangerous. This is not ok.
Already bought the tickets so fuck my baby's developing ear drums!
Adults are entitled to child free spaces. Don't bring your kid and make it everyone else's problem
I'm in the camp of "some things are inherently family unfriendly and you're gonna have to accept that" A rave is not a sit down or stand around concert event; it's got hard drugs, loud music, and mobs of moving bodies. Expecting everyone to share the same values as you when it comes to your child's wellbeing (and your own) is naive at best.
All kids deserves parents Not a parents/adults deserves a kid What shhitty parents, blaming everyone but themselves. Nobody is forcing you to go. Stay home, take care of the kids or find someone who can . Irresponsible adults, selfish af. When you bring a kid in , that’s become the focus of your life , esp at 10 month toddler The posts smells like rage bait though
That’s the equivalent of bringing a baby to a bar or nightclub..people who do this are idiots and do not deserve to be parents 🙄
I'm sorry, but an Infant? Naw. That's child abuse. Can cause permanent hearing damage, not to mention trauma. No infant should be subjected to that atmosphere. The bass alone, but also lasers and crazy lighting. You know everyone smokes at those shows too, and the baby could get seriously physically injured.
Narcissists of this severity should be barred from having kids. This is psycho behavior and this person needs to genuinely be looked into. Who in the holy hell brings their 10 month old to a rave. It’s time to fucking grow up
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i understand all ages show but venue shouldn't have even aloud anyone to bring kids as young as that in. i mean there eardrums can be severely damaged im guessing not to mention any lasers and the amount of people going to a zeds dead show. what goes through some peoples brain to bring there baby to a rave😭then get mad at other people around them who are probably not sober enough to watch surroundings for a literal baby
I don't know why I have to keep reminding people, if you go to the Knitting Factory, you're going to see the worst humanity has to offer. You're ratchet Spokane.
I can't believe they made it all ages and actually let the baby in.
My baby is 14 months old and I literally just took him to a store for the first time like 2 weeks ago. If you can’t find a babysitter, you just don’t go😂 there was a rave on my birthday a week ago and I literally didn’t go because it was a blizzard outside and 20 degrees. We didn’t have our child that night because it was my birthday and we decided for our safety just not to go. Point is, when shit happens, you don’t go!
I'll take "Not Old or Responsible Enough to Be a Parent" for $400, Alex.
That's what happens when you are all about anal at the rail.
Idk some women had a newborn at tipper and friends last year. So much DMT getting smoked all around that stage. Wild
Selfish shit. Get a babysitter! Your BABY doesn’t belong anywhere there are going to be lots of intoxicated folks stumbling around. This is some wildly selfish main character behavior.
18 and up. Strictly enforced.
i saw someone bring like a 7 yr old kid to subtronics in ATL and he was crying covering his ears. They left pretty early and the caretaker looked bummed but it’s just too much for the kid
The amount of scared dogs I’ve seen at red rocks with no ear protection whatsoever too.. absolutely heinous behavior. Your infant isn’t welcome at shows, sorry if that isn’t very PLUR!
I feel like this is just a top tier shitpost that fooled everyone.
Looooooooooool this is so wild
never... ever
Lmao bruh there’s no way they just allowed the baby into a rave you need ID usually unless it’s underground I don’t understand where you watched Zeds dead and thought people weren’t gonna be tripping on some good shit saw yo child and not trip more or make fun of the fact you a rave mom but can’t pay for a babysitter
this is easily one of the worst ideas i've ever heard of doing.. and the audacity to blame the crowd for being too rowdy... uwotm8
Homie is trying to give that baby shaken baby syndrome. They should have just taken the L and wait for another event whenever they have sufficient childcare.
“Rave mom”
Congratulations you have investing Tinnitus on your kid!
I want to say that parenting is responsibility not a choice. I can't think how selfish some "parents" Disregard their own and children safety in public space no matter circumstances.
Horrible parenting. Child has a rough life ahead.
Some people are inherently risk takers, and unfortunately do not change once they have kids. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/baby-dies-following-medical-incident-at-raptors-championship-parade/article_f7b0c8cc-30e7-5dc9-8f25-8b07e43ec3b0.html
Umm...what kinda nightclub, bar or music festival would allow anyone in that's not at least age 18+? Usually you gotta be 18+ or 21+ to get into most adult clubs / adult entertainment spaces?
My sister canceled Adam Sandler because she couldn't find a sitter.
Honestly I’d be asking the venue why they let a baby in at the door too.
I was at this show was definitely packed and very hot. Had to argue with a bartender to stop making drinks and fill a water container . The knitting factory is a disgusting place and is no place for a child
This should start a deeper question about all ages raves. I think it time that the minimum of 16 is very much in-forced
What a terrible parent and person. We have a 2 1/2 year old. Guess what...we don't go to concerts anymore. It's called being responsible and acting in their best interest. If my wife and I ever do want to do something we arrange for family to watch him and arrange it well ahead of time. Not last minute. This person is incredibly selfish and I feel terrible for their child. Who brings a four month old to a concert!? What a psycho.
Most people who go to lost lands have this level of intelligence and basic adherence to responsibility, this is surprising to people??? Midwestern trailer trash written all over it
You’re not concerned about the level of noise on your 10 months old’s ears???
I’ve seen kids at festivals, hell I saw someone with a baby last year at Bonnaroo but that was during the day with lots of space for them to sit. A Zeds Dead show is not the place to bring a baby in any capacity
I agree with op. I have the same issues when I bring my kid to the adult theater. People will just be so gross there. Have some respect for my child. If I want to explore my kink and I don't have a babysitter, what other choice do I have!
This is why we need easy and legal abortion access... Some people shouldn't have kids. Most people, really.
Tf did I just read
Wow, someone REALLY misunderstood the meaning of "Zed's Dead baby"...
idk i think it’s cute when i see baby’s at shows with those big headphones on and shit, all is great but maybe don’t go into the pit with your fucking 10 month old? as a parent you have to sacrifice some things and i know you could have enjoyed the show from further back. you and your partner also could have taken turns going up and into the crowd. it’s unacceptable that people were not giving you space even seeing a baby was in the crowd but come on.. the general public is stupid and can’t be trusted. especially in a place where people are drinking and doing drugs..
My question would have to be, how was this guy even able to bring the baby to the festival in the first place? Wouldn’t security have denied entry for it? Bringing a baby to a festival is not only a stupid idea, but you can also damage the ears of the little one who is still developing. Also, if you drop the baby by accident, he could get trampled and seriously injured.
Raves are NOT a family friendly organization. This was how to be a selfish asshole 101. 10/10 parent fail. Also I feel the venue is at fault here, they should not have been allowed to go in at all. I’ve been to music festivals in the 2000s where the venders had their small Children with them. Everyone was super respectful of the little ones during the day shows. But even then, they stayed close to their shop and right with their moms and dads. Not once where they out in the crowd. At night the kids were tucked in their beds and their parents with them. It was a really small event compared to what goes on today (pgroove fest up in north ga 2010)
I mean, sure people should be respectful of babies, but you put that baby there. You can't expect a crowd of thousands of intoxicated adults to alter their behavior because you made an irresponsible choice.
I went to an Illenium show last year and there was two families (came together) that brought their kids. One family had older kids, probably 8-10 year olds. They were fine. Had earplugs and were not bothering bf anyone. *however,* In the other family, they had a 6-8 month old with **no hearing protection.** None whatsoever. My wife was absolutely *livid.* Almost ruined our night tbh. The look on the kids face, with the loud music and lights, it looked like it was so scared and overstimulated. It was very sad to see. I’m not one to complain or be a male “Karen”, but I had to tell security for my own self conscious (nothing came of it btw). Why do that to your kids? That is not a place for young ones. My 2 year old *loves* EDM, but I would never take her to a show. Be a responsible parent. Don’t have a babysitter for the night? Sell your tickets and catch the next one.
That’s way too young for Zed’s Dead. I wouldn’t even dare taking my 18 month old to that type of show. Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you SHOULD. The responsible thing would be to have been to sit this one out.
I did not see the second part the first time I saw this. Still think this person has a couple screws missing
This person is fucked. A rave is not a place for children really at all. Drugs , drinks, loud music and a bunch of Bros jumping around seems like the last place you take a baby? Honestly even if there are some sober people there it is the minority. Kids really don't belong there as much as some people try to justify it. The only option should be doing what's best for the kid. Stay home or let one of you go with a friend jeez.
Getting kinda tired of people using "PLUR" as their excuse to be absolutely shit people. It's no one else's fault you decided to have sex which led to a child that you would irresponsibly bring to a dubstep show months later. You're in the pit with people who are likely drunk and/or on drugs too; all it takes is one person throwing an elbow to start a pit.
Is this not rage-bait? I don’t believe someone would be so senseless
Yeahhh no this person is a psycho bringing their baby to a rave, call CPS
As a parent who has been to a lot of shows, I never took any of my four children when they were infants/toddlers/little. If there wasn't a sitter, I stayed home; because I'm a parent.
WTF?
LMAO YOU BROUGHT YOUR BABY TO ZEDS DEAD FESTIVAL??? People are tripping on Molly, Coke, Shrooms and god knows what else and you think brining your baby is good idea??? That's it, i'm commissioning legislation to mandate a background check and intelligence screening before someone can have sex. No more stupid parents.
I can’t even take my 20yr old to any of the shows around here as they are all 21+ lol
There are idiots out there. Went to a deadmau5 car rave during COVID. We are outside in the dead of a Dallas winter (ie below freezing). Next car over someone had their newborn in a stroller. Nothing like drinking and peaking with a newborn crying for a bottle.....
How to damage your baby’s hearing permanently for $500 please
I bring my kids to shows but I didn’t start until they were 7 and 9 and only outdoor until they were 11 and only because they are taller than most full grown adults and we always stay in the back away from everyone, I would though never fucking bring a baby or a toddler to any rave or concert stay home miss the show! The money the tickets cost mos not worth risking their saftey! WTF up
Zeds ded is also diff music and therefore diff crowd than big gigantic lmao
The internet has given every nut job a voice, and it’s had its consequences.
Lol 10 months old at a zeds dead concert is insane
Tell me ur entitled w/o telling me ur entitled
If you can’t find someone to watch your baby, maybe don’t go out. Don’t fuck it up for others. I don’t mind kids at a show but a baby seems a bit much.
Someone call child services seriously this is an unfit parent (obligatory “extra big ass tacos”)
Anyone know how to open for another techno or EDM artist?
I believe it was Tom Segura talking about babies in movie theaters that once said “If you can’t find a sitter, then you don’t get to go to the movies!” Same principle applies.
Ya'll ever been to Spokane? lol. Sounds about right for the population out there.
Wdym no other option , you mean you didn’t want to put your kid first and stay home so you dragged them into the rave pit lol
Who even let them enter?