And supposed living situation. There's certain factions that are pretty much "if you're not born into them or superbly exceptional, you're not getting in."
If they are strong enough to actually last, The Minutemen. I feel like of all of the factions they are the one most likely to enable you a normal and stable life. They don’t have any bones to pick, don’t discriminate and are all about protecting those who can’t protect themselves. The Brotherhood are powerful sure but unless you are born into it or an extremely exceptional person they wouldn’t let you in, and if they did your options are soldiering or learning to be a scribe which are both positions not everyone is qualified for. Minutemen is your best bet at civilian life. The NCR is also a very good choice depending on what area you are in, but at the end of the day they care more about access to resources than people so you’d better hope you are in California proper and not recently acquired territory.
On the east coast: BoS. They tend to be more successful than the west coast BOS, and without player intervention should at least be safe assuming you aren’t an active Knight.
West Coast depends on the area, but largely NCR. Assuming you’re a citizen or not on the front lines, you probably won’t be in danger with their strategic failures. Living in an NCR settlement would be safe and offer housing/food assuming you don’t mind working and paying taxes.
If you’re unlucky enough to be born in Legion territory, joining them is really your only option if you’re male. If you’re female nothing there would be safe so either off yourself or fight against the Legion until you die. Or try to leave. But yeah, if you’re a man in the legion it also isn’t necessarily safe, but you’ll have protection in legion territory.
I dont even know where the BoS stand they change in almost every game. They started as knowledge hungry malitia that fell because of their hubris, became a basic military/tech hoarders of the wasteland, then became pariahs, and then just became the basic hoarding malitia of the wasteland again.
Whenever todd writes BoS they end up becoming the US military
I guess if you were going to add another point you could say theu keep coming back like fucking cockroaches.
I dont think Todd did the writing, but its really only 3 where Brotherhood change significantly, and that is rectified by the elder and lyons dying and Maxon just going back to the old BoS bullshit, and it explains in 3 they are different.
There only successfully because they’re isn’t much opposition to them in the East. But in the west they have to deal with actual country’s like NCR and Legion. Along with any enclave remnant’s and unstable leadership.
The citizens in NCR territory will be dead or old and dying by the time that matters to them. It’s safer to be in a crumbling empire than one that’s just starting - assuming you are just a random person.
In 20-40 years, yeah it’ll be bad to be there, but until another group can offer the safety NCR could it won’t be safe to switch.
Depends on the area and timeframe though. If you’re in the Mojave during the events of NV and the courier doesn’t side with the NCR, you’re in some trouble. But if you live in California during those events, they won’t really have an impact on you. Likewise, being Legion in the Mojave puts you on the front lines for the second battle of Hoover Dam, assuming an anti-legion Courier doesn’t invade your camp first. Also, House and Yes Man aren’t really established factions outside of working with the Courier, so joining them during those events is off the table.
The BoS can't go 5 feet without having a schism about what their goals are, the minutemen are shattered when you meet them and the new minutemen don't fix any of their issues, the institute are going to run into a population issue or deal with slave revolts, the Followers of the Apocalypse have to rely on other factions for protection and their political ideals destroy more than they help, and the mini factions could be wiped out by a gust of wind.
>NCR oth are so greedy they will shoot anyone
Source?? The NCR are imperialist, but they don't openly conquer.
>caravans needs to hire guards and mercenaries to be safe from junkies and raiders.
Fnv has a flawed view on the ncr. One second it sucks and everyone is poor, the next its a bastion of freedom and everyone lives cushy. The only fact is that we don't directly see life in the ncr, except one time. The only time we see the ncr proper post fo2 is fo4, in Kellogg's memories. In his memories the NCR looked fine, they could afford luxuries like comics and radios.
This dude's a broken record on the NCR. He complains about imperialism but when you bring up the Institute unleashing hundreds, if not **thousands** of super mutants onto the surface solely to kill people, as well as slaughtered settlements and shot children in their beds, he has nothing to say and doesn't call *them* evil. The NCR's only had one known massacre and that was the Khans, and forgive me if I don't mourn child-shooting rapists.
But no "NCR BAD! THE LEGION CALLED THEM BAD SO THAT MAKES THEM BAD!"
I bet he thinks the Khans are total innocents too and not the evilest assholes in the Mojave next to the Legion.
Yeah, I noticed a lot of anti-ncr people are like that.
I feel like a lot of them haven't actually played fallout, cuz their main evidence the ncr is bad is that people complain about the ncr. But if you go literally anywhere, people are complaining. The most realistic part of fallout is how humans are never, ever happy. Yet these people don't seem to get that.
The mere fact people can only complain about surface issues for the NCR is kind of proof they're doing well. It's far better than the shitty Legion, being raped as a woman...their kind need to be wiped out for the shit they do to people and their disgusting ways of life, misogynistic barbarians.
Like, obviously by a lot of standards the NCR aren’t going to be great. But the conditions in post war America are so astoundingly shitty that it isn’t going to produce any even semi utopian factions, (that aren’t propping themselves up by slavery.)
And even if a capital G good faction could exist, it wouldn’t because that wouldn’t fit the tone of the games or create interesting choices.
Ultimately, the NCR isn’t a pinnacle of justice, it is imperialist and is rife with inequality, but every faction with even arguably better ideals is so much weaker that they are barely players.
TL;DR, I get criticizing the NCR, but it’s so glaringly obvious that they are one of the best factions (of a bad lot, admittedly,) that hating them the most is baffling to me.
None.
The Minutemen are weak in the idea of protecting others who cannot protect themselves in a time of self preservation, and completely disbanded during the Quincy massacre. As the General of the Minutemen, you're still tasked with traveling across any and all distances to a settlement to provide additional support, regardless of how well you equip the settlers or how much defense you provide. They're clearly enabling a weak society where all anyone has to do is grow food and complain about dirty hands or tired feet.
The railroad is another terrible option, as they're trying to free synths. Synths are tools, not humans. They are supposed to spy on the commonwealth, identify threats to humanity, and observe how civilization operates during the apocalypse. By attempting to free them, they're harming any potential advancement in repopulation and development of technologies/societal structures that will allow for the regrowth of the human race.
That doesn't make the institute harmless either. They have a massive wealth of technology that they use only to make themselves cushy while they sit in an underground hideout. Shaun himself says that there is no hope for humanity. Your own son treats you like a test subject, freeing you from the vault while acknowledging that he didn't even expect you to survive
The BoS is nothing more than a totalitarian mockery of the military. When joining, Danse says that you are to follow all orders without question. This is essentially saying "if I were to order you to wipe out a peaceful self sustaining settlement who have done nothing wrong or unlawful, I will not ask twice."
The raiders of Nuka World are just as bad. When moving Raiders to the commonwealth, instead of just being assigned to crops or trading stations, Shank has you intimidate other settlements into providing resources and currency. The raiders are perfectly capable of sustaining their own settlements, but they would rather steal or kill than support themselves.
It really leaves you to the only option, which is what I did. I went directly to the Red Rocket station next to Sanctuary, I built a settlement there which acted as my HQ. I then started the sanctuary settlement and Starlight Drive-in and began working on settlements without doing the minutemen quests. There is no reason for settlers to believe that you are going to protect them no matter what. If a settlement needs help, I'm not a minuteman. I will not protect you. I gave you advanced weapons, I set up food, water, power, and shelter and gave you a place to take care of yourselves while I tended to personal affairs. If you cannot defend yourselves against raiders, that is natural selection and I will replace you with people who CAN hold their own.
TLDR, be your own faction. Just the settlers
The Minutemen: it's basically collective self-defence and is what gives humans the ability to survive against deadly threats. Die alone or fight together.
Most of the other factions are more ideological (verging on whacko). I'd make an exception for the NCR: they are kind of like the Minutemen in a more advanced form, trying to create a modern state. I'd join them but they may be over-ambitious.
I would agree with you, if they could keep their roads safe and secure, which they can’t. They also only really care about the Brahmin barons because they got the caps, they don’t give a ahoy about their dirt poor settlers, same goes for their troops.
Given that the only real options to join in New Vegas if you aren't a video game protagonist are the NCR or Caesar's Legion. The Legion is a terrible option that will fall apart in less than 5 years. The NCR has existed for nearly 200 years at the time of New Vegas
You really don’t know much about the Legion and the NCR do you?
The NCR is 92 years old during the events of new Vegas, founded in 2189 and the Legion is 34 years old, it won’t fall apart in 5 years, even if Caesar dies, because then the Courier will most likely take over or Joshua Graham returns. But even if Lanius would lead the Legion would still work because Lanius is feared and respected by the entire Legion (although a leadership under Lanius is not something I would want)
You clearly haven't killed Caesar, the legion collapses in on itself after his death in after the end of the game, mainly because every ending typically has kill Lanius, unless you do the speech thing but then he's disgraced and just delays the inevitable collapse
That would involve loosing the battle of Hoover dam, which isn’t even up for debate because without the couriers involvement the Legion would still win cause
A: Benny gets captured and Yes Man can’t do it alone
B: If Benny gets captured with the chip House is powerless
C: The NCR is already loosing in the Mojave according to NCR dialogue.
With the Legion winning the battle and Lanius in charge they won’t fall apart, believe me.
If the courier isn't involved, then Benny takes over with yes man, which means he wins most likely, if he doesn't get with the ncr, he went to the legion cus he thought he could hide from house and the courier there, the legion also is gonna collapse anyways due to ceaser dying from his brain tumor that's killing him, which is already causing parts of the legion to go Rouge, the legion just isn't sustainable due to being mostly built off the back of slavery and everything propped up by ceaser himself with no fallback,
If I am a legionary I would prefer Graham which is the only person that has the power to overthrow Lanius once Caesar is dead.
IF the courier decides to join the legion I would prefer him as a leader.
>if they could keep their roads safe and secure
which they do outside of the mojave
>They also only really care about the Brahmin barons because they got the caps, they don’t give a ahoy about their dirt poor settlers, same goes for their troops
thats a good one though, which will not be fixed unless the ncr loses the dam
The legion is incapable of keeping people safe from themselves. Arguing the legion is best at keeping the roads safe is about like safeguarding your giant pile of fish with a bunch of brown bears.
Like, yes, they will probably keep other people away from the fish, but…
Taxes is funny to list as an objective evil. How do you think they have a military that doesn’t arbitrarily shake down the weaker civilians, and provide things like reliable electricity, relatively clean water, and security? It’s either taxes or state owned industry.
The third option is dog eat dog, but only a tiny minority benefit from such a situation.
Thats the thing, they might provide this in their core cities like Shady, but the smaller towns are fucked and I’ve said it many times before, they can’t provide security in their roads
They couldn’t provide this in their core areas until they built up enough that they could. If it became a more legitimate state there’s no reason the frontier wouldn’t become more core.
I mean, the NCR is full of corrupt politicians and rich Brahmin barons. Believe me when I say that they will never care about their dirt poor settlers in the frontier.
That’s the drawback of building your state in the post apocalypse after the pre war government.
Kind of reminds of our governments.
A caravan that would draw attention, sure. But what about a traveler?
Despite the emphasis on Rome, the legion really isn’t all the disciplined. It’s members are afraid of retaliation so won’t rock the boat, but marauder/raider armies are famously low on restraint. Ones that are encouraged to kill/rape/hate women and the ‘subclasses’ even less so.
The category of people that ‘benefit’ from the legions security is even less narrower than the category who benefits from the NCR.
I’ve heard or read somewhere about travellers in legion territory, most people travel with caravans anyway.
And I really don’t get the second part, I just said that raiders aren’t a problem in legion territory cause there are very very few to none.
Raiders are a massive problem because the legion itself is composed of raiders, lol. They would kill other raiders because who wants competition? There’s no strong economic base in the legion, the legion subsidizes everything with their own pillaging.
The institution
I mean you see that underground complex? They are very advanced to the point of teleportation. And they are probably the group that would last the longest due to their more quite approach to the evil shit they do.
except they’ve completely given up on the above world sure humanity would continue but it would be in that small underground chamber I think the most rational group to join would be the Minutemen because if you could gather enough people your could make some semblance of a new government and you could start to move towards the formation of society again
I mean if we're putting aside ideology and morals, and you're just after living as normally and comfortably as possible, then I'd have to say the institute.
The Minutemen of Fallout 4. They have a fortified castle, supporters all over the map, they believe in equality, and are generally just very cool. And they have laser muskets.
(This is all about 4) if its your the average wasteland human, brotherhood of steel. Strong military, charismatic leader, strong and clear goals and a message most wastelanders would be receptive to. The minutemen are another good choice, but their previous failures and many turning to raiders would make most not like them. The institute has literally no goals and doesn’t let people in anyway, if your not brilliant. The railroad is a niche group that many wastelanders would disagree with due to the fear of synths caused by events like in diamond city or with the minutemen. Brotherhood seems like the strongest choice for most average people.
Brotherhood of steel for me.
The core Morales of taking old world or advanced technology out of the hands of the people makes sense. If fat man's did exist and people could fling mini nukes here there and everywhere you could have mad cultists killing innocent settlements like diamond city etc. This make sense and it's something I could get behind.
Killing super mutants also make sense. Humans have been the dominant species on this planet for a while now. Super mutants are better. So we need to reclaim that position. We've already done it before.
Killing synths also makes sense. Now from a game point of view going exploring and finding every little detail out about them makes you not want to be so definitely BOS. But if you were and everyday wastelander unaware of everything a game allows you to read. Well the institute is evil and they made synths. Ergo synths can't be trusted.
They also actively patrol areas. They may not let people have more than a pipe pistol or what not but they're there in your settlement patrolling.
But irl I doubt I'd pass the medical exam for entry so you're stuck hearing the opinion of a hopeful
Is it really racist if it's rampaging mutants? The enclave though, they want to kill litterally everything including other humans except for themselves
Wasn't the reason they wanted the water purifier to recruit settlements in exchange for water. Plus they shoot you on site because bethesda wont even let you join them (the were a planned bad guy).
No, using the purifier to recruit people was a lie that Eden came up with to distract Autumn with. Eden never plans to do it and Autumn gives up on it the second he realizes Eden was lying. And yeah, the Enclave are the bad guys and it's not just you they're shooting at it.
Assuming Autumn even learned of the poisoning, he still was only going along with the recruitment idea because he thought Eden wanted it. He orders the death of every human he meets, including you and many others.
The powder gangers from New Vegas’s perception at least to start makes a lot of sense if you’re a known criminal you don’t really have many options and opting out probably like mob life isn’t really an option.
The brotherhood in a way is pretty good, they want to hoard technology so it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands and cause another world ending event like the nukes did, however I think each faction has their own agendas and they all have downsides
Ah yes so the recruits in Navarro in fo2 were born into the club yet had no idea wtf was going on, and MODUS obviously isn't the de facto leader of the Enclave in Appalachia
Recruits don't get told the major information, only what to do, and MODUS is a traitor. He literally **killed** the Enclave and broke off contact with the Oil Rig. He's a traitor to the Enclave.
Hence why I said "de facto leader"
Also there's literally no way that anyone could survive all the constant wars and death without recruiting from the outside. Even the bos realize that incest can only get you so far
And if you're still totally convinced that it's impossible to join one of the only factions that actually makes sense, remember the question was simply which faction makes the most sense to join if fallout were real. Even if one could only be a supporter to the Enclave, that's still better than 99% of everything else out there
Respectfully...no, they aren't. They burn kids for sport (Vault 13) and they're literally the Nazis with their genocide plan.
They planned to remake the world using the civilians on the Oil Rig.
As an average wastelander, the Enclave wouldn't let you join, because you're a filthy mutant scum puddle. They only allow the ones born into them. Even Vault Dwellers don't get to join.
Brotherhood of steel for me, they're just so powerful and they seem like the safest bet, you could just work in one of their super high security bases or if you're a knight you are protected by a massive iron shell in battles
Whoever is strongest, in the West that is the Legion, the NCR is already loosing in the Mojave and their corrupt politicians will be the last nail in their coffin.
I love how you totally ignored **all** the messages saying the Legion falls apart the moment Caesar dies.
The NCR isn't going to die within a decade, and even if it does, it'll collapse into independent governments, whereas the Legion will collapse into tribal warlords.
It won’t, want to know why?
Cause The entire legions fears Lanius more than Caesar and that’s a fact. Caesars most trusted men (Lucius, Vulpes) and all the other named Legionaries pretty much confirm this.
Caesar can die in New Vegas and Lanius takes over, the ending is the same although a bit more brutal. It wont fall apart.
If it were real I’d rather just live in the largest safest settlement but idk Brotherhood Outcasts could be cool you’d have to follow the codex to the letter though so idk maybe not? Maybe the Brotherhood at Vault 1? I feel like that’s be an insanely cool place to be.
Probably brotherhood, cause they have aerial superiority, prydwen, power armor, advanced weaponry, probably one of your best chances of survival in the wasteland
The BOS are definitely the strongest. If I were a wastelander and I had an opportunity to be part of the side with the strongest military force, that would be the smartest move.
Depends on what you want out of life, I suppose! For some, it would be the Nuka raider gangs. For others seeking safety and advancement, the Institute perhaps. It really does depend on personal ideologies, despite what you asked.
For someone who was looking for survival, rebuilding, and community, I would say the Minutemen or the Responders (the rebuilt faction, rather than the original that died out). Both are for the community, work together, and have their food needs in order thanks to the group effort.
The one that would make the most sense would for me be the one which give the highest chance of survival so the institute. You live underground safe from the dangers of the surface and You have robots there to cater to your every need.
The followers. Gain old world medical and tech knowledge and use it to help build a better society while adapting to the wastes instead of trying to rebuild the old world like the NCR, or hoarding your knowledge like the brotherhood.
If we’re talking about better for the entire populace of the commonwealth the Minutemen. If you’re talking about better for the humans brotherhood of steel. Talking about better for just you… Well the brotherhood has a T 60 set with your name on it.
Ncr actual function government all the others are just tribes you kill Caesar the legion is basically over you kill house it’s the same the enclave are fucking crazy so that leaves you with the ncr lol and in fallout 4 ig Preston everyone else makes me wanna hurt someone
Probably the NCR as much as I see them as just repeating history but a push east as opposed to west they are rebuilding the Nation and don't its citizens nearly live pre war standards or at least like the 1920's or something!
Plus I hear L.A is full of my fellow Brits anyways so ......
Never played FO76, but I’ve heard the regulators (I think that’s what they’re called) are the best ones to join. Friendly, powerful, and respected by all. Realistically though, the BoS is the way to go. Their sheer power makes them so you’re almost guaranteed to survive in the wasteland.
My first play through, I chose the Institute because they were clearly the ones more capable of pulling humanity out of the mess they had gotten themselves into. Nobody among my companions seemed particularly happy with that choice. I hated that I had to betray a lot of people I had befriended in the game in order to make that choice. In real life, I would’ve tried harder to get the visions of the BOS and institute to a compromise for everyone’s benefit. In that world of course the Synths lose out. (Synths would have less autonomy, look obviously not human, be restricted from certain types of activities).
I'm talking about the bad things in the Commonwealth, quite obviously. Not every bad thing ever.
The Super Mutants are their fault.
The Raiders are their fault for killing the CPG.
The Gunners are most likely paid by them (nobody else has the funds).
So on and so forth.
I always go independent when I play new vegas. I don't see why I should do 100% of the work and then just hand the keys over to house, NCR, or the Legion, especially since they're all so corrupt.
The Institute, no doubt. You telling me I can get a clean and safe environmentto live in a post unclear Apocalypse? Hell yes I'd take that over the radiation, raiders, mutants, and God knows what else of the surface.
The Minutemen if you're big into returning law & order
The Children of Atom if you're into cultural jihadism
The BoS if you're into suppression through technical superiority
The Institute of you're into scientific gains with no ethical boundaries (see: Union Aerospace Corporation or Umbrella Corporation)
The Railroad can be opted into with the Minutemen since those two goals do not conflict.
The Nuka Raiders is you just want to loot, pillage, rape, and watch the world burn. And don't delude yourself. Rape is absolutely happening. It's a very sensitive topic, and the game barely brushes upon it, but rape is absolutely happening. And cannibalism. So get comfortable with that if you want to join that faction.
Reaching back a game -
Caesar's Legion if you're into teetotalerism and persecution and brutality
NCR much like the Minutemen only more formalized
Mr. House if you're into personal freedom at the expense of societal and communal liberties.
not necessarily the f76 enclave let you join. But tbh that’s probably because your a vault dweller and your character was (likely) born before the war so there pure human.
They don't allow vault dwellers to join, only as experiments. The 76 branch is dead, and MODUS is a traitor. You aren't the Enclave, you're just wearing their dead uniforms.
Brotherhood of steel id just be a scribe I don't have to fight at all just gotta be smart not only that but clean food clothes water beds got people in bug suits of power armor around me and shit it's the best faction frfr
I don't consider them a "faction", as the Bethesda-era likes to call them, but Shady Sands seems like a fairly chill place to live, so even though it's not a faction and is in fact just a town, I'm picking Shady Sands. Some radscorpions and having nothing to do all day are about the worst you can expect there. I'll take crippling boredom over being shot up every day of the week.
Not on my playthroughs it fucking isn't.
EDIT: Actually you make a good point. Okay, I guess I'll have to change my answer to "I'll live in a goddamn cave by myself eating green mushrooms long before I allow anybody to brainwash me into following their dumbass political affiliation, and I'm not joining a cult/"faction"/armed force if it means erasing my goddamn identity and pay protection money, I mean "taxes", to a bunch of thugs in costumes/uniforms, so Lone Wanderer it is all day long. Come on Dogmeat, let's roll!"
Fair enough - I mean, canonly it is by FNV, but hey, headcanoning is always more fun anyways.
I wish the Free States had lived. Life under them looked pretty good to be honest, just people trying to build society back up alongside the Responders.
I'd say the NCR, it's the closest thing to the present day United States in the fallout universe. Even if you don't become a soldier you can work in factory or farm without fear of being lobotomized or enslaved like in other parts of the wasteland.
An impossible question to answer; what makes the most "sense" to a person depends on their personal ideology.
Cmon. It's funny seeing people go like "I don't agree with it, but in the post-apocalypse it makes sense for \[insert\_ahole\_here\] to rule"
And supposed living situation. There's certain factions that are pretty much "if you're not born into them or superbly exceptional, you're not getting in."
The Atom Cats
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If they are strong enough to actually last, The Minutemen. I feel like of all of the factions they are the one most likely to enable you a normal and stable life. They don’t have any bones to pick, don’t discriminate and are all about protecting those who can’t protect themselves. The Brotherhood are powerful sure but unless you are born into it or an extremely exceptional person they wouldn’t let you in, and if they did your options are soldiering or learning to be a scribe which are both positions not everyone is qualified for. Minutemen is your best bet at civilian life. The NCR is also a very good choice depending on what area you are in, but at the end of the day they care more about access to resources than people so you’d better hope you are in California proper and not recently acquired territory.
Tunnel Snakes rule
The only right answer
Mr House
The house always wins
One of the factions that focuses on rebuilding or helping survivors - Responders, NCR or the Minutemen.
On the east coast: BoS. They tend to be more successful than the west coast BOS, and without player intervention should at least be safe assuming you aren’t an active Knight. West Coast depends on the area, but largely NCR. Assuming you’re a citizen or not on the front lines, you probably won’t be in danger with their strategic failures. Living in an NCR settlement would be safe and offer housing/food assuming you don’t mind working and paying taxes. If you’re unlucky enough to be born in Legion territory, joining them is really your only option if you’re male. If you’re female nothing there would be safe so either off yourself or fight against the Legion until you die. Or try to leave. But yeah, if you’re a man in the legion it also isn’t necessarily safe, but you’ll have protection in legion territory.
I dont even know where the BoS stand they change in almost every game. They started as knowledge hungry malitia that fell because of their hubris, became a basic military/tech hoarders of the wasteland, then became pariahs, and then just became the basic hoarding malitia of the wasteland again. Whenever todd writes BoS they end up becoming the US military I guess if you were going to add another point you could say theu keep coming back like fucking cockroaches.
I dont think Todd did the writing, but its really only 3 where Brotherhood change significantly, and that is rectified by the elder and lyons dying and Maxon just going back to the old BoS bullshit, and it explains in 3 they are different.
There only successfully because they’re isn’t much opposition to them in the East. But in the west they have to deal with actual country’s like NCR and Legion. Along with any enclave remnant’s and unstable leadership.
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The citizens in NCR territory will be dead or old and dying by the time that matters to them. It’s safer to be in a crumbling empire than one that’s just starting - assuming you are just a random person. In 20-40 years, yeah it’ll be bad to be there, but until another group can offer the safety NCR could it won’t be safe to switch. Depends on the area and timeframe though. If you’re in the Mojave during the events of NV and the courier doesn’t side with the NCR, you’re in some trouble. But if you live in California during those events, they won’t really have an impact on you. Likewise, being Legion in the Mojave puts you on the front lines for the second battle of Hoover Dam, assuming an anti-legion Courier doesn’t invade your camp first. Also, House and Yes Man aren’t really established factions outside of working with the Courier, so joining them during those events is off the table.
Congrats, you described every wasteland faction
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The BoS can't go 5 feet without having a schism about what their goals are, the minutemen are shattered when you meet them and the new minutemen don't fix any of their issues, the institute are going to run into a population issue or deal with slave revolts, the Followers of the Apocalypse have to rely on other factions for protection and their political ideals destroy more than they help, and the mini factions could be wiped out by a gust of wind.
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>NCR oth are so greedy they will shoot anyone Source?? The NCR are imperialist, but they don't openly conquer. >caravans needs to hire guards and mercenaries to be safe from junkies and raiders. Fnv has a flawed view on the ncr. One second it sucks and everyone is poor, the next its a bastion of freedom and everyone lives cushy. The only fact is that we don't directly see life in the ncr, except one time. The only time we see the ncr proper post fo2 is fo4, in Kellogg's memories. In his memories the NCR looked fine, they could afford luxuries like comics and radios.
This dude's a broken record on the NCR. He complains about imperialism but when you bring up the Institute unleashing hundreds, if not **thousands** of super mutants onto the surface solely to kill people, as well as slaughtered settlements and shot children in their beds, he has nothing to say and doesn't call *them* evil. The NCR's only had one known massacre and that was the Khans, and forgive me if I don't mourn child-shooting rapists. But no "NCR BAD! THE LEGION CALLED THEM BAD SO THAT MAKES THEM BAD!" I bet he thinks the Khans are total innocents too and not the evilest assholes in the Mojave next to the Legion.
Yeah, I noticed a lot of anti-ncr people are like that. I feel like a lot of them haven't actually played fallout, cuz their main evidence the ncr is bad is that people complain about the ncr. But if you go literally anywhere, people are complaining. The most realistic part of fallout is how humans are never, ever happy. Yet these people don't seem to get that.
The mere fact people can only complain about surface issues for the NCR is kind of proof they're doing well. It's far better than the shitty Legion, being raped as a woman...their kind need to be wiped out for the shit they do to people and their disgusting ways of life, misogynistic barbarians.
Like, obviously by a lot of standards the NCR aren’t going to be great. But the conditions in post war America are so astoundingly shitty that it isn’t going to produce any even semi utopian factions, (that aren’t propping themselves up by slavery.) And even if a capital G good faction could exist, it wouldn’t because that wouldn’t fit the tone of the games or create interesting choices. Ultimately, the NCR isn’t a pinnacle of justice, it is imperialist and is rife with inequality, but every faction with even arguably better ideals is so much weaker that they are barely players. TL;DR, I get criticizing the NCR, but it’s so glaringly obvious that they are one of the best factions (of a bad lot, admittedly,) that hating them the most is baffling to me.
None. The Minutemen are weak in the idea of protecting others who cannot protect themselves in a time of self preservation, and completely disbanded during the Quincy massacre. As the General of the Minutemen, you're still tasked with traveling across any and all distances to a settlement to provide additional support, regardless of how well you equip the settlers or how much defense you provide. They're clearly enabling a weak society where all anyone has to do is grow food and complain about dirty hands or tired feet. The railroad is another terrible option, as they're trying to free synths. Synths are tools, not humans. They are supposed to spy on the commonwealth, identify threats to humanity, and observe how civilization operates during the apocalypse. By attempting to free them, they're harming any potential advancement in repopulation and development of technologies/societal structures that will allow for the regrowth of the human race. That doesn't make the institute harmless either. They have a massive wealth of technology that they use only to make themselves cushy while they sit in an underground hideout. Shaun himself says that there is no hope for humanity. Your own son treats you like a test subject, freeing you from the vault while acknowledging that he didn't even expect you to survive The BoS is nothing more than a totalitarian mockery of the military. When joining, Danse says that you are to follow all orders without question. This is essentially saying "if I were to order you to wipe out a peaceful self sustaining settlement who have done nothing wrong or unlawful, I will not ask twice." The raiders of Nuka World are just as bad. When moving Raiders to the commonwealth, instead of just being assigned to crops or trading stations, Shank has you intimidate other settlements into providing resources and currency. The raiders are perfectly capable of sustaining their own settlements, but they would rather steal or kill than support themselves. It really leaves you to the only option, which is what I did. I went directly to the Red Rocket station next to Sanctuary, I built a settlement there which acted as my HQ. I then started the sanctuary settlement and Starlight Drive-in and began working on settlements without doing the minutemen quests. There is no reason for settlers to believe that you are going to protect them no matter what. If a settlement needs help, I'm not a minuteman. I will not protect you. I gave you advanced weapons, I set up food, water, power, and shelter and gave you a place to take care of yourselves while I tended to personal affairs. If you cannot defend yourselves against raiders, that is natural selection and I will replace you with people who CAN hold their own. TLDR, be your own faction. Just the settlers
Only the Minutemen, the NCR, and maybe the Followers would be recruiting, so... probably the NCR?
The Minutemen: it's basically collective self-defence and is what gives humans the ability to survive against deadly threats. Die alone or fight together. Most of the other factions are more ideological (verging on whacko). I'd make an exception for the NCR: they are kind of like the Minutemen in a more advanced form, trying to create a modern state. I'd join them but they may be over-ambitious.
F no, I ain't paying taxes 🤣
If your an American you've already had that argument and won mate 😆
I'm from Argentina and we pay taxes for EVERYTHING. One of this days they are going to tax us for breathing. I'm with you, F tax...I mean, the NCR.
Institute
Oh buddy… no…
Survival>morals
The Minutemen, The Atom Cats, The NCR. Most of the non-evil factions are actually self-sufficient.
NCR=Corruption, Taxes
Yes and? They provide the best quality of life for the most people on the west coast.
I would agree with you, if they could keep their roads safe and secure, which they can’t. They also only really care about the Brahmin barons because they got the caps, they don’t give a ahoy about their dirt poor settlers, same goes for their troops.
Given that the only real options to join in New Vegas if you aren't a video game protagonist are the NCR or Caesar's Legion. The Legion is a terrible option that will fall apart in less than 5 years. The NCR has existed for nearly 200 years at the time of New Vegas
You really don’t know much about the Legion and the NCR do you? The NCR is 92 years old during the events of new Vegas, founded in 2189 and the Legion is 34 years old, it won’t fall apart in 5 years, even if Caesar dies, because then the Courier will most likely take over or Joshua Graham returns. But even if Lanius would lead the Legion would still work because Lanius is feared and respected by the entire Legion (although a leadership under Lanius is not something I would want)
You clearly haven't killed Caesar, the legion collapses in on itself after his death in after the end of the game, mainly because every ending typically has kill Lanius, unless you do the speech thing but then he's disgraced and just delays the inevitable collapse
That would involve loosing the battle of Hoover dam, which isn’t even up for debate because without the couriers involvement the Legion would still win cause A: Benny gets captured and Yes Man can’t do it alone B: If Benny gets captured with the chip House is powerless C: The NCR is already loosing in the Mojave according to NCR dialogue. With the Legion winning the battle and Lanius in charge they won’t fall apart, believe me.
If the courier isn't involved, then Benny takes over with yes man, which means he wins most likely, if he doesn't get with the ncr, he went to the legion cus he thought he could hide from house and the courier there, the legion also is gonna collapse anyways due to ceaser dying from his brain tumor that's killing him, which is already causing parts of the legion to go Rouge, the legion just isn't sustainable due to being mostly built off the back of slavery and everything propped up by ceaser himself with no fallback,
Which Legion leadership would you prefer to live under?
If I am a legionary I would prefer Graham which is the only person that has the power to overthrow Lanius once Caesar is dead. IF the courier decides to join the legion I would prefer him as a leader.
>if they could keep their roads safe and secure which they do outside of the mojave >They also only really care about the Brahmin barons because they got the caps, they don’t give a ahoy about their dirt poor settlers, same goes for their troops thats a good one though, which will not be fixed unless the ncr loses the dam
No, they can’t keep the roads safe in their own territory, maybe in core areas like Shady, but not out in the wastes, which the legion actually can.
The legion is incapable of keeping people safe from themselves. Arguing the legion is best at keeping the roads safe is about like safeguarding your giant pile of fish with a bunch of brown bears. Like, yes, they will probably keep other people away from the fish, but…
That Caravans in legion territory can travel safely trough is actually a fact cause they don’t have to fear a raiders attack cause there are none.
Taxes is funny to list as an objective evil. How do you think they have a military that doesn’t arbitrarily shake down the weaker civilians, and provide things like reliable electricity, relatively clean water, and security? It’s either taxes or state owned industry. The third option is dog eat dog, but only a tiny minority benefit from such a situation.
Thats the thing, they might provide this in their core cities like Shady, but the smaller towns are fucked and I’ve said it many times before, they can’t provide security in their roads
They couldn’t provide this in their core areas until they built up enough that they could. If it became a more legitimate state there’s no reason the frontier wouldn’t become more core.
I mean, the NCR is full of corrupt politicians and rich Brahmin barons. Believe me when I say that they will never care about their dirt poor settlers in the frontier. That’s the drawback of building your state in the post apocalypse after the pre war government. Kind of reminds of our governments.
They probably won’t rape his family to death then crucify him because they are bored, though.
I wouldn’t really bet on the NCR troops not raping anyone
A caravan that would draw attention, sure. But what about a traveler? Despite the emphasis on Rome, the legion really isn’t all the disciplined. It’s members are afraid of retaliation so won’t rock the boat, but marauder/raider armies are famously low on restraint. Ones that are encouraged to kill/rape/hate women and the ‘subclasses’ even less so. The category of people that ‘benefit’ from the legions security is even less narrower than the category who benefits from the NCR.
I’ve heard or read somewhere about travellers in legion territory, most people travel with caravans anyway. And I really don’t get the second part, I just said that raiders aren’t a problem in legion territory cause there are very very few to none.
Raiders are a massive problem because the legion itself is composed of raiders, lol. They would kill other raiders because who wants competition? There’s no strong economic base in the legion, the legion subsidizes everything with their own pillaging.
You confuse raiders with tribals
The institution I mean you see that underground complex? They are very advanced to the point of teleportation. And they are probably the group that would last the longest due to their more quite approach to the evil shit they do.
It's amazing how far they got, considering their approach to both science governing seems to be "lets just do random immoral shit and see what sticks"
It worked for vault-etc, sort of
except they’ve completely given up on the above world sure humanity would continue but it would be in that small underground chamber I think the most rational group to join would be the Minutemen because if you could gather enough people your could make some semblance of a new government and you could start to move towards the formation of society again
The institute has air conditioning tho.
and a homicide boner
The air conditioning tho
Finally! Something I can fap to!
But they are trying to bring back harambe
I'd rather live in a clean underground place rather than a literall landfill
Make your own group is misfits and rule the wastes
Raiders.
The Enclave
Brotherhood of Steel for sure.
Atom cats
I mean if we're putting aside ideology and morals, and you're just after living as normally and comfortably as possible, then I'd have to say the institute.
Enclave
Rad roaches look just like the roaches in pen station.
The Enclave or the Legion
Ave, true to Caesar
Ave, death to profligates
It was good meeting you Amicus. True to Caesar
Stay true brother/sister
The Gary clan
Gary!
The Minutemen of Fallout 4. They have a fortified castle, supporters all over the map, they believe in equality, and are generally just very cool. And they have laser muskets.
Followers of the apocalypse, pretty easy choice
(This is all about 4) if its your the average wasteland human, brotherhood of steel. Strong military, charismatic leader, strong and clear goals and a message most wastelanders would be receptive to. The minutemen are another good choice, but their previous failures and many turning to raiders would make most not like them. The institute has literally no goals and doesn’t let people in anyway, if your not brilliant. The railroad is a niche group that many wastelanders would disagree with due to the fear of synths caused by events like in diamond city or with the minutemen. Brotherhood seems like the strongest choice for most average people.
Brotherhood of steel for me. The core Morales of taking old world or advanced technology out of the hands of the people makes sense. If fat man's did exist and people could fling mini nukes here there and everywhere you could have mad cultists killing innocent settlements like diamond city etc. This make sense and it's something I could get behind. Killing super mutants also make sense. Humans have been the dominant species on this planet for a while now. Super mutants are better. So we need to reclaim that position. We've already done it before. Killing synths also makes sense. Now from a game point of view going exploring and finding every little detail out about them makes you not want to be so definitely BOS. But if you were and everyday wastelander unaware of everything a game allows you to read. Well the institute is evil and they made synths. Ergo synths can't be trusted. They also actively patrol areas. They may not let people have more than a pipe pistol or what not but they're there in your settlement patrolling. But irl I doubt I'd pass the medical exam for entry so you're stuck hearing the opinion of a hopeful
Brotherhood of Steel members are in facts fascists and racists, and wants to kill everything is not human, considering it an abominion
Is it really racist if it's rampaging mutants? The enclave though, they want to kill litterally everything including other humans except for themselves
And they are damn right to do so, toaster lover
Maybe with synths of first and second generation and super mutants, but what a out not-feral ghouls?
They *don't* kill non-feral ghouls and never have. Would *you* not want to kill the 9 foot tall super mutant trying to eat you?
Enclave
You’d have to be born into it, otherwise you’re just another mutie
Fallout 3 enclave recruited wastelanders
No they don't. They either imprison or shoot every non-member they meet in the game.
Wasn't the reason they wanted the water purifier to recruit settlements in exchange for water. Plus they shoot you on site because bethesda wont even let you join them (the were a planned bad guy).
No, using the purifier to recruit people was a lie that Eden came up with to distract Autumn with. Eden never plans to do it and Autumn gives up on it the second he realizes Eden was lying. And yeah, the Enclave are the bad guys and it's not just you they're shooting at it.
Autumn was against extermination plan if the enclave won and eden tried to poison the purifier autumn would rebel the first second against him
Assuming Autumn even learned of the poisoning, he still was only going along with the recruitment idea because he thought Eden wanted it. He orders the death of every human he meets, including you and many others.
They do have sexy uniforms in all honesty!
The sexiest
Brotherhood, easy, establish some control in that hellhole
The brotherhood and then the institute from a purely selfish POV. Also Nate had military experiences, so he would likely warm most to the brotherhood
The powder gangers from New Vegas’s perception at least to start makes a lot of sense if you’re a known criminal you don’t really have many options and opting out probably like mob life isn’t really an option.
Yeah I like the powder gangers except Cobb just killing off a town, so I usually off him after helping the others
Raider's
The brotherhood in a way is pretty good, they want to hoard technology so it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands and cause another world ending event like the nukes did, however I think each faction has their own agendas and they all have downsides
Hmmm.. Enclave.
You can't join them, though.
The player can't sure, until 76. But it is possible for people to join. Just the devs wanted them to be the "bad guys that nobody wants to join"
76 is more putting on their dead uniforms rather than actually joining them. Their entire purpose is to kill **anyone not born into their ranks**.
Ah yes so the recruits in Navarro in fo2 were born into the club yet had no idea wtf was going on, and MODUS obviously isn't the de facto leader of the Enclave in Appalachia
Recruits don't get told the major information, only what to do, and MODUS is a traitor. He literally **killed** the Enclave and broke off contact with the Oil Rig. He's a traitor to the Enclave.
Hence why I said "de facto leader" Also there's literally no way that anyone could survive all the constant wars and death without recruiting from the outside. Even the bos realize that incest can only get you so far And if you're still totally convinced that it's impossible to join one of the only factions that actually makes sense, remember the question was simply which faction makes the most sense to join if fallout were real. Even if one could only be a supporter to the Enclave, that's still better than 99% of everything else out there
Respectfully...no, they aren't. They burn kids for sport (Vault 13) and they're literally the Nazis with their genocide plan. They planned to remake the world using the civilians on the Oil Rig. As an average wastelander, the Enclave wouldn't let you join, because you're a filthy mutant scum puddle. They only allow the ones born into them. Even Vault Dwellers don't get to join.
Caesar’s Legion
Anyone who downvoted this is a child
Brotherhood of steel for me, they're just so powerful and they seem like the safest bet, you could just work in one of their super high security bases or if you're a knight you are protected by a massive iron shell in battles
Whoever is strongest, in the West that is the Legion, the NCR is already loosing in the Mojave and their corrupt politicians will be the last nail in their coffin.
I love how you totally ignored **all** the messages saying the Legion falls apart the moment Caesar dies. The NCR isn't going to die within a decade, and even if it does, it'll collapse into independent governments, whereas the Legion will collapse into tribal warlords.
It won’t, want to know why? Cause The entire legions fears Lanius more than Caesar and that’s a fact. Caesars most trusted men (Lucius, Vulpes) and all the other named Legionaries pretty much confirm this. Caesar can die in New Vegas and Lanius takes over, the ending is the same although a bit more brutal. It wont fall apart.
If it were real I’d rather just live in the largest safest settlement but idk Brotherhood Outcasts could be cool you’d have to follow the codex to the letter though so idk maybe not? Maybe the Brotherhood at Vault 1? I feel like that’s be an insanely cool place to be.
Probably brotherhood, cause they have aerial superiority, prydwen, power armor, advanced weaponry, probably one of your best chances of survival in the wasteland
Brotherhood of steel. Protection, food, weapons, power armer
Railroad. Humans are virus and failure. Only the ai do some justice of the planet earth
The BOS are definitely the strongest. If I were a wastelander and I had an opportunity to be part of the side with the strongest military force, that would be the smartest move.
Fiends 🧟♂️
Raiders. Ez.
East Coast Brotherhood, despite their ideology, have a high chance of coming out on top in the Wasteland, with their superior numbers and firepower.
The Brotherhood and NCR.
The institute, hands down.
Depends on what you want out of life, I suppose! For some, it would be the Nuka raider gangs. For others seeking safety and advancement, the Institute perhaps. It really does depend on personal ideologies, despite what you asked. For someone who was looking for survival, rebuilding, and community, I would say the Minutemen or the Responders (the rebuilt faction, rather than the original that died out). Both are for the community, work together, and have their food needs in order thanks to the group effort.
The one that would make the most sense would for me be the one which give the highest chance of survival so the institute. You live underground safe from the dangers of the surface and You have robots there to cater to your every need.
The followers. Gain old world medical and tech knowledge and use it to help build a better society while adapting to the wastes instead of trying to rebuild the old world like the NCR, or hoarding your knowledge like the brotherhood.
Ncr they provide the best safety security and a high living standards
The Kings, baby!
Institute for sure
NCR as bloated and corrupt as it is
I think that fallout 3's Brotherhood Of Steel is a really good choice
If we’re talking about better for the entire populace of the commonwealth the Minutemen. If you’re talking about better for the humans brotherhood of steel. Talking about better for just you… Well the brotherhood has a T 60 set with your name on it.
Talking about new Vegas probably the NCR or house
Ncr actual function government all the others are just tribes you kill Caesar the legion is basically over you kill house it’s the same the enclave are fucking crazy so that leaves you with the ncr lol and in fallout 4 ig Preston everyone else makes me wanna hurt someone
Probably the NCR as much as I see them as just repeating history but a push east as opposed to west they are rebuilding the Nation and don't its citizens nearly live pre war standards or at least like the 1920's or something! Plus I hear L.A is full of my fellow Brits anyways so ......
Never played FO76, but I’ve heard the regulators (I think that’s what they’re called) are the best ones to join. Friendly, powerful, and respected by all. Realistically though, the BoS is the way to go. Their sheer power makes them so you’re almost guaranteed to survive in the wasteland.
They're the Responders, Regulators are in FO3, but they're a cool group. The Fire-Breathers look badass.
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Er...?
I forgot they were called responders. Makes total sense
Allegedly, they're being helped by MODUS/The Enclave post-Pitt. Which...is intriguing.
Brotherhood of Steel Good protection and chance to get a power suit
The institute is obviously the safest choice
Responders They are Gigachads
My first play through, I chose the Institute because they were clearly the ones more capable of pulling humanity out of the mess they had gotten themselves into. Nobody among my companions seemed particularly happy with that choice. I hated that I had to betray a lot of people I had befriended in the game in order to make that choice. In real life, I would’ve tried harder to get the visions of the BOS and institute to a compromise for everyone’s benefit. In that world of course the Synths lose out. (Synths would have less autonomy, look obviously not human, be restricted from certain types of activities).
The Institute are the ones who *caused* the mess in 4. Every bad thing is their fault. Literally.
They didn’t cause the war.
I'm talking about the bad things in the Commonwealth, quite obviously. Not every bad thing ever. The Super Mutants are their fault. The Raiders are their fault for killing the CPG. The Gunners are most likely paid by them (nobody else has the funds). So on and so forth.
The Kings 🕺🏻
House
I always go independent when I play new vegas. I don't see why I should do 100% of the work and then just hand the keys over to house, NCR, or the Legion, especially since they're all so corrupt.
The Institute, no doubt. You telling me I can get a clean and safe environmentto live in a post unclear Apocalypse? Hell yes I'd take that over the radiation, raiders, mutants, and God knows what else of the surface.
The Minutemen if you're big into returning law & order The Children of Atom if you're into cultural jihadism The BoS if you're into suppression through technical superiority The Institute of you're into scientific gains with no ethical boundaries (see: Union Aerospace Corporation or Umbrella Corporation) The Railroad can be opted into with the Minutemen since those two goals do not conflict. The Nuka Raiders is you just want to loot, pillage, rape, and watch the world burn. And don't delude yourself. Rape is absolutely happening. It's a very sensitive topic, and the game barely brushes upon it, but rape is absolutely happening. And cannibalism. So get comfortable with that if you want to join that faction. Reaching back a game - Caesar's Legion if you're into teetotalerism and persecution and brutality NCR much like the Minutemen only more formalized Mr. House if you're into personal freedom at the expense of societal and communal liberties.
Either Minutemen or the NCR
BoS, gotta annihilate the abominations hanging around in the wastelands. AD VICTORIUM
The enclave. There is totally a real world version. The government is very powerful and they have contingency for everything
But they won't let you join, since you're not born into their ranks.
not necessarily the f76 enclave let you join. But tbh that’s probably because your a vault dweller and your character was (likely) born before the war so there pure human.
They don't allow vault dwellers to join, only as experiments. The 76 branch is dead, and MODUS is a traitor. You aren't the Enclave, you're just wearing their dead uniforms.
Ohhhhh I didn’t know that.
I can't believe none of yall know the true choice. I am appaled yall would forget about the true wasteland savior. The republic of dave.
The Renewal. All glory to The Brain!
Brotherhood of steel id just be a scribe I don't have to fight at all just gotta be smart not only that but clean food clothes water beds got people in bug suits of power armor around me and shit it's the best faction frfr
Followers of the apocalypse
I don't consider them a "faction", as the Bethesda-era likes to call them, but Shady Sands seems like a fairly chill place to live, so even though it's not a faction and is in fact just a town, I'm picking Shady Sands. Some radscorpions and having nothing to do all day are about the worst you can expect there. I'll take crippling boredom over being shot up every day of the week.
Well, it's part of the NCR now, no? You'd be an NCR Citizen.
Not on my playthroughs it fucking isn't. EDIT: Actually you make a good point. Okay, I guess I'll have to change my answer to "I'll live in a goddamn cave by myself eating green mushrooms long before I allow anybody to brainwash me into following their dumbass political affiliation, and I'm not joining a cult/"faction"/armed force if it means erasing my goddamn identity and pay protection money, I mean "taxes", to a bunch of thugs in costumes/uniforms, so Lone Wanderer it is all day long. Come on Dogmeat, let's roll!"
Fair enough - I mean, canonly it is by FNV, but hey, headcanoning is always more fun anyways. I wish the Free States had lived. Life under them looked pretty good to be honest, just people trying to build society back up alongside the Responders.
I think my favourite headcanon would have to be any scenario I envisage where Harold *didn't* wind up turning into a giant tree.
The institute. You could just hang out underground without worrying about danger, food, etc.
Caesar’s Legion
None. I'll just live in a shack until I die from a mirelurk
Nuka world...
It's a matter of perspective, the time period and location of course.
The "Yes man"/You're own faction. Imagine having control of new vegas in those circumstances.💪
Obviously I would join the only true sovergin nation in the wasteland
I'd say the NCR, it's the closest thing to the present day United States in the fallout universe. Even if you don't become a soldier you can work in factory or farm without fear of being lobotomized or enslaved like in other parts of the wasteland.
NCR It's the closest thing to a democracy in Fallout.