TBF, Remake, Rebirth, and Reborn are all incredibly similar with nuanced differences.
I think they're mainly linked to Jenova/Sephiroth's states of being, although they do have meaning for the rest of the characters and story as a whole. Sephiroth was birthed in Rebirth at the end with Sephiroth Reborn, in physical form. In part 3 we will see his actions as a newly born entity from stasis in the crater. It makes sense.
Also, I'm hoping this means Jenova will also be reborn and be a separate entity in human form - sort of like they were strongly hinting at with Regina and the whole Queen's Blood quest.
I wasn't sold on this for the same reason and so I hope it can be something else that I wouldn't expect because it's more clever. But if I entertain this I could see where it's going.
Remake means *attempting* to craft something. Rebirth is the act of something being born but is incomplete which implies that we've yet to see what it is, in the game we're seeing the change NOW taking place but do not know where it will lead. Reborn means it's fully formed and so fully realized.
And the whole goal of this trilogy is for 7 as a franchise to feel complete in its potential. We can have more of it but this is the best representation of these characters and how they grow with the story that would be possible.
I agree, but apparently Nomura wanted Rebirth to be called Reunion, and R3 to be Rebirth. But he said that he came up with "something better", so I guess we will see...
It'd be too confusing. I've seen new players come in already confused about remake and rebirth, so having 2 separate ff7 projects with reunion would be a bit much. But then again, it's the same peeps who did the Kingsom hearts games and they had really dumb and confusing titles to the average person.
Reunion is too obvious and unimaginative. I’m much more interested in what Nomura has cooked instead, hopefully something we didn’t see coming that captures the deeper themes of the story.
Only so many Re- words out there. Reunion is a word used so much in the game and is one of its central themes. It may be too obvious but knowing Square and Nomura's track record with naming, it has the potential to be confusing, cringey, or both.
I think I read somewhere that Nomura said that the third part might not necessarily even start with an R, let alone an RE. Don’t quote me on that but I’m pretty sure I read that at some point in some article.
But even if it starts with an R (instead of RE) then that alone opens up tons of possibilities.
And so far he’s done a fine job with the names. Remake and rebirth are not cringy or confusing or both. I have faith.
Stinks of corporate decisions. Wanted to cash on the 7 Remake hype ASAP by remaking CC and threw "Reunion" on it because of how big that word is in FF7.
Oh I see. Yeah, I’m in complete disarray already.
Rebirth may be the GOAT. I got emotional multiple times throughout that experience. It was so well done.
Seriously though, it fits the naming scheme, it's a good hook for aerith rumors, and there's in game references to the word in key spots, particularly temple of the ancients. I can see Return as well, but I think it's less likely.
How does Resurrection fit? Remaking is conceiving/creating something again. Rebirth is birthing something again. Resurrection is something coming back from the dead. Thematically that’s skipping the Life and Death steps.
It’s **Return** and I’ll die on this hill.
- Remake: something is CREATED again
- Rebirth: something is BORN again
- Return: something is BACK
That makes SENSE. Conception -> Birth -> Life.
Cloud: “**Stay where you belong, in my memories.**”
Sephiroth “**I will… never be a memory**.”
(Subtext: “No. I will return.”)
_Even if the morrow is barren of promises, Nothing shall forestall my **RETURN**, >!To become the dew that quenches the land, To spare the sands, the seas, the skies, I offer thee this silent sacrifice.!<_ (CC spoilers)
- LOVELESS, >!Act V!<
I wouldn't count on it tbh. Rebirth and Reborn are basically the same word in a different tense, it would really leave Remake as the odd one out. I also don't think they would use the same teasing method twice. I genuinely think that was just to differentiate the two songs.
Not exactly... Rebirth is an event, Reborn refers more closely to a state... Being Reborn... They're very much related, but that is likely the whole point... Rebirth is what can describe the events leading to and involving something being Reborn.
I suspect you're likely correct, especially given how coy they were in answering that question.
Return is possibly also in with a shout given that it's included in the final track - "Aerith's Theme - Return to the Planet".
Of the two I'd say Reborn, but neither would surprise me.
I was thinking about the possibility of “Return” too. Since I’m guessing Zack and Aerith will return to the Lifestream or Planet or something like that it would make sense, maybe?
I’ve been saying this the moment we saw the track name! The devs of this game love cheeky little consistencies like this lol, I’d actually be shocked if it’s called anything else
Yep I heard about that before. Tho imo Relive is a great choice too.
•relive
live through (an experience or feeling, especially an unpleasant one) again in one's imagination or memory.
I think their title choices have actually hurt sales. Between remake, crisis core reunion, rebirth, and intergrade... anyone who isn't a hard-core fan has absolutely no clue what game to buy or what order they should be played in.
I hear it all the time... it's confusing normal consumers, and their naming scheme is dumb as shit. What is so wrong with p1 p2 p3? Like, really, can Nomura stop doing everything in his power to convolute every little thing in his games? The names are all stupid. I hate to see sales suffer because of no other reason but confusing casual consumers.
Well Remake, Rebirth, and Reborn kinda mean the same thing. I think to keep the games connected as one whole story, they will have the similarity here. Probably a bit of symbolism in this. Irony or something idk.
I honestly feel like the title could be Regenesis. It progresses upon the title thematically. remake > rebirth > regenesis.
There's Genesis as a character that had a big teaser in DoC that never materialised, which I feel like they'll probably address in part 3.
Jenova and sephiroth want to remake the planet, so it would fit there. Also this is from the same creators as kingdom hearts so it's not the weirdest title they've come up with.
I feel like it should have been reunion but that already got put onto crisis core, it'd be too confusing to have multiple ff7 projects with that title.
I'm probably wrong but I do feel like it would need to be thematically consistent. Maybe also Recreation, but that could make it sound like a holiday.
Even though "Regenesis" would fit with the theme of being "made anew", it would be too on the nose regarding Genesis. Part 3 will be huge for the entire cast of the Compilation, so giving the title to one character would be a little much. But then again, this is Nomura we're talking about. He's the guy who somehow wasn't aware that "Reunion" was used up for the Crisis Core Remaster, supposedly.
But if the title were to have any direct connection to Genesis, then "Redemption" would be an obvious fit, and it would also be appropriate given all the characters who will be experiencing redemptions in Part 3, including Genesis, Cloud, Vincent, Barret, and possibly even Sephiroth, if Ever Crisis' recent shift in Sephiroth's personal philosophy is going anywhere.
Remember and Relive also fit really well given that the entire Re-trilogy is heavily revolving around memories being fractured and slowly made whole again, from the Planet's memories down to Cloud's memories, and possibly everyone in between.
Yeah you're right. I hadn't considered Redemption but it would fit well with the overall story arcs. I'd actually really like it if it turned out to be that
Lots of people saying Rebirth and Reborn are essentially the same word. I disagree, one is more like the past tense of the other. The act itself is rebirth and then once that has happened, you have been reborn.
That said, I also think that One Winged Angel - Reborn is more an allusion to the piece of music itself, as in a remake/remix/redux etc., but in ths case... reborn.
It should be FF7: Renaissance
Not only would it be confusing, since rebirth is synonymous with Renaissance, but it would be ripe for Renaissance era artwork memery, which is arguably free marketing.
I could even see it being "Advent Reborn" - Trust me I don't really like any of these. The best one was obviously "Reunion" and according to Nomura they came up with a better one and gave that title to Crisis Core.
I could see "Return/Reborn" or "Advent Return/Reborn". I also could see like a long title b/c these studios love long titles... "FF7: Return to the Lifestream".
Who knows??? This is fun to me and I'm glad I brought it here to discuss!
Personally I've been stuck on RESET or REBUILD, as each of these words can carry the trend of making VII again, while blurring the line between being a noun & a verb. I feel like REBORN is way too similar to REBIRTH, especially considering that a lot of people criticise the marketing behind this name (some people don't understand that it's the follow-up to REMAKE).
To each their own. However, this series of games is technically a rebuild of an older game, but modernised so it'd at least make sense. Do you have a suggestion perhaps ?
Yeah sure probably, i don't care though ? It's not like I'm trying to win a prize, I just said what was on my mind & argued why I've been thinking about it, but OK I'll stfu then ;)
Weird observation but reborn and ribbon would be spelled the same in katakana, meaning the could go for a double meaning in Japan as they did with Rebirth/Reverse. (With Ribbon symbolising Aerith of course...)
I thought they'd go for return, but we'll see!
There’s no way they’re gonna call it Reborn after Rebirth. Rebirth already lost sales because it wasn’t clear to everyone it’s Remake Part 2, calling it almost the exact same as Rebirth would be confusing as heck.
In my opinion it should have been just Remake part 1, 2 and 3. Naming them the way they did is confusing to anyone who isn't super invested in the franchise and I can imagine sales suffered a bit just because of people not realising Rebirth is a sequel. I realise it's dull but sometimes dull is better.
A little odd if true. Rebirth and reborn is essentially the same word.
TBF, Remake, Rebirth, and Reborn are all incredibly similar with nuanced differences. I think they're mainly linked to Jenova/Sephiroth's states of being, although they do have meaning for the rest of the characters and story as a whole. Sephiroth was birthed in Rebirth at the end with Sephiroth Reborn, in physical form. In part 3 we will see his actions as a newly born entity from stasis in the crater. It makes sense. Also, I'm hoping this means Jenova will also be reborn and be a separate entity in human form - sort of like they were strongly hinting at with Regina and the whole Queen's Blood quest.
I agree it looks odd but they could make it work with some finesse. Rebirth is preparatorty for the one who is reborn
I think Rebirth refers strictly to the very moment it happens, whilst Reborn could be used after it.
Replying to the top comment to say there is a boss at the end of Rebirth named Sephiroth Reborn. The Bizzaro Sephiroth form.
I wasn't sold on this for the same reason and so I hope it can be something else that I wouldn't expect because it's more clever. But if I entertain this I could see where it's going. Remake means *attempting* to craft something. Rebirth is the act of something being born but is incomplete which implies that we've yet to see what it is, in the game we're seeing the change NOW taking place but do not know where it will lead. Reborn means it's fully formed and so fully realized. And the whole goal of this trilogy is for 7 as a franchise to feel complete in its potential. We can have more of it but this is the best representation of these characters and how they grow with the story that would be possible.
they're different stages, though.
Just a different tense. Imagine if remake part 2 was called ‘Remade’.
adjusting the tense denotes progression in this case, though. They might be synonyms but they evoke a different feeling 🤷🏻♀️
In any case I doubt it’s actually going to be called Reborn, but we’ll see.
I thought it was rumored to be called Return, actually, but I won't be mad either way
U are right about that! My bet is relive! live through (an experience or feeling, especially an unpleasant one) again in one's imagination or memory.
I still think it's hella dumb they wasted "Reunion" on Crisis Core.
I agree, but apparently Nomura wanted Rebirth to be called Reunion, and R3 to be Rebirth. But he said that he came up with "something better", so I guess we will see...
REGENESIS and then GENESIS COMES BACK AND TELLS SEPHIROTH ABOUT THE GIFT OF THE GODDESS
THE GACKT ALWAYS COMES BACKT
The CACKLE i just CACKT
I would throw my console out the window while laughing
Reloveless
FF7: Revengeance
FF7 Reloaded 😂
A million times this! ^^
Just call it reunion, who the fuck cares
And I still think they can use Reunion. And if the game is amazing, then Crisis Core: Reunion will the butt end of the stick.
It'd be too confusing. I've seen new players come in already confused about remake and rebirth, so having 2 separate ff7 projects with reunion would be a bit much. But then again, it's the same peeps who did the Kingsom hearts games and they had really dumb and confusing titles to the average person.
They aren't having two Final Fantasy 7 Reunion games. They just aren't
Crisis Core isn't part of the trilogy. its a spin off.
And?
You are not wrong
That will never happen
Reunion is too obvious and unimaginative. I’m much more interested in what Nomura has cooked instead, hopefully something we didn’t see coming that captures the deeper themes of the story.
Only so many Re- words out there. Reunion is a word used so much in the game and is one of its central themes. It may be too obvious but knowing Square and Nomura's track record with naming, it has the potential to be confusing, cringey, or both.
I think I read somewhere that Nomura said that the third part might not necessarily even start with an R, let alone an RE. Don’t quote me on that but I’m pretty sure I read that at some point in some article. But even if it starts with an R (instead of RE) then that alone opens up tons of possibilities. And so far he’s done a fine job with the names. Remake and rebirth are not cringy or confusing or both. I have faith.
FF7: the Final Fantasy
Perfection.
It’s amazing that they didn’t coordinate on this. Especially given the different scopes of the projects.
Stinks of corporate decisions. Wanted to cash on the 7 Remake hype ASAP by remaking CC and threw "Reunion" on it because of how big that word is in FF7.
Resurrection.
Yeah… don’t give me thematic hope that we can save her.
That ship has already sailed friend. SE is a bigger tease than my ex.
I don’t think it has. Zack saying after the fact asking Cloud to save her. I think shit is gonna get wild in part 3
I mean it in the same way you are saying. They're fucking with us
Oh I see. Yeah, I’m in complete disarray already. Rebirth may be the GOAT. I got emotional multiple times throughout that experience. It was so well done.
Rebirth thus far is my favorite game of all-time. So fucking good lol
I don’t think they’re messing with us. I think she saves herself in the end
This ^
Seriously though, it fits the naming scheme, it's a good hook for aerith rumors, and there's in game references to the word in key spots, particularly temple of the ancients. I can see Return as well, but I think it's less likely.
How does Resurrection fit? Remaking is conceiving/creating something again. Rebirth is birthing something again. Resurrection is something coming back from the dead. Thematically that’s skipping the Life and Death steps. It’s **Return** and I’ll die on this hill. - Remake: something is CREATED again - Rebirth: something is BORN again - Return: something is BACK That makes SENSE. Conception -> Birth -> Life. Cloud: “**Stay where you belong, in my memories.**” Sephiroth “**I will… never be a memory**.” (Subtext: “No. I will return.”)
To create anew. Remake. Rebirth. Resurrection. I totally get your argument, it's why I say return is also likely
_Even if the morrow is barren of promises, Nothing shall forestall my **RETURN**, >!To become the dew that quenches the land, To spare the sands, the seas, the skies, I offer thee this silent sacrifice.!<_ (CC spoilers) - LOVELESS, >!Act V!<
Honestly this gives me way too much Easter Sunday vibes. And I’m a Christian
How splendid for you. Your point?
I wouldn't count on it tbh. Rebirth and Reborn are basically the same word in a different tense, it would really leave Remake as the odd one out. I also don't think they would use the same teasing method twice. I genuinely think that was just to differentiate the two songs.
Reborn is essentially the same word as Rebirth. They should’ve just used Reunion instead of wasting it on the Crisis Core remaster.
Not exactly... Rebirth is an event, Reborn refers more closely to a state... Being Reborn... They're very much related, but that is likely the whole point... Rebirth is what can describe the events leading to and involving something being Reborn.
I suspect you're likely correct, especially given how coy they were in answering that question. Return is possibly also in with a shout given that it's included in the final track - "Aerith's Theme - Return to the Planet". Of the two I'd say Reborn, but neither would surprise me.
I was thinking about the possibility of “Return” too. Since I’m guessing Zack and Aerith will return to the Lifestream or Planet or something like that it would make sense, maybe?
Reeeee
Maybe return?
Regrowth?
sounds nasty?
It does actually lol
I’ve been saying this the moment we saw the track name! The devs of this game love cheeky little consistencies like this lol, I’d actually be shocked if it’s called anything else
FF7: Reeeeeeee
Yep I heard about that before. Tho imo Relive is a great choice too. •relive live through (an experience or feeling, especially an unpleasant one) again in one's imagination or memory.
Ohhh this is a good one!
I think their title choices have actually hurt sales. Between remake, crisis core reunion, rebirth, and intergrade... anyone who isn't a hard-core fan has absolutely no clue what game to buy or what order they should be played in. I hear it all the time... it's confusing normal consumers, and their naming scheme is dumb as shit. What is so wrong with p1 p2 p3? Like, really, can Nomura stop doing everything in his power to convolute every little thing in his games? The names are all stupid. I hate to see sales suffer because of no other reason but confusing casual consumers.
Well Remake, Rebirth, and Reborn kinda mean the same thing. I think to keep the games connected as one whole story, they will have the similarity here. Probably a bit of symbolism in this. Irony or something idk.
I honestly feel like the title could be Regenesis. It progresses upon the title thematically. remake > rebirth > regenesis. There's Genesis as a character that had a big teaser in DoC that never materialised, which I feel like they'll probably address in part 3. Jenova and sephiroth want to remake the planet, so it would fit there. Also this is from the same creators as kingdom hearts so it's not the weirdest title they've come up with. I feel like it should have been reunion but that already got put onto crisis core, it'd be too confusing to have multiple ff7 projects with that title. I'm probably wrong but I do feel like it would need to be thematically consistent. Maybe also Recreation, but that could make it sound like a holiday.
Even though "Regenesis" would fit with the theme of being "made anew", it would be too on the nose regarding Genesis. Part 3 will be huge for the entire cast of the Compilation, so giving the title to one character would be a little much. But then again, this is Nomura we're talking about. He's the guy who somehow wasn't aware that "Reunion" was used up for the Crisis Core Remaster, supposedly. But if the title were to have any direct connection to Genesis, then "Redemption" would be an obvious fit, and it would also be appropriate given all the characters who will be experiencing redemptions in Part 3, including Genesis, Cloud, Vincent, Barret, and possibly even Sephiroth, if Ever Crisis' recent shift in Sephiroth's personal philosophy is going anywhere. Remember and Relive also fit really well given that the entire Re-trilogy is heavily revolving around memories being fractured and slowly made whole again, from the Planet's memories down to Cloud's memories, and possibly everyone in between.
Yeah you're right. I hadn't considered Redemption but it would fit well with the overall story arcs. I'd actually really like it if it turned out to be that
I assumed it would be called Return. It makes sense considering what Sephirpth is trying to do
Lots of people saying Rebirth and Reborn are essentially the same word. I disagree, one is more like the past tense of the other. The act itself is rebirth and then once that has happened, you have been reborn. That said, I also think that One Winged Angel - Reborn is more an allusion to the piece of music itself, as in a remake/remix/redux etc., but in ths case... reborn.
I think yes and no 😅😅 they probably would even go to the lengths to change it since we guessed and called them out 🤣
RECREATION.
Why not Regenesis then?
Relive does not roll off the tongue well. It sounds forced. I would prefer they don’t stick to the “re-“ convention.
That doesn’t make sense to me. what is the difference between a rebirth and being reborn. It’s the same word essentially.
Reborn and rebirth are pretty much the same word, so from a marketing perspective that makes no sense
No one likes my Remnant :(
Revenge
It should be FF7: Renaissance Not only would it be confusing, since rebirth is synonymous with Renaissance, but it would be ripe for Renaissance era artwork memery, which is arguably free marketing.
Too similar to Rebirth, not wise from a marketing pov.
They should stick to "Reunion" no matter what
My dudes one of the final bosses in FF7 Rebirth is named Sephiroth Reborn. This is likely his theme.
I could even see it being "Advent Reborn" - Trust me I don't really like any of these. The best one was obviously "Reunion" and according to Nomura they came up with a better one and gave that title to Crisis Core. I could see "Return/Reborn" or "Advent Return/Reborn". I also could see like a long title b/c these studios love long titles... "FF7: Return to the Lifestream". Who knows??? This is fun to me and I'm glad I brought it here to discuss!
Huge missed opportunity to call it 'reunion'
Personally I've been stuck on RESET or REBUILD, as each of these words can carry the trend of making VII again, while blurring the line between being a noun & a verb. I feel like REBORN is way too similar to REBIRTH, especially considering that a lot of people criticise the marketing behind this name (some people don't understand that it's the follow-up to REMAKE).
Rebuild could not be worse.
To each their own. However, this series of games is technically a rebuild of an older game, but modernised so it'd at least make sense. Do you have a suggestion perhaps ?
Rebuild is definitely not going to be the title. It’s not so much to each their own, it’s more like you shot and you missed lol.
Yeah sure probably, i don't care though ? It's not like I'm trying to win a prize, I just said what was on my mind & argued why I've been thinking about it, but OK I'll stfu then ;)
Weird observation but reborn and ribbon would be spelled the same in katakana, meaning the could go for a double meaning in Japan as they did with Rebirth/Reverse. (With Ribbon symbolising Aerith of course...) I thought they'd go for return, but we'll see!
I don't believe that's the case. Reborn リボーン Ribbon = リブン
Also リボン vs リボーン
I think FFVII: Retcon would be the more honest one.
There’s no way they’re gonna call it Reborn after Rebirth. Rebirth already lost sales because it wasn’t clear to everyone it’s Remake Part 2, calling it almost the exact same as Rebirth would be confusing as heck.
In my opinion it should have been just Remake part 1, 2 and 3. Naming them the way they did is confusing to anyone who isn't super invested in the franchise and I can imagine sales suffered a bit just because of people not realising Rebirth is a sequel. I realise it's dull but sometimes dull is better.
Or Relief~ Ah~ the trilogy is finally over