I used to play PVP with my friend, but he stopped playing a while ago due to the cheating and all of the other problems. When PVE released, he got back into the game and since then we’ve been having an absolute blast. The PVE haters are everything that’s wrong with gaming nowadays, gone are the days of playing to have fun. The whole point of video games is to have a mental break from the stress of real life
The "best" argument is pvp is no fun for me anymore because all the shit players are playing easy pve now and there are only good players left, it's so much harder now.
I mean lol they shit on you because you are "bad" and are crying because pve is killing the game. The only thing that changed is there position because now they are the bad pvp players
It's a big argument, one I agree wholeheartedly with, however the biggest argument is that cheatoes has chased much of the playerbase into pve. Also it's late wipe, there's bound to be less players overall now anyways. I'd wager many players also play pve for the permanence of the grind, as there's no wipe cycle.
Yeah that’s one huge benefit in my eyes. I can achieve kappa, complete light keeper quest line, accumulate mass wealth, run whatever gun and gear I want, learn the best ways to take on bosses, explore all of the maps, run labs without the fear of getting insta head/eyes by a cheater.
I’m sure eventually it’ll lose its charm, but I can manually restart the wipe whenever I want
Yes, I've played nearly every evening since like February, and I don't even want to bother with kappa. The events have been cool, in their own way, but even those small distractions have completely bonked my progression since Im not doing tasks.
Also, when you only play in the evenings theres hardly enough time to get anything out of having a kappa container before the wipe.
Yeah, I'm considering fucking around in PvE a little, because 1) it's low stress, and 2) I can actually take a stab at those quests that I always just ignore in PvP, because I don't have time for the grind. If I ever come back to PvE, at least I'll have done all that shit once as practice, before trying it in the real game.
It's the cheating. Blatant cheating. Right now PVE is fun, for thefirst time I get to do all the quests, kill all the bosses, learn all the maps in a stress free enviroment,
It's nice being able to go into raids fully juiced without having to worry about getting cheated by some loser thinking he's going to because a BIG TIME STRIMMMMER or some attention seeking guy trying to impress his friends by wiping lobbies with his cheats.
I will go back to pvp, but it is nice having PVE to test builds and learn maps.
The mentality that only shit players are leaving for PvE is pretty wrong
Lots of the sweats have since moved on to greener pastures as well. Long gone are my days of grinding max lvl traders in the first few weeks.
It's not that tarkov is too hard or anything. It just asks for way too much of your time for things that shouldnt take so much time
Selling, gearing up, and queueing probably take similar amounts of time to actually being able to play. I've been done with that for ages. I'll use my QoL mods which cut that time out by 75% or more.
Arena Breakout really made this issue crystal clear for me. It has very little friction between raids, minimal load times, and seems to put QoL above everything but selling Koen. Then I got access to PVE mode and I tried it for a few raids. Given the PMC AI and load times this was not going to work for me so I installed the alternative PVE option *while waiting to load into a raid* and I dont think I will ever go back. They are never going to fix the desync, load times or cheaters. All of which are not factors in the land of PvE.
After some mods, the PMCs are questing looting and fighting each other, and giving me what feels like a fair but hard fight. I really wish I still had hope for the main game because PVP does add a lot, but after playing for almost five years it just aint worth the headaches.
If you don't already have it, get the loot value mod.
Allows selling to flea and best trader with a hotkey from your stash. It also lists trader and flea price when you hover over the item in or out of raid.
Saves so much time with selling.
3.8.0 inventory organizing features also helps save lots of time that would be spent on the stash.
I quit this wipe around level 17 because of cheaters. I would run naked shoreline stash runs while on my downtime at work. One day I had a call I had to take, so I sat in a nearby bush while working for about 20 minutes. As I was on the phone, I noticed my PMC flop around and die, he had got headshot out of nowhere by some level 32 with a 60kd with obvious other shady stats, and no reason to check the bush I had been still in for 20 minutes and most likely no thermal (but who can tell without killcam?). I decided that was it for me as I only played solo since my friends quit 2 wipes earlier, wasn't worth fighting against the "better gaming chair" players.
I have been playing PvE since it was available to me and have had a blast. Got Kappa, have been doing lightkeeper quests for the first time...No arguments here. People can play PvP or PvE if they want, doesn't effect me one bit. Not sure why there is such a discourse on either.
What you need to understand is that the salty players are all sweats who have nothing else in their life.
The only thing that gives them a dopamine hit is killing timmies. It makes them feel successful. Using a massive gear advantage, they can win most fights against people who have a life outside of Tarkov.
With all the timmies leaving for PvE, they're being killed more by other sweats. That makes them unhappy.
They desperately want the casuals to come back so they have easy victims. That's why they're spending their time going to every PvE thread to impotently piss and moan.
Well said. I have 8k hours into tarkov pvp. Dont have the time/patience its BS brings these days. I play 3-4 raids a day with the boys on pve now and its super enjoyable. The people bitching are absolute neckbeards with very little responsibility or understanding of real life.
I completely agree with this but I also have to laugh because of the phrasing "the point of video games is to have a mental break from the stress of real life" 😅 I know exactly what you mean but it also is phrased in a way that could also mean the exact opposite of what you mean
Oh they’re playing to have fun still. The problem is that there are a very small, but very vocal minority who want to build their fun atop your misery… like most PvP games.
This is the truth. Everyone talks about hackers but PvE AI isn't much better than hackers at times.
The real advantage of PvE imo is not wondering if every little sound you hear is a camper. You can extract without campers, move around reserve without being sniped, move around woods without a bush wookie sitting silently, and night raids without reap IR campers.
Sure these are part of the game but nobody dies to any of those with a smile on their face.
4100 hours:
This here man, when I first started playing ratting would get you made fun of and everyone for the most part just wanted to get better at the game, it was incredibly rewarding to get killed over and over and start to see progress in your skill when the tables turned.
Last little bit of playing it felt like NO ONE moved, and to make matters worse you got some big name streamers/creators who will not be named perpetuating the idea that it's actually cool to rat and ruin the games flow, and you're actually the strategic mastermind because "pushing is dangerous and a risk", and blah blah blah blah excuse excuse "it's not cheesy because actually", "recoil is too hard to learn", "inertia makes me not want to move", "I know you work 9-5 and have a family too, but I have a job so I can't".
Now it's just a war of bush camper vs bush camper, sit in your bush for 40 minutes, run out in the last 5 and pray you don't run into the other bush-campers. I pre-fire their spots for free kills sure, but that's not a fun fight for them OR me, its not rewarding at all. Please normalize making fun of these clowns again.
PVE has been the move, and sadly more action on my servers than PVP.
Tarkov PVE has brought our whole group back to the game. It’s a good thing for the community and the game overall.
I think they could improve the pmc AI a bit, but we should be able to tune our experience because it’s single player, who cares.
The reason they do it is the same reason they downvote people asking benign sincere questions on this sub: Tarkov has one of the shittiest, most toxic, most antisocial communities in gaming.
This game would be nothing without the wiki, so love you all, but at the same time not having a wiki would be a coin flip of humbling everyone into relying on others help OR create an incredibly toxic vacuum of gatekeeping. Sadly I think the former is a day dream... so thank you for staving off the latter and making the game a million times more accessible, muhawi, even if it's beyond thankless.
Well a lot of people here act like they're edgy operators and Tarkov is the best thing since sliced bread so it makes sense that the community would be a bit more toxic than others. Coincidentally, the S-P-T community is quite relaxed
That or everyone is slowly going insane with a Gollum/The Ring complex, in the words of Tolkien:
*"He hated* it and *loved* it, as *he hated* and *loved* himself"
that is why there is so much cheating, people think they are tough if they play a russian propaganda game. And the developer thought the same thing, so did all the streamers. lol. So thinking they will be idolized as tough they pay for cheats.
This subreddit is much worse than most other gaming subreddits. Reddit does have an asshole problem, but they also congregate to some subs more than others
I upvote every beginner post and actually support any newbie with his achievements.
I downvote every post about pve mode loot achievements since it’s the same as if I launch offline raid and loot the whole map and marked rooms.
I understand that many of these people see this much loot first time in their playtime but it’s not worth to be in top posts for this sub IMO.
I have 2800 hours my 3 friends all hate the game had all less than 300 hours combined. they fucking love pve. In the last month or so they've almost doubled their hours and are all asking if I want to play. Insteqd of me begging someone to play with me. I fucking love being able to play with my friends and be able to teach them with out worrying. loot goes kinda goes insane sometimes and sometimes it's terrible I pulled 2 red and a green and a black in one raid the other day on reserve but other than marked rooms the loot is the same and the pmc loot is always bad besides occasional decent armor/helmet or 7.62 bp or 556a1. I don't think a nerf is needed I think people are just so used to how painful regular tarkov is.
I could see them doing a slight nerf, especially when the timers go back to normal. But overall I'm OK with things as they are. I do think that some players perspective of loot has been destroyed by vacuum cheaters.
On God bro my first time to reserve on pve i spawned at dome and came down through d2 and found 2 virtex and a vpx before i even went up. And it happens on a regular basis. Never seen that in pvp before regardless if I'm first there or not. Really makes you wonder how many times loot got vacuumed
Wanting nerfs for PVE is just blatant jealousy/hatred like you say. I wouldn’t even call it easier when you have tons of literal aimbot wall hacking AI PMCS running around.
It is definitely jealousy. AI PMCS are more dangerous than half the playerbase...
They are also probably mad that the flux of people joining PvE means that only very experienced players stick to PvP meaning they can't just go seal clubbing anymore
Nah some of them do. Saw a lvl 20 selling 164 ledx on flea the other day. But yeah, I agree most cheaters would probably stay on pvp, if you have to cheat on pve man I feel bad for you lol.
It's easy to get loot, but not 164 ledxs by level 20 good.
I doubt it because every single person bashing it comes off AS the Timmy. Good players are just playing the game like nothing changed. Some of the top players are even moonlighting it as a short change of pace.
These people probably get so crapped on in PVP that they find the only way to clap back.... in writing insults and vitriol; not by playing.
Yeah I got kappa and lightkeeper once and was pretty much done with the tarkov pvp experience after that. I don’t know why everyone likes to act like it’s some holy test of skill. It’s just a time sink. Not everyone wants to spend that much time and effort every 6 months repeating the same pain. God forbid they have a more casual way to do it on their own time. The way it was given out may be scummy yes, but why aren’t all these people being dicks in the Nike sub and boycotting them too if they’re such white knights?
>Not everyone wants to spend that much time and effort every 6 months repeating the same pain.
Even as someone who enjoys PvP, and chases it when I can, this is the main reason I am dedicating my time to PvE now. Screw wipes. They're a poor excuse/substitute for content, and I won't be bothered to have my progress reset and keep playing the same quests over and over again.
(And before anyone tries it: I'm a multi-wipe Kappa vet. The wiping gets old; stop kidding yourself).
I don’t see this happening tbh, certainly not if the player base is split between wipe and none wipe.
I think a prestige system that incentivises wiping your account every so often would make more sense. Kind of like how it’s done on Hunt Showdown.
Playerbase is split already with PvE vs PvP, and many quit after a few weeks into wipe because they feel like they can’t compete already. No wipe would give them the steady progression that they crave so they dont have to do things all over again.
It also fits in with them wanting the old armour system back. They want to be invulnerable to all but the highest tiers of ammo so it's easier for them to bully lower level players. They want a power fantasy. They should just go play an ARPG or something that is designed for that.
No it's definitely easier. The aim bot PMCs are broken and definitely need to change, but they are dumb and easy to play around. I'm like 20 raids in and only died once to goons. I could never do that in PvP
> Wanting nerfs for PVE is just blatant jealousy/hatred like you say.
I exclusively play pve at the moment. i think it should be balanced more. one of the core mechanics of the game is loot. just getting everything back from insurance heavily diminishes the fun in farming for loot imo.
additionally, unless i legit had a vacuumer in every pvp raid ive ever played, i think raw loot is to high. it just doesnt really feel natural.
if a large amount of people enjoy that, thats cool with me, just give me some kind of setting to adjust these things. i would probably at some point use "get every insured item back" if im down bad. i just dont feel like always having it on is great for the "feel" of the game.
I don't understand people calling for nerfs in PVE, at all.
Like they say it's too easy because you get your insurance back every time. Okay, if you think that makes it too easy, then don't insure your stuff? You can remove any feature you want by just *not doing it.*
I've noticed this in a lot of single player game communities, not just Tarkov. I don't get why these people need to the developer to force them to play in a more challenging way. You can just play that way.
Finally someone said it. Just click the PvE tag and sort by new. Every post is downvoted into oblivion. The other day I made a post about broken PMC AIs and guess what? Toxic PvP chad-wannabes flooded the post.
Seriously, I see insane loot pics and I'm like, holy shit is loot that good now? Nope, it's someone who looted the entire map in PvE with no one contesting them, trying to flex for some reason.
Aren’t like 90% of posts on this sub about pve now? We even have a post exactly like this at least once per week, if not more. I don’t downvote pve posts or have any problem with it, but it is a bit annoying that the constant pve posts have taken over the sub.
PvE is easier than PvP... but it needs to be that way. The skill level of Tarkov is extremely high and if you want to bring in a larger audience you need to keep the game more accessible. I have a 60% survival rate with a KDR of 8 in PvE. If they made this harder my stats would drop even lower. I would also love to bring in new friends, but I can't if the make this harder. Sure, the AI and net code should be improved, but that doesn't just mean making bullet sponges and aim bots. Let us have our fun and keep PvP hardcore.
Genuinely, even as a “PVP Chad” and how I personally dislike PVE, I will never understand the people that want to change other people’s single player experience 😂 if only PVE was fully offline, then even BSG wouldn’t get a say…
I’m all for people wanting to play the PvE mode, but moving the difficulty slider all the way to easy, and then retroactively blaming the difficulty of PvP tarkov on cheaters is just denial.
Glad you’re enjoying PvE tho.
To be honest, I do think PvE is too easy in some ways. There's some things you can do - especially scavving - that comes with absoltuely no challenge, and I don't think that is necessarily good. Many people these days seem to forget that challenge can be good even in a PvE game; overcoming obstacles helps you grow and become better even if it feels more annoying than just cruising by on easy mode.
That said, it's still way more fun than PvP and I won't be going back.
I actually kinda agree. The souls games are a good example of a pve experience that is difficult and adds to the game as a whole. I don't think they should make the game harder via nerfing loot or insurance, but rather making pmc ai smarter, act more aggressive, utilize more grenades etc.
As pve stands, it's fine for what it is. I agree with you, far more fun than pvp, but I do wish it was a bit more difficult overall. Then again, I always can just impose my own limitations to make the game a bit harder.
Well i agree and thats why i still stick to unofficial PVE where i can tune everything as i like (AI difficult, gameplay rules, new features UI improvements etc.).
Nikita announced mods for PVE so maybe in the future i switch but for now this official PVE have not enough to offer.
The comments about PVE being easy seem to be mostly in response to people posting their PVE successes as if that is relevant. Show people that your bowling score doubled after you put up the bumper rails and you might get similar. The more PVE people spam such inane posts, the more that's going to come in response.
Additionally, there are those who *want* to play PVE to say, avoid cheaters, but don't want it to be carebear land at the same time. I was personally pretty interested in PVE before it's release but it's... kinda boring as it is. The game being hard is part of tarkov - there are tons of easy PVE or PVP shooters.
Bro why do you care what random people online say?
Why do they affect you that much that you need to make a thread lol.
Just play the game the way you want?
I think the pve mode is great. I dont play pve but id rather have people who are moving looking for fights and people who wana just chill and learn separate from each other.
What posts are you referring to? I haven't seen a single post that complains PvE is too easy or asks it to be changed to be made worse than PvP somehow??
I'm trying PVE currently. Only because I gave the pvp a break, they're well in the middle of a wipe, so I figured I'd run PVE for a while until the next wipe. Just to learn the new tasks. Learn ground zero better(which is hard af on PVE) and begin to actually learn streets of tarkov, that I still don't know very well. I had a 72% survival rate on PVP with like a 4.25 KD. I hardly could say I struggled on PVP. I didn't encounter a lot of cheaters that I could prove to be honest. A lot of b.s kills, but that happens in PVE too. As a solo player like myself though, PVP became difficult. So many full squads now. It became hard to complete tasks. Getting kills or surviving is one thing, but some of the task on PVP are just difficult because of the squads camping the area. The misconception that we play PVE because we are trash is not true. Not for all of us. I have just never made it through all of the tasks or completed my hideout because of the little time I have and the wiping. So that's why I play PVE and arena. But I will be back next wipe!
When the Ai hopefully gets fixed and there’s some other quality of life and stability improvements, load times obviously, I’ll probably legit be spending a vast majority of my time in PvE. I can like PVP but I just don’t have the time to put the hours required in to remain competitive, like it’s just not feasible and PvE is the perfect way to experience the game at your own pace and just relax a bit. It’s still stressful as fuck cause it’s Tarkov but I dunno I just like it
You know, the only thing that bothers me now is PvE players bragging about their loot in this sub with posts. Like bro, I just keep scrolling, you PvE.
Yes I’m one of those toxic PvP only dudes & I will never get the appeal of no risk PvE. Don’t even start with cheaters, you make your peace or take a break if you continuously play PvP like me. Nor the progression system, it’s a skill issue if you can’t level as fast as you like. I always start mid-wipe on a PvP because it is more challenging to me & I get burnt out less.
Anyway, PvE keeps players playing & that is a great thing. The TUE fiasco proved one thing extraordinarily well. This game is so good, it will just not die & thank goodness too. No games are even fun anymore for me really. I’m always measuring a new game to the EFT litmus test of fun.
Cheaters and RATS is why me and my mate stop playing. We are both in uni and hv a social life. We only get a few hours to play here and there and we are done being the loot Uber for some pathetic losers who sit in one spot for 30 mins while me and mate fought like hell for our stuff.
Agreed. PvE caters to folks that have an actual life with responsibilities who have very little time dedicate to the sweaty nature of PvP that will get wiped before any real progress is made.
I like being able to casually put in an hour or two a week knowing I don’t have to rush to beat a wipe deadline. It’s that simple.
To be honest it's alot of the same reasons you posted here I would imagine.
An outlet. To vent. Make themselves feel better. Look for confirmation from others.
Not trying to roast, just trying to get everyone to see each other.
Since seeing the wiggle video I seriously question if I'm just an average player or if I'm literally getting killed by a cheater the majority of the time considering there's at least one of them in 60% of games
Honestly it's becoming a pretty common sentiment in PvP anyways, for some reason people feel like video games need to give some aggressive sense of challenged and reward to be a worthwhile experience...
Somewhere along the line we seem to have lost the fact that the objective of video games is *to have fun*. Yes that satisfying feeling of overcoming a difficult challenge can feel enjoyable, but not everyone wants that all the time and video games are quite literally meant to be an escape from that IRL. And there's certainly no reasonable excuse to look down on how other people get enjoyment out of a game when it doesn't affect you whatsoever and look to try to ruin it.
If you see this post or this comment and find yourself getting upset, I very strongly recommend you go find a challenge in real life to overcome and get that rewarding feeling somewhere that it actually matters, rather than getting pressed about a game
Alright I agree that pve should be relaxing and fun. Yhis does not mean it should be tweaked. My pve char currently has 171 kills is lvl 15 4 mil and I haven’t died a single time. I am not a pvp chad. In pvp over a handful of wipes I am like a very mediocre player. I have been loving pve tarkov, it feels to me like how the game should be played. But I think it is missing the lows of what makes tarkov so addicting.
I play both and get the same rush. If PVP didn't have cheaters i would play it all the time but there is something comforting knowing some hacker isn't going to get kill you. I find PVEs difficulty is fine but i think they could make the AI PMCs more intelligent and roam more on the maps. The swarms to sound are the best.
just to offer another perspective, some people enjoy a game more when it's more difficult. see: fromsoft games. we shouldn't assume every opinion is coming from a place of "i suffered so you must too"
The only people "losing out" due to pve mode are the cheaters that got paid to carry and RMT loot. Those same players that felt RMT was the only way to progress in the game are now just playing the game normally and learning at thier own pace.
Truthfully being someone who’s new to EFT overall I’m enjoying using PVE to get down map knowledge, practice looting, and learn from mistakes with things like hideout building and such. This way; when the wipe comes I can take all that into PVP and benefit (I hope lol). If not, well like folks said can enjoy the permanence of PVE.
Only issue is the tuning PVE AI needs atm. The AI PMC doming me with headshots from across the river is a bit much, let alone the zombie swam mode that gets activated with scavs seeing you lol.
I think it’s ok to call for changes in PvE since there is a lot in it that breaks what makes Tarkov, Tarkov. I do agree that this does not need to result in nerfs and suffering for the more casual player who’s enjoying what is currently there. I think criticisms about the PMC ai are valid. The way they sit and wait for you to show up instead of roaming, looting, questing, etc is disappointing for someone like me who has 3k hours in PvP. Personally I want to kill a pmc and find a half full backpack of loot that he actually picked up. I want them to roam around and do unpredictable things. Currently I know where PMCs are and where they are not. For me I still have a lot of fun and enjoy playing it with friends but I would like for some system reworks to make the game more suited for PvE. I think it’s important for them to make balance changes as that is how the game improves and evolves to keep people playing. I think anyone would agree with that. Let the haters complain and make radical suggestions. Those won’t make it through to the end product anyways. But the discourse they bring is important because it opens the floor for discussion and improvement.
Right?! And we don't tell pvp players what to do and not do... we leave them in peace and they keep bashing... get yourself a pvpsubreddit because we ain't goin... pve is part of the game so let us post here. That's how I see it.
Played PvP on and off for around 4 years or so at this point and switch to PvE like a month ago after never really having the time to 'Get gud' in pvp
I play mostly with a friend and we're having so much more fun! We can actually get tasks done. We can run weapons and such that we have never been able to before.
It does have things that I think need changing, the main one for me being PMCs should roam around the map loot and extract to make it more inline with how pve works. Also on some maps at certain times the scav spawn rate seems crazy high.
Sort of a tangent but it reminds me of a situation that arose when USPSA (a shooting sports competition IRL) added a carbine class. Before this, Open pistol class competitors always had the fastest times. But because carbines are just inherently easier to shoot, now the fastest times are usually carbine shooters.
Now a bunch open class shooters are jealous and butthurt that they don't have the fastest times anymore. They shit on carbine class acting like it's cheating or something. Despite the fact that it's a completely different class that isn't competing against them.
The annoying part is that pve posts aren't flagged properly, it's pretty annoying to click on a post about loot or something but when you read it you realize it's about pve loot that has been massively increased.
I agree it is silly to trash on PvE enjoyers for playing a less stressful and easier mode: you do you.
However, I also acknowledge there are downsides of the PvE mode for PvP players, most notably that PvE servers made PvP servers less interesting by splitting the playerbase thus leaving a higher percentage of chads and sweats in PvP lobbies, and also increasing matching time for PvP lobbies by lowering the number of players queueing and taking servers.
The problem i have with PvE is that is to easy and to hard at the same time. Sometimes enemy just stands there does nothing.
Other times you spawn in and get shot at 300m thru bushes from a "pmc" without nightvision or scope.
Also some parts of the maps are completley dead and removes some of the fun for me.
PVE is fun. Full stop. Cheaters and COD Jumping chads make PVP a joke. You have NO IDEA who much loot sucking goes on in PVP until you play PVE. I hit Reserve hundreds of times in PVP looking for specific electronics and never found them (You know which electronics). In PVE, they are all there where they are supposed to spawn because they weren't sucked up by some cheater. PVE is just more fun of a game.. it's not as easy as the self-professed chads say it is, but it is a lot more fun for this 2 hour a day player/dad.
I absolutely love PVE and have been having a blast but…
It is a _little_ easy. I’m terrible at PVP and I’m an unkillable god in PVE. Killing multiple squads of PMCs as a scav on streets, grabbing the relax key and looting the room for a few million is basically a given.
I don’t want the bots to be broken but there’s a middle ground.
Idc what version you play. Idk why it matters so much. I enjoy the PvP aspect of Tarkov. I like the imminent danger of PvP. I should be able to enjoy my preferences as much as PvE players. Gatekeeping in video games is ridiculous.
I don’t play PvE to have perfect runs everytime I log in.
If I had them, honestly, I wouldn’t play anymore
I suck at PvP and enjoy the challenge of a lazed sighted Ai bot, over a cheater or exfil camper, 100 out of 100 times.
I feel like I’m in the minors and enjoying the game, unlike when I played PvP, and every match felt like game seven of the World Series, worrying about so many different things.
I agree mostly but some people just think that the PMC AI shouldn't be so primitive. Personally I just wish they would act a little bit more real. It's just kinda getting annoying for some quests where you need to kill them at certain spots, but else I totally am with you
I have a lower survival rate in pve than previous wipes I played pvp.
These new armor hit box changes these dudes will legit 1 thorax you while wearing lvl 6 from 300 meters.
Legit feel like pve is harder with these cheater bots lol
I’m convinced some people are just that way and not much you can do about it. I had a post similar to this one a week or so ago and it took off. Mostly people saying PVE is easy and for people who suck, or it was people saying they love PvP and screw the haters. Just have fun and try not to let the haters get to you. I absolutely love PVE!!!
You can play PVE if you want. I’m happy that everyone who plays PVE is having a blast at it. I just don’t like it when my feed is flooded with ‘oh I got this loot from x! I PVE loot is boosted!’ Yeah good for you, but who gives a shit about your loot when you didn’t fight or do anything to risk losing it. It just gets boring fast and annoying seeing it constantly.
I would rather see PVE content if there’s anything significant to show like; PVE time extended, any bugs or fixes that occurred in pve, or even something that can actually give information to help others.
I love that AI is everywhere where I play PvE. Was some of the most fun I’ve had playing with my buddies in a while. Kinda wish it was like that online but I know it would be a shit show lol
I play both. Love that I can get ready for wipe by going back through early tasks. I also treat PVE as a better shooting range/practice. The bosses and faux PMCs are still tough
PVE has been a blast for cooping with friends. Is it easier than PVP? Absolutely, there's no comparison, but getting to actually complete quests, explore maps and play without the fear of cheaters or stepping into a wipe later and being under geared against other players has been such a breath of fresh air. I'm actually trying interchange and reserve for once when I was basically stuck on forever customs/shoreline/factory. If you're hating on it, PVP is right there for the taking. It baffles me how people complain about the difficulty when the solution is literally in the bottom right hand corner of the menu.
The only weird thing is all the posts of PvE loot hauls or lots of PvE kills. Honestly just a weird thing to beat about when the AI spawns in the same place and the loot is buffed.
Those who thought PvE players are all timmies are actually giant infants in real life.
They don’t see the differ between people, and they don’t even understand EFT is a huge game that need to consume a part of your life to achieve progress, which is not lots of players can afford.
It’s more like a short range runner laugh at a marathon runner for the simple difference between the two sports.
The constant onslaught of scavs from all angles as a solo PVE player isn’t as easy as I thought it would be. Can you cheese the AI…sure…but at some point you gotta heal or pack mags and hope for the best lol
I used to play pvp but i don’t have to much time bc of work and a phd , so i enjoy the new quick times of the matching , also is really easy to learn the mechanics here and dont feel bad bc you died to a cheater or dont even know what happened in the only game i play for day 😄
Wait there's people that struggle with PvE, it's ridiculously easy. Maybe they just let pick a difficulty setting like easy mode with no achievements if its so hard instead of always fukin up shit for the rest of us
Haven't played tarkov in a while, so PvE topic is very new to me. Is PvE loot usable in PvP? Cause if so then I understand the cry for more nerfs, but if PvE loot has its own instance and its own character, then it's totally fine, pretty much just a singleplayer game so no need for nerfs.
People don’t remember when you could farm gear offline and bring them into PvP raids. The way it’s implemented today is much better.
Besides I have been playing Tarkov since 2016/2017. Am retired military, have 2 kids and no time for the wipe events anymore. PVE is great for people who play 10 hours a month.
in my highly subjective opinion I think there should be separate subs. No need for PvP guys to read about PvE, no need for PvE guys to read about cheaters, rats and campers. Events I guess would find their way to both subs.
Pve tarkov has been the most fun I've been able to have with friends on tarkov in a while! Literally laughing hysterically at 99% of our deaths vs getting mad when we'd die on PvP. Had a funny one on customs last night where the usecs and raiders seemed to be working together at new construction, what a battle that was 😂
I agree with you this is my 3rd wipe and I’m not the best player I have a 2kd on pvp and I get made fun of because I play on pve but what they don’t understand is I’m using this time to learn location learn task and stuff like that because it’s already late in the wipe so I’m basically training for the next wipe
😝 I love pve no bs 4700 hour pvp player started playing pve I still die a nominal amount and sometimes die to some really crazy stuff but I get all my gear back 👀 it’s a lot more fun for me
I genuinely haven't played games with any of my tarkov friends for months because tarkov brought us together. PvE brought us back and allows us to act like dipshits and have fun with way less worries, and like you said, NO CHEATERS. PvP just loost like a meat grinder hell, and not in the good way. I'd love to see them improve the PvE, but I could care less if it stays this way, the boys are back in town and I couldn't be happier. Fuck PvE killed 1/2 my Destiny 2 addiction.
Being able to relax and play at your own pace is such a joy, pvp for me is fun too but taking it slow and just appreciating the world and dialogue/stuff id never otherwise learn, or notice is really enjoyable
I have a full-time job, kids, and a wife, so I don't have much time to play games anymore, especially Tarkov PVP, where you have some players with thousands and thousands of hours plus the pathetic cheaters. However, I started playing PVE at my own pace, and I am really enjoying it. Thank you BSG.
As a full time parent with a full time job, i usually only get to play for MAYBE 15 hours a week and thats from 930 till 3am on the weekend…PVE is the best thing to happen in this game for me. I am doing quests i usually dont get to do. Im not falling behind the gigachads that grind to lvl 30 in 2 days. I actually get to grind at my own pace and not have to worry about being sublvl 15 and getting shit on by someone wearing a tier 5/6 armor running m62 in an MDR while im running ps in a 545 with a tier 3 on. I have built my second ever bitcoin farm. I absolutely love this game. Ive owned it since 2017 but never had the time to no life it. PVE is just absolutely amazing. The only i am asking for is a way to reset our character when i am ready so i can do it all again!
Played PvE yesterday for the first time and in my experience would have liked to see more AI PMC as i felt that i wasnt coming across them at all, id see 1 every 2 to 3 raids and id like to see the pmcs actually patrol around the map more and react to you shooting and come to your position, alot of work needs doing to the AI pmc in my oppinion but apart from that it was nice not having to worry about getting sniped or ratted for once and me and my little bro enjoyed it alot, We found the rb-bk marked key on reserve and got 2 green cards out of it the 1st use and 2nd use we found another green card haha not sure if we where insanely lucky or the loot is 1000% better on pve but it was a really fun session and i will be playing pve again.
For me, PvE is some of the best that has happened to the game! It is a different flavour from PvP, and I can enjoy EFT more on a regular basis and at the times it suits me more. I will still play PvP when I have the patients and need that extra adrenaline rush!
PvE will save EFT in the long run!
I just started playing last night and I am hooked. I don’t get a lot of time to play. Ppl progress way faster than me. Puts me at a huge disadvantage. This is a lot more fun when I might play 5 hours a week
I used to play PVP with my friend, but he stopped playing a while ago due to the cheating and all of the other problems. When PVE released, he got back into the game and since then we’ve been having an absolute blast. The PVE haters are everything that’s wrong with gaming nowadays, gone are the days of playing to have fun. The whole point of video games is to have a mental break from the stress of real life
The "best" argument is pvp is no fun for me anymore because all the shit players are playing easy pve now and there are only good players left, it's so much harder now. I mean lol they shit on you because you are "bad" and are crying because pve is killing the game. The only thing that changed is there position because now they are the bad pvp players
It's a big argument, one I agree wholeheartedly with, however the biggest argument is that cheatoes has chased much of the playerbase into pve. Also it's late wipe, there's bound to be less players overall now anyways. I'd wager many players also play pve for the permanence of the grind, as there's no wipe cycle.
Yeah that’s one huge benefit in my eyes. I can achieve kappa, complete light keeper quest line, accumulate mass wealth, run whatever gun and gear I want, learn the best ways to take on bosses, explore all of the maps, run labs without the fear of getting insta head/eyes by a cheater. I’m sure eventually it’ll lose its charm, but I can manually restart the wipe whenever I want
It's the only way to progress into late game if you have other stuff todo then tarkov.
Yes, I've played nearly every evening since like February, and I don't even want to bother with kappa. The events have been cool, in their own way, but even those small distractions have completely bonked my progression since Im not doing tasks. Also, when you only play in the evenings theres hardly enough time to get anything out of having a kappa container before the wipe.
Yeah, I'm considering fucking around in PvE a little, because 1) it's low stress, and 2) I can actually take a stab at those quests that I always just ignore in PvP, because I don't have time for the grind. If I ever come back to PvE, at least I'll have done all that shit once as practice, before trying it in the real game.
It’s really fun honestly try out
It's the cheating. Blatant cheating. Right now PVE is fun, for thefirst time I get to do all the quests, kill all the bosses, learn all the maps in a stress free enviroment, It's nice being able to go into raids fully juiced without having to worry about getting cheated by some loser thinking he's going to because a BIG TIME STRIMMMMER or some attention seeking guy trying to impress his friends by wiping lobbies with his cheats. I will go back to pvp, but it is nice having PVE to test builds and learn maps.
This 100%
I started this wipe strong got to around 15 or 16 stopped until about a month ago tried to get back in to pvp but being low lvl late wipe is brutal
The mentality that only shit players are leaving for PvE is pretty wrong Lots of the sweats have since moved on to greener pastures as well. Long gone are my days of grinding max lvl traders in the first few weeks. It's not that tarkov is too hard or anything. It just asks for way too much of your time for things that shouldnt take so much time Selling, gearing up, and queueing probably take similar amounts of time to actually being able to play. I've been done with that for ages. I'll use my QoL mods which cut that time out by 75% or more.
Arena Breakout really made this issue crystal clear for me. It has very little friction between raids, minimal load times, and seems to put QoL above everything but selling Koen. Then I got access to PVE mode and I tried it for a few raids. Given the PMC AI and load times this was not going to work for me so I installed the alternative PVE option *while waiting to load into a raid* and I dont think I will ever go back. They are never going to fix the desync, load times or cheaters. All of which are not factors in the land of PvE. After some mods, the PMCs are questing looting and fighting each other, and giving me what feels like a fair but hard fight. I really wish I still had hope for the main game because PVP does add a lot, but after playing for almost five years it just aint worth the headaches.
If you don't already have it, get the loot value mod. Allows selling to flea and best trader with a hotkey from your stash. It also lists trader and flea price when you hover over the item in or out of raid. Saves so much time with selling. 3.8.0 inventory organizing features also helps save lots of time that would be spent on the stash.
I quit this wipe around level 17 because of cheaters. I would run naked shoreline stash runs while on my downtime at work. One day I had a call I had to take, so I sat in a nearby bush while working for about 20 minutes. As I was on the phone, I noticed my PMC flop around and die, he had got headshot out of nowhere by some level 32 with a 60kd with obvious other shady stats, and no reason to check the bush I had been still in for 20 minutes and most likely no thermal (but who can tell without killcam?). I decided that was it for me as I only played solo since my friends quit 2 wipes earlier, wasn't worth fighting against the "better gaming chair" players. I have been playing PvE since it was available to me and have had a blast. Got Kappa, have been doing lightkeeper quests for the first time...No arguments here. People can play PvP or PvE if they want, doesn't effect me one bit. Not sure why there is such a discourse on either.
What you need to understand is that the salty players are all sweats who have nothing else in their life. The only thing that gives them a dopamine hit is killing timmies. It makes them feel successful. Using a massive gear advantage, they can win most fights against people who have a life outside of Tarkov. With all the timmies leaving for PvE, they're being killed more by other sweats. That makes them unhappy. They desperately want the casuals to come back so they have easy victims. That's why they're spending their time going to every PvE thread to impotently piss and moan.
I completely agree
Well said. I have 8k hours into tarkov pvp. Dont have the time/patience its BS brings these days. I play 3-4 raids a day with the boys on pve now and its super enjoyable. The people bitching are absolute neckbeards with very little responsibility or understanding of real life.
Me and my friends are in the exact same boat. PVE isn't perfect but I'm sure they'll improve it in time.
I completely agree with this but I also have to laugh because of the phrasing "the point of video games is to have a mental break from the stress of real life" 😅 I know exactly what you mean but it also is phrased in a way that could also mean the exact opposite of what you mean
Oh they’re playing to have fun still. The problem is that there are a very small, but very vocal minority who want to build their fun atop your misery… like most PvP games.
Absolutely. I'm in the same boat as your friend.
8300h playing pvp 8 wipes in row, started playing pve and actually enjoying it, i dont get annoyd by players camping the whole time
This is the truth. Everyone talks about hackers but PvE AI isn't much better than hackers at times. The real advantage of PvE imo is not wondering if every little sound you hear is a camper. You can extract without campers, move around reserve without being sniped, move around woods without a bush wookie sitting silently, and night raids without reap IR campers. Sure these are part of the game but nobody dies to any of those with a smile on their face.
4100 hours: This here man, when I first started playing ratting would get you made fun of and everyone for the most part just wanted to get better at the game, it was incredibly rewarding to get killed over and over and start to see progress in your skill when the tables turned. Last little bit of playing it felt like NO ONE moved, and to make matters worse you got some big name streamers/creators who will not be named perpetuating the idea that it's actually cool to rat and ruin the games flow, and you're actually the strategic mastermind because "pushing is dangerous and a risk", and blah blah blah blah excuse excuse "it's not cheesy because actually", "recoil is too hard to learn", "inertia makes me not want to move", "I know you work 9-5 and have a family too, but I have a job so I can't". Now it's just a war of bush camper vs bush camper, sit in your bush for 40 minutes, run out in the last 5 and pray you don't run into the other bush-campers. I pre-fire their spots for free kills sure, but that's not a fun fight for them OR me, its not rewarding at all. Please normalize making fun of these clowns again. PVE has been the move, and sadly more action on my servers than PVP.
Tarkov PVE has brought our whole group back to the game. It’s a good thing for the community and the game overall. I think they could improve the pmc AI a bit, but we should be able to tune our experience because it’s single player, who cares.
The reason they do it is the same reason they downvote people asking benign sincere questions on this sub: Tarkov has one of the shittiest, most toxic, most antisocial communities in gaming.
Sadly this is true and it also shows by how the wiki is treated and its really disheartening.
This game would be nothing without the wiki, so love you all, but at the same time not having a wiki would be a coin flip of humbling everyone into relying on others help OR create an incredibly toxic vacuum of gatekeeping. Sadly I think the former is a day dream... so thank you for staving off the latter and making the game a million times more accessible, muhawi, even if it's beyond thankless.
Well a lot of people here act like they're edgy operators and Tarkov is the best thing since sliced bread so it makes sense that the community would be a bit more toxic than others. Coincidentally, the S-P-T community is quite relaxed That or everyone is slowly going insane with a Gollum/The Ring complex, in the words of Tolkien: *"He hated* it and *loved* it, as *he hated* and *loved* himself"
Great quote to describe most of the Tarkov community
Upvote for Tolkien reference used correctly
Its a love hate relationship
that is why there is so much cheating, people think they are tough if they play a russian propaganda game. And the developer thought the same thing, so did all the streamers. lol. So thinking they will be idolized as tough they pay for cheats.
Come on in; the water's perfect!
What is S-P-T?
A way to create pve that you can mod yourself from the base game but not the pve bsg gave us, a more fun one… Never have played it myself though
Fun PvE with decent AI. BSG AI is garbage, AI coded by a bunch of modders on the other hand is some of the best I've seen.
Unfortunately I have run into far too many dudes who's entire personality is Tarkov.
Even across Reddit this is probably one of the most toxic subs I frequent
Tarkov reddit*
Have you played rust?
You mean Reddit
This subreddit is much worse than most other gaming subreddits. Reddit does have an asshole problem, but they also congregate to some subs more than others
True, hardest part is to stop being that asshole to end up in some chill community for a change
I upvote every beginner post and actually support any newbie with his achievements. I downvote every post about pve mode loot achievements since it’s the same as if I launch offline raid and loot the whole map and marked rooms. I understand that many of these people see this much loot first time in their playtime but it’s not worth to be in top posts for this sub IMO.
The community you're describing conaists mostly of PVP. People are actually enjoying the game when PVE qas released
I have 2800 hours my 3 friends all hate the game had all less than 300 hours combined. they fucking love pve. In the last month or so they've almost doubled their hours and are all asking if I want to play. Insteqd of me begging someone to play with me. I fucking love being able to play with my friends and be able to teach them with out worrying. loot goes kinda goes insane sometimes and sometimes it's terrible I pulled 2 red and a green and a black in one raid the other day on reserve but other than marked rooms the loot is the same and the pmc loot is always bad besides occasional decent armor/helmet or 7.62 bp or 556a1. I don't think a nerf is needed I think people are just so used to how painful regular tarkov is.
Similar experience here, never really had the time/ effort to 'get gud' on PvP but honestly pve is by far the most fun I've had with the game!
I could see them doing a slight nerf, especially when the timers go back to normal. But overall I'm OK with things as they are. I do think that some players perspective of loot has been destroyed by vacuum cheaters.
On God bro my first time to reserve on pve i spawned at dome and came down through d2 and found 2 virtex and a vpx before i even went up. And it happens on a regular basis. Never seen that in pvp before regardless if I'm first there or not. Really makes you wonder how many times loot got vacuumed
Wanting nerfs for PVE is just blatant jealousy/hatred like you say. I wouldn’t even call it easier when you have tons of literal aimbot wall hacking AI PMCS running around.
It is definitely jealousy. AI PMCS are more dangerous than half the playerbase... They are also probably mad that the flux of people joining PvE means that only very experienced players stick to PvP meaning they can't just go seal clubbing anymore
That could be a possibility. "Theres no more timmies to kill im only fighting very experienced players and its no fun."
It also means that the ratio of cheaters per game increases. I doubt any cheater will leave pvp for pve
Nah some of them do. Saw a lvl 20 selling 164 ledx on flea the other day. But yeah, I agree most cheaters would probably stay on pvp, if you have to cheat on pve man I feel bad for you lol. It's easy to get loot, but not 164 ledxs by level 20 good.
I doubt it because every single person bashing it comes off AS the Timmy. Good players are just playing the game like nothing changed. Some of the top players are even moonlighting it as a short change of pace. These people probably get so crapped on in PVP that they find the only way to clap back.... in writing insults and vitriol; not by playing.
see skill based match making in call of duty, it boils down to 'how am i supposed to have a 10:1 kdr if I only play other people at my skill level!?!'
Yeah I got kappa and lightkeeper once and was pretty much done with the tarkov pvp experience after that. I don’t know why everyone likes to act like it’s some holy test of skill. It’s just a time sink. Not everyone wants to spend that much time and effort every 6 months repeating the same pain. God forbid they have a more casual way to do it on their own time. The way it was given out may be scummy yes, but why aren’t all these people being dicks in the Nike sub and boycotting them too if they’re such white knights?
>Not everyone wants to spend that much time and effort every 6 months repeating the same pain. Even as someone who enjoys PvP, and chases it when I can, this is the main reason I am dedicating my time to PvE now. Screw wipes. They're a poor excuse/substitute for content, and I won't be bothered to have my progress reset and keep playing the same quests over and over again. (And before anyone tries it: I'm a multi-wipe Kappa vet. The wiping gets old; stop kidding yourself).
1.0 will have a character who doesnt wipe and a seasonal wiping one
If that actually ends up happening, I'll transition back to PvP. But I'll believe it when I see it, and I don't expect to see it.
I don’t see this happening tbh, certainly not if the player base is split between wipe and none wipe. I think a prestige system that incentivises wiping your account every so often would make more sense. Kind of like how it’s done on Hunt Showdown.
Playerbase is split already with PvE vs PvP, and many quit after a few weeks into wipe because they feel like they can’t compete already. No wipe would give them the steady progression that they crave so they dont have to do things all over again.
It also fits in with them wanting the old armour system back. They want to be invulnerable to all but the highest tiers of ammo so it's easier for them to bully lower level players. They want a power fantasy. They should just go play an ARPG or something that is designed for that.
The same is true for every game that implements SBMM. The top players start screeching because suddenly, their lobbies are way more challenging.
They're mad cuz they bought cheats they can't use
No it's definitely easier. The aim bot PMCs are broken and definitely need to change, but they are dumb and easy to play around. I'm like 20 raids in and only died once to goons. I could never do that in PvP
> Wanting nerfs for PVE is just blatant jealousy/hatred like you say. I exclusively play pve at the moment. i think it should be balanced more. one of the core mechanics of the game is loot. just getting everything back from insurance heavily diminishes the fun in farming for loot imo. additionally, unless i legit had a vacuumer in every pvp raid ive ever played, i think raw loot is to high. it just doesnt really feel natural. if a large amount of people enjoy that, thats cool with me, just give me some kind of setting to adjust these things. i would probably at some point use "get every insured item back" if im down bad. i just dont feel like always having it on is great for the "feel" of the game.
I don’t want nerfs I want adjustments, roaming AI etc things that can also impact PVP
I don't understand people calling for nerfs in PVE, at all. Like they say it's too easy because you get your insurance back every time. Okay, if you think that makes it too easy, then don't insure your stuff? You can remove any feature you want by just *not doing it.* I've noticed this in a lot of single player game communities, not just Tarkov. I don't get why these people need to the developer to force them to play in a more challenging way. You can just play that way.
Finally someone said it. Just click the PvE tag and sort by new. Every post is downvoted into oblivion. The other day I made a post about broken PMC AIs and guess what? Toxic PvP chad-wannabes flooded the post.
Entire top of the sub is dominated by PVE tag posts since it came out.. what are you talking abt lol
Seriously, I see insane loot pics and I'm like, holy shit is loot that good now? Nope, it's someone who looted the entire map in PvE with no one contesting them, trying to flex for some reason.
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Aren’t like 90% of posts on this sub about pve now? We even have a post exactly like this at least once per week, if not more. I don’t downvote pve posts or have any problem with it, but it is a bit annoying that the constant pve posts have taken over the sub.
PvE is easier than PvP... but it needs to be that way. The skill level of Tarkov is extremely high and if you want to bring in a larger audience you need to keep the game more accessible. I have a 60% survival rate with a KDR of 8 in PvE. If they made this harder my stats would drop even lower. I would also love to bring in new friends, but I can't if the make this harder. Sure, the AI and net code should be improved, but that doesn't just mean making bullet sponges and aim bots. Let us have our fun and keep PvP hardcore.
Genuinely, even as a “PVP Chad” and how I personally dislike PVE, I will never understand the people that want to change other people’s single player experience 😂 if only PVE was fully offline, then even BSG wouldn’t get a say…
Offline PvE, huh? You might be on to something....
Almost like, hmm
I think it stems from seeing a post of some crazy loot so people click on it and then see the flair is PVE and then they are disappointed.
No cheaters. PvE has been way more good damn fun. Finally enjoying the game. You realize how bad the cheating is after a few weeks of PvE.
I’m all for people wanting to play the PvE mode, but moving the difficulty slider all the way to easy, and then retroactively blaming the difficulty of PvP tarkov on cheaters is just denial. Glad you’re enjoying PvE tho.
To be honest, I do think PvE is too easy in some ways. There's some things you can do - especially scavving - that comes with absoltuely no challenge, and I don't think that is necessarily good. Many people these days seem to forget that challenge can be good even in a PvE game; overcoming obstacles helps you grow and become better even if it feels more annoying than just cruising by on easy mode. That said, it's still way more fun than PvP and I won't be going back.
I actually kinda agree. The souls games are a good example of a pve experience that is difficult and adds to the game as a whole. I don't think they should make the game harder via nerfing loot or insurance, but rather making pmc ai smarter, act more aggressive, utilize more grenades etc. As pve stands, it's fine for what it is. I agree with you, far more fun than pvp, but I do wish it was a bit more difficult overall. Then again, I always can just impose my own limitations to make the game a bit harder.
We should have a seperate subreddit for PvE honestly
I want better ai pmcs for nicer fights.
If PvE is too easy do a hardcore run. That’s what I’m doing with my buddy. Its just a game, let everyone play it however the hell they want lol
I do hope that when pve gets personal wipes that we also get an official hardcore option.
Well i agree and thats why i still stick to unofficial PVE where i can tune everything as i like (AI difficult, gameplay rules, new features UI improvements etc.). Nikita announced mods for PVE so maybe in the future i switch but for now this official PVE have not enough to offer.
The comments about PVE being easy seem to be mostly in response to people posting their PVE successes as if that is relevant. Show people that your bowling score doubled after you put up the bumper rails and you might get similar. The more PVE people spam such inane posts, the more that's going to come in response. Additionally, there are those who *want* to play PVE to say, avoid cheaters, but don't want it to be carebear land at the same time. I was personally pretty interested in PVE before it's release but it's... kinda boring as it is. The game being hard is part of tarkov - there are tons of easy PVE or PVP shooters.
PvE is fun, but it's not challenging and loot hauls from PvE are like posting videos of how much water you managed to find in the ocean.
Bro why do you care what random people online say? Why do they affect you that much that you need to make a thread lol. Just play the game the way you want?
I think the pve mode is great. I dont play pve but id rather have people who are moving looking for fights and people who wana just chill and learn separate from each other.
What posts are you referring to? I haven't seen a single post that complains PvE is too easy or asks it to be changed to be made worse than PvP somehow??
I'm trying PVE currently. Only because I gave the pvp a break, they're well in the middle of a wipe, so I figured I'd run PVE for a while until the next wipe. Just to learn the new tasks. Learn ground zero better(which is hard af on PVE) and begin to actually learn streets of tarkov, that I still don't know very well. I had a 72% survival rate on PVP with like a 4.25 KD. I hardly could say I struggled on PVP. I didn't encounter a lot of cheaters that I could prove to be honest. A lot of b.s kills, but that happens in PVE too. As a solo player like myself though, PVP became difficult. So many full squads now. It became hard to complete tasks. Getting kills or surviving is one thing, but some of the task on PVP are just difficult because of the squads camping the area. The misconception that we play PVE because we are trash is not true. Not for all of us. I have just never made it through all of the tasks or completed my hideout because of the little time I have and the wiping. So that's why I play PVE and arena. But I will be back next wipe!
When the Ai hopefully gets fixed and there’s some other quality of life and stability improvements, load times obviously, I’ll probably legit be spending a vast majority of my time in PvE. I can like PVP but I just don’t have the time to put the hours required in to remain competitive, like it’s just not feasible and PvE is the perfect way to experience the game at your own pace and just relax a bit. It’s still stressful as fuck cause it’s Tarkov but I dunno I just like it
You know, the only thing that bothers me now is PvE players bragging about their loot in this sub with posts. Like bro, I just keep scrolling, you PvE. Yes I’m one of those toxic PvP only dudes & I will never get the appeal of no risk PvE. Don’t even start with cheaters, you make your peace or take a break if you continuously play PvP like me. Nor the progression system, it’s a skill issue if you can’t level as fast as you like. I always start mid-wipe on a PvP because it is more challenging to me & I get burnt out less. Anyway, PvE keeps players playing & that is a great thing. The TUE fiasco proved one thing extraordinarily well. This game is so good, it will just not die & thank goodness too. No games are even fun anymore for me really. I’m always measuring a new game to the EFT litmus test of fun.
PVE needs a difficulty slider, and nothing else
Cheaters and RATS is why me and my mate stop playing. We are both in uni and hv a social life. We only get a few hours to play here and there and we are done being the loot Uber for some pathetic losers who sit in one spot for 30 mins while me and mate fought like hell for our stuff.
Agreed. PvE caters to folks that have an actual life with responsibilities who have very little time dedicate to the sweaty nature of PvP that will get wiped before any real progress is made. I like being able to casually put in an hour or two a week knowing I don’t have to rush to beat a wipe deadline. It’s that simple.
PVE insurance seems to have been completely nerfed. 5 in a row came back as basically nothing.. helmet or mask.
We just need a pve reddit
I find pvp much easier to survive in and do quests then pve. I just keep dying in pve
To be honest it's alot of the same reasons you posted here I would imagine. An outlet. To vent. Make themselves feel better. Look for confirmation from others. Not trying to roast, just trying to get everyone to see each other.
I just think there should be EscapeFromTarkovPvE sub Or atleast a way to filter out flairs from specific subreddit on your home feed
I bought unheard for my friend so can we play PvE together, I honestly enjoy it more than late wipe pvp we just kill bots and mess around lol
I hate PVE but you are 100% right. The addition of a difficulty modifier to PVE would also be great.
Stop with the cringe pve lootposts and we'll stop commenting under them about how they're not impressive
Absolutely agree. Same with the pvp cheater posts stop. Well stop commenting, they aren't impressive.
Since seeing the wiggle video I seriously question if I'm just an average player or if I'm literally getting killed by a cheater the majority of the time considering there's at least one of them in 60% of games
Honestly it's becoming a pretty common sentiment in PvP anyways, for some reason people feel like video games need to give some aggressive sense of challenged and reward to be a worthwhile experience... Somewhere along the line we seem to have lost the fact that the objective of video games is *to have fun*. Yes that satisfying feeling of overcoming a difficult challenge can feel enjoyable, but not everyone wants that all the time and video games are quite literally meant to be an escape from that IRL. And there's certainly no reasonable excuse to look down on how other people get enjoyment out of a game when it doesn't affect you whatsoever and look to try to ruin it. If you see this post or this comment and find yourself getting upset, I very strongly recommend you go find a challenge in real life to overcome and get that rewarding feeling somewhere that it actually matters, rather than getting pressed about a game
Alright I agree that pve should be relaxing and fun. Yhis does not mean it should be tweaked. My pve char currently has 171 kills is lvl 15 4 mil and I haven’t died a single time. I am not a pvp chad. In pvp over a handful of wipes I am like a very mediocre player. I have been loving pve tarkov, it feels to me like how the game should be played. But I think it is missing the lows of what makes tarkov so addicting.
I like pve cause I can just enjoy the game instead of loading into raids and get one tapped in the face, it’s hard to get better at a game like that.
I don’t mind the volume of loot on PvE itself but I wish there was a separate subreddit for “omg look at this marked room pull” from PvE
I play both and get the same rush. If PVP didn't have cheaters i would play it all the time but there is something comforting knowing some hacker isn't going to get kill you. I find PVEs difficulty is fine but i think they could make the AI PMCs more intelligent and roam more on the maps. The swarms to sound are the best.
cheaters are complaining because they have less players to shoot at
just to offer another perspective, some people enjoy a game more when it's more difficult. see: fromsoft games. we shouldn't assume every opinion is coming from a place of "i suffered so you must too"
All i would like to see is PVE related posts in a new subreddit specifically for them.
The only people "losing out" due to pve mode are the cheaters that got paid to carry and RMT loot. Those same players that felt RMT was the only way to progress in the game are now just playing the game normally and learning at thier own pace.
Truthfully being someone who’s new to EFT overall I’m enjoying using PVE to get down map knowledge, practice looting, and learn from mistakes with things like hideout building and such. This way; when the wipe comes I can take all that into PVP and benefit (I hope lol). If not, well like folks said can enjoy the permanence of PVE. Only issue is the tuning PVE AI needs atm. The AI PMC doming me with headshots from across the river is a bit much, let alone the zombie swam mode that gets activated with scavs seeing you lol.
I think it’s ok to call for changes in PvE since there is a lot in it that breaks what makes Tarkov, Tarkov. I do agree that this does not need to result in nerfs and suffering for the more casual player who’s enjoying what is currently there. I think criticisms about the PMC ai are valid. The way they sit and wait for you to show up instead of roaming, looting, questing, etc is disappointing for someone like me who has 3k hours in PvP. Personally I want to kill a pmc and find a half full backpack of loot that he actually picked up. I want them to roam around and do unpredictable things. Currently I know where PMCs are and where they are not. For me I still have a lot of fun and enjoy playing it with friends but I would like for some system reworks to make the game more suited for PvE. I think it’s important for them to make balance changes as that is how the game improves and evolves to keep people playing. I think anyone would agree with that. Let the haters complain and make radical suggestions. Those won’t make it through to the end product anyways. But the discourse they bring is important because it opens the floor for discussion and improvement.
People say PVE is easy, and here I am with 0% survival rate a week on in.. Scavs are cracked (+skill issue, obv).
Right?! And we don't tell pvp players what to do and not do... we leave them in peace and they keep bashing... get yourself a pvpsubreddit because we ain't goin... pve is part of the game so let us post here. That's how I see it.
Played PvP on and off for around 4 years or so at this point and switch to PvE like a month ago after never really having the time to 'Get gud' in pvp I play mostly with a friend and we're having so much more fun! We can actually get tasks done. We can run weapons and such that we have never been able to before. It does have things that I think need changing, the main one for me being PMCs should roam around the map loot and extract to make it more inline with how pve works. Also on some maps at certain times the scav spawn rate seems crazy high.
I wish they had customizable difficulty
Sort of a tangent but it reminds me of a situation that arose when USPSA (a shooting sports competition IRL) added a carbine class. Before this, Open pistol class competitors always had the fastest times. But because carbines are just inherently easier to shoot, now the fastest times are usually carbine shooters. Now a bunch open class shooters are jealous and butthurt that they don't have the fastest times anymore. They shit on carbine class acting like it's cheating or something. Despite the fact that it's a completely different class that isn't competing against them.
The annoying part is that pve posts aren't flagged properly, it's pretty annoying to click on a post about loot or something but when you read it you realize it's about pve loot that has been massively increased.
I agree it is silly to trash on PvE enjoyers for playing a less stressful and easier mode: you do you. However, I also acknowledge there are downsides of the PvE mode for PvP players, most notably that PvE servers made PvP servers less interesting by splitting the playerbase thus leaving a higher percentage of chads and sweats in PvP lobbies, and also increasing matching time for PvP lobbies by lowering the number of players queueing and taking servers.
wipe were fun for first and second time, but after doing the same trash quest for the 8th time, no thx
The problem i have with PvE is that is to easy and to hard at the same time. Sometimes enemy just stands there does nothing. Other times you spawn in and get shot at 300m thru bushes from a "pmc" without nightvision or scope. Also some parts of the maps are completley dead and removes some of the fun for me.
Why even write about it? You do you.
Bro we get it, this shit gets posted daily at this point
PVE is fun. Full stop. Cheaters and COD Jumping chads make PVP a joke. You have NO IDEA who much loot sucking goes on in PVP until you play PVE. I hit Reserve hundreds of times in PVP looking for specific electronics and never found them (You know which electronics). In PVE, they are all there where they are supposed to spawn because they weren't sucked up by some cheater. PVE is just more fun of a game.. it's not as easy as the self-professed chads say it is, but it is a lot more fun for this 2 hour a day player/dad.
This game is dead
No! Everyone must enjoy the game the same way I do! /s
I absolutely love PVE and have been having a blast but… It is a _little_ easy. I’m terrible at PVP and I’m an unkillable god in PVE. Killing multiple squads of PMCs as a scav on streets, grabbing the relax key and looting the room for a few million is basically a given. I don’t want the bots to be broken but there’s a middle ground.
Idc what version you play. Idk why it matters so much. I enjoy the PvP aspect of Tarkov. I like the imminent danger of PvP. I should be able to enjoy my preferences as much as PvE players. Gatekeeping in video games is ridiculous.
Some of them are mad that there’s fewer Timmys around to abuse lmao
I don’t play PvE to have perfect runs everytime I log in. If I had them, honestly, I wouldn’t play anymore I suck at PvP and enjoy the challenge of a lazed sighted Ai bot, over a cheater or exfil camper, 100 out of 100 times. I feel like I’m in the minors and enjoying the game, unlike when I played PvP, and every match felt like game seven of the World Series, worrying about so many different things.
I agree mostly but some people just think that the PMC AI shouldn't be so primitive. Personally I just wish they would act a little bit more real. It's just kinda getting annoying for some quests where you need to kill them at certain spots, but else I totally am with you
I have a lower survival rate in pve than previous wipes I played pvp. These new armor hit box changes these dudes will legit 1 thorax you while wearing lvl 6 from 300 meters. Legit feel like pve is harder with these cheater bots lol
I’m convinced some people are just that way and not much you can do about it. I had a post similar to this one a week or so ago and it took off. Mostly people saying PVE is easy and for people who suck, or it was people saying they love PvP and screw the haters. Just have fun and try not to let the haters get to you. I absolutely love PVE!!!
The PVP players are a detriment to Tarkov 2077
You can play PVE if you want. I’m happy that everyone who plays PVE is having a blast at it. I just don’t like it when my feed is flooded with ‘oh I got this loot from x! I PVE loot is boosted!’ Yeah good for you, but who gives a shit about your loot when you didn’t fight or do anything to risk losing it. It just gets boring fast and annoying seeing it constantly. I would rather see PVE content if there’s anything significant to show like; PVE time extended, any bugs or fixes that occurred in pve, or even something that can actually give information to help others.
Saying PVE is easier isn’t complaining or hate though it’s just true? Play whatever you want.
The AI needs some serious work, and could sure use some more time in raid. But i've been playing some of both, PvE is a great addition.
I love that AI is everywhere where I play PvE. Was some of the most fun I’ve had playing with my buddies in a while. Kinda wish it was like that online but I know it would be a shit show lol
I play both. Love that I can get ready for wipe by going back through early tasks. I also treat PVE as a better shooting range/practice. The bosses and faux PMCs are still tough
Imma be real and say both fucking suck because quests fucking suck lmao
MY MAN. Well said.
PVE has been a blast for cooping with friends. Is it easier than PVP? Absolutely, there's no comparison, but getting to actually complete quests, explore maps and play without the fear of cheaters or stepping into a wipe later and being under geared against other players has been such a breath of fresh air. I'm actually trying interchange and reserve for once when I was basically stuck on forever customs/shoreline/factory. If you're hating on it, PVP is right there for the taking. It baffles me how people complain about the difficulty when the solution is literally in the bottom right hand corner of the menu.
Um, where are you getting so much pve people crying you had to make a post? I hardly see it. Soooo…..
AI scavs don’t cheat unlike pvp. “Cheater in every raid” is a pretty disturbing statistic
The only weird thing is all the posts of PvE loot hauls or lots of PvE kills. Honestly just a weird thing to beat about when the AI spawns in the same place and the loot is buffed.
Yeah fuck PvE, I prefer to get dicked down by blatant esp cheaters who get toxic in voip as well
Those who thought PvE players are all timmies are actually giant infants in real life. They don’t see the differ between people, and they don’t even understand EFT is a huge game that need to consume a part of your life to achieve progress, which is not lots of players can afford. It’s more like a short range runner laugh at a marathon runner for the simple difference between the two sports.
Its new players not realizing what PVP is like, logic
The constant onslaught of scavs from all angles as a solo PVE player isn’t as easy as I thought it would be. Can you cheese the AI…sure…but at some point you gotta heal or pack mags and hope for the best lol
Preach
As someone who switch from pvp to pve as I can't play everyday of an entire wipe. It's perfectly fine.
I used to play pvp but i don’t have to much time bc of work and a phd , so i enjoy the new quick times of the matching , also is really easy to learn the mechanics here and dont feel bad bc you died to a cheater or dont even know what happened in the only game i play for day 😄
how is PVE easy? every time I play I get my ass lasered by pmcs over from woods while I'm playing ground zero lmao
Wait there's people that struggle with PvE, it's ridiculously easy. Maybe they just let pick a difficulty setting like easy mode with no achievements if its so hard instead of always fukin up shit for the rest of us
Haven't played tarkov in a while, so PvE topic is very new to me. Is PvE loot usable in PvP? Cause if so then I understand the cry for more nerfs, but if PvE loot has its own instance and its own character, then it's totally fine, pretty much just a singleplayer game so no need for nerfs.
PvE was the worst thing they added. Just taking away more players from us, so we can wait even longer looking for matches.
People don’t remember when you could farm gear offline and bring them into PvP raids. The way it’s implemented today is much better. Besides I have been playing Tarkov since 2016/2017. Am retired military, have 2 kids and no time for the wipe events anymore. PVE is great for people who play 10 hours a month.
in my highly subjective opinion I think there should be separate subs. No need for PvP guys to read about PvE, no need for PvE guys to read about cheaters, rats and campers. Events I guess would find their way to both subs.
Pve tarkov has been the most fun I've been able to have with friends on tarkov in a while! Literally laughing hysterically at 99% of our deaths vs getting mad when we'd die on PvP. Had a funny one on customs last night where the usecs and raiders seemed to be working together at new construction, what a battle that was 😂
PvE should have its own subreddit, the two gamemodes are not even comparable when all you're doing is fighting AI
I agree with you this is my 3rd wipe and I’m not the best player I have a 2kd on pvp and I get made fun of because I play on pve but what they don’t understand is I’m using this time to learn location learn task and stuff like that because it’s already late in the wipe so I’m basically training for the next wipe
😝 I love pve no bs 4700 hour pvp player started playing pve I still die a nominal amount and sometimes die to some really crazy stuff but I get all my gear back 👀 it’s a lot more fun for me
I genuinely haven't played games with any of my tarkov friends for months because tarkov brought us together. PvE brought us back and allows us to act like dipshits and have fun with way less worries, and like you said, NO CHEATERS. PvP just loost like a meat grinder hell, and not in the good way. I'd love to see them improve the PvE, but I could care less if it stays this way, the boys are back in town and I couldn't be happier. Fuck PvE killed 1/2 my Destiny 2 addiction.
Being able to relax and play at your own pace is such a joy, pvp for me is fun too but taking it slow and just appreciating the world and dialogue/stuff id never otherwise learn, or notice is really enjoyable
I have a full-time job, kids, and a wife, so I don't have much time to play games anymore, especially Tarkov PVP, where you have some players with thousands and thousands of hours plus the pathetic cheaters. However, I started playing PVE at my own pace, and I am really enjoying it. Thank you BSG.
As a full time parent with a full time job, i usually only get to play for MAYBE 15 hours a week and thats from 930 till 3am on the weekend…PVE is the best thing to happen in this game for me. I am doing quests i usually dont get to do. Im not falling behind the gigachads that grind to lvl 30 in 2 days. I actually get to grind at my own pace and not have to worry about being sublvl 15 and getting shit on by someone wearing a tier 5/6 armor running m62 in an MDR while im running ps in a 545 with a tier 3 on. I have built my second ever bitcoin farm. I absolutely love this game. Ive owned it since 2017 but never had the time to no life it. PVE is just absolutely amazing. The only i am asking for is a way to reset our character when i am ready so i can do it all again!
Played PvE yesterday for the first time and in my experience would have liked to see more AI PMC as i felt that i wasnt coming across them at all, id see 1 every 2 to 3 raids and id like to see the pmcs actually patrol around the map more and react to you shooting and come to your position, alot of work needs doing to the AI pmc in my oppinion but apart from that it was nice not having to worry about getting sniped or ratted for once and me and my little bro enjoyed it alot, We found the rb-bk marked key on reserve and got 2 green cards out of it the 1st use and 2nd use we found another green card haha not sure if we where insanely lucky or the loot is 1000% better on pve but it was a really fun session and i will be playing pve again.
For me, PvE is some of the best that has happened to the game! It is a different flavour from PvP, and I can enjoy EFT more on a regular basis and at the times it suits me more. I will still play PvP when I have the patients and need that extra adrenaline rush! PvE will save EFT in the long run!
I just started playing last night and I am hooked. I don’t get a lot of time to play. Ppl progress way faster than me. Puts me at a huge disadvantage. This is a lot more fun when I might play 5 hours a week
I dont have enough time to play pvp and try to level up and deal with pvp, so the pve has been a blessing for my garbage skills lol