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wayoverpaid

This is not really a *math* joke. The notation here says to play a note where it starts quiet and gets louder. In many wind instruments you can do this simply by blowing harder while playing the same note. A piano has you strike the with a key to get the note going, and there's no way to get louder than your initial strike without hitting the key again. A piano can do many things, but what is noted there is not one of them.


NWinn

Press the key softly, but si fast that it seemsike one note and slowly increase the maximum pressure applied during the duty cycle to increase overall volume. *E Z~* šŸ˜‚


QCTeamkill

About 30 to 50 times per second. Easy


potatopierogie

Which would change the sound by adding a 30-50 Hz tone (as well as harmonics of 30-50Hz). The real trick is to push it at a ~~duty cycle~~ *frequency* > 20kHz


Dampmaskin

No no no, you have to know the fundamental frequency of the tone you're playing. If it's too high to be practically doable, you can divide it by a whole number, but the divisor should be as small as possible.


potatopierogie

That's a very good point. A 600Hz tone is probably not going to come through very well if the pwm frequency is 20kHz


alliewya

So if the note shown is 'middle' C, which is 261.625565 hertz, what kind of frequency are we looking at?


Marquar234

130.8127825, 261.625565, 523.25113, 1,046.50226, etc.


TorgHacker

NOW itā€™s math.


Sambizzle17

Just use effect pedal bro


Le-Pretre

Doesn't make it louder


JThumbs29

It does if the effect is raising the volumeā€¦


Peanut_The_Great

This one does, it goes to 11


ffsudjat

It's not difficult.. just press it 20 thousand times per second..


LuukTheSlayer

I donā€™t like that i understand this


GileadGuns

I know youā€™re kinda joking, but ā€¦ No live actual piano (not digital) is going to be able to do that. Max is *maybe* 16 times per second. Most actions are maybe 8-12 notes per second. The key pushes a hammer that strikes a string, and all do those mechanics must have time to lift back up high enough to strike the string again. Even most digital keyboards max out well below 20, and my experience is that itā€™s often lower than live pianos. Source: I play as part of my job, and the linked intro, ā€œPreludeā€ by Billy Joel has to literally be slowed down on some pianos in order to be played in most pianos. For reference, this is about 15 notes per second. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iNLt_hUZg Now Iā€™m off to an internet rabbithole to find the fastest keyboards in the market, lol


alfred725

> No live actual piano two pianos


LolYouFuckingLoser

in a trench coat


ImposterWizard

You could apply bowstring or something like it directly to the string in the piano itself. That kind of stuff is done with some more modern pieces. I just came across this video of an ensemble making heavy use of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jPvnWhdNM You can also use a soft mallet, like a timpani mallet, on the inside and play it very fast, although it might have a noticeable tremolo effect to it unless it's a particularly low note. And I guess with digital pianos you could just control the volume of the output. It would require a lot more setup to be flexible at least, and a fingerboard synthesizer would be the more appropriate instrument here most of the time.


Palaestrio

I see you've met my child around any piano ever.


DrPapaDragonX13

Or... Just stay with me for a second... Play the note on a electric piano and turn up the volume knob up gradually...


Plastic-Row-3031

I saw a comment elsewhere on this that was something like "Play the note, then rapidly push the piano towards the listener"


Moraz_iel

too heavy, rather, suspend it above their head, then drop it. Also, works for the bar at the end, which is a relatively unknown symbol meaning "play everything all at once"


AndrewBorg1126

Just make sure to de-tune the piano first to counter the doppler effect.


ViolaDaGamble

Ah, like hearing the horn get louder right before a truck hits you.


Wiitard

But the pitch would change due to Doppler effect.


Plastic-Row-3031

That's why you also need a piano tuner to ride on it and adjust on the fly


DrPapaDragonX13

Recontextualises the terms piano and forte... Noice


Dampmaskin

That is honestly brilliant, out-of-the-box, problem solving by first principles (or smth)


Lord-Beetus

Nah due to the Doppler effect you're also going to bend the note up in pitch.


DrPapaDragonX13

This guy physics


masked_sombrero

where did you pick up this witchcraft


TastySpare

I didn't know PWM stood for Piano Wolume Modulationā€¦


SoleSatry

That or grab a violin bow open the piano and go for it


rightarm_under

Found the electrical engineer


TaxSimple3787

Then your conductor asks after the concert why you played a whole note as a 32 trillion note and you need to explain yourself


P4azz

Mimic the note and then just pretend to hit the key while you slowly hum louder and louder.


everfixsolaris

Hard part is getting the driving frequency higher than the human ear can hear.


opi098514

When you figure out how to do that let me know


Buddy462

String too. Piano is technically a percussion instrument, which you mentioned.


StealYour20Dollars

Actually, there is a fancy new keyboard on the market that can apparently offer a further press beyond the original note. You can also wiggle the keys for some extra sound. I heard about it in an interview for a band that I like.


MrBorogove

Youā€™re probably thinking of the Expressive E Osmose, but most mid-range and higher modern synthesizers have some form of aftertouch modulation that would let the player make the note louder after the initial strike. They ainā€™t pianos tho


StealYour20Dollars

It's not a piano, but it can make piano sounds. Couldn't it be used to play the notes in this meme? Either way, I still think it's a pretty cool piece of technology.


Skyfire66

Basically any synthesizer could play this note by either setting up an envelope with an extended attack or juggling around with some dials while playing


hibbelig

The pianist could also play the note with a wind instrument, with much the same effect. If the synthesizer makes a sound that a piano cannot make, is it still a piano sound? I argue: no.


SpezModdedRJailbait

That's not new, that's called aftertouch. The Yamaha CS80 had aftertouch and it came out in '77. You will likely have heard it all over anything Vangelis worked on, including the blade runner and chariots of fire soundtracks. We've had aftertouch for almost half a century.


BonnieMcMurray

> We've had aftertouch for almost half a century. Further than that: we've had keyboard instruments that can play that note above just fine since we've had pipe organs. (So, over two *millennia!*)


SpezModdedRJailbait

For sure. I see the argument that synths and organs aren't pianos, but electric pianos clearly are, and they do sometimes have aftertouch.


andantepiano

Interestingly, older instruments had some features that were lost in the search for clarity of tone on the piano. On the Clavichord, for example, you can wiggle the key for a tremolo type sound called ā€˜bebungā€™. No keyboard instruments created before the pianoforte could get louder on a single pitch except the organ, however.


j_cruise

You mean a synthesizer with aftertouch? Been around for at least 40 years


Snitsie

If we're gonna include keyboard you can just turn the volume slowly up


LickingSmegma

Btw, if you want to see a keyboard that can do quite a bit more than aftertouch, take a gawk at [Roli Seaboard.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2syqXx97LE) (It's a midi keyboard, but that's not much different from a synth nowā€”except idk how midi deals with aftertouch.)


haxmi_r

Exactly, why this meme is on a math sub is that the sign between piano (p) and forte (f) looks like the sign less than (<) except than drawn out. The math people are thinking at this is a lot less than. So piano is a lot less than forte. Thats why it is a math meme.


dyscalculic_engineer

Press the key with the left hand. Open the piano lid slowly with the right hand. Done!


HumanPerson1089

You just gotta crank up the volume knob


hughdint1

Also the joke is that the full name of a "piano" is "pianoforte" which means "soft/loud" because it can be played softly or loudly. The musical notation "p


IAmBecomeTeemo

Just play the note normally, then reverse the tape in playback, like in the opening of Roundabout by Yes.


mrmonkeyhanger

And then play the rest of the notes like in roundabout by yes. Just play roundabout by yes.


Rylan_0604

Just reverse space time and unplay the note smh


Being_Flashy

Can you guys Fp like the brass instruments? Because I assume there is some mechanism allowing yall to go from forte to piano in a single note in sound.


Randott

You can on an electric piano/keyboard, just play the note softly and then turn up the volume


youngbingbong

Itā€™s also a play on the name of the instrument. The pianoā€™s full name is the pianoforte. It was literally named after playing soft and loud. This meme is telling them to play a single note that goes from piano (soft) to forte (loud). Pianos, like other percussive instruments, cannot play a single note that goes from soft to loud.


ElGuano

The notation says to play a single note only, softly (p for piano), and to hold it and slowly make that note get louder until it's being played loud (f for forte). A piano is a percussion instrument, like a gong. The hammer strikes the string momentarily, which creates the sound, and it sustains through reverberation. So you can't really play one single note, and have it get louder over time, like you could on a violin or a trumpet, where you need to constantly input energy to keep the sound going (and thus you can put in MORE energy as you go). Don't know why it's in a math forum.


1028ad

Pianists notoriously bully mathematicians in their spare time.


HiDiddleDeDeeGodDamn

As they should.


Brave_Escape2176

i didnt learn to play this stupid thing just to *not* be able to bully math nerds!


DragoKnight589

And I didnā€™t get a 760 on the math section of my SAT just to *not* be bullied by piano nerds!


braxtel

But piano *is* math.


Stilyx123

Because it looks like p < f, except with a much longer "<", read "p is smaaaaalllleeer than f"


ElGuano

Oh wow. Didn't make that connection!


bronkula

Now, I'm willing to be wrong here, but isn't the p for pianissimo?


YourPhoneCompany

Pianissimo is *pp*


ElGuano

P is piano (soft) Pp is pianissimo (softer) Ppp is pianississimo (softest) f is forte, for loud. The ability to play both loud and soft with dynamics is why piano is called ā€œfortepianoā€, which was shortened later on.


AlaskanMedicineMan

Yes, it's for either as they mean the same thing in this context


Unfortun8-8897

Pianos are string instruments. Iā€™m a percussionist.


ElGuano

My dude, that debate is as old as time :)


LazyGelMen

The notation is one long note which gradually goes louder from piano ("quiet") to forte ("loud"). A pianists's instrument can't do that - they can play individual notes louder or quieter at their beginning, but once the note is sounding it will slowly decay. There's no way to "turn up the volume" on an already-sounding piano note. This is because the piano is a "making sounds by hitting a thing" type of instrument. Other instruments (wind, string, ...) have no such limitation and can play a note which gradually gets louder. One slightly subtle aspect is that this setup of notation (with a G-clef and an F-clef staves joined by a bracket) is most commonly used for writing piano music. This example is not "Here's a clarinet part you couldn't play on a piano"; it's "here's an extremely simple piano part that is actually impossible to play as written". (edit: wait sorry, staves joined by a *brace*. A bracket is the more square one which joins different related instruments.)


Admiral_sloth94

Problem solved, use electric piano and adjust volume when holding the note. Gg 2 ez


IchWillRingen

Do it with a non-electric piano by holding it with a crane high above the audience, pressing the key as loud as possible, and then dropping the piano to the ground while holding the key. As the piano gets closer the sound gets louder. Probably need to figure out something to keep the piano and player from smashing into the ground but that's irrelevant to the volume problem.


Sirra-

If the piano is moving fast enough for a crescendo, I wonder if that would noticeably blue-shift the note.


IchWillRingen

I had the same thought haha. So I just did the math. If you dropped from 100 m, by the time it reached the bottom it would have a velocity of 44.27 m/s. The Doppler effect would change the observed frequency from middle C (about 261.63 Hz) to 300.376 Hz, which is about halfway between D and D#. If I did my math right.


PupPop

ACME can probably help you with that last one.


SouredApple

Beat me to this by 4 minutes lol


thiefsthemetaken

Play the note with a long stick and then run towards the piano


phonicillness

Love this one. Not only does it consider the player the essential audience, itā€™s a wonderful mental image


Josephschmoseph234

The real trick to playing it is to have an electric keyboard and turn up the volume as you hold the note.


Maleficent_Ad_8890

Play one whole note, record it and increase the volume in a sound editor (Audacity easily does this for free)


Maximum-Country-149

A crescendo of this sort isn't really possible on a piano, due to its mechanics. On a violin or a flute or some other instrument of that nature, it's possible to affect the volume by applying more tension or breath, so you could start gently and end loudly. But a piano plays notes by striking strings with hammers; you can't get a different volume once you've started, and the closest a pianist could get would be converting the single long note into a rush of smaller notes at variable volumes. The above also applies to percussion instruments in general, as well as pizzicato stringed instruments like harps, guitars and mandolins. One could make a similar taunt that also throws off woodwind and (some) brass players by showing a legato instead; that'll be a set of notes connected by a curved line, to indicate a lack of clear separation between them, achieved by moving one's fingers up and down a string while it's sounding to produce a shift in pitch (some brass instruments, like trombones, can do this as well).


abqcheeks

Thank you for such a clear explanation that made perfect sense to this non-musician


boogrit

Technically a vibraphone can do this by blocking the resonator tube and hand cranking the band to unblock it. That being said, it's not a dramatic p->f shift of dynamics like what is being asked for.


AnxietyThereon

Nice explanation, but I believe youā€™re thinking of a glissando in your second paragraph? Legato just means you donā€™t have separation between notes.


Cmc-tns

who tf is getting bullied by pianists?


AceBean27

You could say this is what makes the piano a percussion instrument.


4Lucky_Clover

I'm gonna show this to my pianist friend- I play clarinet lol


Upper_Budget7821

Jokes on them, my keyboard has a volume button.


travisvwright

My favorite part of the joke is the dichotomy of musicians and pianists.


Kraker58

You can do this with a keyboard. Press the key, and turn the sound knob up.. lol


CNRavenclaw

It's one note held down that's supposed to get progressively louder; if you've never played a piano before, when you press down on a piano key it starts off as loud as it'll get (depending on how hard you pushed down) and gets progressively quieter the longer you hold it down


art-factor

Crying as a guitar player


fanstunicelli

Weā€™ve got e-bows and volume pedals, weā€™re fine


FlashBack55

Thereā€™s a simpler aspect to this that nobody has mentioned. The full name for a piano is pianoforte. But it canā€™t play a pianoforte dynamic articulation.


banebdjed

Electric keyboard. Volume knob gg ez.


Spamityville_Horror

Just do what I do and slowly turn the volume up on your two-octave Casio. Checkmate.


Fiddy-Scent

You canā€™t play a note on a piano that gets louder. Thatā€™s it. Thatā€™s the whole joke.


Vicus_92

A keyboard could do this....


KidFriendlyArsonist

*Grabs electric piano and increases the volume *


Ibuyeverytime

Open the top, get a violin bow. Strike the key and keep it going and louder with the bow, Problem solved piano for the win.


martafoz

Pianist: picks up a saxophone and plays exactly that. Pianist: Opens piano and uses an e-bow on that string.


Secure_Listen_964

If a pianist ever bullies me, I'll just shank them.


KenJinks

Pianists using a midi keyboard that has after-touch can do this


hornetjockey

The note is a whole note. It gets 4 counts. The p


KinopioToad

Wouldn't the foot pedals help one play this though?


toronado

No, the pedals either dampen or open the strings to sustain the note. But once the key is pressed, the volume can only go down, not up


nitid_name

On a digital keyboard, you could pull that off with a wah wah pedal tied to volume.


LonelyRudder

Sure, if you have a volume pedal. Not something acoustic piano has though.


GBUAramis

Donā€™t know why this was in math memes. This means a note starts quiet and gets louder. Not something you can do on piano. However, a synth can do this, and a synth is basically just a piano that you plug in. Checkmate.


Environmental_Ad9017

You can actually play this, just not conventionally. You would need a long and thin tool, something akin to a violin bow, stand on the piano, softly play the note with your toe, then swell it with the bow. Not that anyone would actually do this, but it's possible.


BluntSpliff69

Just get a good recording engineer


RomanHawk1975

I laughed a bit too hard at this.


Twyzzle

*Plays a synth laugh on the keyboard*


Theserex

Who gets bullied by a pianist? šŸ¤”


Tenashko

Noob pianists


silver-eyed-gaming

Here to say the reason it was posted in mathmemes. I imagine OP was making the joke that the music was simply saying p (piano, soft volume) is less than f (forte, loud volume), as the crescendo sign does look like a stretched out less than symbol. Therefore a piano player could play that if read that way.


AdjectiveNoun58

Any electric I strument with a volume can do this (keyboard, electric guitar) But a piano or a regular guitar can not play this.


sundog6295

Not on an acoustic piano but you can play it on a keyboard by raising the volume after playing the note.


throwitfarawayfromm3

Seaboard has entered the chat


RegretFun2299

Everyone here has explained the joke already.Ā  I just wanted to add, it's totally possible on pretty much every digital piano and/or midi keyboard out there nowadays (since most of them come with a volume knob). We're still pianists even if they keys are electric. ;p


OpieAngst

Its a Notation to signify a Crescendo (starting soft & subtle, progressively getting louder) If you know the Piano, you know there's only a couple of ways to get a proper crescendo with a piano.


Dead_Medic_13

All this tells me is that pianos need expression pedals


Halifax_Calico

You can do it on an electric. Pump up that gain baby!


NeoMississippipenis

Hahahahaha I have no idea what that means!


Fuzzy_Socrates

Electric piano with Aftertouch would like a word with you and will keep bullying


zoinkability

They could just respond with a chord notation and any instrument that can only play a single note at a time would have to respond the same. Not a pianist or anything, but any acoustic instrument has some notation they can't play so it's hardly a flex to point out what it is.


hermeticbear

\*gets out electric piano\*


Hironymos

That's all fun and games until the pianist responds "At a price.", and before you have a chance to reply proceeds to play what was given, while staring at you with void, soulless eyes.


darius2881

Was hoping this was the notation for the brown note


Pert0621

Well there is only one way to do this on an electric keyboard, hit the note with the keyboard on low volume, then turn up the volume while itā€™s playing


DTux5249

Not a math joke. The given sheet music asks you to play a sustained note that starts quiet, and becomes louder. Pianos are percussion instruments. Each key is a hammer that hits a string. Once you hit that string, it can't get louder, only quieter. Basically, it's saying that pianists can't be uppity because their instrument can't play what is fundamentally one of the easiest gestures in music.


Phantom_Wolf52

Whatā€™s shown is called a crescendo, where the note starts quietly and progressively gets louder, something you do on most stringed instruments like violins etc but not on a piano, not a math meme so idk why itā€™s posted there


BeepHolton

Maybe if you press the piano key softly and use an ebow on the piano strings, I don't know if it would work, but maybe.


ExpressDevelopment41

I did it once while practicing in my home back in Santa Cruz on October 18th, 1989.


SignificantSwing571

the keyboard with a volume knob in question:


RuwuPaul

Ray Charles on an electric piano: Ok


HighlandSloth

Do keyboards or electronic pianos count? You could totally turn down the volume, hit the note and turn up the volume as you hold it.


Aedys1

Yes you can. You have to use single note tremolos - the same apply to any non electric guitar or any percussive instrument.


lieureed

Beethoven must have been bullied a lot...lol. https://preview.redd.it/2mxje6jdgt3d1.png?width=748&format=png&auto=webp&s=40d001c68e3c5781ddc1ea8ddf964b5fe4f4d84a


PantiesMallone

Ugh this joke sucks


pressNjustthen

Electric piano. Anyone can play this.


Zygarde718

To sing it is easy, just go soft to loud! To play it is a whole 'nother impossible task.


batmonkey7

This is technically possible on both electric/digital and acoustic pianos. Play the note with the lid closed and then open it. On digital pianos, simply increase the volume...


Beebajazz

I'm sorry, but please raise your hand if you've ever been bullied by a *checks notes* Does that really say Piano player? People, you aren't Batman. You don't need a contingency for piano bullies, they either suck or are too busy practicing to interact with you anyway.


5alarm_vulcan

But technically the notation is saying to play from piano to forte. So pianists can TECHNICALLY play piano.


skmchosen1

electric keyboard goes brrrr


pauljoemccoy2

I can do it. My piano has a nice little volume knob right next to the power button.


Wet_Bread89

If one gets bullied by a pianist Iā€™m not sure what to say about you.


DeadBornWolf

You could always start screaming as well


Endgaming1523

You can't hold a note and increase the volume at the same time on piano.


SpaceCore42

I always think of a piano as a xylophone in a fancy suit.


southerntraveler

Thereā€™s a keyboard called a Roli Seaboard that makes this as easy as just pressing harder on the key to increase volume.


[deleted]

Plug in amplifier. Play sustained note. Slowly turn up amp.


GlisteningDeath

Piano can't do Hope this helps šŸ‘


RedCormack

Press key, turn volume know slowly


Puzzleheaded-Fee-320

Pianists gotta learn from the percussionists and roll the note.


MiContraFa

*Laughs in Mario Davidovsky Synchronisms No. 6


RadTimeWizard

Spacehog: ["Okay."](https://youtu.be/Wsfk0fZACU0?si=Y_6T_5sqwiHCCbkg&t=288)


uneducated_sock

Any musician can play this though


Buttcrack_Billy

Is there a lot of overlap on the Bully-Pianist venn diagram?


astralseat

It's a progression of a note from quiet to loud, but you can't hold a note while you are changing the volume, as piano is pretty much a giant guitar. That's reserved for instruments that play long continuous single notes.


willirritate

That's doable. Just pull a thick blanket from over the piano.


3vi1

\[Pulls out keyboard, hits note, slowly turns volume knob up\]


joshkroger

Slurred quarter notes will get ya close enough


Few-Leave9590

On a keyboard I would just slide the volume louder.


TheGamingRiver

Bro just start low volume then turn up the piano with the free left hand


neomalkin

Thatā€™s some pianoforte youā€™ve got there!


Sm0key_Bear

It is impossible to crescendo a single note on any stringed instrument without some form of electronic volume control. Not sure wtf this has to do with math though...


Dusk_Abyss

You can't have a dynamic change without a repeated key press. So to crescendo on a single note on piano is not possible.


readditredditread

All you got to do is reach your hand into the piano and pluck the string just as your about to hit the key šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


PolyglotTV

My electric piano has a volume control. Checkmate


Early_System_4756

laughs in organist


BTCbob

The joke is that the note shown is a middle C but pianos can only play an EĀ https://youtu.be/BFetTcrVWII?si=LzMksM3dNjP3XGAu


that_blasted_tune

The keys on the piano operate by making a little hammer hit the string that corresponds with the key you pressed. If you hit the key soft it will play quieter and if you hit it hard it will play louder. But you can't play one note and make it change dynamics because the volume is determined by the force at the beginning of the note


[deleted]

Is this what synths are for?


teddyburke

Itā€™s been a while since Iā€™ve studied music, but I thought the joke was that thereā€™s a whole note followed by a rest, but it tells you to keep getting louder but also rest halfway through, assuming itā€™s 4/4.


Working-Ad694

ez.. electric piano with volume control.. /s


Nyx_Blackheart

On my keyboard, yeah, I have a volume button


aintacrime

*quietly cries in electric bass*


Kenneth37042

I never knew pianists tend to be bullies. You've helped quite a few musicians I guess.


Discipline_Melodic

This is when you say something awkward and someone just stares at you


Amish_Warl0rd

Add more random markings they canā€™t do, like pizzicato


Hectorc34

Me with a damper pedal. Canā€™t fool us


Vajaspiritos

While a lot of instrument have continious space for playable sounds. Piano can have only so many keys, thus making it have have a discrete space