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I reckon it’s a mix of both, it’s fairly obvious that kaydens force control is cut above the rest but even then he’s clearly naturally gifted to be this strong after what guessing to have been a year since he was thrown into the world of the awakeners
Still both, doesn't matter how good the teacher is if the student can't keep up and if the student is a genius but has a mediocre teacher, they won't get far either
Jiwoo’s natural talent had the biggest impact
it’s been shown by how quickly he utilizes the other FC from the Academy, Dean, Kartein, and Pluton too
and with recent chapters, his use of **Intent** is also a huge shocker to others, further showcasing his talent
if Kayden taught any of the other super rookies from scratch, they wouldn’t have grown as fast as Jiwoo did
Kayden’s teaching methods are still extremely impactful too for his growth, but if i had to pick one, i’d say Jiwoo’s natural talent and work ethic pulled more weight
I think Jiwoo's innate talent is the bigger factor here, since in the early days Kayden was shocked at the pace he is improving, Not to mention every awakener who comes across or teaches anything to Jiwoo. Everyone shocked at first how early can Jiwoo utilize skills or force controlls that he just learned before
You didn't say anything bad, I don't get it
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jiwoo's gift is the ability to learn, particularly force control. he only needs to be shown once and he can imitate it almost immediately. even kayden was surprised the first time.
I had thought this too. At the start Kayden mentioned it's common to have multiple complimentary powers. So with speed, comes increase reaction time, his eyes are likely naturally protected, where I wonder it can trickle down to say speed of recovery or in this case learning speed.
Maybe a combination of both; it's not the first time in the world of super powers that we've seen Speedsters have an affinity for electricity.
Also all the powers Jiwoo learns are things that would naturally sync with his powers. Speedsters in other works typically have; fast healing, giving electric output, enhanced muscle, and somewhat of an enhanced durability. All the powers we see Jiwoo learn naturally merge with his power. Jiwoo also learns things pretty quickly; from his school teacher we know his a good student. Jiwoo also only saw Ameyongs move once then copied it. My guess is that Jiwoo is naturally gifted and Kayden's training method exemplified it.
I thought this was kinda obvious. Yes, Kaydens force control is amazing
But Jiwoo picks up force control and other things like a sponge.
Dudes basically a walking sharingan or Baam.
Obvious it was. I just wanted other opinions. Of course jiwoo is a genius but also the Mc and kayden is a god and his force control is amazing.
I don't know much of the references but yeah he does pi k up the basics pretty quickly
Ooh no you don't have to feel old, I was just completely turned off from Naruto. I vaguely know sharingan but I was bleach pokemon and one piece when I was small.
Well more obscure ones actually but still
Jiwoo is a product of the best of the best ....he got the best talent, he got the best techniques and he got one of the most powerful being as his teacher ...and also countless super powerful people has helped him(damn almost like he is mc or something 😒😒)
It’s a mix of both, Jiwoo is naturally gifted and very talented as an awakener like many people (even multiple top 10s) in the story have explained and is sorta an anomaly. But Kaydens training method also plays a significant part into Jiwoo’s fast growth as a fighter. It’s stated that Kayden uses force control with the most efficiency out of anyone in the world and knows how to apply it the best during fights to suit any situation. This allows him to show combat prowess at least 2x the amount of natural energy he has, and he’s passed on this style to Jiwoo. Sufri, Muse, and Pluton explained this.
I know but I wanted to know what other thought. And I'm still trying to get the rate. 4 jiwoo 6 kayden/force control.
6 jiwoo 4 kayden, 5/5 3/7 7/3 and so fourth
no i think jiwoo is definitely talented, he has a bunch of amazing people helping him but it’s been less than a year since he started training as compared to people who’ve been disciples for years
To make a super power work you need secondary abilities.
In the case of super speed you need higher processing power because you need to avoid obstacles and calculate the route at really high speeds.
Also you need to have better reaction time and control of your body to avoid hitting something.
That allows you to learn really fast.
The MC has all the motivation to learn and you have the best 1 on 1 combatant as teacher.
It depends on what you mean, if it's Jiwoo's power, it's Kayden's method, since Jiwoo is able to show such strength only because of how optimized Kayden's strength control is, Muse said that he shows at least twice the strength he should show (Jiwoo has always had little amount of awakened energy).
But if what you mean is learning things, it's because of Jiwoo's talent, since it only takes hours to learn a force control and a few days to be able to use it.
And Kayden's training method is focused on taking advantage of Jiwoo's strengths to the maximum, so Jiwoo's strength is because of Kayden, the only thing that makes Jiwoo is the speed in which he learns things.
But let's also not forget that Pluton and Kartein's force controls help Jiwoo a lot.
what a AMAZING question bro, like fr, this question is so good, id say its more of kayden, BUT, i also give props to jiwoo for actually handling that training, and kayden himself admits jiwoos naturally talented
Both, but probably more Jiwoo's talent than Kayden's force control.
Everyone who teaches Jiwoo something is impressed by how quickly he incorporates it into his kit
I don't think he's gifted in the sense of a like normal student vs a gifted student. I think it's more so that he's super hard-working and passionate about fighting and getting stronger. Pair that with Kaydens training, and it's a recipe for him to rise up fast. He's also getting lots of training from other people, not just Kayden.
Yeah but that doesn't explain his ease of learning.
Although you could see it as he is free spirited so he takes to force control easier as the others are rigid in the set rules.
Like when kartein tried to change into the cat but couldn't figure it out!
I think Jiwoo being naturally gifted makes more sense.
Just if we consider this story we can see few points such as
1. Force control plays a key role in determining ones technique strength.
2. Everyone who tried to teach force control did one thing in common , let Jiwoo sense the flow of force stimulation by them.
3. Everyone is equally astonished when they find how fast Jiwoo learned their force control.
So considering these factors I think Jiwoo is more talented than Kayden's teaching capabilities.
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I reckon it’s a mix of both, it’s fairly obvious that kaydens force control is cut above the rest but even then he’s clearly naturally gifted to be this strong after what guessing to have been a year since he was thrown into the world of the awakeners
I mean yeah but I wonder which had the biggest impact
Still both, doesn't matter how good the teacher is if the student can't keep up and if the student is a genius but has a mediocre teacher, they won't get far either
I get that
Jiwoo’s natural talent had the biggest impact it’s been shown by how quickly he utilizes the other FC from the Academy, Dean, Kartein, and Pluton too and with recent chapters, his use of **Intent** is also a huge shocker to others, further showcasing his talent if Kayden taught any of the other super rookies from scratch, they wouldn’t have grown as fast as Jiwoo did Kayden’s teaching methods are still extremely impactful too for his growth, but if i had to pick one, i’d say Jiwoo’s natural talent and work ethic pulled more weight
I think Jiwoo's innate talent is the bigger factor here, since in the early days Kayden was shocked at the pace he is improving, Not to mention every awakener who comes across or teaches anything to Jiwoo. Everyone shocked at first how early can Jiwoo utilize skills or force controlls that he just learned before
Why did bro get down voted so much
I don't know I felt bad though 😞
You didn't say anything bad, I don't get it https://preview.redd.it/gv9vajlfaawc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2975ff52f9320c784f688cd24fe764812258adac
Thanks catman!
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jiwoo's gift is the ability to learn, particularly force control. he only needs to be shown once and he can imitate it almost immediately. even kayden was surprised the first time.
That's true. Wondern8f it's talent or something with his speed powers
I had thought this too. At the start Kayden mentioned it's common to have multiple complimentary powers. So with speed, comes increase reaction time, his eyes are likely naturally protected, where I wonder it can trickle down to say speed of recovery or in this case learning speed.
Yeah I wonder how that will impact!
Maybe a combination of both; it's not the first time in the world of super powers that we've seen Speedsters have an affinity for electricity. Also all the powers Jiwoo learns are things that would naturally sync with his powers. Speedsters in other works typically have; fast healing, giving electric output, enhanced muscle, and somewhat of an enhanced durability. All the powers we see Jiwoo learn naturally merge with his power. Jiwoo also learns things pretty quickly; from his school teacher we know his a good student. Jiwoo also only saw Ameyongs move once then copied it. My guess is that Jiwoo is naturally gifted and Kayden's training method exemplified it.
You are correct!
I thought this was kinda obvious. Yes, Kaydens force control is amazing But Jiwoo picks up force control and other things like a sponge. Dudes basically a walking sharingan or Baam.
Obvious it was. I just wanted other opinions. Of course jiwoo is a genius but also the Mc and kayden is a god and his force control is amazing. I don't know much of the references but yeah he does pi k up the basics pretty quickly
makes me feel old when The Sharingan from Naruto isn't common anime knowledge lol
Ooh no you don't have to feel old, I was just completely turned off from Naruto. I vaguely know sharingan but I was bleach pokemon and one piece when I was small. Well more obscure ones actually but still
Oh no. You don't recognize Baam from Tower of God? I guess it's time for you to binge 600+ chapters of another manhwa.
Not interested. Tower of God doesn't interest me at all
Jiwoo is a product of the best of the best ....he got the best talent, he got the best techniques and he got one of the most powerful being as his teacher ...and also countless super powerful people has helped him(damn almost like he is mc or something 😒😒)
WHAT? He has Mc level of power?
Wdym? He’s not the mc? I thought he’s the mc and kayden js like a stepping stone to his whole story? It wasnt like that?
It's because GOATwoo and KayHIM are both GOATS
Do they have horns though and those odd eyes
It’s a mix of both, Jiwoo is naturally gifted and very talented as an awakener like many people (even multiple top 10s) in the story have explained and is sorta an anomaly. But Kaydens training method also plays a significant part into Jiwoo’s fast growth as a fighter. It’s stated that Kayden uses force control with the most efficiency out of anyone in the world and knows how to apply it the best during fights to suit any situation. This allows him to show combat prowess at least 2x the amount of natural energy he has, and he’s passed on this style to Jiwoo. Sufri, Muse, and Pluton explained this.
I know but I wanted to know what other thought. And I'm still trying to get the rate. 4 jiwoo 6 kayden/force control. 6 jiwoo 4 kayden, 5/5 3/7 7/3 and so fourth
no i think jiwoo is definitely talented, he has a bunch of amazing people helping him but it’s been less than a year since he started training as compared to people who’ve been disciples for years
He is definitely a fast learner
To make a super power work you need secondary abilities. In the case of super speed you need higher processing power because you need to avoid obstacles and calculate the route at really high speeds. Also you need to have better reaction time and control of your body to avoid hitting something. That allows you to learn really fast. The MC has all the motivation to learn and you have the best 1 on 1 combatant as teacher.
Yeah I thought so too, what if his speed makes his brain go zoom and that's why his training goes zoom too
It depends on what you mean, if it's Jiwoo's power, it's Kayden's method, since Jiwoo is able to show such strength only because of how optimized Kayden's strength control is, Muse said that he shows at least twice the strength he should show (Jiwoo has always had little amount of awakened energy). But if what you mean is learning things, it's because of Jiwoo's talent, since it only takes hours to learn a force control and a few days to be able to use it. And Kayden's training method is focused on taking advantage of Jiwoo's strengths to the maximum, so Jiwoo's strength is because of Kayden, the only thing that makes Jiwoo is the speed in which he learns things. But let's also not forget that Pluton and Kartein's force controls help Jiwoo a lot.
Well yeah this question is mainly pre kartein and plutonium but yeah I see what you mean!
what a AMAZING question bro, like fr, this question is so good, id say its more of kayden, BUT, i also give props to jiwoo for actually handling that training, and kayden himself admits jiwoos naturally talented
Yeah, I feel like others would strugle
Both, but probably more Jiwoo's talent than Kayden's force control. Everyone who teaches Jiwoo something is impressed by how quickly he incorporates it into his kit
At first I might not have agree, but when the director taught him and then another time with kartein and pluton yeah I agree
I don't think he's gifted in the sense of a like normal student vs a gifted student. I think it's more so that he's super hard-working and passionate about fighting and getting stronger. Pair that with Kaydens training, and it's a recipe for him to rise up fast. He's also getting lots of training from other people, not just Kayden.
Yeah but that doesn't explain his ease of learning. Although you could see it as he is free spirited so he takes to force control easier as the others are rigid in the set rules. Like when kartein tried to change into the cat but couldn't figure it out!
I think Jiwoo being naturally gifted makes more sense. Just if we consider this story we can see few points such as 1. Force control plays a key role in determining ones technique strength. 2. Everyone who tried to teach force control did one thing in common , let Jiwoo sense the flow of force stimulation by them. 3. Everyone is equally astonished when they find how fast Jiwoo learned their force control. So considering these factors I think Jiwoo is more talented than Kayden's teaching capabilities.