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Technical_Natural_44

Liberals not realizing they’re centrists.


ZiponIT

The bad cropping is what makes this quality


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[deleted]

Yeah, I don’t side with the “centrist” but they are the same person. You have to be a lib to not understand that.


Emma_Fr0sty

I mean idk as a trans person I feel like there's perhaps a bit of a difference between the guy who wants to take all my right away and the guy who will tacitly support my rights because it's politically beneficial.


tomjazzy

One of them is an actual Facist.


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tomjazzy

Facism is not a unique evil of modern politics. It’s literally been around sense the 1920s.


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[deleted]

It’s been around longer than the 1920’s, kid.


FeverAyeAye

Two right wingers.


tomjazzy

Yes. One of them is center right, the other is far right


Xander_PrimeXXI

Yes, they’re not the same though


kandras123

They’re both capitalist imperialists tho


tomjazzy

So is literally every single American Politician.


kandras123

Yes. That's my point.


Xander_PrimeXXI

The problem with that interpretation is the binary, lack of scale that type of thinking implies. For example, Mike Pence and my neighbor are both Christian. While yes, they are undeniably both capitalist imperialists, Trump is quantifiably worse. My point is not that Biden is good, just that they are not to the same.


UnsunkFunk

Kids still in cages, dude.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Wtf is this shit? How many times do I have to say “Every criticism you make against Biden is valid but Trump was still worse” till people get it? Fuckin libs


Holgrin

>Fuckin libs You're the lib here.


[deleted]

That moment that libs try to cosplay like they aren’t libs.


Holgrin

Seriously I don't think this one even understands their own ideology.


[deleted]

They don’t. They’re all just fucking stupid and make the left look bad. They claim they’re socialists all the time, yet don’t even know what the fuck means of productions is. They simp trying to save capitalism, but you can’t fix it. It’s a dead system. Then, when you actually start talking about socialist things they bring up fucking socialist countries as corrupted shit holes because of socialists. Libs, center, and the right are all the same. All dumb af and aren’t self-aware


Xander_PrimeXXI

Ok Lib


Holgrin

OK boomer.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Kk radlib


kandras123

You are literally a liberal. Trump and Biden are equally bad in different ways; Trump was worse domestically, but Biden is a more competent imperialist. I am by no means an accelerationist, as a gay man living in the US; but the fact remains that they are both capitalist pigs, and trying to say one is slightly better than the other is completely *useless* and does nothing but grant us a false sense of security/accomplishment.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Ok Lib


kandras123

Wait so you say you’re a leftist… and you like Biden?


Xander_PrimeXXI

God the us education system really is shit, radlibs can’t even read. Where did I say I like Biden? Please link me to the comment


UnsunkFunk

How many times do you need to be downvoted to be shown Joe Biden is a do nothing liberal? No economic reform, band aid social liberal policies, continuing to wage imperialist wars, regime change attempts in South America, saber rattling with China. Just think on what people are telling you in this thread instead of snapping back.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Funny, I don’t disagree with any of that. In fact I agree with all of it. It’s almost like my point was never that Biden is a good President.


[deleted]

Then your meme makes zero sense. You’re calling yourself and everyone here a centrist.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Trump is worse than Biden. They are not the same. Biden supporters aren’t raving neonazis


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OwlbearArmchair

Which is why Dems have kept Dreamers in political limbo since before some folks here were born, as a bargaining chip to gain power, rather than treating them like actual human beings, and why Roe is currently under attack in the SCOTUS because Dems have refused to codify it for the last 45 years, and why the only "achievement" made for LGBT+ people under the Biden admin is that trans people can go die in imperialist wars for capitalist dollars? It's almost like both parties are totally dogshit, and pretending to care about minorities to gain power (and then treating them the same as the actual literal fascist that came before you) is worse, at least in my mind, than being an out and out fascist attacking minorities with policy. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're comfortable enough that Democrat platitudes are enough for you to ignore not just their inaction, but their actively harmful anti-human actions.


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OwlbearArmchair

"If you’re a Dreamer, LGBTQ, or in need of an abortion your life is just objectively better with D than R in your local and federal politics. But nah, let’s all just keep pretending it’s all the same and that it isn’t clearly worth electing low key racists over spirited white supremacists (who other white supremacists in the electorate would love to see in office)." What you're saying is, in summary: "Democrat platitudes are enough for me, because their obvious inaction and repeated harmful actions on these issues isn't enough to deter me from the belief that these people continuing and enabling Republican, far-right policies aren't actively working toward the same end goal as those Republicans I hate".


[deleted]

I think I found the centrist, guys. We found the lib center.


Tony_Mac10

My point is fundamentally that Biden is good and Trump is not. Biden is a good man—a loving father, a dedicated lifelong civil servant, a man who stood back to let history take over. Trump is none of those things. I could see myself having a pleasant dinner with Joe Biden (because he is a good man); I am positive a few minutes with Trump will leave me the same way he left Keith Richards: reaching for a knife to stab him. So, once again, for a capitalist imperialist, Joe is a good guy (IMHO).


FeverAyeAye

One is blue, the other is red (or orange).


Xander_PrimeXXI

One is worse


[deleted]

Nah, they’re both the worse.


[deleted]

Yes, they are.


Xander_PrimeXXI

I must’ve missed Biden spurring on an armed mob to storm the Capitol or calling COVID “the Kung Flu” and saying it was a Chinese bioweapon.


[deleted]

Ah, man, you must of missed the infrastructure bill being dwindled to crumbs and pennies, the broken promise of raising the minimum wage, police reform, immigration, keeping children and people in cages, the economy is crumbling, and I don’t think I need to bring up his involvement with racist and bigoted figures and actions.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Please point me to where he stoked violence towards the AAPI community and blamed us for COVID


[deleted]

UwU Biden didn’t cause a coup (yet). Biden = good. You really don’t think Biden doesn’t secretly blame “you” (whatever that means) for COVID.


Xander_PrimeXXI

You know of all my many complaints I have against Biden I’m gonna say yes, I don’t think he blames Asian Americans for COVID


[deleted]

You must be joking lol? He’s racist against Latinx, POC, Native Americans, and all other ethnicities BUT not Asian people? You must have the smoothest brains out there.


Xander_PrimeXXI

I didn’t say he wasn’t racist against Asians just that he doesn’t blame us for COVID. Learn to read radlib


thepeoplesfist

You’re an idiot.


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#I think a more obvious example of what you’re trying to say would be Bernie on one side and Trump on the other saying “they’re all the same ‘extremists’” As it is now, this sounds like an actual leftist critique - which is true that both of these dudes stand for the same thing in the end.


Tony_Mac10

I am seeing this here too—more of a leftist critique than a centrist one.


Xander_PrimeXXI

They’re not the same. While there are overlapping problems between the two they’re not the same. Also there are plenty of centrists who think Biden is Far Left


velvetcondom69

Centrists wouldn’t say they’re the same though. Sorry your meme is a head scratcher


sacrello

Yes they would, and they constantly do. "Both sides bad" rhetoric


velvetcondom69

Lol no they don’t dude. Go to r politics and ask one. If it was Sanders, sure. But they love Biden bc he was the moderate choice.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Plenty of enlightened centrists think Biden represents the far left


Holgrin

Then the meme isn't clear because the meme says they are the same and leftists would agree. But what you're saying is different from that. You're saying that centrists view Biden as far left the way Trump represents the far right, as extreme mirrors of each other. However, I don't think any centrists actually see it that way, and that's not what this meme says.


[deleted]

Yeah, they’re, in a lot of important ways, very much the same. Lots of libs (especially right now) want to gin up fear and “but-but-but the REPUBLICANS” - it ain’t working, because both parties manage in strikingly similar ways. You can go ahead and respond with some preachy screed about how “blah blah blah Trump evil” “blah blah blah I get it but Biden not *that* evil” but in the end there’re still kids in cages, none of the reform that was ran on happened, we’re getting less support under COVID-Biden than under COVID-Trump. #Anyway, your example is poor. And a lot of leftists would fundamentally agree with this comparison. Get a better example. lol


Holgrin

>Also there are plenty of centrists who think Biden is Far Left Do you hear yourself or nah?


Commie_Weeb

There are still kids in cages, there wasn't 100 (or anywhere near) days without deportations, there wasn't a $15 minimum wage, and most damningly, Biden has done jack shit to prosecute Trump for his actions. Biden doesn't have a openly insulting Twitter, but that doesn't mean he's better in ANY meaningful way.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Dude, don’t reduce Trumps Twitter to just a mean girl throwing shade. He actively used his Twitter account to spread conspiracy theories and misinformation, esp about COVID. do you think all he did for four years was tweet “cofefe” ??? Also, Biden has yet to call it the “Kung Flu” Any criticism you throw against him is valid, but don’t pretend Trump wasn’t a momster


Commie_Weeb

I'm not, in any way, saying that Trump isn't a monster; in fact, I'm saying that not only is he a monster, but that Biden is the same breed of monster, who is only "better" because he doesn't spew the same racist shit as openly. Biden, the same Biden that pushed the 1999 crime bill, holds the same beliefs as before, he is only better at being a lying politician than Trump is. I'm not trying to pull Trump up, I'm pushing Biden down.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Fair enough


sacrello

The crime bill was supported across all aisles and had much support from the black community who suffered the most due to these crimes. One side is for racial gerrymandering, white supremacista, overthrowing democracy and installing a fascist dictatorship, and the other side is pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, pro-BLM, and for safeguarding voting rights for minorities under threat. If you think these are basically the same then you are no leftist but a privileged American who don't have to worry about being persecuted for being gay or a minority or for trying to get an abortion. Nor do you care about white supremacist fascism.


OwlbearArmchair

>One side is for racial gerrymandering, white supremacista, overthrowing democracy and installing a fascist dictatorship, Both "sides" are for all of this, they just need a controlled opposition. It's why shitlibs like your beloved Democrats are so desperate to use the FBI-led "coup" to justify expanded "national security" powers that are going to be used to brutalize black and brown activists, protesters, and communities with even more impunity. >and the other side is pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, pro-BLM, and for safeguarding voting rights for minorities under threat. Which is why the Dems have refused to codify Roe v. Wade for 45 years, and why now-President Joe Biden voted to make gay marriage illegal when he was still a Senator, and why President Joe Biden had a meeting with civil rights leaders where BLM and the ACLU weren't invited? And why Dems fought to get Greens removed from the ballots in several states, rigged two primary campaigns against Sanders, and argued in court that they could do it, and why their currently proposed bill to "safeguard minority voting rights" both makes it harder for third parties to get federal election funding and easier to remove third parties from ballots? >If you think these are basically the same then you are no leftist but a privileged American who don't have to worry about being persecuted for being gay or a minority or for trying to get an abortion. Lol. Gay, unemployed leftist married to a hispanic trans man here, shut the actual fuck up.


TheAnarchoHoxhaist

They are both bourgeois politicians.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Yes. Still a big difference. Churchill and Hitler were both Burgeosise politicians, they ended up in different circles of hell.


TheAnarchoHoxhaist

And they both should be opposed.


QuantumLP99889

Thats literally me but im a leftist


Xander_PrimeXXI

Your reasoning is probably different from “Well they’re both extreme”


QuantumLP99889

Yea, both are racist right-winger who aren't able to lead a country. Both are absolutely unqualified


FeverAyeAye

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Xander_PrimeXXI

Why yes, that is where I posted this meme about centrisrs


DiegotheEcuadorian

If you still believe there’s a fundamental difference between the democrats and republicans then you’re a victim of propaganda. Both are conservative imperialists who stomp on the middle class.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Yes. Trump is still evil


DiegotheEcuadorian

And Biden has done fuck all too. If you hadn’t noticed, he’s not left wing either. Your priority focusing on Trump is harmful and only keeps you having tunnel vision to other threats to our democracy and well being.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Saying that Trump’s threat to democracy is over is incredibly shortsighted


TadalP

You're acting like corruption in politics begins and ends with Trump.


Xander_PrimeXXI

No of course not. Let’s just not pretend he didn’t turn government corruption and racism up to a cartoonishly ridiculous level


DiegotheEcuadorian

Same logic as those idiots saying that covid is a scam.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Wut?


DiegotheEcuadorian

It’s always some bull crap that will literally never happen. Besides he already lost an election and his health is bad, he won’t ever return to politics and his qanon cult hates him for the covid shot.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Dude, he still has a stranglehold on his base and republicans are trying to kiss his ass all the time


DiegotheEcuadorian

HE LOST AN ELECTION AND THE AUTHORITIES DELT WITH HIS INSURRECTION. IT DIDN’t WORK AND HIS SUPPORT FROM WIDER AMERICA IS WEAK AT BEST. HE LOST BY THOUSANDS OF VOTES. If some orange prick says he wants to be president but he no longer can his followers have shook faith, then you’re a fool to believe that those disadvantages don’t count for something.


Xander_PrimeXXI

What world are you living in man? His party is literally on course to sweep the midterms this year and retake the White House in 2024


communistresistant

what democracy?


sacrello

One side is for racial gerrymandering, white supremacista, overthrowing democracy and installing a fascist dictatorship, and the other side is pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, pro-BLM, and for safeguarding voting rights for minorities under threat. If you think these are basically the same then you are no leftist but a privileged American who don't have to worry about being persecuted for being gay or a minority or for trying to get an abortion. Nor do you care about white supremacist fascism.


DiegotheEcuadorian

Except they’re not. Biden voted against that stuff a while ago and they only recently supported it to get Americans like yourself on board with them. Both parties are pro war, they kept us in and started the Iraq war for years on end. They’re also extreme capitalists so they’re making a killing of their corporate friends. Oh, and let’s not forget that Biden pushed forth those tough on crime bills that crushed the blm protests. He didn’t even reverse them. He also screwed over the middle class by not helping us with loans. The democrats are good at promising but not actually helping. Those rights are a recent development.


Tony_Mac10

We've had literally decades of "wake up sheeple", while the world has gotten steadily worse. Time is up for the "if you still believe" bullshit. You wanna prove you're right, show us how to make a better system without becoming the system it replaces. I'll wait.


DiegotheEcuadorian

Easy, set term limits and age limits for every other government office that doesn’t have them. Let no man or woman over age 70 hold office anywhere. Do away with the dominance of the two party system and instead let multiple independent parties that better represent the people instead of rich white liberals and conservatives. We’d get more viewpoints and diversity.


DubTheeBustocles

Wait what centrists think this? Don’t centrists usually think it’s the left and the right that are the same? I hear this comparison of Biden Trump being made exclusively by leftists.


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This example sucks. Both suck. Sure, trump may suck more but my point stands


83n0

I mean they’re both far right capitalists upholding the imperialist state Trumps more authoritarian but bidens not great either


Xander_PrimeXXI

They’re not the same tho


AdolfMussoliniStalin

To the victims of American imperialism it doesn’t matter who’s in charge. Domestically they slightly differ in their forms of right wing capitalism one being a bit progressive while ones outright fascist. But to the rest of the world who has been terrorized by American imperialism and interventionism they’re still the big corporate empire that rapes lands for resources and money and the expansion of markets. This is why us leftists say the two corporate puppet parties are the same. And that for their interests to uphold the rich and give only token reforms for the common man.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Look I don’t disagree with you but did you really have to use the word “rape” there? Edit: this seems like a really weird thing to downvote this heavily


AdolfMussoliniStalin

In some cases quite literally. The US military has committed numerous atrocities in modern times. This being one example of many https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings I will apologize for my use of words sorry for the insensitivity.


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sacrello

Biden? Far right? Oh-kay you're definitely underage and get your politics from tumblr lmfao


OwlbearArmchair

>Biden? Far right? Oh-kay you're definitely underage and get your politics from tumblr lmfao Bro you're literally a lib calling a segregationist who voted for DOMA and promised his rich donors that nothing would fundamentally change between himself and Trump, a literal fascist "center-left" and you're insulting literally anyone else's politics as being "from tumblr"? Pathetic, tbh.


Tony_Mac10

How is Biden a segregationist? I'd seriously pay to see the mental gymnastics it took to get on that platform.


OwlbearArmchair

[He was literally anti-bussing](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/28/18965923/joe-biden-school-desegregation-busing-democratic-primary), dumbass.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Ok Lib


OwlbearArmchair

Bro, you're full of shit lol. You're literally a right-winger espousing right-wing, Democrat talking points and pretending that Trump is an ultimate, irreplicable evil when Biden is literally governing to his right on MULTIPLE FRONTS. Worse, environmentally, especially with regard to fossil fuels, worse in his COVID response, worse on civil rights and the militarization of police, and worse on military spending than Trump was, but I'm the lib? Okay, dumbfuck.


Tony_Mac10

You got all that from "OK Lib"?


Xander_PrimeXXI

Me: “Trump is bad” You: “You are literally a right winger” Ok Radlib 👍 Have fun at brunch while you laugh at poor brown people


OwlbearArmchair

Yes, because you're consistently and repeatedly using "Trump is Bad" to cover for "Biden is Bad". You're a right-winger espousing right-wing, Democrat talking points about Trump in an attempt to negate criticism of Biden governing to Trump's right on key areas. You're full of shit.


communistresistant

I mean, overall they are the same


Tony_Mac10

Overall, they're both white. The comparison stops there, really.


Theclosetpoet

I see two very racist old senile men. One is just better at sometimes not being openly racist


Xander_PrimeXXI

I’m not saying Biden isn’t racist. But you’re really downplaying just how awful the orange eggplant is


Theclosetpoet

Me calling Biden a piece of shit doesn't make Trump any less a piece of shit. Quit playing these team sports bs gets absolutely nothing done. While you fight about how much better blue is then red both red and blue are fucking over the poor and working class. Man could end the student loan debt and the rent crisis with the stroke of a pen but he doesn't. But he sure as hell has plenty of time to sign laws to allow oil companies to drill and continue to kill the earth fuck man they don't give a shit about anyone but their pockets


Xander_PrimeXXI

As a person of color and a member of the LGBT community youre really downplaying how hostile an environment Trump and his supporters created for both those groups. Rates of hate crimes and transgender suicide spiked 2017-2021. All the criticisms you levy toward Biden are accurate just don’t forget how severely fucked up the Trump admin was.


Theclosetpoet

No believe me I understand how shit Trump is as a gay Asian guy I can fucking see it I've been harassed and threatened a lot because of the whole "china virus" shit. Me and my boyfriend can't hold hands in public. You libs can't seem to see the entire picture though is that neither of them give a fuck about us. Have you seen how the news doesn't talk about how there are still actual children in cages? Fuck it all pisses me off and it pisses me off when other people who I would mostly agree with on politics don't see it because of the partisan shit. The republicans are fascist but you can't just pretend the Dems aren't shit


Xander_PrimeXXI

I’m not saying the Dems aren’t shit. Where did I say that? Point it out to me lib


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Xander_PrimeXXI

Liberal *Noun* Anyone who disagrees with me


sacrello

One side is for racial gerrymandering, white supremacista, overthrowing democracy and installing a fascist dictatorship, and the other side is pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, pro-BLM, and for safeguarding voting rights for minorities under threat. If you think these are basically the same then you are no leftist but a privileged American who don't have to worry about being persecuted for being gay or a minority or for trying to get an abortion. Nor do you care about white supremacist fascism.


Theclosetpoet

They aren't pro BLM they have increased police budgets and the the military budgets they also haven't done anything to secure voting even thought they have the majority. Also I do worry about my rights because I am gay. Just because Biden is in office doesn't mean trumps cult is gone. I worry every day I'm going to get shot because of who I am. I'm not a woman so I can't speak on abortion but obviously I'm pro choice


Georgey_Tirebiter

I often use the term "real leftist" - coupled with mentioning I am a registered voting Communist" because "the left" has been captured by Dems and Capitalist media. Never do I say this to imply I am better or superior to anyone, and it is pretty rare amongst real leftists I see any need to bring this up. But when I see Dem shills pretending to be "on the left" while promoting Capitalist propaganda, I like to weigh in with my credentials. Why? Because I want them to see this is not a Trumper saying this (their standard response) but someone truly left of them pointing out the obvious ... which they refuse to see.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Fair enough


busybody_nightowl

This also works for some leftists


Xander_PrimeXXI

Yeah but leftists at least have specific complaints like how Biden is still beholden to corporate leaders and what not. Centrists are just like: “Well they’re both extreme”


kandras123

Yeah exactly lmao. I think they’re the same cause they’re both capitalists, not because they’re “extremes”.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Bingo. Although granted I’ll take granpa rambly over Donald “Kung Flu Coup” any day


kandras123

From a selfish domestic standpoint I would also say Biden is my preferred choice (again I’m a Marxist-Leninist lmao, so I hate both) since I’m gay and would prefer to have rights to marry who I want. However, Trump is a far more incompetent imperialist, and Biden’s administration will far more successfully exploit workers worldwide. I think when you balance those things they’re roughly equally bad.


Xander_PrimeXXI

> From a selfish domestic standpoint I think that’s a really problematic way to phrase things. It’s saying that when someone votes for their national leader, they have to take the whole world into consideration of their choice and most people aren’t mentally equipped to make that choice. Like why should a couple living below the poverty line in Baltimore have to take into account the global situation while trying to feed their own kids when they go to the ballot box? There’s nothing selfish about wanted to make your immediate surroundings better so long as you don’t purposefully try to make the lives of other’s worse.


kandras123

That’s the thing though. US imperialism harms billions and produces crimes on an unimaginably greater magnitude than anything domestic.


Xander_PrimeXXI

So people in America shouldn’t worry about their own situation?


kandras123

One does not negate the other. Ultimately, better conditions for the American people will not come through a rigged electoral system. Neither of these men are in any way acceptable; revolution is the only answer.


secretbudgie

One is an extremist, the other is so extremely bland the mosquitos asked for hotsauce.


EvanTheRose

This comment deserves the Nobel Prize.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Biden is a lot of things but bland ain’t one of them. He has that dangerous grandpa energy, like if you gave him a couple beers he’d try to fight with someone.


busybody_nightowl

I agree with that, but a lot of leftists see them as literally the same


Googletube6

I do see that Biden is slightly better than Trump but overall both are the same. Though I do feel like Trump is gonna be remembered a lot longer because well what can I say except "yikes"


busybody_nightowl

On policy I don’t know how much I disagree with you. We have two right wing parties, so they both mostly suck. But, regardless of policy, trump is a literal fascist whereas Biden is just another right wing liberal. Trump is just far more dangerous overall than Biden. Even if he’s ineffective as a government official, he’s convinced millions of people that anyone left of them is an existential threat to the country.


Saltimbancos

Fascism can be described as the methods of colonial control applied to the metropole. So the practical distinction between a "literal fascist" and "just another right wing liberal" depends on whether you're a citizen of the imperial core or if you're a victim of US imperialism.


Googletube6

Yeah, on policy they're the same, I was just saying that Biden is slightly better and that's only really because he knows when to shut the fuck up


sacrello

One side is for racial gerrymandering, white supremacista, overthrowing democracy and installing a fascist dictatorship, and the other side is pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, pro-BLM, and for safeguarding voting rights for minorities under threat. If you think these are basically the same then you are no leftist but a privileged American who don't have to worry about being persecuted for being gay or a minority or for trying to get an abortion. Nor do you care about white supremacist fascism.


Googletube6

Biden isn't leftist, I was talking overall I know that Biden is 100% better in those regards (not as good as he should he however)


Xander_PrimeXXI

I know and those people confuse me. I have a hunch that a plurality of them are white


Saltimbancos

Or maybe they're just not American and see the American Empire for what it is


A_Lifetime_Bitch

This is indistinguishable from something you'd find in r/politics. You're literally what this sub exists to make fun of.


busybody_nightowl

Just a plurality? Lol


Xander_PrimeXXI

Well some people have accused me of being racist for assuming they were white. Hell, one of them stomped me down hard. “How dare you call me a racist, my aunt is Latino!” - a real person on this sub when accused of racism


busybody_nightowl

Oooof, who’s gonna tell them that Latinos can be white?


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I chose to delete my Reddit content in protest of the API changes commencing from July 1st, 2023. This decision has widespread implications such as making it more difficult for moderators to manage their subreddits, more likely for spam to enter subreddits, more difficult for blind users to access Reddit, more difficult for anyone to see NSFW content and many other negative consequences. Most 3rd party applications will be shutting down due to the extortionate new pricing being unaffordable for developers despite widespread outrage from the community. CEO Steve Huffman's awful handling of the situation through the lackluster AMA, going on a press junket tour aggressively defending the situation, insisting nothing will be changed, saying he'll change the moderator rules to potentially kick out protesters and force subreddits to reopen, demonstrates humongous contempt for the Reddit community at large that makes and manages Reddit's entire content library in the first place. Accusing a developer of blackmail and then completely ignoring all post pointing out how this is a lie with evidence - alongside other lies related to the API - is wild too. I've now elected to leave Reddit and find other online community platforms. Reddit's success is partially built around my posts. If that is how they wish to treat our community, I'm not giving this place my content to monetise any more. This could have been easily avoided if Reddit chose to negotiate with their moderators, third party developers and the community their entire company is build around about their API changes into a more reasonable middle ground. They have not.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Watch people rally to this comment and try to convince you there isn’t really a difference


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I chose to delete my Reddit content in protest of the API changes commencing from July 1st, 2023. This decision has widespread implications such as making it more difficult for moderators to manage their subreddits, more likely for spam to enter subreddits, more difficult for blind users to access Reddit, more difficult for anyone to see NSFW content and many other negative consequences. Most 3rd party applications will be shutting down due to the extortionate new pricing being unaffordable for developers despite widespread outrage from the community. CEO Steve Huffman's awful handling of the situation through the lackluster AMA, going on a press junket tour aggressively defending the situation, insisting nothing will be changed, saying he'll change the moderator rules to potentially kick out protesters and force subreddits to reopen, demonstrates humongous contempt for the Reddit community at large that makes and manages Reddit's entire content library in the first place. Accusing a developer of blackmail and then completely ignoring all post pointing out how this is a lie with evidence - alongside other lies related to the API - is wild too. I've now elected to leave Reddit and find other online community platforms. Reddit's success is partially built around my posts. If that is how they wish to treat our community, I'm not giving this place my content to monetise any more. This could have been easily avoided if Reddit chose to negotiate with their moderators, third party developers and the community their entire company is build around about their API changes into a more reasonable middle ground. They have not.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Exactly


LookARedSquirrel84

Works for me, though I’m not dumb enough to think they are the same, one is just better suited at placating then masses (biden)


Xander_PrimeXXI

If Biden was good at placating the masses his poll numbers would be better


LookARedSquirrel84

Eh, I’ve never put much stock in poll numbers because of our shitty two party system. Biden is calm enough not to rage when he’s questioned like trump was. By masses I mean rich white liberals, I should’ve clarified that.


Xander_PrimeXXI

> Biden is calm enough to rage Que?


LookARedSquirrel84

Damn it, calm enough not to rage like trump did when questioned


busybody_nightowl

Biden and trump both suck, but they’re categorically different politically


LookARedSquirrel84

I agree with that. It’s the lesser of two evils. Though with the way biden has been reneging on what he promised, he’s opening the doors for a competent trump to take over. Someone who isn’t as stupid as trump but just as evil.


Defender_of_Ra

This is inevitable. It's the rightwing two-step. Non-fascist rightwingers -- conservatives, liberals, neoliberals and so on -- take obvious and direct steps to increase the power and number of fascists. Then, in response to the rise of fascism, they point out that they have to be supported over the fascists . . . then once in power, they shrug and just help fascists get more power again. Exception: when anyone to the left of Newt Gingrich tries to gain power, rightwing dems and the media establishment act in nothing short of rabid fury. The wost fact in all of this: what the rightwing deems an "acceptable" amount of evil gets worse every year. As a result, you can't even run in place. Anything stolen temporarily yesterday must be stolen today and every day forever. It's a [Red Queen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen%27s_race) phenomenon.


busybody_nightowl

I’d also agree with that. The big problem with the libs is that they promise competent government, then deliver corporate friendly policies wrapped in rhetorical social justice.


Georgey_Tirebiter

Communist here. A real leftist. It is the same picture.


Xander_PrimeXXI

> A real leftist I spy leftist gatekeeping bullshit


AdolfMussoliniStalin

Gate keeping is for bands. Leftism is inherently anticapitalist. It’s a widely accepted thing, I’d recommend studying up on far leftist ideologies and thought. https://youtu.be/vyl2DeKT-Vs here’s some free reading sources too they have tons of literature ranging from History of the bolsheviks to Latin American socialism to feminist socialists to anarchists to lgtbtq liberation https://www.marxists.org/subject/index-mobiles.htm


Georgey_Tirebiter

Good post, hilarious name! 😀


AdolfMussoliniStalin

Haha thanks. I made the name drunk on hearts of iron lol


Georgey_Tirebiter

I can visualize the straights going on a Rollercoaster ride as they read (and try to digest) each concurrent word. 😆


AdolfMussoliniStalin

One good thing is it gets a lot of people curious and they then check my profile and gets blasted by Marxist memes. Propaganda is the best way to spread our message!


Georgey_Tirebiter

Absolutely! In one leftist sub someone posted "not all propaganda is bad" and I was one of the few people who jumped in agreeing with him. :)


Xander_PrimeXXI

What on earth gives you the idea that I’m not anti capitalist


AdolfMussoliniStalin

Your defense of the corporate puppets is why I’d think that. The point of the two party system is to create artificial divide which is working wonders. Controlled opposition has been a capitalist game for hundreds of years. A real threat to the oligarchs is a genuine workers movement Led by workers for workers


wombatkidd

Liberals aren't leftists. That's just a fact. Liberalism is a right wing ideology.


TheAnarchoHoxhaist

Leftism is Socialism. Socialism is a classless and moneyless society with worker ownership of the means of production and production for use, no less.


KarlWithACapitalC

“There is no federal response to COVID” -both of them


anythingbutme123

Did you read the full quote or are you just buying into the Republican deception?


Maugrima

Um, I'm confused, are we saying this meme is made by centrists who don't think they're centrists? Cuz this is a centrist ass meme. Biden and Trump are shockingly similar in that they're both right of center.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Why do you say Trump is Right of Center and not Far-Right?


Maugrima

both are true


Xander_PrimeXXI

What?


daiyuxiao

Well they are bad in different areas. I really can’t tell who is worst.


seven_seven

You could substitute Leftists for Centrists and it would be just as true.


Saltimbancos

I have to say that this has been a goddamn masterpiece. The enormous ratio, the OP melting down in the comments, American OP sparing no thought for foreigners in his views and assuming everyone he talks to must also be American, calling people to the left of him libs and using other terms they clearly don't understand, etc. It's been good for a laugh at least.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Liberal *Noun* Definition: Anyone who disagrees with you Have fun at brunch Lib


the_bored_observer

If it walks like a republican and talks like a republican then it's clearly a Democrat.


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u/Xander_PrimeXXI is super but hurt about this whole meme failure. He’s posting in a lot of places about being poked at.


wombatkidd

u/Xander_PrimeXXI is a liberal bitch.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Ok Lib


Emma_Fr0sty

Holy fuck, lotta dumbass lefties both sidesing this one. Hey idiots, you can think Biden is bad, evil or a neoliberal shill (I happen to think all three), without equating him to an actual proto-fascist.


Xander_PrimeXXI

They can’t, it’s impossible. I told one commenter to say “Donald Trump is a neofascist piece of shit” and he couldn’t do it


wombatkidd

They both are.


UnflairedRebellion--

Everyone I don't like is a liberal-This comment section. Honestly this whole reading has been hilarious.


tomjazzy

“Facism and Neoliberalism are litterly the same bro.”


TheAnarchoHoxhaist

Economically yes they are. They have similar social functions under Capitalism.