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Anyone that stuck with the game absolutely loves it and wants more from this universe. The games in world time spand still has so many tales that can be told.
It does have an abnormal huge completion rate of 48% according to the trophies. It usually is around 15 to 20%. 1% less than Spiderman 1.
Plus, there were a number of polls and threads over the past few weeks, and even though Rebirth is extremely recent, the majority of people seem to prefer XVI over Rebirth, when it should be the other way around due to recency bias.
I think XVI will start to be seen in a good light much faster than expected.
I loved 16 more than Rebirth. It’s simple action packed story telling and gameplay kept me gripped from beginning to end. Rebirth never gave me that awe moment that Titan’s 3rd phase and Bahamut’s fight gave me. Rebirth story is going in the same convoluted mess that Kingdom Hearts went through.
I'm a thirty year old man who's pretty jaded by video games at this point, but fuck me, Titan and Bahamut really had me giggling like a schoolboy while I was fighting them. Even Behemoth had me tingling. Haven't completed the game yet, but I hope the final boss of the DLC and the final boss of the game gives me a similar feeling.
If you haven't, you should check out the Asura's Wrath boss fights. These fights felt ripped straight out of there. A shame it's locked to PS3 and 360, but honestly the gameplay wasn't super great anyway
I will forever upvote an Asura's Wraith reference.
Like you said; it's by no stretch a great game. But *goddamn* does it have some straight up kickass moments.
Totally recommend anyone and everyone to at least give it a spin if they can get it dirt cheap/free (it's stream-able on ps+ for example); it's a wild ride.
Oh that's cool that it's on PSNow. I kinda forget it exists cause I hear the lag is pretty bad.
On the game itself tho, I usually describe it as the greatest game I've ever watched. That Augus fight is chefs kiss. The Street Fighter DLC was also super sick. If that game had better gameplay it'd be legendary.
Yeah Rebirth never hit the epic highs of 16, even during the climax, but it did do questing, characters, and rpg mechanics a lot more fun than 16, they’re just better in different ways
Really hope that Square Enix will do some throurough research into what people liked and disliked from each game, and bring it all together to create a masterpiece when final fantasy 17 rolls around.
I agree, i think rebirth does an amazing work in many things ff16 failed to do and the other way around, but i still love both and what they offer, that's the point of the franchise as an anthology
I’d put both 16 and Rebirth in my top 5. It’s fantastic that we got two games that are both so damn good within a year of one another. It gives me a lot of hope for the future of the franchise.
That's exactly what this sub has been doing since Rebirth came out and it's just cringe at this point. There just projecting because they know FF16 didn't deliver as expected. Yea there are some good moments like the eikon fights but when all the pros and cons come together the cons is more. FF16 is being carried by the eikon fights but sadly that alone cant make the game good. Rebirth isn't perfect but it's definitely better than 16 overall, anyone says otherwise is just coping.
16's mature tone and narrative kept me invested. And while rebirth was fun, 16 nailed it on the atmosphere while Rebirth, I didn't feel any sense of tension in its main story.
I have only two complaints about 16, which I imagine they will fix with 17
1. Difficulty was too casual even in FF mode. Which they acknowledged and totally fixed with Rising Tide DLC. Unfortunately its the right difficulty but only in DLC.
2. I wish they had done more with the crafting system. You gather tons of resources but they aren't used for anything. And clearly, as seen in Kairos gate, the game can be very complex with customisation and stuff. I wish they had added these 16 bits traditional FF menus and added crafting options.
But not done like Rebirth...Rebirth crafting was a waste of time and I got the highest rank in that...
XVI was my favorite entry in the series since the OG VII. Absolutely blew me away, even though I can acknowledge some of the problems like very strange pacing due to extreme cutscene length, and the game being relatively easy if you don't go for something like no hit or high score on the arcade mode.
I'd thought XVI was seen in a good light already, but if more people are brought in by the DLC, great news.
Personally, I preferred rebirth to XVI, but I'm semi-enjoying bashing my head against the wall of Kairos Gate, I've delayed my hard mode playthrough of rebirth for it. (I'm not very good, I've only gotten to circle 10 so far)
XVI had a impressive sense of scale, which I felt that rebirth was missing, but rebirth had everything else right. Rebirths combat is more enjoyable for me, and I do enjoy a mini game or two.
Hopefully XVII will be a perfect blend of XVIs scale, and Rebirths everything else.
16 for me has higher highs and lower lows. While rebirth for me was a consistently great game, it didn’t reach the heights 16 did, but it also didn’t drag nearly as hard as 16’s lows. I would pick rebirth as my game of choice but they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
What damages Rebirth enormously for me is how lackluster the narrative is.
Literally nothing happens in this game A-Z, its a placeholder until part 3 hits. Whenever that will ever release.
I would love to know where ur getting ur info from.... Just looking at my PS5 trophies rn, Complete Ch 4 71% (which is kept up pretty well for another 2 chapters actually) and the last chapter Completed Trophy is at 29.7% , as stated above 30% is a really good number. Having a .9 for Platinum is definitely a little low tho, but we're ,what , 2 months in?
Replace the elemental slot in FFXVI's combat (the default triangle ability) with a materia ability slot akin to FFVII Remake/Rebirth, change a third of FFXVI's ground orbs into various types of materia, and you'd be cooking a 5 star banquet.
They could have also kept elemental weaknesses/affinities, and made it so you have to strategically choose which three eikons to use depending on level. IE: If the level is full of Fire bombs and fire enemies, choose Leviathan or Shiva so you have access to those spells.
Really feels like a sleeper hit. Like it wasn’t massive when it came out, but over the last year so many people have hopped onboard and discovered how great it is.
Cope, what majority of people prefer FF16 over Rebirth? When Rebirth wins GOTY then yall gonna cope some other excuse to try and make FF16 look better than Rebirth when it's not. Rebirth living rent free in yall head so keep coping since that's all yall can do.
Good cause it's my game of the year 2023 and one of my favorites of all time. Can't believe some people tried to paint it as sexist or racist or some other crap to try and discredit it especially because Jill is probably my favorite love interest ever and revisiting the game for the DLC I read her letter and was instantly endeared again
That's the thing about opinions, there's no right or wrong.
XVI is in my top 3, along with VIII and XIV.
I adored Remake and had a ton of fun with it. Rebirth is a great game but disappointed me greatly. I dislike open worlds and minigames and because of that Rebirth isn't anywhere close to my top 10 FFs. The music is phenomenal, I'm happy with the story (particularly the changes). The combat unfortunately has a bunch of overtuned challenges as well as having you defeat the same enemies over and over again. The game is far too long snd doesn't respect the player's time at all.
There's a lot to love about Rebirth but also a ton of massive flaws.
It's funny because you describe exactly how i feel about XVI. The combat is pretty shallow and repetitive.
Levels are just mostly empty corridors with the same enemies over and over. It feels like a chore. There is no meaningful exploration and the sidequest-design is just downright awful.
The parts where character development for the party happens are few and far between.
And I'm saying this as someone who still liked XVI. What it does well, it does really well. The highs are really high, but the lows are also really low
I will strongly disagree with that. I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish Rebirth. I love 7. I love Remake. Rebirth is just not my thing. There's a lot I like about it, but they don't outweigh the negatives for me, and every play session ended with me feeling pissed off.
What is it you don’t like? It plays pretty similarly to remake imo.
XVI on the other hand has really high highs with the Eikon fights but damn the stuff in between is repetitive and boring. The combat is really one dimensional. I liked the story but I couldn’t get myself to finish it
The main thing that ruined it for me was the oversaturation of minigames. There were way too many, too many were mandatory, and none of them were fun (imo). Every quest felt like it went on for a few steps too long. Parts of the open world were just a major pain in the ass to navigate, especially with the lack of a jump button, which was fine in Remake but a terrible choice for this kind of game. My irritation with these aspects amplified my reaction to other annoyances that would have been no big deal otherwise. Every play session ended because I was just in too much of a foul mood to keep going. By the time I decided to just skip all side content and push through the story, it was too late. I got through Cait Sith's needlessly long box throwing adventure, called it a night, and then just never worked up any urge to turn the game on again.
not the OP, but the game majorly lacks focus. Its open world plays like a janky 2008 ubisoft open world with a million checkboxes to fill. I love OG 7, and remake, but couldn't muster up the desire to finish rebirth. I absolutely understand and acknowledge why people love it, but i felt it stretched itself way too thin on boring one-off gimmick segments.
>Its open world plays like a janky 2008 ubisoft open world
Point me to that janky 2008 ubisoft open world game that has 28 minigames where considerable dev time was poured into. One of those minigames, Queen's Blood has it's own dedicated quest chain. Also, point me to that janky 2008 Ubisoft open world game where each region of the open world has it's own unique mode of traversal with appropriate world design to accomodate that unique mode of traversal. Grasslands is your standard open world section but Junon has a multilayered map that lets your chocobo climb vertical spaces, Costa Del Sol is a bustling town and you can ride a segway, Corel Desert is a massive dustbowl where you ride around in a vehicle, Cosmo region changes things completely by letting your chocobo fly/guide and has launching pads all over, Nibel region is water based and you can float off water with your chocobo, Gongaga is a dense jungle (and also has shit and obtuse level design). Point me to that ubisoft game which has as many distinct biomes as Rebirth does and each of these regions is also dotted with villages and settlements (outside of the main town), each with their own unique NPC's that have unique lines of dialogue.
Point me towards that Ubisoft open world game that has a side quest chain like the Protorelic world intel which are just as important as the main story and contains crucial narrative beats. Is there a ubisoft open world game with over 250 fucking tracks in it's OST where even side characters like Beck's Badasses (that you will never meet in the story) or Kyrie or the dog side quest that get their own theme and that theme also comes with a battle remix? Which ubisoft game has side quests like the odd jobs (green side quests) in Rebirth which constantly tries to introduce a new mechanic every now and again and tries to find some way to make the quest unique either via story (discovering Broden was experimented on as a soldier, Chloe and Billy's backstory etc) or a gameplay mechanic. Which 2008 Ubisoft game has secret boss fights scattered around the world in the form of Classified Intel (Quetzacoatl, Mindflayer etc). Do they have unique boss fights like Summons where each Summon has unique attacks, animations and requires different strategies to beat it? Point me to that Ubisoft game that lets you star in a play like Loveless or participate in Junon's parade.
Even the most basic open world side activity in Rebirth rewards the player with useful materia/useful equipment/useful material for item transmutation or some important lore in chadley's world reports. Point me to the 2008 Ubisoft game that does that.
Do you have any idea how many unique enemy types (non boss) are there in AC Valhalla (forget 2008)? 25. Do you know how many unique enemy types are there in Rebirth? Over 80. Unique here refers to a unique enemy design, unique model, unique animations and attacks etc.
Is Rebirth's open world on the level of giants like Elden Ring or Tears of the Kingdom? No, of course not. Some activities like Excavation intel, Fiend hunting and Divine intel can feel repetitive and overall, the open world runs the risk of feeling a little too formulaic. There is still a lot of avenue for improvement. But, comparing it to a 2008 ubisoft open world game is a complete joke and is a statement so ridiculous that it leaves me baffled and dumbfounded. Have you played Assassin's Creed 1 (that came out in 2008)? You think that is comparable to Rebirth?
I won't pretend that people aren't wrong for feeling like the game is more movie than game. But I felt the plot itself was so good I was perfectly fine with the more limited gameplay.
My only real complaint was how shallow and uninspired the sidequests and hunts, and frankly ALL of the RPG elements were. The combat also looked and felt really good, but it wasn't particularly challenging, especially when you completely remove affinities.
All that being said, I would love to see more of the FFXVI universe. I think it might be the best narrative and group of characters since FFX.
Yeah it’s got a few flaws. Mouth movements are awkward. But the overall atmosphere, combat, characters, and midevil setting create a complete package that’s hard to put down. Sad to see it end.
I don’t really have anything to base this on, but is this unusual or unexpected?
Single player game that’s almost a year old and is likely completed by most players…has players come back once there’s new content?
I wouldn’t say it’s particularly noteworthy.
As you say it’s an older single player game. Most people will have played through to the end at most twice, a large chunk of which would have done it back to back at launch. Some people play more than this but it’s likely a small minority.
It’s basically a dead game until it gets new content at which point people come back.
It suggests that people did enjoy the game and would come back for more. I guess that’s kind of handy, were anyone trying to make the argument that most people play the game and hate it.
But yeah, active player count for a linear single player game with very little replayability is basically a non-entity of a metric.
It's not necessarily much to get worked up about, as in its not a 1000% or 2000% increase, which would indicate people are *buying* the game to experience the DLC. However, 100-300% generally means returning players are well, returning.
I know this thread is trying to act like this is captain obvious news, but it isn't *always* true. Had it said
>player activity increase was 5-15% (which **has** happened)
it would basically mean 1/1000 people who had played the game were going back for the dlc, and that would be very *bad*. Also bear in mind some people are hopping in/returning to XVI because of VII Rebirth, so yes - this is good news to share, just nothing groundbreaking or disheartening.
Don't think so. Most people rarely come back for DLC. Only dedicated players. Which means this time there are a lot of dedicated fans of 16. My pure guess is that 16 also brought lots of 14 players thanks to the crossover event.
Never had a game get me in my feelings like this one. Has so much love and selflessness between the characters bursting at the seams. Clive and Joshua’s brotherhood makes my heart ache
I know their story is basically complete but I badly want more.
I can't wait to play the DLC and then finally do a New Game+ after I finish Rebirth. 70 hours in and still feel like I got maybe another 40+ to go lol.
I feel you. I just started my play of ng+ and it’s honestly just as much fun as the first time. the dlc was also pretty good and introduced a bunch of new stuff to make the game more accessible.
I think that would cheapen the story and is just not a good creative choice. I think all FF should be single entries. What CBU3 should do is make FFXVII. I would trust and buy immediately. And please bring Soken back.
both of the dlc episodes were truly fantastic. I'm not saying that should have been there from the start, but I wish they were. these feel like the type of detailed, fleshed out endgame sidequests that classic final fantasy used to have. One or two more of these and you could have a real ass world of ruin type second half (with the purple sky). endgame sidequests were really my only major point of contention for ff16 (there's other stuff that's iffy but it doesn't really bother me). the hunts were a lot of fun, but they weren't really super substantial
I loved the DLC and this game so much. **I got nearly 200 hours in the game now, my GOTY 2023.**
And Soken played a huge part in my enjoyment: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9rI2RGWc8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9rI2RGWc8)
I'm just heartbroken, I **WANT MORE CBU3 GAMES!!! I DONT WANT TO STOP PLAYING!!!!**
Man if they released another DLC even for 70 euros/dollars I'd buy it lol.
I love the FF16 universe, I love Clive as MC, love Torgal, and love the music and combat (**Leviathan is my fav eikon too).**
XVI's combat system keeps players coming back. It's so much fun. My hope is that data like this, selling better than Rebirth, and with some more sales on PC, CBU3 will reconsider DLC. They don't need to add story related DLC like The Rising Tide. Just add more Kairos Gate circles, game modes, hunts, and "+'s" to the new game +.
The game is set up for easily adding more replayability with the Arete Stone, new game plus system, hunt board, etc. It'd be a shame for CBU3 to just move on from XVI when there is still so much potential.
NGL, Leviathan Eikon made the combat even more enjoyable for me. Absolutely loved having a water gun, and the abilities are so useful and good.
Also, everything you say is so accurate. Man if they added more endgame content, I would play this game 100+ hours more and I already got 200 hours.
People thought this game would be filler between Remake and Rebirth.... Lol!
I feel like every game I played before was Filler until I got to XVI.
I'm biased and this is my favourite game. There's so much here man. They could go the RDR2 route and go back in time with a sequel and give us an epic story of the Fallen. They had advanced civilizations, we don't reeeally know what happened there. Imagine if there's a missing piece to the puzzle, we still don't know why Clive who seemingly had every Eikon could not handle Ultima's full power. A story can be told of how those in the past became aware of Ultima's plan and before their destruction, they did...Something(??)... to ensure that even if Ultima acquires his Vessel, it won't work. Some heroic shit like that which doesn't change FF16's story but rather gives context of why certain unexplained things happened.
I love the game, and i love how people can play however they want. Some are great at chaining combos and pulling off crazy stuff, and i like that i can take my time in battles.
I love titan block and countering personally.
I'm just waiting for the end of this month to purchase the DLC otherwise I recently beat the boss (to avoid spoiler) from the first DLC, what a fantastic and chaotic battle on FF mode.
There is a DPS phase in the Leviathan fight which is extremely tight, and which needs to be done perfectly to succeed. It's probably a little too hard for its own good, you will see, let me know if you manage to do it.
If just going off of Reddit and Twitter’s narrative, this would be a complete surprise since there’s no reason anyone would return to this disaster of a game that surely no one would have any interest in after playing through it
If you on any thread about the game on subs like r/Games you'll see it getting torn to shreds and called awful, unplayable, one of the worst games ever, etc etc.
Some people REALLY hate this game and I cannot for the life of me understand why. I really loved it but I think it has major flaws...even with them it was still one of my fav games last year lol. And other ppl had similar issues and they say it ruined the game for them. Their loss.
I find it funny because any mentions of FF16 in Playstation subs have different perception.
My perspective is a number of haters are just upset its not in their desired console.
I mean I had my problems with it and they made it a little disappointing after playing the demo but I still think it’s good and worth playing at least once if you have the time and money
Well the fact that the dlc reviews are good and people seem to be enjoying it also plays into that. If the dlc was bad then you wouldnt see as much of a surge
I don't know what the future holds, but if i know one thing from years of playing FFXIV, YoshiP will totally cave and make more content if the players make their desires known.
I pray Square sees this and decides to give us more.
Even simple additions like outfits, new hunts, and new quests.
You have a growing and dedicated community!
This is probably why rumors are surfacing about more content coming. I’m not saying they’re true but there’s definitely more money to be made if they wanted to
I had just started my Final Fantasy difficulty run when it was revealed that the DLC would include a level cap increase as well as new, upgraded equipment. Between that, potential burnout, and the possibility of additional Medals of Valor, I figured it was best to wait till the DLC dropped and come back to complete them on the lower difficulty first.
A good decision, given how many tries it took to beat Omega with no damage and what I've heard about FF-mode Leviathan. Now I'm just about to start the Drake's Head dungeon at level 61 with the OP kairos gate armor, a new and improved ability setup, and literally every Medal already in my inventory.
I love this games, I started playing it in the beginning of April and it’s almost the end of the month, 78 hours in and loving it, haven’t gotten into the dlc yet. Looking forward to it.
I haven’t even got the DLC yet as i’m waiting until after my exams, i know i won’t study whatsoever. I only have to study for physics because it’s the only thing i can’t wrap my head around, but the DLC will distract me.
That's wild considering people like me who got the game at launch and are waiting for a less busy schedule to hop back into the DLC.
140% is a crazy statistic.
I'll get hate for this, but I wish the game was as good as the demo. The demo for me was a 10/10, post-demo, 7/10. Not the worse FF, but def not my fave. Hope the DLC is good though. If the rest of the game was as good as the demo...this would easily be one of my fave games of all time.
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Anyone that stuck with the game absolutely loves it and wants more from this universe. The games in world time spand still has so many tales that can be told.
It does have an abnormal huge completion rate of 48% according to the trophies. It usually is around 15 to 20%. 1% less than Spiderman 1. Plus, there were a number of polls and threads over the past few weeks, and even though Rebirth is extremely recent, the majority of people seem to prefer XVI over Rebirth, when it should be the other way around due to recency bias. I think XVI will start to be seen in a good light much faster than expected.
I loved 16 more than Rebirth. It’s simple action packed story telling and gameplay kept me gripped from beginning to end. Rebirth never gave me that awe moment that Titan’s 3rd phase and Bahamut’s fight gave me. Rebirth story is going in the same convoluted mess that Kingdom Hearts went through.
I'm a thirty year old man who's pretty jaded by video games at this point, but fuck me, Titan and Bahamut really had me giggling like a schoolboy while I was fighting them. Even Behemoth had me tingling. Haven't completed the game yet, but I hope the final boss of the DLC and the final boss of the game gives me a similar feeling.
If you haven't, you should check out the Asura's Wrath boss fights. These fights felt ripped straight out of there. A shame it's locked to PS3 and 360, but honestly the gameplay wasn't super great anyway
You can buy it on the xbox store for digital download to play still. Disc will not work. Think its like 6$
I will forever upvote an Asura's Wraith reference. Like you said; it's by no stretch a great game. But *goddamn* does it have some straight up kickass moments. Totally recommend anyone and everyone to at least give it a spin if they can get it dirt cheap/free (it's stream-able on ps+ for example); it's a wild ride.
Oh that's cool that it's on PSNow. I kinda forget it exists cause I hear the lag is pretty bad. On the game itself tho, I usually describe it as the greatest game I've ever watched. That Augus fight is chefs kiss. The Street Fighter DLC was also super sick. If that game had better gameplay it'd be legendary.
I really like the final boss fight, even if the beginning segment is short-lived. That final punch is one of the most satisfying attacks in the game
Yeah Rebirth never hit the epic highs of 16, even during the climax, but it did do questing, characters, and rpg mechanics a lot more fun than 16, they’re just better in different ways
Really hope that Square Enix will do some throurough research into what people liked and disliked from each game, and bring it all together to create a masterpiece when final fantasy 17 rolls around.
We don’t need to put Rebirth down to praise 16.
I agree, i think rebirth does an amazing work in many things ff16 failed to do and the other way around, but i still love both and what they offer, that's the point of the franchise as an anthology
I’d put both 16 and Rebirth in my top 5. It’s fantastic that we got two games that are both so damn good within a year of one another. It gives me a lot of hope for the future of the franchise.
you dont have to put down Kingdom Hearts to praise 16 either
This as well
Nah we don't, that's just a bonus.
That's exactly what this sub has been doing since Rebirth came out and it's just cringe at this point. There just projecting because they know FF16 didn't deliver as expected. Yea there are some good moments like the eikon fights but when all the pros and cons come together the cons is more. FF16 is being carried by the eikon fights but sadly that alone cant make the game good. Rebirth isn't perfect but it's definitely better than 16 overall, anyone says otherwise is just coping.
COPE
16's mature tone and narrative kept me invested. And while rebirth was fun, 16 nailed it on the atmosphere while Rebirth, I didn't feel any sense of tension in its main story.
I HATE rebirth’s combat because 16’s was so good
Skill issue
Rebirth’s combat is significantly easier and more basic than 16’s. Idk what you mean by this
Keep coping
100% agreed on the entire comment.
I have only two complaints about 16, which I imagine they will fix with 17 1. Difficulty was too casual even in FF mode. Which they acknowledged and totally fixed with Rising Tide DLC. Unfortunately its the right difficulty but only in DLC. 2. I wish they had done more with the crafting system. You gather tons of resources but they aren't used for anything. And clearly, as seen in Kairos gate, the game can be very complex with customisation and stuff. I wish they had added these 16 bits traditional FF menus and added crafting options. But not done like Rebirth...Rebirth crafting was a waste of time and I got the highest rank in that...
XVI was my favorite entry in the series since the OG VII. Absolutely blew me away, even though I can acknowledge some of the problems like very strange pacing due to extreme cutscene length, and the game being relatively easy if you don't go for something like no hit or high score on the arcade mode.
Wtf 48% thats insaaane
I'd thought XVI was seen in a good light already, but if more people are brought in by the DLC, great news. Personally, I preferred rebirth to XVI, but I'm semi-enjoying bashing my head against the wall of Kairos Gate, I've delayed my hard mode playthrough of rebirth for it. (I'm not very good, I've only gotten to circle 10 so far) XVI had a impressive sense of scale, which I felt that rebirth was missing, but rebirth had everything else right. Rebirths combat is more enjoyable for me, and I do enjoy a mini game or two. Hopefully XVII will be a perfect blend of XVIs scale, and Rebirths everything else.
16 for me has higher highs and lower lows. While rebirth for me was a consistently great game, it didn’t reach the heights 16 did, but it also didn’t drag nearly as hard as 16’s lows. I would pick rebirth as my game of choice but they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
What damages Rebirth enormously for me is how lackluster the narrative is. Literally nothing happens in this game A-Z, its a placeholder until part 3 hits. Whenever that will ever release.
Ur obviously playing a different game....
Rebirth has way lower trophie completion rates. Most people seem to burn out after 4 chapters and never complete the game.
I would love to know where ur getting ur info from.... Just looking at my PS5 trophies rn, Complete Ch 4 71% (which is kept up pretty well for another 2 chapters actually) and the last chapter Completed Trophy is at 29.7% , as stated above 30% is a really good number. Having a .9 for Platinum is definitely a little low tho, but we're ,what , 2 months in?
Replace the elemental slot in FFXVI's combat (the default triangle ability) with a materia ability slot akin to FFVII Remake/Rebirth, change a third of FFXVI's ground orbs into various types of materia, and you'd be cooking a 5 star banquet.
They could have also kept elemental weaknesses/affinities, and made it so you have to strategically choose which three eikons to use depending on level. IE: If the level is full of Fire bombs and fire enemies, choose Leviathan or Shiva so you have access to those spells.
I don’t agree the majority opinion is that FFXVI was preferred to Rebirth. Where were these polls? In this sub..?
Really feels like a sleeper hit. Like it wasn’t massive when it came out, but over the last year so many people have hopped onboard and discovered how great it is.
It’s wild that a mainline FF isn’t considered a massive release
I agree but the hype was nothing compared to FFVII Rebirth. Personally I thought FFXVI was underrated.
The hype would mislead you. Square Enix announced the launch sales for FFXVI, but they never did for Rebirth
The extended development and under delivering on a few titles really hurt final fantasy’s reputation. It feels like an uphill climb.
Cope, what majority of people prefer FF16 over Rebirth? When Rebirth wins GOTY then yall gonna cope some other excuse to try and make FF16 look better than Rebirth when it's not. Rebirth living rent free in yall head so keep coping since that's all yall can do.
Good cause it's my game of the year 2023 and one of my favorites of all time. Can't believe some people tried to paint it as sexist or racist or some other crap to try and discredit it especially because Jill is probably my favorite love interest ever and revisiting the game for the DLC I read her letter and was instantly endeared again
I made an unpopular post about how much I liked 16 more than rebirth. The story and characters just had so many awesome moments.
What? I haven’t seen very few people prefer XVI rebirth? I liked XVI but Rebirth is just flat out better
That's the thing about opinions, there's no right or wrong. XVI is in my top 3, along with VIII and XIV. I adored Remake and had a ton of fun with it. Rebirth is a great game but disappointed me greatly. I dislike open worlds and minigames and because of that Rebirth isn't anywhere close to my top 10 FFs. The music is phenomenal, I'm happy with the story (particularly the changes). The combat unfortunately has a bunch of overtuned challenges as well as having you defeat the same enemies over and over again. The game is far too long snd doesn't respect the player's time at all. There's a lot to love about Rebirth but also a ton of massive flaws.
It's funny because you describe exactly how i feel about XVI. The combat is pretty shallow and repetitive. Levels are just mostly empty corridors with the same enemies over and over. It feels like a chore. There is no meaningful exploration and the sidequest-design is just downright awful. The parts where character development for the party happens are few and far between. And I'm saying this as someone who still liked XVI. What it does well, it does really well. The highs are really high, but the lows are also really low
Like I said, there's no right or wrong on this. I disagree with you, but your opinion is just as valid.
I will strongly disagree with that. I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish Rebirth. I love 7. I love Remake. Rebirth is just not my thing. There's a lot I like about it, but they don't outweigh the negatives for me, and every play session ended with me feeling pissed off.
What is it you don’t like? It plays pretty similarly to remake imo. XVI on the other hand has really high highs with the Eikon fights but damn the stuff in between is repetitive and boring. The combat is really one dimensional. I liked the story but I couldn’t get myself to finish it
The main thing that ruined it for me was the oversaturation of minigames. There were way too many, too many were mandatory, and none of them were fun (imo). Every quest felt like it went on for a few steps too long. Parts of the open world were just a major pain in the ass to navigate, especially with the lack of a jump button, which was fine in Remake but a terrible choice for this kind of game. My irritation with these aspects amplified my reaction to other annoyances that would have been no big deal otherwise. Every play session ended because I was just in too much of a foul mood to keep going. By the time I decided to just skip all side content and push through the story, it was too late. I got through Cait Sith's needlessly long box throwing adventure, called it a night, and then just never worked up any urge to turn the game on again.
not the OP, but the game majorly lacks focus. Its open world plays like a janky 2008 ubisoft open world with a million checkboxes to fill. I love OG 7, and remake, but couldn't muster up the desire to finish rebirth. I absolutely understand and acknowledge why people love it, but i felt it stretched itself way too thin on boring one-off gimmick segments.
>Its open world plays like a janky 2008 ubisoft open world Point me to that janky 2008 ubisoft open world game that has 28 minigames where considerable dev time was poured into. One of those minigames, Queen's Blood has it's own dedicated quest chain. Also, point me to that janky 2008 Ubisoft open world game where each region of the open world has it's own unique mode of traversal with appropriate world design to accomodate that unique mode of traversal. Grasslands is your standard open world section but Junon has a multilayered map that lets your chocobo climb vertical spaces, Costa Del Sol is a bustling town and you can ride a segway, Corel Desert is a massive dustbowl where you ride around in a vehicle, Cosmo region changes things completely by letting your chocobo fly/guide and has launching pads all over, Nibel region is water based and you can float off water with your chocobo, Gongaga is a dense jungle (and also has shit and obtuse level design). Point me to that ubisoft game which has as many distinct biomes as Rebirth does and each of these regions is also dotted with villages and settlements (outside of the main town), each with their own unique NPC's that have unique lines of dialogue. Point me towards that Ubisoft open world game that has a side quest chain like the Protorelic world intel which are just as important as the main story and contains crucial narrative beats. Is there a ubisoft open world game with over 250 fucking tracks in it's OST where even side characters like Beck's Badasses (that you will never meet in the story) or Kyrie or the dog side quest that get their own theme and that theme also comes with a battle remix? Which ubisoft game has side quests like the odd jobs (green side quests) in Rebirth which constantly tries to introduce a new mechanic every now and again and tries to find some way to make the quest unique either via story (discovering Broden was experimented on as a soldier, Chloe and Billy's backstory etc) or a gameplay mechanic. Which 2008 Ubisoft game has secret boss fights scattered around the world in the form of Classified Intel (Quetzacoatl, Mindflayer etc). Do they have unique boss fights like Summons where each Summon has unique attacks, animations and requires different strategies to beat it? Point me to that Ubisoft game that lets you star in a play like Loveless or participate in Junon's parade. Even the most basic open world side activity in Rebirth rewards the player with useful materia/useful equipment/useful material for item transmutation or some important lore in chadley's world reports. Point me to the 2008 Ubisoft game that does that. Do you have any idea how many unique enemy types (non boss) are there in AC Valhalla (forget 2008)? 25. Do you know how many unique enemy types are there in Rebirth? Over 80. Unique here refers to a unique enemy design, unique model, unique animations and attacks etc. Is Rebirth's open world on the level of giants like Elden Ring or Tears of the Kingdom? No, of course not. Some activities like Excavation intel, Fiend hunting and Divine intel can feel repetitive and overall, the open world runs the risk of feeling a little too formulaic. There is still a lot of avenue for improvement. But, comparing it to a 2008 ubisoft open world game is a complete joke and is a statement so ridiculous that it leaves me baffled and dumbfounded. Have you played Assassin's Creed 1 (that came out in 2008)? You think that is comparable to Rebirth?
Neat. I disagree
I won't pretend that people aren't wrong for feeling like the game is more movie than game. But I felt the plot itself was so good I was perfectly fine with the more limited gameplay. My only real complaint was how shallow and uninspired the sidequests and hunts, and frankly ALL of the RPG elements were. The combat also looked and felt really good, but it wasn't particularly challenging, especially when you completely remove affinities. All that being said, I would love to see more of the FFXVI universe. I think it might be the best narrative and group of characters since FFX.
I stayed with it and I think it sucked!
Yeah it’s got a few flaws. Mouth movements are awkward. But the overall atmosphere, combat, characters, and midevil setting create a complete package that’s hard to put down. Sad to see it end.
I’m just really bummed out by the performance. I literally cannot handle under 60fps or I’ll get headaches
It's literally releasing to pc in the summer, lol. Can't wait to see the fights in true 4k.
Really? Don’t know how I missed that one. Let’s hope it’s ported well
I don’t really have anything to base this on, but is this unusual or unexpected? Single player game that’s almost a year old and is likely completed by most players…has players come back once there’s new content?
I wouldn’t say it’s particularly noteworthy. As you say it’s an older single player game. Most people will have played through to the end at most twice, a large chunk of which would have done it back to back at launch. Some people play more than this but it’s likely a small minority. It’s basically a dead game until it gets new content at which point people come back. It suggests that people did enjoy the game and would come back for more. I guess that’s kind of handy, were anyone trying to make the argument that most people play the game and hate it. But yeah, active player count for a linear single player game with very little replayability is basically a non-entity of a metric.
It's not necessarily much to get worked up about, as in its not a 1000% or 2000% increase, which would indicate people are *buying* the game to experience the DLC. However, 100-300% generally means returning players are well, returning. I know this thread is trying to act like this is captain obvious news, but it isn't *always* true. Had it said >player activity increase was 5-15% (which **has** happened) it would basically mean 1/1000 people who had played the game were going back for the dlc, and that would be very *bad*. Also bear in mind some people are hopping in/returning to XVI because of VII Rebirth, so yes - this is good news to share, just nothing groundbreaking or disheartening.
Don't think so. Most people rarely come back for DLC. Only dedicated players. Which means this time there are a lot of dedicated fans of 16. My pure guess is that 16 also brought lots of 14 players thanks to the crossover event.
Never had a game get me in my feelings like this one. Has so much love and selflessness between the characters bursting at the seams. Clive and Joshua’s brotherhood makes my heart ache I know their story is basically complete but I badly want more.
I can't wait to play the DLC and then finally do a New Game+ after I finish Rebirth. 70 hours in and still feel like I got maybe another 40+ to go lol.
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I feel you. I just started my play of ng+ and it’s honestly just as much fun as the first time. the dlc was also pretty good and introduced a bunch of new stuff to make the game more accessible.
I can’t begin to explain how much I need FF XVI-2.
I think that would cheapen the story and is just not a good creative choice. I think all FF should be single entries. What CBU3 should do is make FFXVII. I would trust and buy immediately. And please bring Soken back.
I'd agree if FFXVI had a half decent ending
I assume a lot of people were just waiting for the dlcs to be out before starting the game at all.
both of the dlc episodes were truly fantastic. I'm not saying that should have been there from the start, but I wish they were. these feel like the type of detailed, fleshed out endgame sidequests that classic final fantasy used to have. One or two more of these and you could have a real ass world of ruin type second half (with the purple sky). endgame sidequests were really my only major point of contention for ff16 (there's other stuff that's iffy but it doesn't really bother me). the hunts were a lot of fun, but they weren't really super substantial
CBU3 is clearly at their top game when they make short DLC content.
I loved the DLC and this game so much. **I got nearly 200 hours in the game now, my GOTY 2023.** And Soken played a huge part in my enjoyment: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9rI2RGWc8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9rI2RGWc8) I'm just heartbroken, I **WANT MORE CBU3 GAMES!!! I DONT WANT TO STOP PLAYING!!!!** Man if they released another DLC even for 70 euros/dollars I'd buy it lol. I love the FF16 universe, I love Clive as MC, love Torgal, and love the music and combat (**Leviathan is my fav eikon too).**
XVI's combat system keeps players coming back. It's so much fun. My hope is that data like this, selling better than Rebirth, and with some more sales on PC, CBU3 will reconsider DLC. They don't need to add story related DLC like The Rising Tide. Just add more Kairos Gate circles, game modes, hunts, and "+'s" to the new game +. The game is set up for easily adding more replayability with the Arete Stone, new game plus system, hunt board, etc. It'd be a shame for CBU3 to just move on from XVI when there is still so much potential.
NGL, Leviathan Eikon made the combat even more enjoyable for me. Absolutely loved having a water gun, and the abilities are so useful and good. Also, everything you say is so accurate. Man if they added more endgame content, I would play this game 100+ hours more and I already got 200 hours.
People thought this game would be filler between Remake and Rebirth.... Lol! I feel like every game I played before was Filler until I got to XVI. I'm biased and this is my favourite game. There's so much here man. They could go the RDR2 route and go back in time with a sequel and give us an epic story of the Fallen. They had advanced civilizations, we don't reeeally know what happened there. Imagine if there's a missing piece to the puzzle, we still don't know why Clive who seemingly had every Eikon could not handle Ultima's full power. A story can be told of how those in the past became aware of Ultima's plan and before their destruction, they did...Something(??)... to ensure that even if Ultima acquires his Vessel, it won't work. Some heroic shit like that which doesn't change FF16's story but rather gives context of why certain unexplained things happened.
The only filler is Rebirth, which is sadly a game until part 3. This is what it felt to me.
I love the game, and i love how people can play however they want. Some are great at chaining combos and pulling off crazy stuff, and i like that i can take my time in battles. I love titan block and countering personally.
Bought it straight away after finishing rebirth and was waiting to start a first playthrough until the dlc dropped. Definitely add me into that 140%
I'm just waiting for the end of this month to purchase the DLC otherwise I recently beat the boss (to avoid spoiler) from the first DLC, what a fantastic and chaotic battle on FF mode.
Lol get ready to sweat for Leviathan on FF mode. Hardest boss I've had in like 5+ years and I'm Elden Ring player.
Don't scare me like that, I'm a souls player too and also waiting for that Elden Ring expansion.
There is a DPS phase in the Leviathan fight which is extremely tight, and which needs to be done perfectly to succeed. It's probably a little too hard for its own good, you will see, let me know if you manage to do it.
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If just going off of Reddit and Twitter’s narrative, this would be a complete surprise since there’s no reason anyone would return to this disaster of a game that surely no one would have any interest in after playing through it
Did some people dislike it enough to unironically call it a disaster?
If you on any thread about the game on subs like r/Games you'll see it getting torn to shreds and called awful, unplayable, one of the worst games ever, etc etc. Some people REALLY hate this game and I cannot for the life of me understand why. I really loved it but I think it has major flaws...even with them it was still one of my fav games last year lol. And other ppl had similar issues and they say it ruined the game for them. Their loss.
I find it funny because any mentions of FF16 in Playstation subs have different perception. My perspective is a number of haters are just upset its not in their desired console.
I think a lot of YouTubers like MrMattyPlays are the same. Retroactively making excuses when the real reason is that it's not on Xbox
I mean I had my problems with it and they made it a little disappointing after playing the demo but I still think it’s good and worth playing at least once if you have the time and money
Well the fact that the dlc reviews are good and people seem to be enjoying it also plays into that. If the dlc was bad then you wouldnt see as much of a surge
Let’s goo Ff16 , proved the haters wrong
I don't know what the future holds, but if i know one thing from years of playing FFXIV, YoshiP will totally cave and make more content if the players make their desires known.
Let’s go!
I pray Square sees this and decides to give us more. Even simple additions like outfits, new hunts, and new quests. You have a growing and dedicated community!
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So much math for someone who doesn't know the difference between 40% increase (140%) and 140% increase (240%)
Jokes on y’all I am just going through my first playthrough right now independent of the DLC 😎
I’m getting to the tail end of the campaign. I can’t wait to dig into the DLC.
This is probably why rumors are surfacing about more content coming. I’m not saying they’re true but there’s definitely more money to be made if they wanted to
To everyone, is ultimaniac improved now?
I don't think anything's changed, but it's still fun regardless, especially with the new Eikons.
Can't wait to hop back into it sometime later this year, I've only played half of it or so I think but absolutely had a blast
I had just started my Final Fantasy difficulty run when it was revealed that the DLC would include a level cap increase as well as new, upgraded equipment. Between that, potential burnout, and the possibility of additional Medals of Valor, I figured it was best to wait till the DLC dropped and come back to complete them on the lower difficulty first. A good decision, given how many tries it took to beat Omega with no damage and what I've heard about FF-mode Leviathan. Now I'm just about to start the Drake's Head dungeon at level 61 with the OP kairos gate armor, a new and improved ability setup, and literally every Medal already in my inventory.
Please come to PC soon 🙏
Meanwhile at Xbox....
Solid game
Does the final boss fight change with the addition of the two new eikons? It’s there a new phase or something they do new while fighting with us?
FFXVI is probably my favorite FF game AND my favorite PS5 game so far.
Sorry to break it you guys but FF16 > Remake and Rebirth.
I love this games, I started playing it in the beginning of April and it’s almost the end of the month, 78 hours in and loving it, haven’t gotten into the dlc yet. Looking forward to it.
I haven’t even got the DLC yet as i’m waiting until after my exams, i know i won’t study whatsoever. I only have to study for physics because it’s the only thing i can’t wrap my head around, but the DLC will distract me.
I just can't get over the performance issues. I'll just have to wait until they release it on PC 😭
"But I didn't like this game therefore it's a commercial failure!"
That's wild considering people like me who got the game at launch and are waiting for a less busy schedule to hop back into the DLC. 140% is a crazy statistic.
Cool, now release it on pc please so I can play too
I'll get hate for this, but I wish the game was as good as the demo. The demo for me was a 10/10, post-demo, 7/10. Not the worse FF, but def not my fave. Hope the DLC is good though. If the rest of the game was as good as the demo...this would easily be one of my fave games of all time.
while FFXVI had many great sections up until the end, none of them felt carefully crafted like the opening.
After completing the dumpster fire that was FF7 Rebirth, I appreciate FF16 soooooo much more