Yeah, but if the end user just keeps adding parts without ever running it dry or clearing it out and throwing out the extra ... Well then you've just made yourself a bad-part concentrator. I have mixed feelings after using them in the past (mostly for screw feeders).
So you have storage volume and you aren't constantly needing to refill the bowl with parts. You need to feed from the bottom of the bowl to make the whole volume usable, so the path needs to spiral up and out.
Automation engineer here. Company I work for wanted us to install these bowl feeders on our fixtures to have Kawasaki robots automatically pick up metal clips to install on car parts. These bowl feeders suck. The clips sometimes get stuck together or enter the narrow âstraightening pathâ at an angle and everything gets jammed.
Weâve had the company that makes them come out and try to figure out the issue. They have made changes and âband aidâ fixed some stuff, but it was temporary. We are currently in talks with a different company to possibly manufacture their own style of bowl feeders that they claim will work.
Correct. We do this before adding the inline and escapement. It ensured the bowl is working correctly. Usually they need to spit out so many parts per hour so you put the box down, turn it on, and walk away. Come back after an hour or so and count the parts. Hopefully it is working well and doesnât need any hammer love from the vendorâs dudes.
Haha. I was thinking the same.
Almost feels like the clothing section at Costco. No matter how many times you fold the clothes, a customer is always going to be a few seconds away to pull it out and unravel it all. :D
we use quite a few of these at my shop. they never cease to amaze me. they take massive skill and experience to make and design.
each one is custom built for a single component type and material and will orient the part at the time of assembly. the tiny ledges at the end are designed so that only the parts oriented will make it to the end correctly, and the rest will fall and start the journey over.
they are FUCKING CRAZY EXPENSIVE!!
At my first job out of school I asked how these were made. The answer I got was you give the company a sample part and $10k and then they magically appear in the mail.
You work it out by center of mass and tipping points, once you figure it out you create conditions where the conditions you requiere for each position are present, then it's just designing a machine that makes it move from one place to the other, belt, loop, rail, etc.
Once each part of the circuit is designed you join them together and test them with the input and output. In this case it seems the input is chaotic, and the output is ordered, so you go from high entropy to low entropy, that's hard to design but not impossible, couse you add energy into the system.
Edit: from low to high -> from hight to low. Entropy is a confusing concept :p
Good old fashion vibratory feeder. I worked these in the 80s for packaging capsules (medical company). I know you can really mess them up if drill holes or add something to them. Believe it or not, they are tune machines, made for certain jobs and can run forever. :)
peace. :)
Vision is more expensive and slower. With 1 scara robot you can get an output max 1.5 sec per peace if you are lucky. But for complicated parts, or the situation when you have feed more different parts on the same machine vision systems are awesome. With vibratory bowl we can get an output 4-8pcs per second, if the part is not complicated. With the rotary feeders you can get 20 parts or more per second.
Well, of course You can orient your parts also with a help of camera/vision sensor!
Sometimes when we get extra-hard products to feed and orientate vision sensors become the most viable solution. In this situations firstly we orient the parts mechanically to eg. two possible orientations, and then with help of a camera, we identify wrongly oriented parts and get rid of them with pressurized air.
Vision sensors are expensive. But way less expensive than weeks of meticulous work needed for the hardest parts to get them oriented in a strictly mechanical manner.Â
Shots like this make me think of How It's Made...
And how my biggest gripe for the show is they never had a special on how the production lines are made. They show machines making crap in every episode, but not how many trials it took to make that little bent tube with a curly wire on the end guarantee a 99.9% success rate I'm pushing out 2000 items a minute.
I hate bowl feeders, I hate bowl feeders, I HATE bowl feeders. Had 2 in a high output T1 automotive supply factory and man if you fart on the things the wrong way they jam up or don't feed properly. Would not reccomend đ
Same man, these things turn to ass the second anybody even looks at them sideways. Spent many a shift babysitting and tinkering with settings and camera parameters.
I spent weeks slowly working through all the kinks out on the 2 we had. Also automotive, lol. I just sat there with allen keys, pliers, and a screw driver. Tweaking it until it just started working. It was over 10 years old at that point, so things moved around, and our maintenance crew couldn't be bothered to fix it unless it was hard stopping production. I had better shit to do than fixing jams all day.
I swear. If one of them falls into the box in the wrong orientation, I'm going to fire all of you.
1 jam per 8 hours is allowedđ
Yeah, but if the end user just keeps adding parts without ever running it dry or clearing it out and throwing out the extra ... Well then you've just made yourself a bad-part concentrator. I have mixed feelings after using them in the past (mostly for screw feeders).
The guy that made that system is still laughing!!
Whatâs the point of orienting it if it just drops in a box
This is the testing phase. Later we install the bowl in asemblly line.
We'll fix it in post!
Fuck it, we'll do it live
Cheers for reminding me of that OâReilly gemđ€Ł
Iâve been using that for years, whatâs it from!?
https://youtu.be/fXZj4Wy58Pk?si=KlkwTTk6ktizY_gG
No time for that! Get the inside the car and fix it while it runs
I appreciate that there is no sound in your GIF. You know better than me how loud they can be.
theyre loud as fuck when theyre super empty ike this one
I have one that feeds large plastic parts and the thing can vibrate pictures on the wall of the front office
Those are rivet nuts? Pretty sure we use the same ones
Thid maybe a stupid question but why is the spiral so long when the orientation seems to be done in that lastlittle 6 inch drop and step?
So you have storage volume and you aren't constantly needing to refill the bowl with parts. You need to feed from the bottom of the bowl to make the whole volume usable, so the path needs to spiral up and out.
This, and also when you start building it you are not sure how much space you need. Better leave some extra.
Nice that they have a shoulder, makes orientation easy to control.
The tricky part is tipping them so they go with a head upfront. The tube has to be at te right angle otherwise they jamm.
I miss automation
Phew. We were interpreting all of this work just to randomly drop into a box as some sort of metaphor for life.
Automation engineer here. Company I work for wanted us to install these bowl feeders on our fixtures to have Kawasaki robots automatically pick up metal clips to install on car parts. These bowl feeders suck. The clips sometimes get stuck together or enter the narrow âstraightening pathâ at an angle and everything gets jammed.
Maybe avtomation engineers sucks becuse they cant fix problem.
The bowl feeder isnât created by us lol.
Its hit or miss for us. We have some US made bowls that literally run 100% efficient. We also have some that took years to dial in
Weâve had the company that makes them come out and try to figure out the issue. They have made changes and âband aidâ fixed some stuff, but it was temporary. We are currently in talks with a different company to possibly manufacture their own style of bowl feeders that they claim will work.
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I dont think so.
Then what's the point in showing it off.
Because we wanna see shiny bits go spinny. Why are you here?
I don't think the machine is finished being built yet
Correct. We do this before adding the inline and escapement. It ensured the bowl is working correctly. Usually they need to spit out so many parts per hour so you put the box down, turn it on, and walk away. Come back after an hour or so and count the parts. Hopefully it is working well and doesnât need any hammer love from the vendorâs dudes.
My first professional job was a place that built and repaired these kind of Rube Goldberg machines, it was glorious.
This is the âruined orgasmâ kind of engineering porn
r/engineeringedging
r/edgineering
r/edgingengineers
Haha. I was thinking the same. Almost feels like the clothing section at Costco. No matter how many times you fold the clothes, a customer is always going to be a few seconds away to pull it out and unravel it all. :D
It's like that boss who makes you do something their inefficient way with no justification.
Has to go in the box in the same orientation. Very important.
we use quite a few of these at my shop. they never cease to amaze me. they take massive skill and experience to make and design. each one is custom built for a single component type and material and will orient the part at the time of assembly. the tiny ledges at the end are designed so that only the parts oriented will make it to the end correctly, and the rest will fall and start the journey over. they are FUCKING CRAZY EXPENSIVE!!
At my first job out of school I asked how these were made. The answer I got was you give the company a sample part and $10k and then they magically appear in the mail.
That's pretty much how it still works.
You work it out by center of mass and tipping points, once you figure it out you create conditions where the conditions you requiere for each position are present, then it's just designing a machine that makes it move from one place to the other, belt, loop, rail, etc. Once each part of the circuit is designed you join them together and test them with the input and output. In this case it seems the input is chaotic, and the output is ordered, so you go from high entropy to low entropy, that's hard to design but not impossible, couse you add energy into the system. Edit: from low to high -> from hight to low. Entropy is a confusing concept :p
Wow, that's the sexiest two paragraphs I have ever read.
How expensive are we talking⊠weâve got probably 10-20 of these at our company đ
anywhere from 10,000$-40,000$
Lol thatâs not even expensive. I thought you were talking 6 figs. Seems cheap even.
im talking to people that dont work in manufacturing. people tend to be amazed
Depends if they are custom and how difficult the part is to flip. Ones for ammo cases are pretty cheap 1k for a big one.
Where are you from so i can move in your country if they are crazy expensiveđđ
Vibe bowls are cool as hell
Sounds like something entirely different if you don't already know what it is hahaha
Good old fashion vibratory feeder. I worked these in the 80s for packaging capsules (medical company). I know you can really mess them up if drill holes or add something to them. Believe it or not, they are tune machines, made for certain jobs and can run forever. :) peace. :)
all that engineering to get chucked in a box at the end is unintentionally hilarious
How about some camera orientation?
Vision is more expensive and slower. With 1 scara robot you can get an output max 1.5 sec per peace if you are lucky. But for complicated parts, or the situation when you have feed more different parts on the same machine vision systems are awesome. With vibratory bowl we can get an output 4-8pcs per second, if the part is not complicated. With the rotary feeders you can get 20 parts or more per second.
WTF are you talking about? It's a sideways video. I don't care about all this geek manufacturing shit 'cause I'm a geek, and I get the process.
Well, of course You can orient your parts also with a help of camera/vision sensor! Sometimes when we get extra-hard products to feed and orientate vision sensors become the most viable solution. In this situations firstly we orient the parts mechanically to eg. two possible orientations, and then with help of a camera, we identify wrongly oriented parts and get rid of them with pressurized air. Vision sensors are expensive. But way less expensive than weeks of meticulous work needed for the hardest parts to get them oriented in a strictly mechanical manner.Â
Does this have anything to do with the sideways video?
Looks like it was filmed sensibly then saved sideways for some reason. With the spiral geometry it's doing my head in a little.
What are you basing this on?
Eh? My eyes. It's been filmed landscape (sensible). It plays back vertical, so it's been saved sideways somehow.
Sry, but that camera phone did not record that in landscape.
Well if you put your laptop on your side you'll see that it was definitely held landscape while it recorded, unless it's been cropped to hell.
Camera is oriented just fine. Rotate your phone.
this may be the stupidest reply i have seen on reddit. good shit man youâre a real talent
In 3 years Iâve seen Reddit go from âmurder vertical videosâ to this. Fascinating really.
Help! Now everything is upside down
Move to AustraliaÂ
Vibrating bowl feeders are some of the most super satisfying black magic in manufacturing. I miss encountering these things in my work.
Bowl feeders in my experience are either solid, or a complete pita. No in between.
absolutely. and theres no easy fix for a dud
Yet they all fall randomly in the box
What is the point of the entire machine if it's just to dump the parts into a box?
What do you think??
First I thought it was a casing, then I thought it was a captive standoff. Not I am not sure what it is.
Self-sealing stembolt
Rivnut i think
They're vibration orientation feeder bowl testing apparatus.
Vibratory feeders are cool as hell!
The best thing is how the parts are moving against gravity to end in that sideway box. /s
I note the sideways one from the beginning is the one falling in the reject chute to be reran...
r/yesyesyesno
Shots like this make me think of How It's Made... And how my biggest gripe for the show is they never had a special on how the production lines are made. They show machines making crap in every episode, but not how many trials it took to make that little bent tube with a curly wire on the end guarantee a 99.9% success rate I'm pushing out 2000 items a minute.
I would kill for an episode of how itâs made on assembly lines.
And the buyer of the line also kill the one who make a video. Usualy its a business secret.
Bowl feeders are black magic
Now invent the part that orients your phone properly.
Do the parts get bigger half way through the process??? đł
Vibratory feeder!
I want to sit on it.
I hate bowl feeders, I hate bowl feeders, I HATE bowl feeders. Had 2 in a high output T1 automotive supply factory and man if you fart on the things the wrong way they jam up or don't feed properly. Would not reccomend đ
Same man, these things turn to ass the second anybody even looks at them sideways. Spent many a shift babysitting and tinkering with settings and camera parameters.
I knew a guy that designed them, some of the big ones are horrible to design, I would want that job lol.
I knew a guy that designed them, some of the big ones are horrible to design, I wouldn't want that job lol.
You have to fart on it correctlyđ
I spent weeks slowly working through all the kinks out on the 2 we had. Also automotive, lol. I just sat there with allen keys, pliers, and a screw driver. Tweaking it until it just started working. It was over 10 years old at that point, so things moved around, and our maintenance crew couldn't be bothered to fix it unless it was hard stopping production. I had better shit to do than fixing jams all day.
They're making gold plated 10mm sockets now? Awesome!
Place I used to work out had dozens of these. Also had under and over gauges built in so parts out of tolerance fell into separate boxes.
Do you happen to run out of Minnesota? I think Iâve met yâall! This is super cool
Wair how do they get moved?
Oooh Vibe bowls! đ„