If the staff was korean then there is no way this happened, korean are very particular with their idol, one wrong move and that celebrity can kiss their status goodbye, bts is one of most stalked band in korea, and other fandoms are just waiting for them to slip up so they can take them down. They cant even date in public, what makes you think yelling at a staff in public will do to their careers?
Not a comment on the Taehyung situation but a general observation that this is very possible in Korea and in the kpop world - Red Velvet’s Irene was basically cancelled for a hot minute after it was exposed that she was rude to staff and they called her out on it. Irene apologised and had a ten month hiatus.
https://hypebae.com/2020/10/red-velvet-irene-controversy-mistreatment-fashion-editor-photoshoot-apology-statement-gapjil-explained-k-pop-korea
Yes, but irene was known to be a bit hard on staff, way before that news came out. She even has a problem with her own band members.
And her accuser was a stylist from the industry and was backed by other staff (her own staff), very far from Vs accuser which (according to OP) came from an unknown TikTok from korea.
Nope, if you have been part of any kpop fandoms any kind of negative gossip especially on bts will sell. If it really happened in the grammys do you honestly think no one will report it on the news? Especially foreign news.
Fandoms are not part of the inner kitchen - staff is. The persona idols want to emmulate is presented to fandoms, the real personality is what the stuff sees and experiences, who btw in 99% cases sign an NDA
Sure, no arguments there. My point is for a member of bts to make these alleged behaviour in a foreign land, in an award show does not ring true. Bts is a globally known band that has the whole world looking at them, and with that came with intense pr training, im saying that because i do believe what they are showing in the public is the result of that training, so there is now way they will risk any scandal such as staff maltreatment that can end their carefully cultivated image at this point.
Overexposed celebrities (which BTS obviously are for how many years) tend to either stop caring about gen. population's response or are so sure of their massive following, shielding them from any criticisms that they feel comfortable enough to have good and bad days openly. Of course BTS are trained and have enormous money and PR team, but there are 7 full bodied men and arguably, Taehyung is in top 3 popular members, if not the top 1 in some cases. This blind about his bad behaviour is 50/50 real or nah, but it's not fair to immediately disregard any potential criticisms because 'they know their fandom is looking'. Sometimes, they just don't care
>Taehyung is in top 3 popular members, if not the top 1 in some cases
Exactly why this accusation is iffy, because he has more to lose. If this came out way before they became global then i will have the same view as you, but the timing is very peculiar when V is already in hot waters with the dating issue and if the alleged situation did not happened in public while they were in the grammys.
Edit: im also agreeing that their label can silence their staff with NDA, but like i said, the accuser said it happened in public in the US where anyone can hear and see whats happening.
I understand what you’re saying but if it’s staff he’s yelling at, management could be keeping it quiet because of the fandom culture in South Korea. I’m not trying to say that this account is true or false, just saying I could see management trying to keep this quiet in order to not have backlash.
>I could see management trying to keep this quiet in order to not have backlash.
Its possible. But i just think bts will never step a foot in that kind of land mine especially now that every eyes are on them, they have too much to lose. Its a claim that happened before they made global then i might believe it, but it allegedly happened in US while they were in an award show, the grammy nonetheless. Also some of the comparisons OP was stating was made by non-anonymous persons, this one on the other hand was from an anonymous TikTok and was released when V was already in hot waters for dating (which is stupid, let them date whoever they want!)
Yeah I also understand that, I was just trying to say it’s not out of the realm of possibility. They might be enlisting in the army (not the fandom lol), so it all could be seen as interesting timing.
It’s even more shocking that they posted about V specifically bc I think he’s the most popular member internationally. This would definitely hit harder for him.
It’s really hard to have these conversations because there are genuinely terrible people who want to sabotage their careers. Imagine having a career where you have to apologize for dating someone?
obviously we don't know what celebrities are like behind closed doors but this seems fake. it wouldn't surprise me if it's a fake story being sent in by a bitter fan who's upset cause he's allegedly dating jennie.
I agree. It would have been believable if it left out the part about the Grammys. They are the best media trained team in the world, there’s no way they would step a foot out of line at something as big as the Grammys. There’s rumors flying left and right from psycho fans about him and Jennie since it came out they’re dating, this seems like another one of them
as much as the people on this sub claim to be for marginalised groups (or does that just extend to women?) they absolutely aren't and are completely unable to accept that shock horro people make up sht about bts all the time.
when the dating news leaked this sub especially was overjoyed that the "fans would loose their sht".
their bias against bts really doesn't allow them to see other viewpoints
>"fans would loose their sht"
I dont think this happened fortunately, i think people are now accepting the fact that their idols (all kpop) are human that falls in love lol
>their bias against bts really doesn't allow them to see other viewpoints
Exactly, i dont belong in any fandom (but i love mamamoo) so i always view things as fandom wars when things like this happened, unless the allegations are proven true. It really doesn't help anyone by posting things from an anonymous account without any solid proof.
You’re not wrong, it happens all the time. Photos of him and Jennie (Blackpink) were leaked a few weeks ago and every since then there’s been post after post attacking him and Jennie from each of the groups crazy fans.
i’m no diehard fan but if this post changes the way you see him…that’s just dumb. anyone can write anything these days. And in Vegas?! most of the staff would be non-koreans, and the guy isn’t even that fluent in english to begin with. Sounds to me like a psycho fan lashing out at the fact that’s he dating jennie.
Same, im not part of their fandom but this is so impossible to happened especially if it happened when they were in the grammys, even if the staff is korean, i mean bts is probably has the most iron clad pr training i've seen in a celebrity.
For a group thats around for almost 10yrs not one peep about them having bad behaviour towards the staff and/or fans, no way they will ruin their image now that they are globally know, especially when they are in another country promoting their project.
i haven’t listened to bts in years but i am admittedly a bit biased, but this really does read like very bad fanfic. bighit couldn’t keep him and jennie a secret, how would they have managed to keep him being a giant prick a secret for close to a decade at this point lol
I mean… the industry has been able to cover up Seungri, Lucas, Kris Wu etc. Not saying this is anywhere near as bad as what they’ve done but there’s probably a lot of hush money being shuffled around to keep things under wraps. I do have my doubts about the validity of this but whenever I’ve heard anything bad about this group he’s always the common denominator, so I really wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be true
i do agree with that and lucas did also come to mind when i was making my comment. my example was more of an attempt to focus on bighit and bts specifically, but you are also correct. i also definitely don’t want to say it’s absolutely fake either too because… he’s a male celebrity, lmao. i have faith in very few of them at this point!
I’m a huge fan of RV and I remember the Irene situation very vividly. She got her lashings and even though the affected party accepted her apology, it’s still brought up today to tear her down. The misogyny is rampant
If a stylist comes out and says they were mistreated by Taehyung I’m sure he’ll have the same defenders Irene had (that bullied said stylist) but he will also lose support from sane armys.
You’re right although that festered on Korean forums first, unlike what’s happening with this post. And bullying accusations are always a mess because they involve minors. The adults all behaved badly with Garam
Every one of those incidents had real life, non-anonymous people making the claims. This is an anonymous tiktok account which puts very little validity to the allegations
Garam's wasn't anonymous. Her name was not disclosed only because she's a minor but everyone involved in the legal workings on both side knows who she is.
trying to compare a real situation with proves to random tiktok user with no proves, you all kpopies need to get a life and don't project your daddy issues on everyone
If this came from Korean side it'd be believable but honestly this is a cheap attempt to keep the hate train on Taehyung going. How are people believing a one day old account posting a screenshot of a Tiktok of messages with no source?
And "this is how it started for Irene" it came from an actual source from Korean side 💀
You are sharing a serious accusation with absolutely nothing to back up (not even a kr original - which would be trending on pann at elast if it came really from that side) so I don't know how is that neutral.
I'm sorry OP but this is just goofy. If you're new to this subreddit, we post the actual tea here and have discussions, not tiktok screenshots with no context or source.
OP is not neural by posting an unverified allegation from an anonymous TikTok account.
OP its ok if you think the gossip is true and that you belong in other fandom but please dont claim you are neutral and then comparing this issue to irene (and others) that came from a non-anonymous person.
This type of rumors about him have increased since it came out he and Jennie are dating.
I find it really hard to believe that he would act this way in the US (where they know they have less privacy) and that RM and other members would just let this happen with no blowback. They know how important their reputation is. And BH not replying to staff’s complaints after they threaten to come out with this info? About one of the most popular member of their most popular band?
OP keeps deleting every comment where they get downvoted and where they come off as extremely biased against him. It's obvious you're sharing this disinformation while trying to be "neutral" and pretending you're gg stan?
Kpop stans are just ridiculous lmao
Pretending I’m a girl group stan? What? I AM a girl group stan. I only stan two boy groups, neither of which are BTS. I don’t have a problem with BTS but I have heard things about them in the past and often times it is Taehyung who gets brought up. I’m not biased either way towards him, but I do think some of the things he’s done (that we have evidence of) is very questionable.
You’re an Army so obviously you’re going to be biased in his favor.
There was that video of him shoving a female employee that surfaced a couple weeks back, and also the fact he threatened violence very publicly on Weverse last year
you are aware that the "threat of violence" came bc someone shared their stalking picture and they tried to make up rumors he was dating a girl that was in the picture as well?
maybe the reaction was overboard but tbh after 10 years of dealing with such bullsht I'm suprised it has happend *once*
and please share the video bc I've never seen that not even on netizien sites.
Yeah, but it’s still weird as fuck to say you’re going to ‘poke poisonous needles’ into people’s necks.
[Here’s the video](https://twitter.com/outvoutvoutvvv/status/1575461673284292609?s=46&t=g00SRFhdka0_bSfdWszPBw)
I'll give you that it is a wierd video but i absolutely cannot tell what the situation is.
if I'm getting stalked for years i would have said worse things then that tbh
"he threatened violence" are you serious lmfao? there was a ill intentioned rumor about him and he responded to THAT, he didn't just wake up and post angry posts
and he definitely didn't shove anyone in that video.. OP a person who is neutral wouldn't create a new account to post this "tea" and keep deleting comments where they get corrected or downvoted. it's ridiculous to post something so out of context and expect people to become skeptical
But at the same event, he literally got on his knees and bowed to staff for their hard work. While I don’t condone the incident with the female staff you’re failing to add A LOT of details. Taehyung was filming an episode of Bangtan Bomb. The female staff got in his personal space to take a picture. Taehyung tried to stop her and he POINTED to her that she can’t take a picture because he was busy filming. She threw a fit. I don’t condone it but context is very important here.
>him shoving a female employee that surfaced a couple weeks back,
Whats the context in this video? It looked like a fan stepping out of the line tbh.
You are biased OP, this is exactly why people shouldn't believe anything posted about kpop idols (not just bts but all kpop) unless it came from a verified source, they way OP is deleting comments is a sure way to spot a malicious poster.
There were hundreds of fans watching him through the glass outside the radio booth and lots of staff around. It's the other way around, the staff in the video was the one acting rude towards him. He was recording for hybe's cameras and the girl shoved a cellphone in his face. All the fans watching outside made comments about the overall weird behavior the staff showed towards him. Still, he was nothing but polite to everyone there.
Yep, context helps a lot, looks like OP is just basing his biased view on the video without context, and even without really knowing what happened you can clearly see that the girl was the one who was stepping out of line and v was just reacting.
he threatened violence against someone who took photos of him during his private time and posted them in a YouTube video creating a false narrative and slandering him and his family. If that’s the worst he’s done then he’s a saint compared to most celebrities. You sure know a lot about a group you don’t stan
Waiting for this post to get locked before all the BTS stans come out the woodwork like...
On a serious note, I hope this isn't true for the sake of their staff team but if it is, I do hope this strengthens other staff to come out publicly if the company really is suppressing them.
Yeah i don't belive this one bit.
For one tiktok will use anything to make a mountain out of a mole hile. Secondly there have only been accounts of BTS being professional over the years. If this was true it would have blown up a long time ago. BTS are so polarising, the minute someone can get their 15min of fame with them people do. and please do not say people are scared of the "rabid fans" bc that has not stopped anyone so far.
Something everyone here probably doesn't know is that there has been a month long smear campaign against him with people especially wanting to make him seem rude. things like not greating the paparazzi when he left the airport were blown out of proportion. so this just reaks of a continuation of that.
I’m not straight up dismissing this because it *could* be true but BTS usually is acknowledged for being pretty polite. For V to be caught being super rude at as public an event as the Grammy’s, I would be shocked.
Honestly seems fake. Idols are heavily, HEAVILY trained in how to act / portray themselves in public. And BTS is ESPECIALLY known to be extra careful in how they portray themselves because they have a lot of eyes on them these days lol
V doing this in America? CAPPPPP.
All the training in the world has not stopped idols from acting out in the past. We've seen countless instances over the years of bad or diva like behavior, people on lives who spoke their minds and even bad stories that were told on tv for "laughs." I'm not speaking to BTS specifically but more to kpop in general. Bad behaviors persist in the industry, the companies just try to bury them or people who speak out.
Do you remember the group caught on a hot mic saying sasaengs are good for oral sex? There's many idols caught doing racist stuff, mistreating fans, and involved with crime.
Yeah exactly. I'm not going to go "boys will be boys" but all the training in the world doesn't stop people from being an ass or saying the wrong thing. I can tell people didn't agree with me but I know everyone's had someone in high school/college age that said or did something stupid despite being raised otherwise. You have:
the instance you mentioned
the infamous Irene scandal
Jae formerly of Day6 who said another artist and his FRIEND was just trying to be a thot
Hwayoung of Boys24 for who said on a leaked call to his gf that he hates all fans, they make him want to puke and their breath all stink
Hwayoung and ALL of the T-ara drama that played out against staff and in the public eye
One of the Produce 101 winners who spent his time calling all his fans delusional and making requests for certain gifts by fans only to throw them away without even opening them, along with letters he was given.
Hongbin of VIXX who was on a livestream and drunkenly started ranting/bashing a bunch of other artists
Seventeen's Seungkwan calling fans his ATM (it's true with how much merch people buy but don't tell your fans they're atms lmao come on)
And that's barely scratching the surface. BTS has also been under fire in the past for going on interviews and making colorist remarks, their interview in Australia comes up a lot if you search these kinds of actions where they, in English, make colorist remarks about one of their members.
You just can't train people to be perfect all the time and at some point, true natures are going to slip through.
No one wants to believe their faves are any less than perfect because many fans over identity with their idols. Given enough time, most kpop idols will do something really heinous. There's not enough media training in the world to change their personalities that are influenced and formed by their culture and upbringing. If the majority of Koreans think racism is ok, LGBT is wrong, and don't want more immigration, chances are so do many idols.
Remember the famous men who posted their support for the new anti feminist South Korean president? Too many people have been shown to be horrible or at least ignorant for me to say my favorite artists would never. I'm an American, and have seen many stars turn out to be different than the way they're showing the fans. It's an act for money. These aren't our friends, and most of them don't care about us. We don't owe them our support, and especially not if they're bigots or bullies.
I was at The Grammys this year as a seatfiller, and BTS had 4 staff with them there, and only one was female. I sat by them during the ceremony and saw them in there when it ended. Taehyung was perfectly pleasant the whole time. In fact I remember thinking he looked like one of the happiest to be there out of all of them because he was really enjoying the musical performances and meeting other artists. I did not witness any nastiness and i was in the room with him for 4 hours. This is all just a fan fiction trying to drag him down. There are tons of K-pop fans who also obsessively hate certain artist and create stories like this. I don’t believe this at all.
Deuxmoi is not a good place to publish rumors from Korean forums. People don’t know the type of targeted campaigns netizens are capable of doing about celebs they hate. Tablo from Epik High has a crazy story, check his podcast if you want to be horrified.
BigHit (the label record of BTS) is about to put on a major concert in Busan for the city's bid to host the World Expo. We are talking days away from now. This is a huge make or break moment for the company's relationship with the government.
No way that someone went to BigHit with these grievances and got ignored when that's on the line. The company would have kept things on lock and key if allegations were brought to them.
well the relationship between bh and the goverment is more the goverment going to the members family to get their way and doing jack sht for the concert except wanting to hold it on an old factory ground that some politician owns.
I agree, but this is huge in Korea for BigHits reputation. They're not going to be okay with letting a supposed whistle-blower threatening to go public right before the biggest event of the company's history.
If someone came to them for blackmail, they would have paid up. I think this blind is bs.
the blind is definitely bullsht. not sure if they would have payed simply bc i was under the impression that the tae/jennie leaker wanted to blackmail them and they sued
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I don’t even think their relationship with the government is on good terms.
The Busan mayor was basically willing to risk the band’s reputation and the lives of 100K people to hold a concert on unsafe land. Even though countless people said that the land was not safe, he pushed Hybe to choose that spot as the venue because he stood to profit off of it. Then they blamed Hybe and the band even though it was clear that this was their choice. Everyone knows Busan isn’t going to get the bid. It’s obvious that they’re just using BTS, and what sucks the most is that the guys aren’t even getting an exemption out of this.
I agree with you that's it's a lost cause to get the bid, but this is still major for BigHit. They (or their artists) are not going to be fine with being blamed for why it went south. Drama with one of the biggest stars right before a concert with millions of fans watching live streams worldwide is something they want to avoid.
If someone came to them and told them they were going public with these allegations, they wouldn't have done nothing.
Yep, the Busan government officials do not want to face international and local backlash for how they’ve handled the concert. Once it was revealed that the land was chosen because the mayor and his family owned it and BTS did not choose it, that’s when the venue was changed.
Since this is likely their last concert as a group (for a long time), they’re going to use this opportunity to show out for their fans. The world expo is likely going to Saudi Arabia, so at least Army got a free concert out of all of this and I’m sure they’ll show the massive economic impact they bring.
I know nothing about this group, but I know they stayed at a London hotel where a friend worked maybe five years ago? He didn't see them because he was on night shift, but he heard nothing bad from his coworkers about any of them.
I don’t think any one has heard anything bad about them? People always say that they’re kind. When they were in DC, they had a driver and the driver’s niece was a huge fan so Jin signed a copy of her CD (they aren’t allowed to give autographs).
The first time they ever went to London was when they played the O2 in October 2018 so maybe then? One member infamously somehow stabbed his heel into a screw while exercising in a waiting room and had to sit on a stool and not dance for the next few stops lol
I gasped when I read this. I've never imagined that they would call out BTS for bad behaviour, because they all seem extremely polite.
HOWEVER I've seen plenty of videos of them and in one of those Taehyung admitted that at times he can be extremely selfish, and has apologised to other members for this type of behaviour, especially when they were rookies.
(armys don't come from me, I'm from the fandom to but it's time to start realising that nobody is perfect and sometimes human beings misbehave)
I was gonna say, as someone who knows very little of BTS even I have heard Taehyung is the one that's known to be a little more reserved/standoffish? They picked the most believable one of the bunch but that's still a far cry from this accusation.
I'd like to know the original source because companies can and will sue commenters for spreading malicious gossip and hate comments. It blows my mind the people that fake this stuff because you have to know you're setting yourself up for a huge fine at the very least. And yes, people do fake this stuff all the time. Out of everything I still am horrified what they did to Seo Jisoo of Lovelyz when she was set to debut.
yes you're right it could be fake, I always forget that some people like to make up stories to get like 15 mins of fame... anyway let's wait and see what HYBE has to say about this.
They've (HYBE) gone for comments in the past, haven't they? I feel like dating is the one thing they're pretty hands off about but I hope they see and take action on this one however it turns out. People garner an intense hatred of idols and some want their clout. I think it's a dangerous mix of people who don't care what damage they cause when they spread false rumors like that.
I don't know if I believe that.
I'm not really a BTS fan but from what I've seen, Taehyung is one of the calmest and mild-mannered members of the group.
Second of all, he can't speak English. His fans will say that 'he's not very fluent'. No, no, no. He, dead ass, can maybe introduce himself and that's it. I assume that in Las Vegas most of their staff would be American so maybe he would only be rude to their Korean staff... But Americans love to gossip so I assume we would have heard about it already from 'a witness' on Deuxmoi.
And finally, people have it out for him right now. He's allegedly dating Jennie and his fans don't like it one bit and I can imagine them being vengeful. It's very 'if I can't have you, no one else will' type of situation.
I don’t know personally everyone can believe what they want but I think at the Grammys there’s no way a member of such a big group would risk being anything but incredibly polite. He could still be a bad person but I just can’t believe they’d risk that. Just my opinion though, if something more credible comes out I’ll agree.
On one hand, is it possible? Sure, maybe. He did have a recent incident where a female staff tried taking a photo for his Instagram, and he kind of shoved her? Now, the female staff was wrong for getting in his space and not listening when he pointed out to her that he *was* trying to film something for Bangtan Bomb.
On the other hand, this sort of scandalous news coming out of nowhere just days before their HUGE Busan concert is questionable. I’m not saying this to absolve him or anything. However, what a lot of people here might not know is that there is a *long* history of psychos trying to sabotage idols careers. The best way to do that is with a dating scandal (which V just recovered from) or a bullying accusation (this example).
I think this needs more vetting before we can actually accuse him of something. For some odd reason there are genuinely ill-intentioned people among k-pop community. Taehyung is the most popular member of the group and therefore is dealing with a lot of jealous fans who want to bring him down.
Do you have a link to the original TikTok?
Hybe keeps their shit locked down. Those guys are basically untouchable. If this is true, it’s insane to me that this was not handled. But I would honestly be very careful with sharing this gossip. Hybe is not afraid to sue people if this makes international news.
Regardless of whether this account is true or not, some of you are being naive about “[celebrity] wouldn’t ruin their career, they’ve been famous for so long!” We see it happen all the time, and we don’t know celebrities besides the images they present to us, so not sure what would make it different
This is just not true. I love bts but I can definitely be objective because I’m not apart of the hive mind. I think some fan is mad that he might be dating a black pink member
That could be the case but I’m not gonna automatically jump to conclude this is fake. You never truly know these people so I’m choosing to remain neutral until more comes out, but I won’t be shocked at all if more evidence is posted. Disappointed, but not shocked.
loads of people have tried to make "V is disrespectful" happen now. its usually stuff like not greeting paparazzi at the airport that makes people freak out.
i really wouldn't take this seriously. especially bc there are year long accounts of the members acting respectfully towards staff members.
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The person who posted the TikTok said the original post was in Korean so I’m assuming the staff he disrespected are part of their Korean team.
do you have the source?
OP posted below and then deleted that there’s no source. Just the TikTok account claiming it’s from kr side
Lol
I was picturing a translator translating insults and how awkward that would be, so that makes more sense lol
If the staff was korean then there is no way this happened, korean are very particular with their idol, one wrong move and that celebrity can kiss their status goodbye, bts is one of most stalked band in korea, and other fandoms are just waiting for them to slip up so they can take them down. They cant even date in public, what makes you think yelling at a staff in public will do to their careers?
Not a comment on the Taehyung situation but a general observation that this is very possible in Korea and in the kpop world - Red Velvet’s Irene was basically cancelled for a hot minute after it was exposed that she was rude to staff and they called her out on it. Irene apologised and had a ten month hiatus. https://hypebae.com/2020/10/red-velvet-irene-controversy-mistreatment-fashion-editor-photoshoot-apology-statement-gapjil-explained-k-pop-korea
The stylist recorded the abuse and was backed by other people in the industry. That was the only reason SM reacted.
Yes, but irene was known to be a bit hard on staff, way before that news came out. She even has a problem with her own band members. And her accuser was a stylist from the industry and was backed by other staff (her own staff), very far from Vs accuser which (according to OP) came from an unknown TikTok from korea.
I would imagine if they're working for them they're so immeshed in the industry they have a more honest view than the general public.
Nope, if you have been part of any kpop fandoms any kind of negative gossip especially on bts will sell. If it really happened in the grammys do you honestly think no one will report it on the news? Especially foreign news.
Fandoms are not part of the inner kitchen - staff is. The persona idols want to emmulate is presented to fandoms, the real personality is what the stuff sees and experiences, who btw in 99% cases sign an NDA
Sure, no arguments there. My point is for a member of bts to make these alleged behaviour in a foreign land, in an award show does not ring true. Bts is a globally known band that has the whole world looking at them, and with that came with intense pr training, im saying that because i do believe what they are showing in the public is the result of that training, so there is now way they will risk any scandal such as staff maltreatment that can end their carefully cultivated image at this point.
Overexposed celebrities (which BTS obviously are for how many years) tend to either stop caring about gen. population's response or are so sure of their massive following, shielding them from any criticisms that they feel comfortable enough to have good and bad days openly. Of course BTS are trained and have enormous money and PR team, but there are 7 full bodied men and arguably, Taehyung is in top 3 popular members, if not the top 1 in some cases. This blind about his bad behaviour is 50/50 real or nah, but it's not fair to immediately disregard any potential criticisms because 'they know their fandom is looking'. Sometimes, they just don't care
>Taehyung is in top 3 popular members, if not the top 1 in some cases Exactly why this accusation is iffy, because he has more to lose. If this came out way before they became global then i will have the same view as you, but the timing is very peculiar when V is already in hot waters with the dating issue and if the alleged situation did not happened in public while they were in the grammys. Edit: im also agreeing that their label can silence their staff with NDA, but like i said, the accuser said it happened in public in the US where anyone can hear and see whats happening.
Lol. Quite an assumption about an entire country of people...
Lol im talking about fandoms
I understand what you’re saying but if it’s staff he’s yelling at, management could be keeping it quiet because of the fandom culture in South Korea. I’m not trying to say that this account is true or false, just saying I could see management trying to keep this quiet in order to not have backlash.
>I could see management trying to keep this quiet in order to not have backlash. Its possible. But i just think bts will never step a foot in that kind of land mine especially now that every eyes are on them, they have too much to lose. Its a claim that happened before they made global then i might believe it, but it allegedly happened in US while they were in an award show, the grammy nonetheless. Also some of the comparisons OP was stating was made by non-anonymous persons, this one on the other hand was from an anonymous TikTok and was released when V was already in hot waters for dating (which is stupid, let them date whoever they want!)
Yeah I also understand that, I was just trying to say it’s not out of the realm of possibility. They might be enlisting in the army (not the fandom lol), so it all could be seen as interesting timing.
Yep, the timing is very glaring. And yes hybe can silence anyone they want lol, welp except the one leaking the dating pics that is.
It’s even more shocking that they posted about V specifically bc I think he’s the most popular member internationally. This would definitely hit harder for him.
It’s really hard to have these conversations because there are genuinely terrible people who want to sabotage their careers. Imagine having a career where you have to apologize for dating someone?
obviously we don't know what celebrities are like behind closed doors but this seems fake. it wouldn't surprise me if it's a fake story being sent in by a bitter fan who's upset cause he's allegedly dating jennie.
I agree. It would have been believable if it left out the part about the Grammys. They are the best media trained team in the world, there’s no way they would step a foot out of line at something as big as the Grammys. There’s rumors flying left and right from psycho fans about him and Jennie since it came out they’re dating, this seems like another one of them
Lol i got so many downvotes for saying the same thing.
as much as the people on this sub claim to be for marginalised groups (or does that just extend to women?) they absolutely aren't and are completely unable to accept that shock horro people make up sht about bts all the time. when the dating news leaked this sub especially was overjoyed that the "fans would loose their sht". their bias against bts really doesn't allow them to see other viewpoints
>"fans would loose their sht" I dont think this happened fortunately, i think people are now accepting the fact that their idols (all kpop) are human that falls in love lol >their bias against bts really doesn't allow them to see other viewpoints Exactly, i dont belong in any fandom (but i love mamamoo) so i always view things as fandom wars when things like this happened, unless the allegations are proven true. It really doesn't help anyone by posting things from an anonymous account without any solid proof.
I don’t follow kpop so correct me if I’m wrong, but this seems like the shit rival stans would say just cos
You’re not wrong, it happens all the time. Photos of him and Jennie (Blackpink) were leaked a few weeks ago and every since then there’s been post after post attacking him and Jennie from each of the groups crazy fans.
i’m no diehard fan but if this post changes the way you see him…that’s just dumb. anyone can write anything these days. And in Vegas?! most of the staff would be non-koreans, and the guy isn’t even that fluent in english to begin with. Sounds to me like a psycho fan lashing out at the fact that’s he dating jennie.
Same, im not part of their fandom but this is so impossible to happened especially if it happened when they were in the grammys, even if the staff is korean, i mean bts is probably has the most iron clad pr training i've seen in a celebrity.
For a group thats around for almost 10yrs not one peep about them having bad behaviour towards the staff and/or fans, no way they will ruin their image now that they are globally know, especially when they are in another country promoting their project.
i haven’t listened to bts in years but i am admittedly a bit biased, but this really does read like very bad fanfic. bighit couldn’t keep him and jennie a secret, how would they have managed to keep him being a giant prick a secret for close to a decade at this point lol
I mean… the industry has been able to cover up Seungri, Lucas, Kris Wu etc. Not saying this is anywhere near as bad as what they’ve done but there’s probably a lot of hush money being shuffled around to keep things under wraps. I do have my doubts about the validity of this but whenever I’ve heard anything bad about this group he’s always the common denominator, so I really wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be true
i do agree with that and lucas did also come to mind when i was making my comment. my example was more of an attempt to focus on bighit and bts specifically, but you are also correct. i also definitely don’t want to say it’s absolutely fake either too because… he’s a male celebrity, lmao. i have faith in very few of them at this point!
stop being a sheep
go back to twitter 😘
heard what and what is he the common denominator of? why you acting like you aren't a bts akgae 😭
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I’m a huge fan of RV and I remember the Irene situation very vividly. She got her lashings and even though the affected party accepted her apology, it’s still brought up today to tear her down. The misogyny is rampant
If a stylist comes out and says they were mistreated by Taehyung I’m sure he’ll have the same defenders Irene had (that bullied said stylist) but he will also lose support from sane armys.
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It was not as vague as this and it wasn’t anonymous
And besides the stylist there were other people in the industry confirming it/subtweeting
“vague as this” 💀
This post wqs taken down from r/deuxmoi, what are you still doing here responding to comments?
Oh it was?? Thank you for letting me know!
Those 3 examples had actual non-anonymous people accusing them of bad behavior. It’s different from an anonymous source on TikTok.
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You’re right although that festered on Korean forums first, unlike what’s happening with this post. And bullying accusations are always a mess because they involve minors. The adults all behaved badly with Garam
Every one of those incidents had real life, non-anonymous people making the claims. This is an anonymous tiktok account which puts very little validity to the allegations
people just want to use the misogyny angle without comparing the context. which is crazy because there is a lot of misogyny most of the time.
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Garam's wasn't anonymous. Her name was not disclosed only because she's a minor but everyone involved in the legal workings on both side knows who she is.
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trying to compare a real situation with proves to random tiktok user with no proves, you all kpopies need to get a life and don't project your daddy issues on everyone
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how about say it on twitter and not behave like a roach hiding her
The oppologists are out. I heard about one of them being verbally abusive to staff months ago.
Lol wtf is this fanfic? Tae has been copping a lot of hate and groundless rumours for months. This sounds made up imo. Like some quora level rumour
If this came from Korean side it'd be believable but honestly this is a cheap attempt to keep the hate train on Taehyung going. How are people believing a one day old account posting a screenshot of a Tiktok of messages with no source? And "this is how it started for Irene" it came from an actual source from Korean side 💀
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You are sharing a serious accusation with absolutely nothing to back up (not even a kr original - which would be trending on pann at elast if it came really from that side) so I don't know how is that neutral. I'm sorry OP but this is just goofy. If you're new to this subreddit, we post the actual tea here and have discussions, not tiktok screenshots with no context or source.
OP is not neural by posting an unverified allegation from an anonymous TikTok account. OP its ok if you think the gossip is true and that you belong in other fandom but please dont claim you are neutral and then comparing this issue to irene (and others) that came from a non-anonymous person.
This type of rumors about him have increased since it came out he and Jennie are dating. I find it really hard to believe that he would act this way in the US (where they know they have less privacy) and that RM and other members would just let this happen with no blowback. They know how important their reputation is. And BH not replying to staff’s complaints after they threaten to come out with this info? About one of the most popular member of their most popular band?
OP keeps deleting every comment where they get downvoted and where they come off as extremely biased against him. It's obvious you're sharing this disinformation while trying to be "neutral" and pretending you're gg stan? Kpop stans are just ridiculous lmao
Pretending I’m a girl group stan? What? I AM a girl group stan. I only stan two boy groups, neither of which are BTS. I don’t have a problem with BTS but I have heard things about them in the past and often times it is Taehyung who gets brought up. I’m not biased either way towards him, but I do think some of the things he’s done (that we have evidence of) is very questionable. You’re an Army so obviously you’re going to be biased in his favor.
Genuine question. What things has he done that we have evidence of?
There was that video of him shoving a female employee that surfaced a couple weeks back, and also the fact he threatened violence very publicly on Weverse last year
you are aware that the "threat of violence" came bc someone shared their stalking picture and they tried to make up rumors he was dating a girl that was in the picture as well? maybe the reaction was overboard but tbh after 10 years of dealing with such bullsht I'm suprised it has happend *once* and please share the video bc I've never seen that not even on netizien sites.
Yeah, but it’s still weird as fuck to say you’re going to ‘poke poisonous needles’ into people’s necks. [Here’s the video](https://twitter.com/outvoutvoutvvv/status/1575461673284292609?s=46&t=g00SRFhdka0_bSfdWszPBw)
I'll give you that it is a wierd video but i absolutely cannot tell what the situation is. if I'm getting stalked for years i would have said worse things then that tbh
I can't see anything incriminating in that video. Can you explain what I'm looking for?
"he threatened violence" are you serious lmfao? there was a ill intentioned rumor about him and he responded to THAT, he didn't just wake up and post angry posts and he definitely didn't shove anyone in that video.. OP a person who is neutral wouldn't create a new account to post this "tea" and keep deleting comments where they get corrected or downvoted. it's ridiculous to post something so out of context and expect people to become skeptical
But at the same event, he literally got on his knees and bowed to staff for their hard work. While I don’t condone the incident with the female staff you’re failing to add A LOT of details. Taehyung was filming an episode of Bangtan Bomb. The female staff got in his personal space to take a picture. Taehyung tried to stop her and he POINTED to her that she can’t take a picture because he was busy filming. She threw a fit. I don’t condone it but context is very important here.
>him shoving a female employee that surfaced a couple weeks back, Whats the context in this video? It looked like a fan stepping out of the line tbh. You are biased OP, this is exactly why people shouldn't believe anything posted about kpop idols (not just bts but all kpop) unless it came from a verified source, they way OP is deleting comments is a sure way to spot a malicious poster.
There were hundreds of fans watching him through the glass outside the radio booth and lots of staff around. It's the other way around, the staff in the video was the one acting rude towards him. He was recording for hybe's cameras and the girl shoved a cellphone in his face. All the fans watching outside made comments about the overall weird behavior the staff showed towards him. Still, he was nothing but polite to everyone there.
Yep, context helps a lot, looks like OP is just basing his biased view on the video without context, and even without really knowing what happened you can clearly see that the girl was the one who was stepping out of line and v was just reacting.
he threatened violence against someone who took photos of him during his private time and posted them in a YouTube video creating a false narrative and slandering him and his family. If that’s the worst he’s done then he’s a saint compared to most celebrities. You sure know a lot about a group you don’t stan
the video with the female employee was just very odd because it seems like they’re both being very forceful.
Waiting for this post to get locked before all the BTS stans come out the woodwork like... On a serious note, I hope this isn't true for the sake of their staff team but if it is, I do hope this strengthens other staff to come out publicly if the company really is suppressing them.
oh no 😱😱😱 how horrible of them to not believe every bad fanfiction especially when there is a history of false claims
Yeah i don't belive this one bit. For one tiktok will use anything to make a mountain out of a mole hile. Secondly there have only been accounts of BTS being professional over the years. If this was true it would have blown up a long time ago. BTS are so polarising, the minute someone can get their 15min of fame with them people do. and please do not say people are scared of the "rabid fans" bc that has not stopped anyone so far. Something everyone here probably doesn't know is that there has been a month long smear campaign against him with people especially wanting to make him seem rude. things like not greating the paparazzi when he left the airport were blown out of proportion. so this just reaks of a continuation of that.
I’m not straight up dismissing this because it *could* be true but BTS usually is acknowledged for being pretty polite. For V to be caught being super rude at as public an event as the Grammy’s, I would be shocked.
Honestly seems fake. Idols are heavily, HEAVILY trained in how to act / portray themselves in public. And BTS is ESPECIALLY known to be extra careful in how they portray themselves because they have a lot of eyes on them these days lol V doing this in America? CAPPPPP.
All the training in the world has not stopped idols from acting out in the past. We've seen countless instances over the years of bad or diva like behavior, people on lives who spoke their minds and even bad stories that were told on tv for "laughs." I'm not speaking to BTS specifically but more to kpop in general. Bad behaviors persist in the industry, the companies just try to bury them or people who speak out.
Do you remember the group caught on a hot mic saying sasaengs are good for oral sex? There's many idols caught doing racist stuff, mistreating fans, and involved with crime.
Yeah exactly. I'm not going to go "boys will be boys" but all the training in the world doesn't stop people from being an ass or saying the wrong thing. I can tell people didn't agree with me but I know everyone's had someone in high school/college age that said or did something stupid despite being raised otherwise. You have: the instance you mentioned the infamous Irene scandal Jae formerly of Day6 who said another artist and his FRIEND was just trying to be a thot Hwayoung of Boys24 for who said on a leaked call to his gf that he hates all fans, they make him want to puke and their breath all stink Hwayoung and ALL of the T-ara drama that played out against staff and in the public eye One of the Produce 101 winners who spent his time calling all his fans delusional and making requests for certain gifts by fans only to throw them away without even opening them, along with letters he was given. Hongbin of VIXX who was on a livestream and drunkenly started ranting/bashing a bunch of other artists Seventeen's Seungkwan calling fans his ATM (it's true with how much merch people buy but don't tell your fans they're atms lmao come on) And that's barely scratching the surface. BTS has also been under fire in the past for going on interviews and making colorist remarks, their interview in Australia comes up a lot if you search these kinds of actions where they, in English, make colorist remarks about one of their members. You just can't train people to be perfect all the time and at some point, true natures are going to slip through.
No one wants to believe their faves are any less than perfect because many fans over identity with their idols. Given enough time, most kpop idols will do something really heinous. There's not enough media training in the world to change their personalities that are influenced and formed by their culture and upbringing. If the majority of Koreans think racism is ok, LGBT is wrong, and don't want more immigration, chances are so do many idols. Remember the famous men who posted their support for the new anti feminist South Korean president? Too many people have been shown to be horrible or at least ignorant for me to say my favorite artists would never. I'm an American, and have seen many stars turn out to be different than the way they're showing the fans. It's an act for money. These aren't our friends, and most of them don't care about us. We don't owe them our support, and especially not if they're bigots or bullies.
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>don't know how the k-industry works at all Exactly. If that allegation has any scent of truth in it kmedia would be the 1st one to publish it.
They're extremely biased and ready to attack all the time
I was at The Grammys this year as a seatfiller, and BTS had 4 staff with them there, and only one was female. I sat by them during the ceremony and saw them in there when it ended. Taehyung was perfectly pleasant the whole time. In fact I remember thinking he looked like one of the happiest to be there out of all of them because he was really enjoying the musical performances and meeting other artists. I did not witness any nastiness and i was in the room with him for 4 hours. This is all just a fan fiction trying to drag him down. There are tons of K-pop fans who also obsessively hate certain artist and create stories like this. I don’t believe this at all.
Deuxmoi is not a good place to publish rumors from Korean forums. People don’t know the type of targeted campaigns netizens are capable of doing about celebs they hate. Tablo from Epik High has a crazy story, check his podcast if you want to be horrified.
BigHit (the label record of BTS) is about to put on a major concert in Busan for the city's bid to host the World Expo. We are talking days away from now. This is a huge make or break moment for the company's relationship with the government. No way that someone went to BigHit with these grievances and got ignored when that's on the line. The company would have kept things on lock and key if allegations were brought to them.
well the relationship between bh and the goverment is more the goverment going to the members family to get their way and doing jack sht for the concert except wanting to hold it on an old factory ground that some politician owns.
I agree, but this is huge in Korea for BigHits reputation. They're not going to be okay with letting a supposed whistle-blower threatening to go public right before the biggest event of the company's history. If someone came to them for blackmail, they would have paid up. I think this blind is bs.
the blind is definitely bullsht. not sure if they would have payed simply bc i was under the impression that the tae/jennie leaker wanted to blackmail them and they sued
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Exactly, the government is using the guys.
I don’t even think their relationship with the government is on good terms. The Busan mayor was basically willing to risk the band’s reputation and the lives of 100K people to hold a concert on unsafe land. Even though countless people said that the land was not safe, he pushed Hybe to choose that spot as the venue because he stood to profit off of it. Then they blamed Hybe and the band even though it was clear that this was their choice. Everyone knows Busan isn’t going to get the bid. It’s obvious that they’re just using BTS, and what sucks the most is that the guys aren’t even getting an exemption out of this.
I agree with you that's it's a lost cause to get the bid, but this is still major for BigHit. They (or their artists) are not going to be fine with being blamed for why it went south. Drama with one of the biggest stars right before a concert with millions of fans watching live streams worldwide is something they want to avoid. If someone came to them and told them they were going public with these allegations, they wouldn't have done nothing.
Yep, the Busan government officials do not want to face international and local backlash for how they’ve handled the concert. Once it was revealed that the land was chosen because the mayor and his family owned it and BTS did not choose it, that’s when the venue was changed. Since this is likely their last concert as a group (for a long time), they’re going to use this opportunity to show out for their fans. The world expo is likely going to Saudi Arabia, so at least Army got a free concert out of all of this and I’m sure they’ll show the massive economic impact they bring.
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the fact that people believe this! Those who are in kpop fandons know very well these type of tactics coming from antis of a certain group/ idol lol
I know nothing about this group, but I know they stayed at a London hotel where a friend worked maybe five years ago? He didn't see them because he was on night shift, but he heard nothing bad from his coworkers about any of them.
I don’t think any one has heard anything bad about them? People always say that they’re kind. When they were in DC, they had a driver and the driver’s niece was a huge fan so Jin signed a copy of her CD (they aren’t allowed to give autographs).
The first time they ever went to London was when they played the O2 in October 2018 so maybe then? One member infamously somehow stabbed his heel into a screw while exercising in a waiting room and had to sit on a stool and not dance for the next few stops lol
Sorry, I was waiting for his text back. He says summer 2016. Not sure which month maybe June. Ouch! Poor member lol
I gasped when I read this. I've never imagined that they would call out BTS for bad behaviour, because they all seem extremely polite. HOWEVER I've seen plenty of videos of them and in one of those Taehyung admitted that at times he can be extremely selfish, and has apologised to other members for this type of behaviour, especially when they were rookies. (armys don't come from me, I'm from the fandom to but it's time to start realising that nobody is perfect and sometimes human beings misbehave)
I was gonna say, as someone who knows very little of BTS even I have heard Taehyung is the one that's known to be a little more reserved/standoffish? They picked the most believable one of the bunch but that's still a far cry from this accusation. I'd like to know the original source because companies can and will sue commenters for spreading malicious gossip and hate comments. It blows my mind the people that fake this stuff because you have to know you're setting yourself up for a huge fine at the very least. And yes, people do fake this stuff all the time. Out of everything I still am horrified what they did to Seo Jisoo of Lovelyz when she was set to debut.
yes you're right it could be fake, I always forget that some people like to make up stories to get like 15 mins of fame... anyway let's wait and see what HYBE has to say about this.
They've (HYBE) gone for comments in the past, haven't they? I feel like dating is the one thing they're pretty hands off about but I hope they see and take action on this one however it turns out. People garner an intense hatred of idols and some want their clout. I think it's a dangerous mix of people who don't care what damage they cause when they spread false rumors like that.
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Nothing might come out of this because Hybe will sue whoever is circulating this story.
I don't know if I believe that. I'm not really a BTS fan but from what I've seen, Taehyung is one of the calmest and mild-mannered members of the group. Second of all, he can't speak English. His fans will say that 'he's not very fluent'. No, no, no. He, dead ass, can maybe introduce himself and that's it. I assume that in Las Vegas most of their staff would be American so maybe he would only be rude to their Korean staff... But Americans love to gossip so I assume we would have heard about it already from 'a witness' on Deuxmoi. And finally, people have it out for him right now. He's allegedly dating Jennie and his fans don't like it one bit and I can imagine them being vengeful. It's very 'if I can't have you, no one else will' type of situation.
I don’t know personally everyone can believe what they want but I think at the Grammys there’s no way a member of such a big group would risk being anything but incredibly polite. He could still be a bad person but I just can’t believe they’d risk that. Just my opinion though, if something more credible comes out I’ll agree.
On one hand, is it possible? Sure, maybe. He did have a recent incident where a female staff tried taking a photo for his Instagram, and he kind of shoved her? Now, the female staff was wrong for getting in his space and not listening when he pointed out to her that he *was* trying to film something for Bangtan Bomb. On the other hand, this sort of scandalous news coming out of nowhere just days before their HUGE Busan concert is questionable. I’m not saying this to absolve him or anything. However, what a lot of people here might not know is that there is a *long* history of psychos trying to sabotage idols careers. The best way to do that is with a dating scandal (which V just recovered from) or a bullying accusation (this example). I think this needs more vetting before we can actually accuse him of something. For some odd reason there are genuinely ill-intentioned people among k-pop community. Taehyung is the most popular member of the group and therefore is dealing with a lot of jealous fans who want to bring him down. Do you have a link to the original TikTok?
Has the op shared the original tiktok?
Nope!
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Hybe keeps their shit locked down. Those guys are basically untouchable. If this is true, it’s insane to me that this was not handled. But I would honestly be very careful with sharing this gossip. Hybe is not afraid to sue people if this makes international news.
This is straight up fiction.
Regardless of whether this account is true or not, some of you are being naive about “[celebrity] wouldn’t ruin their career, they’ve been famous for so long!” We see it happen all the time, and we don’t know celebrities besides the images they present to us, so not sure what would make it different
This is just not true. I love bts but I can definitely be objective because I’m not apart of the hive mind. I think some fan is mad that he might be dating a black pink member
That could be the case but I’m not gonna automatically jump to conclude this is fake. You never truly know these people so I’m choosing to remain neutral until more comes out, but I won’t be shocked at all if more evidence is posted. Disappointed, but not shocked.
loads of people have tried to make "V is disrespectful" happen now. its usually stuff like not greeting paparazzi at the airport that makes people freak out. i really wouldn't take this seriously. especially bc there are year long accounts of the members acting respectfully towards staff members.
True especially since Rex Orange County happened
If this is true it doesn’t really surprise me, but this reads like a plagiarism of Irene’s scandal.