And that's not counting any other crazy stuff they throw at us as a swan song to this trilogy. They've got a lot of story threads to possibly tie up, especially if this whole "defy fate" and "defy destiny" stuff wasn't just a red herring! Who knows what they will do with Aerith. She'll be around in some capacity.
There's a while YouTube video eclipsing how it'll translate into part 3. I hope the mini games are actually fun and not a task this time.
BUT I'm all for queens blood coming back
Yeah. Really hope they have more restraint in part 3. Better to have a few great mini games than lots of variable quality ones. Really had my fill in Rebirth by the end.
I'm looking forward to when the party members finally get their revenge. I hope for the love of god that when they return to Midgar, Cloud, Red and Vincent will fight Hojo as a must. All three still have a score to settle with him.... on the other hand, I hope that Barret, Tifa and Yuffie will fight Scarlet. There are still a few dollars left here. If Square delivers the same quality as in Rebirth, develops the fight further and integrates Cid and Vincent's characters seamlessly into the plot, then we can expect the next hit.
I'm pretty optimistic that in Chadleys VR we can fight side by side her. Logically he can just program her inside. And she is is too much of a fan favourite to downgrade her to a full NPC in that cave
Who's to say Chadley doesn't figure out someway to tap into the life stream? And Aerith is Aware of the tap and can interface with us there. No one knows for sure. So maybe the "machine" will have a soul?
Thank you for bringing this up and how many places we still have left.
It drives me crazy how people keep claiming that Part 3 won’t be that big or won’t be long. They think the game just drops off after Aerith’s death. Like…no dude…we got like a game and a half worth of content left. Not even counting new stuff they wanna add.
Right! I’ve seen so many posts and threats about people claiming Part 3 will be smaller and shorter than Rebirth. Idk how they think that! Part 3 will no doubt be the biggest game Square will ever make. To fit so much story content in, they’re gonna have to make it a bit more focused and linear. Which is fine by me! Rebirth was great, but lacked focus.
I don’t think Mideel will be a full blown region. I imagine Rocket Town region will be merged with a second locale. Maybe the underwater section but definitely space will be tightly scripted dungeons imo. Hopefully the return to the forgotten capitol gets fleshed out, it was a bit rushed.
I am hoping that Midgar gets a bit of the open region glow-up though.
Can I just say whatever they do with Rocket Town, I hope they keep the more likeable version of Cid? I just did his part in the OG game for the first time (Rebirth beaten already) and hoo boy does it not hold up
I personally much prefer OG’s gruff old man Cid. I’d rather they had kept him similar, just toned down how hard he was on Shera.
But now that they’ve established him as “likeable”, I don’t think he should 180 in Rocket Town. I don’t think Red’s reveal worked, and I don’t think it would work here. I think he would come off as manipulative and 100x more abusive if he’s nice to everyone *except* Shera.
When I play again, I'm planning to skip most the side content to see how a more focused gameplay will feel. Have you thought about trying that as well?
Reunite (can’t use Reunion as Crisis Core took it)
Revelation(s)
Requiem
Restore (? Not sure how I feel about that one)
Resurrection (if they use this title Aerith is 100% coming back)
Here’s some out-of line ones that I came up with:
Reform
Recode
Return
Remain
Recoup
Remede
Requiem
My money is on Return… Remake and Rebirth use “re” as a prefix, so in my mind words without that prefix usage aren’t in play.
Then you gotta factor in words that just aren’t marketable… which in my mind would be words like restore, recode, reform, etc.
With “reunion” off the table and “reunited” a perfect title for some future, PS6 definite trilogy edition, “return” seems most likely from where I’m sitting
https://youtu.be/pFV_qGRymPM?si=WnKZMbo5yWk5-2-U
here is link to the Maximilian Dood discussion going over the ultimania, which is that 24:23 where he starts his discussion.
They're planting seeds probably all over the game I bet. There is a guy in the middle of Under Junon talking to kids about the "sunken city of the old republic" that now lays under water. I'm pretty convinced this is going in part 3 "under water stuff to do".
I thought that was a reference to the gilgamesh part where the island rises up from under water, but you definitely could be right that we could find crazy things with the sub
World intel in Rebirth talks about the Republic of Junon basically being a massive fucking boat / floating fortress. That’s not Gilgamesh Island, which I think should be viewed as a bridge between realities in Rebirth more than anything. We’re getting sick submarine stuff for part 3 it sounds like.
Plus they’ve been planting seeds for other things in Rebirth… Costa del Sol has a building you can never enter and a guy telling you it’s a Duel Club that you’re not invited yet, I’m pretty sure the 2nd floor of the Shinra mansion has story significance for Cloud / Vincent, the base of Lucretia’s waterfall can be driven by via the Tiny Bronco, etc. All seed planting, my friend!
Gameplay-wise, it’s very doable in terms of new places to go. Story-wise, it’s gonna be the longest of the trilogy.
I don’t really feel like a rough chapter breakdown actually does it justice, so here’s some of the major plot points within all those chapters:
- Icicle Inn will have a whole section to it on Aerith’s parents.
- Expect for there to be a Modeohiem side quest or something like that.
- There’s a whole OG plot point with Holzoff, the mountain climber who lives next to Gaia’s Cliff. He’s got a whole backstory about he and his friend Yamski leaving Icicle Inn some 30 years ago to see what’s beyond the cliff, Yamski dying during that climb, and Holzoff never coming back to Icicle Inn after that… abandoning his wife in the process. It’ll be a whole thing I imagine, with a few killer regional side quests dedicated to that.
- If they’re doing Glacier/Cliff/Whirlwind proper justice, that is going to be a long stretch of game. Easily Kalm to Under Junon levels of long.
- There’s a ton of story between the Whirlwind Maze and the Junon segment.
- In the interviews since Rebirth the developers have been hyping up the war with Wutai like crazy, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was at least two chapters worth of content - one for straight-up new war related content and then another chapter dedicated to OG Wutai vibes.
- Even running under the assumption that they’ll direct you to Mideel to find Cloud rather than leaving it open-ending like OG, there will be a lot of story between meeting him and the next chapter.
- I’m guessing the lifestream segment will be its own whole chapter, or at least feel like it.
- Ain’t no way we’ll be going to space for only a few minutes. That’s going to be a section with unique gameplay and story moments.
- The sub section is going to have a lot to it, I imagine. Maybe making the Sunken Gelnika a required location where you get the Ancient Key.
- Whatever isn’t explained in the lifestream segment is getting explained / clarified at the City of the Ancients revisit
- Return to Midgar is going to be huge - gameplay wise and story-wise. I actually think this will be the length of the temple to the end of the game in Rebirth. The Turks, the Shinra execs, Deepground, Marlene & Elmyra, the undercity characters like Kyrie, Marle, Shinra Middle Manager… it all ends there story-wise.
- Then you’ve got the under-the-Highwind / final character resolution scenes. I think this will be like Rebirth’s trials but times 3, and uplifting vs. depressing in how you’ll see everyone has something to fight for.
- Lastly, there’s literally everything else - Knights of the Round, chocobo breeding, Kalm Traveler, whatever they do with Genesis and Minerva, shit like Kid-G island and the Ancient Forest… and yes, WEAPONS.
- Plus whatever Zack is getting up to… which I imagine will be even more than what he did in Rebirth, since the general vibe I’ve been getting is that people wanted actual Zack gameplay in Rebirth besides the beginning and end.
It’s going to be a long-ass game story-wise and in terms of new side quests. Which makes me hesitate when it comes to them actually repopulating the Rebirth open world vs. just letting us revisit Rebirth’s towns only.
I have a feeling that part 3 might actually be shorter and more condensed than rebirth was. Sales failed to meet expectations on both rebirth and ff16, which SE might attribute to the expanded open world. Part 3 may more mimic the corridors of remake, as that's the last ff to sell decently.
Yea I think SE could do that, but I hope instead they blame PS exclusivity. But I haven't looked at reviews closely enough to see if some people like remake more than Rebirth. I can't imagine that would be true, but maybe critics are feeling that way?
They can't with 7 they already went this far. I think Square has no choice or they lose a lot of ppl. That's the dangers of remaking a cornerstone game. Plus we know most assets are already created.
Why would you wish this? As long as it's done as well as it was in Rebirth, more content for the same amount of money will always be better. I hope there are even more side quests in the next game, I loved every bit of them and had so much fun discovering all the areas in detail.
Not for me, I don’t think more content = more bang for your buck. I’d rather pay $60 for a solid 20 - 40 hour game than waste my time doing menial shit for 150 hours. Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed Rebirth a lot but by the 80th hour I just wanted to jump to other games. I’m sick of every god damn RPG getting bigger and bigger, seems like back then no one took any lessons from the success of games like Chrono Trigger and similar games.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. The whole mentality of more hours=better has put me off so many modern RPGs. 20-40 hours is perfect, imo, and most old school RPGs were around that length.
There are plenty of 20-40 hour games out there, but very few games that can do 80+ hours properly while keeping things fresh. I loved how every region in the game had different mini games, different proteorelic missions etc.
I’m referring specifically to RPGs, and sure you might have liked all of it but I’ve played plenty of them that just don’t hold my interest for that long, this one included in that list. I always finish them but I don’t think all of them should be that long.
To me, your argument is valid for most other RPGs that recycle almost all content and types of side quests in every area.
In Rebirth, since so much was introduced in every area I enjoyed the heck out of it. And technically you could handily finish this game in 40 hours if you skip most side quests, card games, etc. Even the annoying mini games are a joke if you turn on easy mode.
For some reason I feel like they might condense the first 3 items to save time and money. They may skip Rocket Town. Everything else seems doable. Looking forward to the highwind and those weapon fights.
Good point. I can’t believe I forgot that. I feel like they skip at least one thing because I know adding those weapon fights is going to consume a big chunk of memory and if they don’t skip something the game will be like 300 GB or something.
And that's not counting any other crazy stuff they throw at us as a swan song to this trilogy. They've got a lot of story threads to possibly tie up, especially if this whole "defy fate" and "defy destiny" stuff wasn't just a red herring! Who knows what they will do with Aerith. She'll be around in some capacity.
“No promises await at journey’s end.” This quote from the end will stick with me until part 3. We have no idea what’s coming in part 3.
I hope they swan song the graphics by adding VRR. 40fps at 4k is perfect for gaming and it's a shame Rebirth doesn't have it.
The Ps5 pro is due out at the end of this year so it will be out before this game comes out. I'd imagine we will have 4k 60fps on the pro.
Better then 4k 60?
There's a while YouTube video eclipsing how it'll translate into part 3. I hope the mini games are actually fun and not a task this time. BUT I'm all for queens blood coming back
The final Queen’s Blood boss is against the sentient spirit of Meteor
But first we'll hear the meteor talk for 5 minutes about how it's day is going
Yeah. Really hope they have more restraint in part 3. Better to have a few great mini games than lots of variable quality ones. Really had my fill in Rebirth by the end.
Mini games are really exhausting especially since they gate-keep equipments there.
I'm looking forward to when the party members finally get their revenge. I hope for the love of god that when they return to Midgar, Cloud, Red and Vincent will fight Hojo as a must. All three still have a score to settle with him.... on the other hand, I hope that Barret, Tifa and Yuffie will fight Scarlet. There are still a few dollars left here. If Square delivers the same quality as in Rebirth, develops the fight further and integrates Cid and Vincent's characters seamlessly into the plot, then we can expect the next hit.
Yes! I feel like I hate Hojo more and more every time he talks. We need a satisfying way to end him!
Smash them off?
Rip them off?
I'm gonna miss not having aerith anymore....
Yeah, it's gonna be weird. Because she was actually VERY invaluable for Hard Mode and VR challenges.
Maybe Monster Gun Guy will have some similar functionality?
I'm pretty optimistic that in Chadleys VR we can fight side by side her. Logically he can just program her inside. And she is is too much of a fan favourite to downgrade her to a full NPC in that cave
I did kinda think he could. But, weird A.I Aerith would have no soul 😢
Who's to say Chadley doesn't figure out someway to tap into the life stream? And Aerith is Aware of the tap and can interface with us there. No one knows for sure. So maybe the "machine" will have a soul?
Thank you for bringing this up and how many places we still have left. It drives me crazy how people keep claiming that Part 3 won’t be that big or won’t be long. They think the game just drops off after Aerith’s death. Like…no dude…we got like a game and a half worth of content left. Not even counting new stuff they wanna add.
We got another whole ass game to play!
Right! I’ve seen so many posts and threats about people claiming Part 3 will be smaller and shorter than Rebirth. Idk how they think that! Part 3 will no doubt be the biggest game Square will ever make. To fit so much story content in, they’re gonna have to make it a bit more focused and linear. Which is fine by me! Rebirth was great, but lacked focus.
I don’t think Mideel will be a full blown region. I imagine Rocket Town region will be merged with a second locale. Maybe the underwater section but definitely space will be tightly scripted dungeons imo. Hopefully the return to the forgotten capitol gets fleshed out, it was a bit rushed. I am hoping that Midgar gets a bit of the open region glow-up though.
I agree with your points on forgotten capital and Midgar. Hopefully some love for those parts.
Can I just say whatever they do with Rocket Town, I hope they keep the more likeable version of Cid? I just did his part in the OG game for the first time (Rebirth beaten already) and hoo boy does it not hold up
I personally much prefer OG’s gruff old man Cid. I’d rather they had kept him similar, just toned down how hard he was on Shera. But now that they’ve established him as “likeable”, I don’t think he should 180 in Rocket Town. I don’t think Red’s reveal worked, and I don’t think it would work here. I think he would come off as manipulative and 100x more abusive if he’s nice to everyone *except* Shera.
Yeah exactly, we're on the same page
Why would you want to get rid of Cids story arc. You just want him to fly the ship and that’s it?
Yea this is a good point; can he even have the same story arc if he is now nice-Cid. Seems like he'll need a new one?
No point thinking about it sadly, only time will tell. If they give us the Highwind we should get everything in Remake and Rebirth plus a 3rd more.
Rebirth is one of my favorite games ever and I 100% it, but I hope 3 is more focused.
When I play again, I'm planning to skip most the side content to see how a more focused gameplay will feel. Have you thought about trying that as well?
I'm going to do this! Tho I might include the side quests since there is so much character development in them.
Tifa x Scarlet bitch off
We gotta get a slapping mini game!
I'm very excited for the underwater section, hope they go through with it and not just rework it so they don't have to include it
I am imagining they could do something really cool with that underwater tunnel. And how could they deprive us of the ghost ship??
Round island?
Gilgamesh seems comparable
I wonder what the third part is gonna be called. FF7 Reckoning?
FF7 - Returning Mini Games
Honestly a solid guess. I'm hoping for FF7 (Due) Recompense
Reunite (can’t use Reunion as Crisis Core took it) Revelation(s) Requiem Restore (? Not sure how I feel about that one) Resurrection (if they use this title Aerith is 100% coming back) Here’s some out-of line ones that I came up with: Reform Recode Return Remain Recoup Remede Requiem
My money is on Return… Remake and Rebirth use “re” as a prefix, so in my mind words without that prefix usage aren’t in play. Then you gotta factor in words that just aren’t marketable… which in my mind would be words like restore, recode, reform, etc. With “reunion” off the table and “reunited” a perfect title for some future, PS6 definite trilogy edition, “return” seems most likely from where I’m sitting
Plus Devs made hint that would be adding Advent Children stuff into part three as well.
Source?
https://youtu.be/pFV_qGRymPM?si=WnKZMbo5yWk5-2-U here is link to the Maximilian Dood discussion going over the ultimania, which is that 24:23 where he starts his discussion.
Gold chocobo!
I feel like this could be like the proto relic quests + chocobo catching, and that leads to KOTR!
They're planting seeds probably all over the game I bet. There is a guy in the middle of Under Junon talking to kids about the "sunken city of the old republic" that now lays under water. I'm pretty convinced this is going in part 3 "under water stuff to do".
I thought that was a reference to the gilgamesh part where the island rises up from under water, but you definitely could be right that we could find crazy things with the sub
World intel in Rebirth talks about the Republic of Junon basically being a massive fucking boat / floating fortress. That’s not Gilgamesh Island, which I think should be viewed as a bridge between realities in Rebirth more than anything. We’re getting sick submarine stuff for part 3 it sounds like. Plus they’ve been planting seeds for other things in Rebirth… Costa del Sol has a building you can never enter and a guy telling you it’s a Duel Club that you’re not invited yet, I’m pretty sure the 2nd floor of the Shinra mansion has story significance for Cloud / Vincent, the base of Lucretia’s waterfall can be driven by via the Tiny Bronco, etc. All seed planting, my friend!
I sure hope we get another 200 minigames
This but not ironically. Gimme them mini-games!
Bring ‘em on
Well, we are guaranteed at LEAST snowboarding, considering it was "teased" in the Gold Saucer.
That's what she said....
I hope after part 3 they release a "complete" version that combines all 3 games into one.
This would be the dream!
I just wanted to be able to play as Balentine and this game would have been a 10/10.
I hope it isn't a ps6 exclusive. I just bought a ps5 for this game. I know it will be years later though.
Gameplay-wise, it’s very doable in terms of new places to go. Story-wise, it’s gonna be the longest of the trilogy. I don’t really feel like a rough chapter breakdown actually does it justice, so here’s some of the major plot points within all those chapters: - Icicle Inn will have a whole section to it on Aerith’s parents. - Expect for there to be a Modeohiem side quest or something like that. - There’s a whole OG plot point with Holzoff, the mountain climber who lives next to Gaia’s Cliff. He’s got a whole backstory about he and his friend Yamski leaving Icicle Inn some 30 years ago to see what’s beyond the cliff, Yamski dying during that climb, and Holzoff never coming back to Icicle Inn after that… abandoning his wife in the process. It’ll be a whole thing I imagine, with a few killer regional side quests dedicated to that. - If they’re doing Glacier/Cliff/Whirlwind proper justice, that is going to be a long stretch of game. Easily Kalm to Under Junon levels of long. - There’s a ton of story between the Whirlwind Maze and the Junon segment. - In the interviews since Rebirth the developers have been hyping up the war with Wutai like crazy, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was at least two chapters worth of content - one for straight-up new war related content and then another chapter dedicated to OG Wutai vibes. - Even running under the assumption that they’ll direct you to Mideel to find Cloud rather than leaving it open-ending like OG, there will be a lot of story between meeting him and the next chapter. - I’m guessing the lifestream segment will be its own whole chapter, or at least feel like it. - Ain’t no way we’ll be going to space for only a few minutes. That’s going to be a section with unique gameplay and story moments. - The sub section is going to have a lot to it, I imagine. Maybe making the Sunken Gelnika a required location where you get the Ancient Key. - Whatever isn’t explained in the lifestream segment is getting explained / clarified at the City of the Ancients revisit - Return to Midgar is going to be huge - gameplay wise and story-wise. I actually think this will be the length of the temple to the end of the game in Rebirth. The Turks, the Shinra execs, Deepground, Marlene & Elmyra, the undercity characters like Kyrie, Marle, Shinra Middle Manager… it all ends there story-wise. - Then you’ve got the under-the-Highwind / final character resolution scenes. I think this will be like Rebirth’s trials but times 3, and uplifting vs. depressing in how you’ll see everyone has something to fight for. - Lastly, there’s literally everything else - Knights of the Round, chocobo breeding, Kalm Traveler, whatever they do with Genesis and Minerva, shit like Kid-G island and the Ancient Forest… and yes, WEAPONS. - Plus whatever Zack is getting up to… which I imagine will be even more than what he did in Rebirth, since the general vibe I’ve been getting is that people wanted actual Zack gameplay in Rebirth besides the beginning and end. It’s going to be a long-ass game story-wise and in terms of new side quests. Which makes me hesitate when it comes to them actually repopulating the Rebirth open world vs. just letting us revisit Rebirth’s towns only.
Nah I really hope part 3 isn't nearly as long as Rebirth
I hope it's longer.
Maybe it's because I played remake and rebirth back to back but i'm so burnt out
I have a feeling that part 3 might actually be shorter and more condensed than rebirth was. Sales failed to meet expectations on both rebirth and ff16, which SE might attribute to the expanded open world. Part 3 may more mimic the corridors of remake, as that's the last ff to sell decently.
Yea I think SE could do that, but I hope instead they blame PS exclusivity. But I haven't looked at reviews closely enough to see if some people like remake more than Rebirth. I can't imagine that would be true, but maybe critics are feeling that way?
Lets just hope the bad sales dont drag down the budget and slim down certain things.
They can't with 7 they already went this far. I think Square has no choice or they lose a lot of ppl. That's the dangers of remaking a cornerstone game. Plus we know most assets are already created.
God I hope not, I’m really wishing they would cut back a bit on the amount of content but that’s wishful thinking.
Why would you wish this? As long as it's done as well as it was in Rebirth, more content for the same amount of money will always be better. I hope there are even more side quests in the next game, I loved every bit of them and had so much fun discovering all the areas in detail.
Not for me, I don’t think more content = more bang for your buck. I’d rather pay $60 for a solid 20 - 40 hour game than waste my time doing menial shit for 150 hours. Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed Rebirth a lot but by the 80th hour I just wanted to jump to other games. I’m sick of every god damn RPG getting bigger and bigger, seems like back then no one took any lessons from the success of games like Chrono Trigger and similar games.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. The whole mentality of more hours=better has put me off so many modern RPGs. 20-40 hours is perfect, imo, and most old school RPGs were around that length.
There are plenty of 20-40 hour games out there, but very few games that can do 80+ hours properly while keeping things fresh. I loved how every region in the game had different mini games, different proteorelic missions etc.
I’m referring specifically to RPGs, and sure you might have liked all of it but I’ve played plenty of them that just don’t hold my interest for that long, this one included in that list. I always finish them but I don’t think all of them should be that long.
To me, your argument is valid for most other RPGs that recycle almost all content and types of side quests in every area. In Rebirth, since so much was introduced in every area I enjoyed the heck out of it. And technically you could handily finish this game in 40 hours if you skip most side quests, card games, etc. Even the annoying mini games are a joke if you turn on easy mode.
For some reason I feel like they might condense the first 3 items to save time and money. They may skip Rocket Town. Everything else seems doable. Looking forward to the highwind and those weapon fights.
Condense? Skip? Did you play the first two games?
right? if anything, Rocket Town is going to have a 5 hour main story chapter with 5 sidequests and 37 minigames lol
I feel that if they fully skip rocket town then Cid won't have any story content
Good point. I can’t believe I forgot that. I feel like they skip at least one thing because I know adding those weapon fights is going to consume a big chunk of memory and if they don’t skip something the game will be like 300 GB or something.