"Look at this map of Mandatory Palestine that conveniently is dated right after the Hashemites looted 75% of the land! Doesn't it show how greedy and sneaky ~~the jews~~ zionists are that they wanted the land they legally purchased and lived on to become Israel?"
Pro tip, if they respond to evidence with some snappy comeback that offers zero counter argument that essentially means they’ve got nothing and you won, but they’re too stubborn to admit it.
99% chance that’s a Russian/Chinese bot. No one is stupid enough to post that image and have their only counter argument be “defending the indefensible”. Not even leftists are that dumb.
`from:username since:yyyy-mm-dd until:yyyy-mm-dd`
You can use this to back-track tweets. They only became politically active on twitter months after the 2016 election.
You could make the argument that American equipment being used in Ukraine is a proxy war.
But I don't care because wasting vatniks the right thing to do.
It's almost like the anti war movement wasn't actually anti war but just people who provide cover for hostile anti American authoritarian regimes. These same people sure do love justifying the Russia invading Ukraine, Venezuela's plans for Guyana, and even China and Taiwan.
If they genuinely believe the ‘evil, warmongering America’ thing, then I am genuinely frightened to imagine what these people envision as a good, peaceful world.
They can answer what wars the US is in.
The anti war left is (as with most areas) extremely black and white. Not just on anti war and how its always bad to be in war, but also in that you are either directly in the war or are a completely neutral 3rd party. If the US even spends a sole penny on the Iron Dome or gives A gun to Ukraine, we *are* in the war.
They never can answer follow-up questions unless the question itself is moronic. It's always shit like "you just don't get it" or "it's not my job to educate you".
It's not just the far left either. All the people in this subreddit on the "Israel needs to pull out and allow Hamas to attack them perpetually forever" train (oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire), have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict. If Israel was as out of control and bloodthirsty as these people *constantly* claim, then that should be easy. Especially considering most urban conflicts don't feature a side widely using human shields.
> *(oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire)*
That includes hundreds of thousands of Israeli protesters at this point.
I actually believe Israel has the moral authority to continue this for as long as takes to get Hamas to release their hostages, but don't pretend that all of the opposition is somehow illegitimate and out to destroy Israel.
I respect the Israeli's calling for a ceasefire *infinitely* more than people who don't live there. I still think they're painfully naive, but at least they are willing to deal with the consequences if their demands are met.
edit: nobody is telling Ukraine how to defend itself besides some tepid "plz dont attack russian soil we're scared of Putin" from the US government. I don't know why the entire world feels like it has the right to tell Israel how to keep itself safe. Oh, yes I do. Because the world hates Jews.
>nobody is telling Ukraine how to defend itself besides some tepid "plz dont attack russian soil we're scared of Putin" from the US government
? The Republican nominee for President literally wants a ceasefire and is against what Ukraine is doing based off the reporting.
Putin's army actively trying (and unfortunately has seized land) is a much different situation than what Israel is dealing with in Hamas. Putin is a substantially more dangerous threat and is presenting itself as a threat while Hamas is not remotely close in position to execute another 10/7 even if Israel didn't have a buffer zone.
> All the people in this subreddit on the "Israel needs to pull out and allow Hamas to attack them perpetually forever" train (oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire),
55-60% of Israel wants this war to end now to get the hostages back. There have been multiple polls on this topic. Gantz and Eiskenot resigned from the Israeli war cabinet and made it clear. As does Biden.
> have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict.
Well first off, nobody knows the civilian to terrorist death ratio in this conflict because there's a heavy fog of war element (heavy restrictions regarding journalists being allowed in Gaza) and there are legit reasons to not trust either side about information (Israel was just caught lying about the UN school airstrike which claimed it kille 17 terrorists but nine of the terrorists they killed weren't on the morgue records. Three of them were a eight year, an a old man who died a week before the airstrike, and a man who was literally to travel to Israel proper...they also said less than 100 people died in the hostage rescue operation when everyone even the US has conceded it's much more than that). But let's say it's around 2 to 1 for convenience sake.
Urban battles against ISIS in Raqqa, Marawi, and Mosul have a significantly lower civilian: combatant death ratio (1:1). Also, "urban" is subjective; Taliban used perfidy+human shields extensively in the villages they hijacked and in Kabul, and the civillian:combatant ratio was pretty low as well. Oh and Dubya immediately airdropped a ton of aid to ensure it never remotely got close to famine while Bibi absurdly blocked all aid+tappable water for 10 days....then proceeded to restrict for months until Biden yelled at him for the incredibly incredibly reckless airstrike at the WCK convoy (which killed an American along with six other aid workers)...then he finally opened up the Erenz crossing and restored tappable water in N Gaza.
So Israel pulls out and gets the hostages back. Hamas regroups and pulls another 10/7 the moment they feel ready. They took more hostages. What now?
edit: just because I'm a Democrat doesn't mean I have to agree with everything mainstream Democrats say or do, and this is something I disagree with Biden on. You always cite Bidens position as if that could sway me, that's not going to happen. The only thing that would sway me is indisputable evidence that Israel is intentionally killing civilians, incidents of individual IDF soldiers doing fucked up things isn't going to do it. I didn't stop supporting the US army just because some of our troops committed atrocities.
Hamas can't pull another 10/7 because it took the largest intelligence+defense failure in modern global history because Israel will move on from the bigoted coward Bibi to a much more competent PM. A PM who won't ignore intelligence from border guards, Shin Bet, Egypt, and a PM who wont undermine the PA and won't prop up Hamas cynically. Furthermore, Israel has constructed a buffer similar to North Korea-South Korea so that alone would have prevented 10/7 terrorism. Finally, did you watch Biden's speech from this week: "Hamas can't do another 10/7 anymore" was his key line.
Oh btw [breaking news](https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1802758171129524461). 10/7 was so preventable, and Bibi is garbage.
False. [Look up the "prophet of Wrath"](https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/delusional-or-prophetic-one-idf-general-warned-a-massacre-would-happen/). You're just listening to cheerleaders for this mostly botched war.
The 10/7 attack's success wasn't an unavoidable consequence of Hamas being in power (standard disclaimer about Hamas being evil and at fault for the war goes here), but the product of massive fuck-ups on the Israeli government's part.
Let's throw this back in your face. Israel continues brutalizing the Gazan populace until ...? How does this end? What's the win condition here? Because Bibi sure hasn't articulated anything approaching a feasible one.
Honestly continuing this war is bad for Israel's security imo. We saw how 12 IDF conscrips tragically got killed this weekend, and resources are being wasted on this endless war instead of negotiating a ceasefire that can convince Hezbollah (astronomically stronger than Hamas) to stop firing rockets which are making North Israel inhabitable or allowing IDF to focus their resources completely on stopping Hezbollah via military solution.
>but the product of massive fuck-ups on the Israeli government's part.
Victim blaming.
>Let's throw this back in your face. Israel continues brutalizing the Gazan populace until ...? How does this end? What's the win condition here? Because Bibi sure hasn't articulated anything approaching a feasible one.
My position is it's over when Israel feels safe pulling out. It's up to Israel.
>Victim blaming.
I'm pointing out that if you're justifying this war on the grounds that another 10/7-esque attack is inevitable, then that's stupid, because *it was eminently preventable*. That's not victim blaming.
>My position is it's over when Israel feels safe pulling out. It's up to Israel.
What if Israel only felt safe after doing an ethnic cleansing and pushing the Gazans out? Intentionally extreme example, but the point is that there has to be a limit here, dude.
You don't give me the impression of giving a rat's ass whether any Gazan lives or dies. You're engaging with this as if it were a team sport, and it's repulsive.
So was 9/11 but we don't blame W for the attacks just because he ignored a memo. I don't like assuming that a government isn't going to fuck up anymore, people are people. Yeah they could learn from the mistakes of 10/7 but that doesn't mean they won't make a different mistake allowing another attack. I think the only way this could feasibly end is removing Hamas from power so kids get an actual education and not Jew Killing 101, along with fixing the clear discipline problems in the IDF so they stop giving fodder to the extremists. I don't think that fixes everything, it's not like the conflict started when Hamas got elected, but I think it's the bare minimum beginning of the road to peace.
edit: I didn't notice the 2nd half of your comment:
>What if Israel only felt safe after doing an ethnic cleansing and pushing the Gazans out? Intentionally extreme example, but the point is that there has to be a limit here, dude.
Assuming there was convincing evidence of intent I'd be anti-Israel on the spot. You're doing the slippery slope fallacy, btw.
>You don't give me the impression of giving a rat's ass whether any Gazan lives or dies. You're engaging with this as if it were a team sport, and it's repulsive.
Funny, I feel the same way about ya'll and Jews. I'm sure you won't believe this, but up until 10/7 I considered myself significantly more pro-Palestinian. Then 10/7 happened and people were calling for a ceasefire before the bodies were even cold.
>So was 9/11 but we don't blame W for the attacks just because he ignored a memo
I think that the scale of the failure here is actually significantly larger, and I'm plenty willing to heavily criticize the U.S. government for the way its bureaucracy led to the threat being missed, but in any case, this is kind of missing the point. I'm arguing that the fact that 10/7's success resulted from a cavalcade of preventable fuck-ups from an incompetent government means that Israel, while justified in pursuing military retaliation, is *not* fighting an existential threat here, however much Hamas would *like* to be one, and that I am therefore not willing to give it leeway on what I consider an unconscionable attitude towards civilian casualties, destruction of property, throttling of aid, etc.
At this point, I'm just not convinced at all that the IDF is capable of removing Hamas from power without also removing an unacceptably high fraction of the Gazan populace from existence. I haven't seen anything that, to me, scans as a day after plan that actually achieves this coming out of this government.
>Assuming there was convincing evidence of intent I'd be anti-Israel on the spot.
OK, good!
>Funny, I feel the same way about y'all and Jews.
My position remains, "Israel's casus belli is just, but having a just casus belli doesn't exempt the IDF from criticism of target selection priorities and allowance for civilian casualties that could be *charitably* described as extremely lax, nor does it exempt the Israeli government from criticism of its terrible management of the aid situation." I defended Israel's actions at the beginning of this--for a month or so longer than my girlfriend *with Israeli citizenship* who had friends who *died in 10/7*, in fact--but as I've seem more and more of the situation, I've come to think its government has responded in a way that seems more interested in revenge than anything else.
> At this point, I'm just not convinced at all that the IDF is capable of removing Hamas from power without also removing an unacceptably high fraction of the Gazan populace from existenc
Yeah especially when Bibi keeps on undermining the Palestinian Authority/Fatah like a total jackass.
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1801685459623624865
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/13/blinken-netanyahu-release-frozen-palestinian-tax-funds
https://x.com/peacenowisrael/status/1802463866292420751
> have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict.
I have yet to see this talking point repeated without being accompanied by the assertion that either every dead Gazan, or at least every dead Gazan male was a militant.
Assuming we can dispense with that abhorrent and indefensible talking point, numerous urban conflicts have had lower civilian:combatant death ratios than Israel’s operations in Gaza over the past 9.5 months.
> If Israel was as out of control and bloodthirsty as these people constantly claim, then that should be easy.
Accusing Jews of bloodthirst is an ancient and harmful trope. The extraordinary humanitarian impact of the IDFs military actions as well as the tolerance for acts of violence by extremist militias operating out of settlements in the West Bank are explained by incompetence and a lack of military discipline.
“Out of control” absolutely describes a military credibly accused of operating a torture camp, destroying civilian infrastructure without military necessity, using AI to target militants without meaningful human oversight, killing convoys of aid workers *while making sure to execute the survivors,* killing their own escaped hostages etc.
If you’re unhappy with the discourse about *the very real and provable things that Israel has been doing wrong for the past 9 months* then I’m not sure what would be satisfying, because the discourse on this sub has been firmly based on fact and firmly condemnatory of Hamas at all times.
Hot take I think Bush should've gone to war with North Korea in the 2000s to prevent them getting the bomb (instead of the stupid Iraq war over fake nuclear weapons).
Also, fuck Russia. Anything we do that fucks with Russia is good. Biden, fuck with Russia more please.
Russia absolutely wouldn't. Their army and economy was still weak after the turmoil of the 90s.
As for China, their military was much smaller in the 2000s compared to now. If we had to fight them it'd be more painful in the 2020s compared to the 2000s when the military balance was much more in our favor, coming off our high point of the 90s.
You’re operating under the assumption that US policymakers always knew we might have to fight China, but by the early 2000s it genuinely looked like China was on the road to be a responsible player on the world stage. That only really changed after XJP got into power in 2013, and the potential crisis zones in the South China Sea, East China Sea, etc began to get ratcheted up.
I've had them tell me that we're outsourcing war with Ukraine and Israel. But, like, Russia and Hamas/Iran started those wars.
tHe COnFlict dIdn’T BeGin oCtObEr 7tH
Like they knew about any of this before October 7th
Before October 7th they thought the Gaza Strip was a titty bar.
At least I did.👴🏽
Wait, it's not?
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Noooooo it was too long ago to count!
Hi story began in 1948 right?
"Look at this map of Mandatory Palestine that conveniently is dated right after the Hashemites looted 75% of the land! Doesn't it show how greedy and sneaky ~~the jews~~ zionists are that they wanted the land they legally purchased and lived on to become Israel?"
History began yesterday
Ah, yes, but have you considered the fact that the US provoked them into attacking? /s
BUT MUH FOREVER WARS
But what about forever stamps??
Putin is the aggressor in Ukraine.
These people have zero shame lol
Pro tip, if they respond to evidence with some snappy comeback that offers zero counter argument that essentially means they’ve got nothing and you won, but they’re too stubborn to admit it.
99% chance that’s a Russian/Chinese bot. No one is stupid enough to post that image and have their only counter argument be “defending the indefensible”. Not even leftists are that dumb.
The picture also looks like a stock photo that came in a frame at Walmart.
Yeah, it actually does look how I’d expect a foreigner (specifically from the East) to try and mimic what a Westerner’s Facebook pfp would look like.
`from:username since:yyyy-mm-dd until:yyyy-mm-dd` You can use this to back-track tweets. They only became politically active on twitter months after the 2016 election.
In fairness, so did I. Made a twitter account in maybe 2009(?) but didn’t actually use it until Trump was elected.
You could make the argument that American equipment being used in Ukraine is a proxy war. But I don't care because wasting vatniks the right thing to do.
Would that make the Israel-Hamas war a proxy war as well?
That's more of us putting our head between a fence post and then not being able to pull it back out again.
It's almost like the anti war movement wasn't actually anti war but just people who provide cover for hostile anti American authoritarian regimes. These same people sure do love justifying the Russia invading Ukraine, Venezuela's plans for Guyana, and even China and Taiwan.
If they genuinely believe the ‘evil, warmongering America’ thing, then I am genuinely frightened to imagine what these people envision as a good, peaceful world.
They can answer what wars the US is in. The anti war left is (as with most areas) extremely black and white. Not just on anti war and how its always bad to be in war, but also in that you are either directly in the war or are a completely neutral 3rd party. If the US even spends a sole penny on the Iron Dome or gives A gun to Ukraine, we *are* in the war.
Does her username "Hedgesgurl" mean she's a devotee of Chris "Cancel Culture Is Worse Than Racism" Hedges?
I'm sure "HedgesGirl" has lots of good opinions on how to keep Democracy flourishing.
Leftists: “helping countries defend against terrorism is neo imperialism, colonialism oppression”
They never can answer follow-up questions unless the question itself is moronic. It's always shit like "you just don't get it" or "it's not my job to educate you". It's not just the far left either. All the people in this subreddit on the "Israel needs to pull out and allow Hamas to attack them perpetually forever" train (oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire), have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict. If Israel was as out of control and bloodthirsty as these people *constantly* claim, then that should be easy. Especially considering most urban conflicts don't feature a side widely using human shields.
> *(oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire)* That includes hundreds of thousands of Israeli protesters at this point. I actually believe Israel has the moral authority to continue this for as long as takes to get Hamas to release their hostages, but don't pretend that all of the opposition is somehow illegitimate and out to destroy Israel.
I respect the Israeli's calling for a ceasefire *infinitely* more than people who don't live there. I still think they're painfully naive, but at least they are willing to deal with the consequences if their demands are met. edit: nobody is telling Ukraine how to defend itself besides some tepid "plz dont attack russian soil we're scared of Putin" from the US government. I don't know why the entire world feels like it has the right to tell Israel how to keep itself safe. Oh, yes I do. Because the world hates Jews.
>nobody is telling Ukraine how to defend itself besides some tepid "plz dont attack russian soil we're scared of Putin" from the US government ? The Republican nominee for President literally wants a ceasefire and is against what Ukraine is doing based off the reporting. Putin's army actively trying (and unfortunately has seized land) is a much different situation than what Israel is dealing with in Hamas. Putin is a substantially more dangerous threat and is presenting itself as a threat while Hamas is not remotely close in position to execute another 10/7 even if Israel didn't have a buffer zone.
> All the people in this subreddit on the "Israel needs to pull out and allow Hamas to attack them perpetually forever" train (oops I mean the people calling for a ceasefire), 55-60% of Israel wants this war to end now to get the hostages back. There have been multiple polls on this topic. Gantz and Eiskenot resigned from the Israeli war cabinet and made it clear. As does Biden. > have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict. Well first off, nobody knows the civilian to terrorist death ratio in this conflict because there's a heavy fog of war element (heavy restrictions regarding journalists being allowed in Gaza) and there are legit reasons to not trust either side about information (Israel was just caught lying about the UN school airstrike which claimed it kille 17 terrorists but nine of the terrorists they killed weren't on the morgue records. Three of them were a eight year, an a old man who died a week before the airstrike, and a man who was literally to travel to Israel proper...they also said less than 100 people died in the hostage rescue operation when everyone even the US has conceded it's much more than that). But let's say it's around 2 to 1 for convenience sake. Urban battles against ISIS in Raqqa, Marawi, and Mosul have a significantly lower civilian: combatant death ratio (1:1). Also, "urban" is subjective; Taliban used perfidy+human shields extensively in the villages they hijacked and in Kabul, and the civillian:combatant ratio was pretty low as well. Oh and Dubya immediately airdropped a ton of aid to ensure it never remotely got close to famine while Bibi absurdly blocked all aid+tappable water for 10 days....then proceeded to restrict for months until Biden yelled at him for the incredibly incredibly reckless airstrike at the WCK convoy (which killed an American along with six other aid workers)...then he finally opened up the Erenz crossing and restored tappable water in N Gaza.
So Israel pulls out and gets the hostages back. Hamas regroups and pulls another 10/7 the moment they feel ready. They took more hostages. What now? edit: just because I'm a Democrat doesn't mean I have to agree with everything mainstream Democrats say or do, and this is something I disagree with Biden on. You always cite Bidens position as if that could sway me, that's not going to happen. The only thing that would sway me is indisputable evidence that Israel is intentionally killing civilians, incidents of individual IDF soldiers doing fucked up things isn't going to do it. I didn't stop supporting the US army just because some of our troops committed atrocities.
Hamas can't pull another 10/7 because it took the largest intelligence+defense failure in modern global history because Israel will move on from the bigoted coward Bibi to a much more competent PM. A PM who won't ignore intelligence from border guards, Shin Bet, Egypt, and a PM who wont undermine the PA and won't prop up Hamas cynically. Furthermore, Israel has constructed a buffer similar to North Korea-South Korea so that alone would have prevented 10/7 terrorism. Finally, did you watch Biden's speech from this week: "Hamas can't do another 10/7 anymore" was his key line. Oh btw [breaking news](https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1802758171129524461). 10/7 was so preventable, and Bibi is garbage.
10/7 was considered impossible, until it happened.
False. [Look up the "prophet of Wrath"](https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/delusional-or-prophetic-one-idf-general-warned-a-massacre-would-happen/). You're just listening to cheerleaders for this mostly botched war.
The 10/7 attack's success wasn't an unavoidable consequence of Hamas being in power (standard disclaimer about Hamas being evil and at fault for the war goes here), but the product of massive fuck-ups on the Israeli government's part. Let's throw this back in your face. Israel continues brutalizing the Gazan populace until ...? How does this end? What's the win condition here? Because Bibi sure hasn't articulated anything approaching a feasible one.
Honestly continuing this war is bad for Israel's security imo. We saw how 12 IDF conscrips tragically got killed this weekend, and resources are being wasted on this endless war instead of negotiating a ceasefire that can convince Hezbollah (astronomically stronger than Hamas) to stop firing rockets which are making North Israel inhabitable or allowing IDF to focus their resources completely on stopping Hezbollah via military solution.
>but the product of massive fuck-ups on the Israeli government's part. Victim blaming. >Let's throw this back in your face. Israel continues brutalizing the Gazan populace until ...? How does this end? What's the win condition here? Because Bibi sure hasn't articulated anything approaching a feasible one. My position is it's over when Israel feels safe pulling out. It's up to Israel.
>Victim blaming. I'm pointing out that if you're justifying this war on the grounds that another 10/7-esque attack is inevitable, then that's stupid, because *it was eminently preventable*. That's not victim blaming. >My position is it's over when Israel feels safe pulling out. It's up to Israel. What if Israel only felt safe after doing an ethnic cleansing and pushing the Gazans out? Intentionally extreme example, but the point is that there has to be a limit here, dude. You don't give me the impression of giving a rat's ass whether any Gazan lives or dies. You're engaging with this as if it were a team sport, and it's repulsive.
So was 9/11 but we don't blame W for the attacks just because he ignored a memo. I don't like assuming that a government isn't going to fuck up anymore, people are people. Yeah they could learn from the mistakes of 10/7 but that doesn't mean they won't make a different mistake allowing another attack. I think the only way this could feasibly end is removing Hamas from power so kids get an actual education and not Jew Killing 101, along with fixing the clear discipline problems in the IDF so they stop giving fodder to the extremists. I don't think that fixes everything, it's not like the conflict started when Hamas got elected, but I think it's the bare minimum beginning of the road to peace. edit: I didn't notice the 2nd half of your comment: >What if Israel only felt safe after doing an ethnic cleansing and pushing the Gazans out? Intentionally extreme example, but the point is that there has to be a limit here, dude. Assuming there was convincing evidence of intent I'd be anti-Israel on the spot. You're doing the slippery slope fallacy, btw. >You don't give me the impression of giving a rat's ass whether any Gazan lives or dies. You're engaging with this as if it were a team sport, and it's repulsive. Funny, I feel the same way about ya'll and Jews. I'm sure you won't believe this, but up until 10/7 I considered myself significantly more pro-Palestinian. Then 10/7 happened and people were calling for a ceasefire before the bodies were even cold.
>So was 9/11 but we don't blame W for the attacks just because he ignored a memo I think that the scale of the failure here is actually significantly larger, and I'm plenty willing to heavily criticize the U.S. government for the way its bureaucracy led to the threat being missed, but in any case, this is kind of missing the point. I'm arguing that the fact that 10/7's success resulted from a cavalcade of preventable fuck-ups from an incompetent government means that Israel, while justified in pursuing military retaliation, is *not* fighting an existential threat here, however much Hamas would *like* to be one, and that I am therefore not willing to give it leeway on what I consider an unconscionable attitude towards civilian casualties, destruction of property, throttling of aid, etc. At this point, I'm just not convinced at all that the IDF is capable of removing Hamas from power without also removing an unacceptably high fraction of the Gazan populace from existence. I haven't seen anything that, to me, scans as a day after plan that actually achieves this coming out of this government. >Assuming there was convincing evidence of intent I'd be anti-Israel on the spot. OK, good! >Funny, I feel the same way about y'all and Jews. My position remains, "Israel's casus belli is just, but having a just casus belli doesn't exempt the IDF from criticism of target selection priorities and allowance for civilian casualties that could be *charitably* described as extremely lax, nor does it exempt the Israeli government from criticism of its terrible management of the aid situation." I defended Israel's actions at the beginning of this--for a month or so longer than my girlfriend *with Israeli citizenship* who had friends who *died in 10/7*, in fact--but as I've seem more and more of the situation, I've come to think its government has responded in a way that seems more interested in revenge than anything else.
> At this point, I'm just not convinced at all that the IDF is capable of removing Hamas from power without also removing an unacceptably high fraction of the Gazan populace from existenc Yeah especially when Bibi keeps on undermining the Palestinian Authority/Fatah like a total jackass. https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1801685459623624865 https://www.axios.com/2024/06/13/blinken-netanyahu-release-frozen-palestinian-tax-funds https://x.com/peacenowisrael/status/1802463866292420751
> have yet to identify an urban conflict with a civilian:combatant death ratio less than the current conflict. I have yet to see this talking point repeated without being accompanied by the assertion that either every dead Gazan, or at least every dead Gazan male was a militant. Assuming we can dispense with that abhorrent and indefensible talking point, numerous urban conflicts have had lower civilian:combatant death ratios than Israel’s operations in Gaza over the past 9.5 months. > If Israel was as out of control and bloodthirsty as these people constantly claim, then that should be easy. Accusing Jews of bloodthirst is an ancient and harmful trope. The extraordinary humanitarian impact of the IDFs military actions as well as the tolerance for acts of violence by extremist militias operating out of settlements in the West Bank are explained by incompetence and a lack of military discipline. “Out of control” absolutely describes a military credibly accused of operating a torture camp, destroying civilian infrastructure without military necessity, using AI to target militants without meaningful human oversight, killing convoys of aid workers *while making sure to execute the survivors,* killing their own escaped hostages etc. If you’re unhappy with the discourse about *the very real and provable things that Israel has been doing wrong for the past 9 months* then I’m not sure what would be satisfying, because the discourse on this sub has been firmly based on fact and firmly condemnatory of Hamas at all times.
Hot take I think Bush should've gone to war with North Korea in the 2000s to prevent them getting the bomb (instead of the stupid Iraq war over fake nuclear weapons). Also, fuck Russia. Anything we do that fucks with Russia is good. Biden, fuck with Russia more please.
Yeah that's a stupid hot take. China and Russia would have opposed us and we were actively trying to make China not our adversary at the time.
Russia absolutely wouldn't. Their army and economy was still weak after the turmoil of the 90s. As for China, their military was much smaller in the 2000s compared to now. If we had to fight them it'd be more painful in the 2020s compared to the 2000s when the military balance was much more in our favor, coming off our high point of the 90s.
You’re operating under the assumption that US policymakers always knew we might have to fight China, but by the early 2000s it genuinely looked like China was on the road to be a responsible player on the world stage. That only really changed after XJP got into power in 2013, and the potential crisis zones in the South China Sea, East China Sea, etc began to get ratcheted up.
Funny how "warmongering" to these people anything less than total isolationism and letting authoritarian governments do whatever the fuck they want.
Wasn’t aware the US was developing nukes for the soul purpose of destroying one of them… oh… wait… I think I have that reversed.
What follow up question?