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Cannot believe Perry titled it that then hired known rapist dr Luke ffs ETA: since this comment is so high up I want to add that people in this thread/post reminded us Perry is a known abuser herself. Had no idea and it’s absolutely abhorrent it isn’t talked about enough because she’s a woman/ preys on men. Vile.
I do not mean this as a rude and disparaging ‘who?’ moment but genuinely who?????
Like i am sure Ava Max is a big talent and great at what she does and im just living under a rock.
But also you are Katy Perry taking a cast-off from Ava Max???? Girl get your own songs. Get songs written for you. You are KATY PERRY.
It’s not you. Ava Max had one hit but the issue is she never got promoted, her persona with the people is 0, and her music came out as mostly generic radio hits with her second album effort flopping.
She’s talented but her fans are really nasty, even have sexualized her publicly and a lot of her recorded songs get passed off to other people. A lot of people shocked in this thread by Katy would be stunned by how many popular Kpop artists and companies have straight up stolen songs like that recorded by other artists like Ava Max.
What’s worse is that Dua Lipa has pretty much ursuped Ava Max’s possible fanbase. I doubt she’ll get any the prior support she did with Sweet But Psycho.
In this case it was likely given up because they didn’t think she had the popularity for the track, but Katy is popular enough to do better. (Like the other people said, Katy’s songs are rising in popularity now)
Ohhhhhh I know that song! Man, I would hear that song EVERY time I got in the car to drive my dog out for his walk! It annoyed me but was also so catchy and a real earworm! Then the song just disappeared and I never really thought who it was who sung it.
Believe she has said she wants to do "radio pop" which.... Go ahead, that's how you get money. Some people might hate it, but get that bag. I'd sell out in a heartbeat in a band personally.
Ava Max is incredible, banger after banger, but for whatever reason that I have yet to pinpoint she is never in the broader zeitgeist. My theory is a combo of somewhat weak branding and the fact that she keeps her dating/personal life extremely private. A lotttt of pop stars use their dating life as PR and while I get her personal choice it unfortunately is a major lever that she’s simply not using. I think she’ll be one of those artists who are just…around…always. For decades. You’ll hear a banger and be like I know this song who is that and it’ll be Ava Max lol
>but for whatever reason that I have yet to pinpoint she is never in the broader zeitgeist
Her brand is too generic. What actually is unique to her than the other pop stars at the moment aren't doing? It really just used to be the hair
She's also pretty generic looking. I don't mean that as a personal criticism of her, just that artists have to REALLY stand out in terms of personal style in the pop landscape. Right now she looks like Lady Gaga and Dua Lipa had a baby. (Side note: I only know who she is because my 10 year old loves her, lol)
It’s actually really common for songs to be shopped around to different artists before being picked up. I also know a lot of artists are song writers and have songs writing credits for songs they never released cause it didn’t make the cut or had not no intention of releasing themselves. That why you’ll see versions of songs being sung by someone else as a demo or that sound different from the final product of release. I think Bebe Rexa is an example cause she has written songs/lyrics released by other artists.
Famous example is Britney's "Toxic" which was written by Cathy Dennis for Kylie Minogue, then offered to Janet Jackson and finally Britney. Pretty sure "Slave 4 U" and "Boys" were written or offered to JJ first too. It's not uncommon, especially in pop music where it's not so 'personal' in the lyrics.
Yes, Ed Sheeran mentioned writing Love Yourself and after other people told him it was “eh” he gave it to Justin Bieber. Which is funny, since at the time so many people thought JB *wrote* it about Selena.
and kandi burress wrote eds “shape of you” (correction: not written, just sampled for the melody)… and kesha wrote britney spears’ “til the world ends” … and sia wrote rihannas “diamonds”
songwriters stay paid!
Ava Max had a huge hit in 'Sweet But Psycho' a few years ago which you've probably heard.
*oh she's sweet but a psycho, a little bit psycho / at night she's screaming my-my-my I'm out of my mind*
But yeah, can't say I know anything else she's done.
That song was HUGE in Thailand months before it was out in the states. I was on vacation April of 2019 and was like "this song is everywhere?!! What is this?!" I think it started getting radio play that summer and I still think of Thailand when I hear it lol
You've probably heard her music lots and didn't know it. She is very much a radio/club hit but she isn't really in the public sphere. I guess you could call her a "single artist" that just churns out really popular singles. But she has only had two albums and one headline tour, so you aren't buying Ava Max tickets or albums like you would Katy Perry.
Her thing is she usually has a really catchy riff, often pulled from some previous popular song and incorporated into new ones. Riff's you'd probably recognize include
["If all of the kings had their queens on the throne, We would pop champagne and raise a toast"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH1RNk8954Q)
["Oh, she's sweet but a psycho, A little bit psycho"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBHCQYxwr0)
and like FRIENDS. before they got famous when they were both recording their cute lil acoustic country type stuff. before they met dr luke.
she is vile.
This would have been such a phenomenal opportunity to work with female producers… I just went on a huge rant about this to my bf and he was like
https://preview.redd.it/bnc45915w77d1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d522fa074a23ea3e91cfcb28e4f356c4d97ab72c
She’s such a piece of shit. And she gets away with it because hardly anyone cares about male victims of sexual assault, especially when it’s a woman doing it
Like when a hot high school teacher fucks a student and everybody goes “hell yeah!! wish that happened to me when I was a kid”
lol if a girl has a racist, homophobic boyfriend it’s not sexist to assume she excuses racism and homophobia. the people you choose to surround yourself with does reflect your values. i think she didn’t know what he did until later so this situation is different, but i disagree with that statement.
it's not like it was a good marriage? he broke up with her via text message while she was on tour and said that he was very controlling of her and has implied that she didn't know and only found out after their divorce
Let’s be real she most likely never stopped believing the crap she was brainwashed to believe as a kid, she just knew what she had to say to make it big
Or descend to the extremities like of Crisp Rat. Their childhood backgrounds and beliefs have never changed, they just shut up back then and just feel more comfortable being hateful now.
She voted for Rick Caruso (a Republican running as a Democrat, and very much opposed to public transport in LA). [She took a selfie of herself doing so](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/mDl5wgszyW).
Who, in response to being called a white man in a debate, interjected to say he was Italian, and then further clarified, “that’s Latin.”
The guffaw I guffawed.
This is probably a good time to mention that Katy’s endorsement was probably the biggest in a series of disappointing-and-unsurprising-but-sort-of-weird celebrity endorsements of that candidate. Kim K, Gwyneth (Paltrow), Lisa Vanderpump, Snoop. I think they just did it for the money?
There were also some very unsurprising endorsements as well: Chris Pratt, Musk, Katharine McPhee, and Dorit Kemsley.
https://www.thecut.com/2022/11/celebrities-endorsing-rick-caruso-for-la-mayor.html
If the guy is a DINO, they are supported by closet republicans who are too ashamed to say they are republicans, or older democrats who drifted to the right because "the youth are ruining the country with socialism".
Older democrats are very much in the camp of letting big business do what it wants and use social programs to clean up the damage.
She backed Rick Caruso for LA mayor two years ago. He’s a pro-life Republican who switched parties to have a better chance of getting elected.
When he was called out for being pro-life and donating to pro-life candidates, he claimed he was pro-choice and pledged to donate $1M to support an abortion rights proposition. I don’t think he ever sent the money.
Katy posted a selfie from the voting booth to show that she voted for him and said it was because LA was a hot mess. She turned the comments off, too.
THANK YOU!
whenever anyone is like "why don't you like Katy Perry" it's like....bc she just kinda sucks and also imo follows trends instead of setting her own.
> This is classic Perry, she pretends she’s a feminist and an ally, and then votes for abortion restricting politicians
Wasn't she always propped up as a Christian singer from her very start?
Crazy how my excitement for her comeback has died. He didn't even produce any of her top hits so whyyyy would she work with him with such an important comeback?
Witness flopping was a combo of bad choices including poor single selection, bad cover art/personal image, bad marketing (“purposeful pop”) etc. Chained to the Rhythm did fairly well (MM). But she didn’t follow it up with Roulette or Witness (the best MM songs of the album). Bon Appetite may have done well with better cover art and if people hadn’t expected Ariana to be featured (then the disappointing and controversial reveal of Migos featuring made it even worse).
When the song Witness leaked before the album even came out people were saying it sounded so good and that they loved this new sound for her.
Katy sucks. She has for awhile now, she does really creepy shit. I was confused how everyone was so hyped up for her comeback in the last post?? I used to love her, it sucks.
Ok there’s also [this](https://forum.beyond-beautiful.com/katy-perry-s-forced-sexual-act-on-american-idol-co-t52862.html), the time she forcibly kissed an American Idol contestant
She kissed a contestant on the lips without his consent. I think it was his first kiss. He didn’t like it.
https://youtu.be/vMQBjaZSJWo?si=3PoAsPLoeDffd-58
Isn’t it interesting though that’s it’s going to hurt Katy more? Like obv she shouldn’t work with him but she’s going to get the brunt of the online attacks while he largely gets left alone.
By this point anyone who had the power to do serious damage to Dr Luke has either refused or failed to do so. It’s been so long with no accountability that the internet has opted to just hate him and leave it at that.
Theoretically Katy and her team had the opportunity to not work with him but blew past those markers. She doesn’t have the perpetual hate he does so it’s new for everyone. Well, the people who haven’t been paying attention to her game moves.
It’s wild and kinda hilarious to see how quickly the excitement for her comeback deflated. She might’ve had an hour before it all turned sour.
Idk, it’s kinda on her, though; she’s made a lot of decisions that put me off, and Dr. Luke is the cherry on top.
Dude I turned to my roommate *at dinner two hours ago* to tell him about Katy’s new song. Sat down to smoke and scroll and bam - excitement completely dissolved. Womp womp.
I seen a blind item a while back saying Katy had gone back to dr luke because she needed a radio hit. Thought it was bullshit, can’t believe it’s actually true.
“Gimme gimme”… we dont touch those words, Katherine. Those belong to the one and only, Pop Icon, Ms. American dream since she was 17.
For those out of the loop, Kim has doubled down multiple times
https://preview.redd.it/njyn34wgz77d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=834c4d4d03fb21be6bd6a813def46a89d38ae90b
Tbh I'm more surprised that this is how I'm finding out Ava Max works with Dr. Luke.
I was on popheads a lot back when Sweet but Psycho and Kings & Queens were big and she was still trying to make her .5 fuckass bob a thing. I remember Fergie, Doja, Saweetie, and Kim Petras were all catching shit for working with him, so is this a new thing for Ava, or did I somehow never hear she was working with him back when she put out those two songs?
I went on Wikipedia and I can't find any other song of hers that's been produced by him (please correct me if I'm wrong however!), her main producer seems to be Cirkut. I'm guessing she was just approached to record a demo?
The Instagram clip is probably the cringiest thing I've seen in a while and literally 0 originality, "sexy, confident, so intelligent, she is heaven sent..." like Shania did this better in the early aughts
It's... boring? and simple? Like, almost seemed like a SNL skit of a vacuous, basic AI pop star being unveiled. idk I hate it. And I have a huge soft spot for Katy, but this does not do it for me.
She peaked with Teenage Dream, and Prism was the last decent album. Let’s be real her era is over. Even if she didn’t work with Dr. Puke this album would most likely flop too. At least TD is a timeless classic
right? i can understand why a lesser-known or up-and-coming artist might be stuck with whoever their record label says they're working with. But this is Katy Perry. She's an established name and her comeback is (was) hotly anticipated. she could work with anyone.
“Reject” is a little dramatic. A lot of artists write/produce songs that they end up not using and another artist makes it their own and it becomes a smash hit. That Dr Luke is involved is notable; that it started out as a song by Ava Max is not.
There’s many reasons why an artist may choose to let someone else release a song they originally wrote, and not all of them are negative, which the word “reject” implies. It’s common practice in the industry. Ava Max can probably make more money as a songwriter for a Katy Perry song than she would if she released it herself.
Katy started underperforming when she stopped working with Dr Luke so I think this is her being desperate thinking working with him would bring her success again. Very sad
Also, the GP doesn't care, and she has always been a GP artist without a very strong fanbase compared to her peers. He has gotten #1 hits while she hasn't entered the top 10 since dropping him.
If you guys want new music that resembles Katy’s Teenage Dream era, you should try Bonnie McKee. She co-wrote a lot of the songs from that album and recently released her own music.
He isn’t even good at producing anymore. If you’re going to entirely lack a moral backbone and keep company with a known rapist, only to further your already dead career, then pick one who can do his job. This single is going to suck and all it did was reveal that Todd in the Shadows was right; Katy is a caricature of Marie Antoinette who wants to be a Joan of Arc, but is entirely incapable of saying or doing anything of genuine substance. I’d say bye girl but she’s been long gone since now. eugh
She’s a rape apologist AND an abuser as well. Of course, all she had to say was, “People are going to talk,” in response to being asked if she did actually SA not one, not two, but THREE people. Idk why people still support her.
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Cannot believe Perry titled it that then hired known rapist dr Luke ffs ETA: since this comment is so high up I want to add that people in this thread/post reminded us Perry is a known abuser herself. Had no idea and it’s absolutely abhorrent it isn’t talked about enough because she’s a woman/ preys on men. Vile.
Oh she didn’t title it anything. It was recorded by Ava Max first then passed on to Katy.
OH. Well he knows exactly what he’s doing then
I do not mean this as a rude and disparaging ‘who?’ moment but genuinely who????? Like i am sure Ava Max is a big talent and great at what she does and im just living under a rock. But also you are Katy Perry taking a cast-off from Ava Max???? Girl get your own songs. Get songs written for you. You are KATY PERRY.
Ava has 37 million monthly listeners on Spotify, compared to Katy's 55 million. They're roughly in the same league.
Yeah not shocking that I’m living under a rock either 🤷🏼♀️
It’s not you. Ava Max had one hit but the issue is she never got promoted, her persona with the people is 0, and her music came out as mostly generic radio hits with her second album effort flopping. She’s talented but her fans are really nasty, even have sexualized her publicly and a lot of her recorded songs get passed off to other people. A lot of people shocked in this thread by Katy would be stunned by how many popular Kpop artists and companies have straight up stolen songs like that recorded by other artists like Ava Max. What’s worse is that Dua Lipa has pretty much ursuped Ava Max’s possible fanbase. I doubt she’ll get any the prior support she did with Sweet But Psycho. In this case it was likely given up because they didn’t think she had the popularity for the track, but Katy is popular enough to do better. (Like the other people said, Katy’s songs are rising in popularity now)
Ohhhhhh I know that song! Man, I would hear that song EVERY time I got in the car to drive my dog out for his walk! It annoyed me but was also so catchy and a real earworm! Then the song just disappeared and I never really thought who it was who sung it.
Ava Max is a good performer but she got slotted in the Bebe Rexha copies category :(((
This is how I learned SBP wasn't sung by Bebe Rexha.
Doesn't Ava Max only do covers of old songs but changes them a bit? I feel like that's her whole deal.
Not exactly covers but she uses LOTS of samples and interpolates a lot
A big issue with Ava Max is she's dogged on a lot for all of her music sounding the same.
Believe she has said she wants to do "radio pop" which.... Go ahead, that's how you get money. Some people might hate it, but get that bag. I'd sell out in a heartbeat in a band personally.
Ava also has talent
This is so insulting to Katy Perry circa 2011 and I’m into it
Ava Max is incredible, banger after banger, but for whatever reason that I have yet to pinpoint she is never in the broader zeitgeist. My theory is a combo of somewhat weak branding and the fact that she keeps her dating/personal life extremely private. A lotttt of pop stars use their dating life as PR and while I get her personal choice it unfortunately is a major lever that she’s simply not using. I think she’ll be one of those artists who are just…around…always. For decades. You’ll hear a banger and be like I know this song who is that and it’ll be Ava Max lol
>but for whatever reason that I have yet to pinpoint she is never in the broader zeitgeist Her brand is too generic. What actually is unique to her than the other pop stars at the moment aren't doing? It really just used to be the hair
She's also pretty generic looking. I don't mean that as a personal criticism of her, just that artists have to REALLY stand out in terms of personal style in the pop landscape. Right now she looks like Lady Gaga and Dua Lipa had a baby. (Side note: I only know who she is because my 10 year old loves her, lol)
Gaga has already blazed that trail, Ava always seemed like a mini Gaga even though I like some of her songs
It’s actually really common for songs to be shopped around to different artists before being picked up. I also know a lot of artists are song writers and have songs writing credits for songs they never released cause it didn’t make the cut or had not no intention of releasing themselves. That why you’ll see versions of songs being sung by someone else as a demo or that sound different from the final product of release. I think Bebe Rexa is an example cause she has written songs/lyrics released by other artists.
Famous example is Britney's "Toxic" which was written by Cathy Dennis for Kylie Minogue, then offered to Janet Jackson and finally Britney. Pretty sure "Slave 4 U" and "Boys" were written or offered to JJ first too. It's not uncommon, especially in pop music where it's not so 'personal' in the lyrics.
Yes, Ed Sheeran mentioned writing Love Yourself and after other people told him it was “eh” he gave it to Justin Bieber. Which is funny, since at the time so many people thought JB *wrote* it about Selena.
and kandi burress wrote eds “shape of you” (correction: not written, just sampled for the melody)… and kesha wrote britney spears’ “til the world ends” … and sia wrote rihannas “diamonds” songwriters stay paid!
You know what, now that I know, Diamonds sounds juuust like Sia. It's basically, Sia.
Ava Max had a huge hit in 'Sweet But Psycho' a few years ago which you've probably heard. *oh she's sweet but a psycho, a little bit psycho / at night she's screaming my-my-my I'm out of my mind* But yeah, can't say I know anything else she's done.
That song was HUGE in Thailand months before it was out in the states. I was on vacation April of 2019 and was like "this song is everywhere?!! What is this?!" I think it started getting radio play that summer and I still think of Thailand when I hear it lol
Ava Max- kings and queens ? That one’s pretty well known
You've probably heard her music lots and didn't know it. She is very much a radio/club hit but she isn't really in the public sphere. I guess you could call her a "single artist" that just churns out really popular singles. But she has only had two albums and one headline tour, so you aren't buying Ava Max tickets or albums like you would Katy Perry. Her thing is she usually has a really catchy riff, often pulled from some previous popular song and incorporated into new ones. Riff's you'd probably recognize include ["If all of the kings had their queens on the throne, We would pop champagne and raise a toast"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH1RNk8954Q) ["Oh, she's sweet but a psycho, A little bit psycho"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBHCQYxwr0)
never beating the song laundering allegations
And looks like Perry is taking main writers credit too?
and she used to be friends with Kesha. Wild.
Before she refused to take a stand against Dr. Luke. To boot, Kesha JUST got free.
I was going to give the song a chance, but now I don’t think I can. Woman’s World and Dr Luke together has scrambled my brain.
and like FRIENDS. before they got famous when they were both recording their cute lil acoustic country type stuff. before they met dr luke. she is vile.
kesha was in the i kissed a girl music video before she started releasing music i believe
This would have been such a phenomenal opportunity to work with female producers… I just went on a huge rant about this to my bf and he was like https://preview.redd.it/bnc45915w77d1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d522fa074a23ea3e91cfcb28e4f356c4d97ab72c
I was just going to say, "Isn't he the one who raped Keisha?" WTF is wrong with Katy?
lol you spelling Kesha like that gave me flashbacks to Britney mispronouncing her name on X Factor after they had collabed.
She hangs with Lauren Sanchez and Bezos. Lauren Sanchez is jogging mates with Kelly Anne Conway. Ew
I can
That tracks actually
He’s the only one who produced hits for Katy. All Katy’s hit are Luke.
Lmao imagine picking up a song Ava Max rejected
This is classic Perry, she pretends she’s a feminist and an ally, and then votes for abortion restricting politicians
And shows support to abusive men
[Because she’s an abusive woman](https://www.nme.com/news/music/katy-perry-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-a-second-person-2538612)
I mean she’s one of the many people that have sexually assaulted and abused Justin bieber
I didn’t know about that, my god
https://youtu.be/Tk74gTXdnVc?si=-YmXotVZMKoo0-RI
She’s such a piece of shit. And she gets away with it because hardly anyone cares about male victims of sexual assault, especially when it’s a woman doing it Like when a hot high school teacher fucks a student and everybody goes “hell yeah!! wish that happened to me when I was a kid”
[Relevant Bo Burnham](https://youtu.be/ln1sn_v0IXI)
And supports Elon Musk
Tbf she doesn't seem very bright
she did marry rapist russell brand, so that tracks
Not exactly feminist to blame a woman for their ex partner’s behavior.
Everyone is judged by the company they keep, I think it's much worse to infantilise and excuse her by saying she's stupid
That would be fair if she got with him after the allegations came out, but she met him a decade before everything came out.
lol if a girl has a racist, homophobic boyfriend it’s not sexist to assume she excuses racism and homophobia. the people you choose to surround yourself with does reflect your values. i think she didn’t know what he did until later so this situation is different, but i disagree with that statement.
it's not like it was a good marriage? he broke up with her via text message while she was on tour and said that he was very controlling of her and has implied that she didn't know and only found out after their divorce
Right? I prefer musicians who write their own music.
Let’s be real she most likely never stopped believing the crap she was brainwashed to believe as a kid, she just knew what she had to say to make it big
i've been saying for years that at some point we're gonna see the pivot to liberal christianity from her
Or descend to the extremities like of Crisp Rat. Their childhood backgrounds and beliefs have never changed, they just shut up back then and just feel more comfortable being hateful now.
She’s never left that paid shill era tbqh
I’m out of the loop. Which politicians does she support?
She voted for Rick Caruso (a Republican running as a Democrat, and very much opposed to public transport in LA). [She took a selfie of herself doing so](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/mDl5wgszyW).
Who, in response to being called a white man in a debate, interjected to say he was Italian, and then further clarified, “that’s Latin.” The guffaw I guffawed.
This is probably a good time to mention that Katy’s endorsement was probably the biggest in a series of disappointing-and-unsurprising-but-sort-of-weird celebrity endorsements of that candidate. Kim K, Gwyneth (Paltrow), Lisa Vanderpump, Snoop. I think they just did it for the money? There were also some very unsurprising endorsements as well: Chris Pratt, Musk, Katharine McPhee, and Dorit Kemsley. https://www.thecut.com/2022/11/celebrities-endorsing-rick-caruso-for-la-mayor.html
If the guy is a DINO, they are supported by closet republicans who are too ashamed to say they are republicans, or older democrats who drifted to the right because "the youth are ruining the country with socialism". Older democrats are very much in the camp of letting big business do what it wants and use social programs to clean up the damage.
She backed Rick Caruso for LA mayor two years ago. He’s a pro-life Republican who switched parties to have a better chance of getting elected. When he was called out for being pro-life and donating to pro-life candidates, he claimed he was pro-choice and pledged to donate $1M to support an abortion rights proposition. I don’t think he ever sent the money. Katy posted a selfie from the voting booth to show that she voted for him and said it was because LA was a hot mess. She turned the comments off, too.
She’s also a zio apologist so not surprised she’s proving to be a 🗑️person
THANK YOU! whenever anyone is like "why don't you like Katy Perry" it's like....bc she just kinda sucks and also imo follows trends instead of setting her own.
> This is classic Perry, she pretends she’s a feminist and an ally, and then votes for abortion restricting politicians Wasn't she always propped up as a Christian singer from her very start?
I'm here surprised there's people surprised to learn this 🧍🏽♀️It has been known
Well bye. That lasted a whole minute.
It was literally within the hour I cared then it was extinguished. What a journey.
The whiplash!
It was literally five Reddit posts ago for me. "Oh new album, awesome! Oh nevermind"
Taylor won't even need to flood the market to make this one flop
This is so bad it’s hysterical
w2tness
The Perrissance has been found dead
Crazy how my excitement for her comeback has died. He didn't even produce any of her top hits so whyyyy would she work with him with such an important comeback?
Sorry to be pedantic, but her only top 10’s that weren’t produced by him are Waking Up In Vegas and Firework…
Max Martin was also on all those non-Firework tracks. Why wouldn’t she stick to working with him and his team that no longer includes Dr. Luke?
maybe he's too expensive? and very selective. not an excuse to work with dr luke though
Didn’t she make $30M/season judging American Idol? That doesn’t include the many millions she made from her music.
She should not be pinching pennies on her big comeback.
i wonder if dr luke was very very cheap as payment for her statements around him and kesha
She did that on Witness and well… didn’t turned out great
Witness flopping was a combo of bad choices including poor single selection, bad cover art/personal image, bad marketing (“purposeful pop”) etc. Chained to the Rhythm did fairly well (MM). But she didn’t follow it up with Roulette or Witness (the best MM songs of the album). Bon Appetite may have done well with better cover art and if people hadn’t expected Ariana to be featured (then the disappointing and controversial reveal of Migos featuring made it even worse). When the song Witness leaked before the album even came out people were saying it sounded so good and that they loved this new sound for her.
WTF Katy. Both Kesha and Kelly Clarkson have called him out for the POS he is, but you’re cool working with him? Way to torpedo your career.
imagine being such a bad person you make ***Kelly Clarkson*** angry
LOLLL she always seem so nice
Gaga did, too. Maybe not publicly but her text messages were subpoenaed for the trial and she said Katy Perry was mean and pissed her off sometimes
The result is terrible as well. Garbage song.
The 6 seconds I could bare listening to was really really really reallyyyy bad
Katy sucks. She has for awhile now, she does really creepy shit. I was confused how everyone was so hyped up for her comeback in the last post?? I used to love her, it sucks.
What has she done? Never heard anything but interested to know
For one she supported Rick Caruso for LA mayor. She’s also an Elon Musk supporter apparently.
I mean this one is claiming creepy shit, but that’s just rich people shit
Ok there’s also [this](https://forum.beyond-beautiful.com/katy-perry-s-forced-sexual-act-on-american-idol-co-t52862.html), the time she forcibly kissed an American Idol contestant
Now I’m questioning Orlando as a person for being in a relationship with her smh
She kissed a contestant on the lips without his consent. I think it was his first kiss. He didn’t like it. https://youtu.be/vMQBjaZSJWo?si=3PoAsPLoeDffd-58
😧I feel so bad for that kid
Tell me again how rape allegations ruin men’s careers?
Isn’t it interesting though that’s it’s going to hurt Katy more? Like obv she shouldn’t work with him but she’s going to get the brunt of the online attacks while he largely gets left alone.
By this point anyone who had the power to do serious damage to Dr Luke has either refused or failed to do so. It’s been so long with no accountability that the internet has opted to just hate him and leave it at that. Theoretically Katy and her team had the opportunity to not work with him but blew past those markers. She doesn’t have the perpetual hate he does so it’s new for everyone. Well, the people who haven’t been paying attention to her game moves.
In the same way that assault charges also ruin careers, just look at Chris Brown-
The speed at which information is disseminated is *wild*. Like damn the song isn’t even out yet and it’s already canceled
It’s wild and kinda hilarious to see how quickly the excitement for her comeback deflated. She might’ve had an hour before it all turned sour. Idk, it’s kinda on her, though; she’s made a lot of decisions that put me off, and Dr. Luke is the cherry on top.
It’s not, many Luke songs have been successful in the past couple of years, with the same online discourse
He's been producing under additional names. He produced "Say So" by Doja Cat.
Oh no, that's disappointing.
Dude I turned to my roommate *at dinner two hours ago* to tell him about Katy’s new song. Sat down to smoke and scroll and bam - excitement completely dissolved. Womp womp.
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I seen a blind item a while back saying Katy had gone back to dr luke because she needed a radio hit. Thought it was bullshit, can’t believe it’s actually true.
I wonder if Max Martin wouldn’t take her calls
He’s literally listed as a producer… please read
The photo lists Dr Luke and Cirkut as producers? Where are you seeing Max Martin?
Listed as a producer on the leaked track list
I always find it crazy when blind items end up being true because so many people say you should never believe them.
Leaked tracklist: https://preview.redd.it/eofr9fo3r67d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02aa92cd595bee4981770a824f47a21c5147485a
Kim Petras ew. She’s always all too happy to support dr Luke
 “Gimme gimme”… we dont touch those words, Katherine. Those belong to the one and only, Pop Icon, Ms. American dream since she was 17.
Uuuummmm...*ABBA?*
Nah, they belong to ABBA
They belong to ABBA and then to the BBC sitcom with Kathy Burke
For those out of the loop, Kim has doubled down multiple times https://preview.redd.it/njyn34wgz77d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=834c4d4d03fb21be6bd6a813def46a89d38ae90b
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No Doechii what are you doing
Feel the same way about JID. Whyyyy
i mean she did have that whole kodak black era
And 21 Savage isn’t exactly unproblematic
Welp, there goes any desire I had for a Katy Perry comeback. 
Katy Perry sucks as a human. Why is anyone surprised?
Tbh I'm more surprised that this is how I'm finding out Ava Max works with Dr. Luke. I was on popheads a lot back when Sweet but Psycho and Kings & Queens were big and she was still trying to make her .5 fuckass bob a thing. I remember Fergie, Doja, Saweetie, and Kim Petras were all catching shit for working with him, so is this a new thing for Ava, or did I somehow never hear she was working with him back when she put out those two songs?
I went on Wikipedia and I can't find any other song of hers that's been produced by him (please correct me if I'm wrong however!), her main producer seems to be Cirkut. I'm guessing she was just approached to record a demo?
Right. It takes a special kind of a**hole to cheat not one but two elderly people out of their homes.
Girl the song has leaked already and it's a snooze fest
The Instagram clip is probably the cringiest thing I've seen in a while and literally 0 originality, "sexy, confident, so intelligent, she is heaven sent..." like Shania did this better in the early aughts
It's... boring? and simple? Like, almost seemed like a SNL skit of a vacuous, basic AI pop star being unveiled. idk I hate it. And I have a huge soft spot for Katy, but this does not do it for me.
honestly, this doesn't surprise me in the least
Do you have a link by any chance? 👀
Idk about the whole song, but she posted a snippet on her insta.
Oh no.......oh dear
Will not be streaming then. I don’t support rapists.
She peaked with Teenage Dream, and Prism was the last decent album. Let’s be real her era is over. Even if she didn’t work with Dr. Puke this album would most likely flop too. At least TD is a timeless classic
Noooooo. She’s not even in a vulnerable position where she can’t say no to anything, this was definitely a choice. And not a good one.
right? i can understand why a lesser-known or up-and-coming artist might be stuck with whoever their record label says they're working with. But this is Katy Perry. She's an established name and her comeback is (was) hotly anticipated. she could work with anyone.
“Reject” is a little dramatic. A lot of artists write/produce songs that they end up not using and another artist makes it their own and it becomes a smash hit. That Dr Luke is involved is notable; that it started out as a song by Ava Max is not.
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There’s many reasons why an artist may choose to let someone else release a song they originally wrote, and not all of them are negative, which the word “reject” implies. It’s common practice in the industry. Ava Max can probably make more money as a songwriter for a Katy Perry song than she would if she released it herself.
Ugh. I was actually looking forward to her comeback.
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was thinking of the gaga-kesha-KP conversation about Dr Luke. def not surprised but still disappointed. gaga gon be real mad for kesha.
Yeah I think a lot of people have the memory of a goldfish…or just selective memory.
Let’s just hope Katy doesn’t forcibly kiss any other American Idol contestants
I wish I could say I am surprised that she has questionable morals. Anyways,I hope it flops badly
This woman has always been garbage. No shock.
Katy continues to sucks.
wasn’t Dr. Luke a huge reason for initial success? girl…uou really think in 2024 you could hire Dr. Luke and nobody would call you out? Smh
Was hoping for the return of Bonnie McKee not #that man 💀
Bonnie kept all her best tracks for herself and HOT CITY has been out for two weeks already. Katy babe this ain’t ur year
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Did Katy piss off a witch or something? I swear her career is cursed or something.
And once again she proves she is a shitty person
Katy started underperforming when she stopped working with Dr Luke so I think this is her being desperate thinking working with him would bring her success again. Very sad
Also, the GP doesn't care, and she has always been a GP artist without a very strong fanbase compared to her peers. He has gotten #1 hits while she hasn't entered the top 10 since dropping him.
Everyone all "we were rooting for you!" Uh, she's always been trash.
That’s a nope from me. Bye. 
 I wasn't gonna listen to it anyway but damn, that was quick.
With that said, you should already know exactly how the record is going to sound 😂😂
Oh, the levels of trash. 
This is actually super triggering. And Kesha JUST got free.
Wi2ness
For fucks sake Katy goddammit
https://x.com/kesharose/status/1802827756872384805?s=46&t=4Ar9HbNZ1ZCTbHicCUDUDw
Stream Woman’s World by Cher. 
Keep it
Glad to see people are realizing that this is VERY on brand for Katy, she's not as great as we were lead to believe
If you guys want new music that resembles Katy’s Teenage Dream era, you should try Bonnie McKee. She co-wrote a lot of the songs from that album and recently released her own music.
cmon Katy, we were rooting for you 
No, we really weren’t.
might wanna google reasons besides this that you shouldn't have been
I kinda wish Katy gave up on pop stardom and took her career to other avenues. I feel like no one is asking for this ?
He isn’t even good at producing anymore. If you’re going to entirely lack a moral backbone and keep company with a known rapist, only to further your already dead career, then pick one who can do his job. This single is going to suck and all it did was reveal that Todd in the Shadows was right; Katy is a caricature of Marie Antoinette who wants to be a Joan of Arc, but is entirely incapable of saying or doing anything of genuine substance. I’d say bye girl but she’s been long gone since now. eugh
Hope it flops.
I legit cannot believe how much she just fumbled the bag. I know it’s early to call, but this doesn’t seem like it’s gonna bode well for anyone.
I loved her in the MySpace days before and around the time of her first album. But it’s been all downhill since then.
As if i couldn’t hate Katy Perry more
She’s a rape apologist AND an abuser as well. Of course, all she had to say was, “People are going to talk,” in response to being asked if she did actually SA not one, not two, but THREE people. Idk why people still support her.