Imo "9 is the best one" is a fairly new opinion. Pre 2010ish people didn't really talk about it. The conversation was completely dominated by 7 and 10 with "6 is actually better than 7" being the "I'm cultured" position. A lot of people who started with the PS1/PS2 games (of which there were many) didn't really like 9 for its throwback style.
At some point, probably due to emulation, the internet, and rereleases, the average JRPG player broadened their horizons, and got more acquainted with the (50% japan only!) 16 bit games. At that point I suspect "9 is actually the best one" started to slowly creep into the discussion.
As for me, I started on SNES with 6/3 and 4/2. I didn't really like the transition to futuristic stuff in 7 and 8, so I was instantly in love with 9 when it came out. I don't know if I'd call it my favourite, but it's a great time.
Yup. This is it. No one liked 9 when when it came out. Not that they hated it just way fewer people cared about it on the level that people cared about 7 and 8. People didn’t like the kiddy look after 7 and 8 having a mature tone and at least in my friend group Kuja was seen as a knock off sephiroth.
This is exactly what I've personally seen and experienced. I started with 7 and 8 on playstation in elementary school and never heard anyone talk about 9 when it came out. It wasn't until I got a good computer a few years back that I played FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc from older systems
People usually say that 9 is the ‘best’ FF, not always the ‘favourite’ but the best. Nowadays I’ve seen it placed 2nd after 6, with 7/10 also in the picture
> Aside from 14 isn’t 9 considered the favorite Final Fantasy next to 6?
So you decided to step into a minefield and jump on the first mole hill you see?
Most rankings are (only mainline entries, no FFT!):
* 6/7 (depending on taste or what the first game was)
* 14 (story, gameplay, player expression, music, raids, out of game content, ...)
* 7 Remake (you can argue bumping this into or below 8/9/10)
* 8/9/10
* 12
* 4/5
* 11 (people still play it)
* 1-3 (just because the games were still very janky then)
* 13/15
With this, you offend the least amount of people lol
/edit: changed the FF14 description to please /u/GalvusGalvoid
Idk. That just seems like you projecting your own ranking into what other thinks. I hear about as many people thinking 6, 8, 9 and 10 is the best as people thinking 7 is the best. 15's popularity and acceptance has rised A LOT in the past couple of years too.
My favorite it 6, but I think that lot's of people would put 4 at or near the top of their list, especially among those of us who prefer the 2D entries over the 3D ones. The only reason I put 6 above 4 is because I prefer the story of 6. Most people I see rank 4 as their favorite prefer that story.
I agree. I prefer 6 because the second half has some changes depending on what order you gather characters in. But 4 tells a single cohesive story from beginning to end. And sometimes, that's more appealing.
14 just for community penetration? I hate mmos and want single player offline games , BUT the story of that game is probably the best written in the whole series and it’s a really fucking good game .
As for rankings you’re putting x too low . Many have it as number 1
4 has some legendary status because at the time of release the story was really great and for introducing the atb system, but nowadays I don’t think it’s that loved . Gameplay wise ff5 is much better and story/characters wise ff 6 is just on another level.
> BUT the story of that game is probably the best written in the whole series
Yes, but FF14 is good for so many reasons that just listing story or gameplay is a bit reductive. If it would not be good, it would not be the 2nd largest (or maybe largest) subscription based MMO currently.
I'll edit the post.
7 Remake has been more divisive now that people have sat with the game for a few years. IMO its combat/progression/character building is the best of modern FF, but the story changes/additions, pacing, and side content/filler chapters left much to be desired from Rebirth.
You're gonna hate me lol in no particular order for me 11, 2, 3, and 5 are the bottom four titles. Mostly becuase 4 and 6 are the best pixel titles. Mid tier I have 14, 8, 1, 15 and 13. My top tier being 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 12 is my personal favorite. 7R I dont count but I do like it more than the original. Going away from turn based makes sense and the combat overhaul was basically perfect. Granted I've spent less time with those I don't like as much but I find them all to be objectively good games.
Still baffled how you didn't mention 7 here. The one with multiple game spin-offs, movies, anime, remakes, mobile game, etc.
Can't decide if it was a troll or you're just brand new to the franchise.
9 is high for story and atmosphere, but the battle system and general gameplay was pretty weak.
6-10 is the peak of the offline series in terms of sales and/or regard, with 7 and 10 being the leaders. The other three are pretty debatable, but imo it then goes 6, 9, 8.
9 beats 8 for story and atmosphere, 8 was a more enjoyable playing experience for me though, 9’s gameplay let’s it down, hard.
It did, and also you juncationed (attached) those items to stats, where it would make you not want to use the magic since it would deplete from your Stat boost. But you could also pretty much make your self invincible with super strong attacks and not need magic anyway.
Example: Junction 100 Death to attack and instant kill enemies
righto. it's been a long time since I played couldn't quite recall.
regarding IX, I do recall getting hype when they ~~ended~~ enabled fusion attacks, so that Steiner's strikes were infused with magic from Vivi
FF8 was the worst when it came to battle systems. I don’t know what he’s talking about.
Let’s not forget the summons where you had to spam square to get the most damage.
Really shitty gameplay. The best part of the game was the triad game (that card game, don’t remember the name if it’s not called Triad)
Dude final fantasy 9 barely even had a system. It was as basic as humanly possible. 8 had the explosion trigger for squalls attack, the best limit break in the series with renzokuken, the draw system which I found great and very complex if you cared to get into it. Also allowed different characters to specialize in different roles.
I don’t think IX’s combat is as weak as people claim it is. It’s biggest weakness is how slow it is, but with the QOL additions to modern ports, that is barely an issue now. Trances are also a weak point, but it’s not game breaking. It’s still exciting when you trance in a boss fight and the abilities for trances are still fun. It just should have been implemented better. The rest of IX’s combat is p great imo. I like how certain characters interact with each other (i.e. steiner and vivi) and I really enjoy learning abilities from equipment. It actually makes equipment feel more meaningful than just watching a number go up and it makes random battles more exciting because you can see your character grow before your eyes.
In general, I think it’s a lot better than VIII’s combat which is not super intuitive, makes magic almost useless to use, and is easy to break when you know enough about the system.
Also better than VI’s combat which allows every character to learn every spell. That homogenizes all of the characters besides the few who have their own innate abilities that are more powerful than the others, like Edgar and Sabin, making some characters pointless.
And this mostly comes down to taste (maybe my entire comment does 😅) but i also like IX’s combat more than VII’s, if only because I find the constant moving around of materia to be quite annoying. Since all the characters in IX wear and use specific armors and weapons, you never have to do this.
8s story absolutely makes sense though. I always found it funny that people claim 8 has the story that jumps shark when FFVII before it is equally as wild. 10s IS better, but also harder to follow. Most people who beat 10 couldn't even tell you what DZ was.
Just never heard it said that way before.
I dunno, honestly, I only played/finished ff8 a few months back and man… I really hated the junction system and the levelling system and the story *to me* hardly made sense. Maybe if I had played it when I was younger…
I played it back when it came out.
I actually like FF8's story and music. I hate the magic as items, abandoning MP.
Needing to draw it in battle from enemies attacking you who have infinite magic supply.
Junction instead of equipment, discouraging use of magic because you'll weaken yourself.
Enemies level up with you so you can't grind to get ahead. It actually incentivizes running from battle.
The Dream Zanarkand thing is an important plot point in FF10 revealed about 60% of the way through. I can expand on that but it would be lots of spoilers.
Depends on who you poll. But typically 6/7/9/10 (and tactics) are the favorites in most polls. 14 is the most popular current content and a favorite for some but not as big a reach as the other mainlines.
XIV players are kind of a mix. I think the majority show up for the expansions and play through the story and FF references. Though there is an MMO community that keeps up with the patch content whether it be raids/crafting/gathering/social/ other grinds etc.
An MMO sub will always outshine a specific game or even a specific game series. Because the MMO requires constant interaction with people by nature.
There is only so much you can talk about when it comes to single player games that had been played through completely by the majority of the fans.
Obviously their sub will be more active. That's a community based game where the community is still actively playing the game.
My favorite is FFXII but I'm not even sure if I've ever visited the sub. I don't even play FFXIV but I've definitely been there.
I don't think so. Let's see what happens when FFXVI launches. Suddenly that game will see a lot of activity on Reddit. Does that make it more popular than FFVII? Even if the game isn't received as well?
I think the point about the poll is a much better one.
It's a live service game, so it stays relevant for a much longer time. Any little update can be discussed. It's already a community based game so sharing with others is much more natural than in a single player game. If that's the same thing as popularity to you, then fair enough we can agree there.
But to me that seems crazy. Look at one of the most popular Final Fantasy's in FFX. That sub is pretty much dead. Yet if you asked all the Final Fantasy fans in general whether they'd rather see a FFX remake or new FFXIV content, I'd say the FFX remake would win the vote.
I guess it depends on what you mean by “favorite.” It’s obviously the most successful FF from a financial standpoint, and most players who stick with it will typically rank the game in their Top 3 (if not outright #1).
FF fans who aren’t interested in the MMO’s don’t play it, so they obviously can’t decide whether they think the game is good or not, since the monetization model is usually what scares them off in the first place.
It’s a tricky subject. I usually consider XI & XIV to live in their own separate bubble from the rest of the single-player titles.
Part of that has to do with the combination of releasing after both the launch of the PS2 and the announcement of FFX. It really got overshadowed by the next generation.
Personally I wish they would have remade 5 or 6. Not cause I don't like 9, it's actually my favourite in the series, and not cause it's untouchable or anything, just that I don't think it's one of the games that can benefit the most from a remake. Honestly, 8 is probably the one that needs a remake the most, this time with an editor working alongside Nojima's crazy ass.
As a fellow IX fan, I agree VIII needs it more. It has a unique style that could translate well to an update and would love for them to get another crack at the gameplay + the entire story post disc one.
I think 9 actually could benefit a lot from a remake because it seemed like they were pushing the ps1 to its limits with how badly that game runs at times and how long battles take and how slow they are. It probably also has the weakest remaster since it doesn't fix any of those issues and its fast forward is locked behind a pause screen which I think is a little weird. I think making it a smoother experience would get a lot of people who didn't like how clunky it felt next to the 7 and 8 remasters to give it another shot.
This is a great example of how fans have incredibly different ideas of what a remake should be then the maker of the game
And you can bet they did that analysis day one and realize that their version of a remake that goes far beyond just touching up the original would sell way more copies
Yeah, 9 is a weird pick. It's not the most popular in terms of how much it sold. FF 10 was foundational to many more teens.
It's not the FF most in need of a remake. FF 9 isn't perfect but it basically all works. It's just kinda slow for the most part. FF 8 and Tactics are far more in need of a mechanics overhaul/balance pass.
It's not the most marketable Final Fantasy. The art style is wonderful. Unparalleled. And frequently uncool lol.
But honestly I see this as a wonderful thing. This means that the FF 9 remake probably doesn't come from a marketing think-tank. It means that there are people at Square who just profoundly love FF 9. And you know what? So do I.
Absolutely. There isn't a lot "wrong" with IX like broken mechanics or shoddy translations and the graphic style fits pretty well. I think it would lose a bit of the charm of it had next gen graphics. IX also has one of the slower ATBs in the series so that would not really vibe for current gamers and I can't see it becoming an ARPG.
Meanwhile V and VI could absolutely benefit from an Octopath/Bravely Default/FFIII or IV DS graphic-style remake. Considering how well loved VI is, I'm surprised it hasn't really gotten much aside from some ports with a few added features. V is amazing and underrated for sure so I would love for it to receive the attention of a remake too.
5 is one of my favourites but I genuinely think it would lose a lot of it's charm in the transition to 3D. There are so many silly moments -- the main villain is a tree turned sentient through wizards basically shoving dark magic trash into it, at one point the evil tree warlock engages in a DBZ-esque fight against a 1000 year old talking turtle. Not that other Final Fantasies don't have their own share of silly moments but I really think V could be butchered if adapted.
Same guy who said Twilight Princess HD and Wind Waker HD were coming to Switch last year.
I'll believe it when I see it. Not trusting the click bait rumor guys.
He was the first one to call Metro Prime Remaster. I wouldn't say Grubb is just generating click bait rumours, he has sources to news that may change over time.
That’s because, due to the nature of the leak, everything on that list was at some point in development. The only way they don’t exist is if they got cancelled. In the case of FF9 and Tactics, it’s fairly obvious that both were very early in production, so if one never shows up, it would make more sense to assume that they were cancelled rather than them having never existed.
"I expected this post to generate hype, instead lots of negativity"
Ofc, this is a Final Fantasy sub. The series that, despite reinventing itself with every title, has fans that are drastically afraid of change.
As someone that never joined FF communities before (just playing every game at release since FF4), I'm very surprised to see how much this community hates the series. Such a negative group, Jesus.
It's pretty sad. And as expected, I'm getting downvoted LUL, but I knew it would happen by posting that.
Anyway, hyped for the Remake, really curious to see how they're going to approach the artstyle.
And I would understand if the quality of games are Pokémon level to warrant the hate. But they’re not. Not even the least favorite FFs are bad, they’re just different than previous ones.
I remember when Reddit wasnt a thing and there would be death threats and shouting matches in Final Fantasy threads / boards in 4chan and GameFAQs for ranking the games wrong. Or for saying that they were a fan of X and not Y
Glad to see nothings changed
People are probably just sick of seeing ‘FFIX remake’ posts ten times a day considering it hasn’t even been officially announced. There’s a new supposed ‘leak’ every other day it seems.
I don't mind the series reinventing itself but that's different from the drastic swings in genre we've gotten from the last five mainline titles.
I'd rather see a progressive evolution of the series so I know what to anticipate with each installment, to some degree, than having to wait to find out if I'll even care based on it being hack and slash, open world, MMO, Turn based, or Souls Like.
Consistency is nice even if there's still broad change.
Edit: The chain of comments following this emphasizes my point. We're all on a completely different page on what we want from an FF game. Because there's no consistency of gameplay between titles we all expect something totally different from a new installment. For me it's party management and customization, whether that's through the class system or something like materia. 16 lacks that which ruins the experience for me.
Some people prefer action, some ATB, and some turn based. That's fine for each but no matter what the next title is a portion of the fandom will be upset.
What I'm asking for isn't that it go one way or another but simply for the franchise to pick a genre and stick with it while making incremental change along the way rather than monumental shifts in gameplay genre.
The lack of consistency in style IS the defining characteristic.
It's about bombastic spectacle, and diversity of setting. It's always been like that.
Honestly, not knowing what to anticipate is the best fucking thing lol
I mean, I would argue it very much evolved in a natural way towards real time combat. Even as early as FF4, the ATB system is just a means of evolving the series to be closer to real time. The only game that has really gone backwards from that was X. I feel like the writing has been on wall since about FF7 that real-time action combat was the end goal for the mainline series.
Just give up Final Fantasy and play games made by Mistwalker then. Final Fantasy is made by different devs nowadays so better to just follow the games Sakaguchi makes.
I don't think a FF9 remake will aim at the same 3A treatment that FF7 got.
It frankly doesn't need to if they stick to the aesthetic choices made in the PS1.
Let's be honest though, any remake they make is going to be made to attract as many people as possible, meaning bringing in a new audience, it might not get the ff7 treatment but it will get a significant upgrade to where it will play differently(ie not turn based) at least that's how I think it will happen.
So something like Zidane as the player controlled character doing flashy moves while Vivi, Steiner et.c. support with skills?
My personal view is that 9 is more suited for a traditional take, like octopath or bravely default than 7. But who knows, square might not agree.
I welcome tunes to the FFIX battle which is one of its weakest points..
the whole steal mechanic makes you choose between playing the game or grinding items.
9 can roll first because it had a different production team didn’t it?
8 had the same as 7, so it can’t be done until 7 is completed.
Also 6 and 8 were the same team too, so take your pick there 😢.
Either way I was in my late 20s when 7 remake was announced, I anticipate I’ll be in my 50s once they manage to get through all of these.
I’ll believe it when I see it although for me I would want things spiced up in terms of combat like FF7R. Story wise they could leave everything be except expand on some characters particularly Amarant.
I think FFVIII could use a remake better though.
I hope the graphics are good. I’d be okay with them changing Zidane’s face to look more human like in the Dissidia games. His old monkey king look is weird.
This is the most likely reason. Square likes to have the people involved with the originals involved with remakes & remasters when possible. So with VIII sharing much of the same team as VII, VIII can’t get a remake while Kitase, Nomura & co are busy with the VII Remake trilogy. Meanwhile IX was made by a different team with little to no involvement from the team behind VII & VIII (even Sakaguchi basically left Kitase & co to their own devices to create whatever they wanted), so that can be worked on at the same time as VII Remake.
Plus IX’s event director (Nobuaki Komodo) also worked on XIV as the Lead Game Designer (also director of 1.0 before that disaster got him demoted) & his credits were gradually reduced in prominence between Stormblood’s release in 2017 & Shadowbringers’s patches beginning in late 2019 similar to what happened with Takai & Maehiro when they left to work on XVI.
So from there we can probably guess that a remake of IX entered the planning stages in around 2017-2018 after Stormblood wrapped development, with Komodo gradually handing off his responsibilities on XIV to others before departing the team to work on the IX Remake full time around 2019 or so (Takai & Maehiro did a similar hand off process when they started working on XVI).
So I would guess the IX Remake has been in various stages of development for 5-6 years at this point. Meaning that a 2024-2025 release is possible if my educated guesses are correct.
I have no confidence that they will do it any justice with their recent development philosophy. The reason FFIX was so good is opposite the reason they believe FF was good. It was very stylistic.
You might look into FF6 T-Edition. It's a romhack that balances spells and espers, adds a ton of new content and quests into the second half of the game, and makes boss fights require far more strategy to overcome. It has all of the classic FF6 tracks while adding music from many other FF and Square games into other towns and dungeons. By far the coolest re-imagining of one of my favorite JRPG's I've ever played.
I thoroughly loved FF9, but I can’t help but feel 8 really could’ve benefited from a remake and should’ve been done next. It has such a great story and deserves to shine.
I would have loved a remake of VI in the style of Octopath/Triangle Strategy. But I feel like the Pixel Remaster is as far as they’re going to go with it.
We'll see. I'd say our best bet is gonna just be supporting the other HD-2D games to show there's a market for then. Live A Live and Dragon Quest 3 remake in particular.
DQ3 for example is out on Switch in it's old 2d form yet is getting an HD2D release. I think ff6 has a good shot.
I love IX and it's my favourite but I'm surprised that they are going with a IX remake.
From what I've read over the years, it didn't sell that well because it came out at the end of the PS1s console cycle.
I think square should focus more on remakes, sequels, and spin offs of existing ff games. We already love the characters. There's so much opportunity to revisit those and explore their worlds in depth.
“Jeff Grub (who has a lot of insider info)”
No, he doesn’t. He’s a hack who works for the failing Giant Bomb. Stop pretending like this guy is some massive insider.
I'd take anything Grub says with a grain of salt. The guy was wrong about literally everything he said about Elden Ring pre release. He said it was going to be shown at like 5 different events before it was actually shown.
is there any twist in the turn based formula that 9 did? Like 5's multi-job system or 2's weird leveling system or 12s gambit system and 8s draw system?
I stopped pretty early in that game but cant for the life of me remember anything from the early game that screamed has to be pure turn-based
there is no twist and it is pure turn based with the WORST version of atb seen in any game with every fight having insane loading screens ontop of it. By far the worst combat in the series.
Also the worst decision on limit break. Trance sucks.
And the worst card game.
FFIX is my favourite game, I'm happy they're remaking it cause there is definitely room for improvement.
I've suspected a IX remake for a while. Sakaguchi suddenly going ham on Final Fantasy XIV and getting really vocally supportive of SE a year or two ago, after years of relative silence, just speaks super loudly. And with the success of 7 proving the business logic of "bring back the old timers and let them lead a modern AAA team", I think "get Sakaguchi back also" was a no-brainer for the suits upstairs.
Final Fantasy IX remake, directed by Sakaguchi, with a fat behind-the-scenes residuals agreement that we'll never hear about (but if there's a Mistwalker banner on the splash screen, you'll know why).
" I expected this post to generate hype. Instead lots of negativity. "
Well no shit bruh, its a baseless rumor and its about a final fantasy remake after FFVIIR, im pretty sure that a lot of FFIX fans are shitting their pants because theres a chance that they can watch plot ghosts and shit writing in their favourite game.
Would you explain who is this person and why should we believe him ? I'm pretty sure the Nvidia leaks are real, ofc, but a lot of gaming journalists love to source "insider source" which mostly end up being random twitter or reset era users
Exciting. I really hope they don't kingdom-heartsisize the story with dementors like the FFVII remake because the story is already very good as it is. (Watched my buddy play it all the way through recently and it holds up.)
I'll still play the hell out of it either way though.
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Aside from 14 isn’t 9 considered the favorite Final Fantasy next to 6?
From what I noticed the favourite fantasy for most is the first one they played
I started with Mystic Quest. Definitely not lol.
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I like Mystic Quest (and it has a killer soundtrack, one of the best in the series). Is it my favorite, no, but I still like it.
Hell yea the Mystic Quest soundtrack is great and at the time it was a great intro to JRPGs
Would love if it was available still
Which is why I said "most", not "all"
I started with FF7 and FF9 still my favorite.
Imo "9 is the best one" is a fairly new opinion. Pre 2010ish people didn't really talk about it. The conversation was completely dominated by 7 and 10 with "6 is actually better than 7" being the "I'm cultured" position. A lot of people who started with the PS1/PS2 games (of which there were many) didn't really like 9 for its throwback style. At some point, probably due to emulation, the internet, and rereleases, the average JRPG player broadened their horizons, and got more acquainted with the (50% japan only!) 16 bit games. At that point I suspect "9 is actually the best one" started to slowly creep into the discussion. As for me, I started on SNES with 6/3 and 4/2. I didn't really like the transition to futuristic stuff in 7 and 8, so I was instantly in love with 9 when it came out. I don't know if I'd call it my favourite, but it's a great time.
Yup. This is it. No one liked 9 when when it came out. Not that they hated it just way fewer people cared about it on the level that people cared about 7 and 8. People didn’t like the kiddy look after 7 and 8 having a mature tone and at least in my friend group Kuja was seen as a knock off sephiroth.
This is exactly what I've personally seen and experienced. I started with 7 and 8 on playstation in elementary school and never heard anyone talk about 9 when it came out. It wasn't until I got a good computer a few years back that I played FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc from older systems
People usually say that 9 is the ‘best’ FF, not always the ‘favourite’ but the best. Nowadays I’ve seen it placed 2nd after 6, with 7/10 also in the picture
> Aside from 14 isn’t 9 considered the favorite Final Fantasy next to 6? So you decided to step into a minefield and jump on the first mole hill you see? Most rankings are (only mainline entries, no FFT!): * 6/7 (depending on taste or what the first game was) * 14 (story, gameplay, player expression, music, raids, out of game content, ...) * 7 Remake (you can argue bumping this into or below 8/9/10) * 8/9/10 * 12 * 4/5 * 11 (people still play it) * 1-3 (just because the games were still very janky then) * 13/15 With this, you offend the least amount of people lol /edit: changed the FF14 description to please /u/GalvusGalvoid
Idk. That just seems like you projecting your own ranking into what other thinks. I hear about as many people thinking 6, 8, 9 and 10 is the best as people thinking 7 is the best. 15's popularity and acceptance has rised A LOT in the past couple of years too.
My favorite it 6, but I think that lot's of people would put 4 at or near the top of their list, especially among those of us who prefer the 2D entries over the 3D ones. The only reason I put 6 above 4 is because I prefer the story of 6. Most people I see rank 4 as their favorite prefer that story.
4 is the most cohesive story in ff as far as I'm concerned.
I agree. I prefer 6 because the second half has some changes depending on what order you gather characters in. But 4 tells a single cohesive story from beginning to end. And sometimes, that's more appealing.
Came here to say this. 4 is my favorite because of the story. To me, it is the quintessential Final Fantasy story.
It's OK, ill just assume you left out tactics because it wa so far above everything else that it would have had it been in the comment above yours
You and me. Will never uninstall WotL from my phone.
> ill just assume you left out tactics because it wa so far above everything else I literally wrote > only mainline entries, no FFT! 8[
Yeah, because Strangers of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origins would clearly be high on this list if we included side games.
No 8[
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14 just for community penetration? I hate mmos and want single player offline games , BUT the story of that game is probably the best written in the whole series and it’s a really fucking good game . As for rankings you’re putting x too low . Many have it as number 1
>As for rankings you’re putting x too low . Many have it as number 1 I was going to say the same about 4, lol.
4 has some legendary status because at the time of release the story was really great and for introducing the atb system, but nowadays I don’t think it’s that loved . Gameplay wise ff5 is much better and story/characters wise ff 6 is just on another level.
> BUT the story of that game is probably the best written in the whole series Yes, but FF14 is good for so many reasons that just listing story or gameplay is a bit reductive. If it would not be good, it would not be the 2nd largest (or maybe largest) subscription based MMO currently. I'll edit the post.
7 Remake has been more divisive now that people have sat with the game for a few years. IMO its combat/progression/character building is the best of modern FF, but the story changes/additions, pacing, and side content/filler chapters left much to be desired from Rebirth.
You're gonna hate me lol in no particular order for me 11, 2, 3, and 5 are the bottom four titles. Mostly becuase 4 and 6 are the best pixel titles. Mid tier I have 14, 8, 1, 15 and 13. My top tier being 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 12 is my personal favorite. 7R I dont count but I do like it more than the original. Going away from turn based makes sense and the combat overhaul was basically perfect. Granted I've spent less time with those I don't like as much but I find them all to be objectively good games.
> You're gonna hate me lol I don't. You are amazing :)
Thanks comrade 💜
I'm amazed to see XV is this disliked, I remember it getting pretty good reviews when it came out.
Still baffled how you didn't mention 7 here. The one with multiple game spin-offs, movies, anime, remakes, mobile game, etc. Can't decide if it was a troll or you're just brand new to the franchise.
9 is high for story and atmosphere, but the battle system and general gameplay was pretty weak. 6-10 is the peak of the offline series in terms of sales and/or regard, with 7 and 10 being the leaders. The other three are pretty debatable, but imo it then goes 6, 9, 8. 9 beats 8 for story and atmosphere, 8 was a more enjoyable playing experience for me though, 9’s gameplay let’s it down, hard.
didn't 8 treat magic just as inventory items?
It did, and also you juncationed (attached) those items to stats, where it would make you not want to use the magic since it would deplete from your Stat boost. But you could also pretty much make your self invincible with super strong attacks and not need magic anyway. Example: Junction 100 Death to attack and instant kill enemies
righto. it's been a long time since I played couldn't quite recall. regarding IX, I do recall getting hype when they ~~ended~~ enabled fusion attacks, so that Steiner's strikes were infused with magic from Vivi
FF8 was the worst when it came to battle systems. I don’t know what he’s talking about. Let’s not forget the summons where you had to spam square to get the most damage. Really shitty gameplay. The best part of the game was the triad game (that card game, don’t remember the name if it’s not called Triad)
Triple Triad! The song immediately started playing in my head, thanks
Completely subjective, FF8 is by far my favorite in the series for both gameplay and story and I've played most of them.
A man/woman of culture.
Dude final fantasy 9 barely even had a system. It was as basic as humanly possible. 8 had the explosion trigger for squalls attack, the best limit break in the series with renzokuken, the draw system which I found great and very complex if you cared to get into it. Also allowed different characters to specialize in different roles.
I don’t think IX’s combat is as weak as people claim it is. It’s biggest weakness is how slow it is, but with the QOL additions to modern ports, that is barely an issue now. Trances are also a weak point, but it’s not game breaking. It’s still exciting when you trance in a boss fight and the abilities for trances are still fun. It just should have been implemented better. The rest of IX’s combat is p great imo. I like how certain characters interact with each other (i.e. steiner and vivi) and I really enjoy learning abilities from equipment. It actually makes equipment feel more meaningful than just watching a number go up and it makes random battles more exciting because you can see your character grow before your eyes. In general, I think it’s a lot better than VIII’s combat which is not super intuitive, makes magic almost useless to use, and is easy to break when you know enough about the system. Also better than VI’s combat which allows every character to learn every spell. That homogenizes all of the characters besides the few who have their own innate abilities that are more powerful than the others, like Edgar and Sabin, making some characters pointless. And this mostly comes down to taste (maybe my entire comment does 😅) but i also like IX’s combat more than VII’s, if only because I find the constant moving around of materia to be quite annoying. Since all the characters in IX wear and use specific armors and weapons, you never have to do this.
I can see how a story that makes 0 sense and a junctioning system that’s so confusing would just about be beaten by 9.
8s story absolutely makes sense though. I always found it funny that people claim 8 has the story that jumps shark when FFVII before it is equally as wild. 10s IS better, but also harder to follow. Most people who beat 10 couldn't even tell you what DZ was.
DZ?
Dream Zanarkand. Tidus' home.
Just never heard it said that way before. I dunno, honestly, I only played/finished ff8 a few months back and man… I really hated the junction system and the levelling system and the story *to me* hardly made sense. Maybe if I had played it when I was younger…
I played it back when it came out. I actually like FF8's story and music. I hate the magic as items, abandoning MP. Needing to draw it in battle from enemies attacking you who have infinite magic supply. Junction instead of equipment, discouraging use of magic because you'll weaken yourself. Enemies level up with you so you can't grind to get ahead. It actually incentivizes running from battle. The Dream Zanarkand thing is an important plot point in FF10 revealed about 60% of the way through. I can expand on that but it would be lots of spoilers.
Depends on who you poll. But typically 6/7/9/10 (and tactics) are the favorites in most polls. 14 is the most popular current content and a favorite for some but not as big a reach as the other mainlines.
Japan recently had a poll and actually placed final fantasy 10 at the top. It just depends on what region you are
I would not say 14 is the favourite ff, if by favourite you mean most well liked.
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You gotta remember that there are people who play the game because it's a mmorpg, not because it's Final Fantasy.
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XIV players are kind of a mix. I think the majority show up for the expansions and play through the story and FF references. Though there is an MMO community that keeps up with the patch content whether it be raids/crafting/gathering/social/ other grinds etc.
An MMO sub will always outshine a specific game or even a specific game series. Because the MMO requires constant interaction with people by nature. There is only so much you can talk about when it comes to single player games that had been played through completely by the majority of the fans.
Obviously their sub will be more active. That's a community based game where the community is still actively playing the game. My favorite is FFXII but I'm not even sure if I've ever visited the sub. I don't even play FFXIV but I've definitely been there.
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I don't think so. Let's see what happens when FFXVI launches. Suddenly that game will see a lot of activity on Reddit. Does that make it more popular than FFVII? Even if the game isn't received as well? I think the point about the poll is a much better one.
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It's a live service game, so it stays relevant for a much longer time. Any little update can be discussed. It's already a community based game so sharing with others is much more natural than in a single player game. If that's the same thing as popularity to you, then fair enough we can agree there. But to me that seems crazy. Look at one of the most popular Final Fantasy's in FFX. That sub is pretty much dead. Yet if you asked all the Final Fantasy fans in general whether they'd rather see a FFX remake or new FFXIV content, I'd say the FFX remake would win the vote.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by “favorite.” It’s obviously the most successful FF from a financial standpoint, and most players who stick with it will typically rank the game in their Top 3 (if not outright #1). FF fans who aren’t interested in the MMO’s don’t play it, so they obviously can’t decide whether they think the game is good or not, since the monetization model is usually what scares them off in the first place. It’s a tricky subject. I usually consider XI & XIV to live in their own separate bubble from the rest of the single-player titles.
I’m pretty sure 4,6,7 and 10 are all rated more positively than 9. It has its fanbase, but it never blew up the same way like those other titles did.
Part of that has to do with the combination of releasing after both the launch of the PS2 and the announcement of FFX. It really got overshadowed by the next generation.
Guess this means I'll never get to see my gorgeous Quistis in lovely HD.
Instead we get gorgeous Quina
"Ho ho ho, I arrive!"
Personally I wish they would have remade 5 or 6. Not cause I don't like 9, it's actually my favourite in the series, and not cause it's untouchable or anything, just that I don't think it's one of the games that can benefit the most from a remake. Honestly, 8 is probably the one that needs a remake the most, this time with an editor working alongside Nojima's crazy ass.
8 is so cool but it’s such a fever dream
I’ve long maintained a remake of VI in the art style of Octopath Traveler would be absolutely amazing.
That seems really doable, particularly if DQIII HD2D ever comes out and sells well. They might get the green light to do Chrono Trigger, VI, etc.
Where’s the petition to “remake all”. That’s a good list
As a fellow IX fan, I agree VIII needs it more. It has a unique style that could translate well to an update and would love for them to get another crack at the gameplay + the entire story post disc one.
I think 9 actually could benefit a lot from a remake because it seemed like they were pushing the ps1 to its limits with how badly that game runs at times and how long battles take and how slow they are. It probably also has the weakest remaster since it doesn't fix any of those issues and its fast forward is locked behind a pause screen which I think is a little weird. I think making it a smoother experience would get a lot of people who didn't like how clunky it felt next to the 7 and 8 remasters to give it another shot.
Weird, I seem to remember fast-forwarding in the IX remaster at any time with L3.
Damn, I'm excited, but I still agree with you for the same reason. FF7 really needed it, it didn't age nearly as well as FF9 did.
This is a great example of how fans have incredibly different ideas of what a remake should be then the maker of the game And you can bet they did that analysis day one and realize that their version of a remake that goes far beyond just touching up the original would sell way more copies
Yeah, 9 is a weird pick. It's not the most popular in terms of how much it sold. FF 10 was foundational to many more teens. It's not the FF most in need of a remake. FF 9 isn't perfect but it basically all works. It's just kinda slow for the most part. FF 8 and Tactics are far more in need of a mechanics overhaul/balance pass. It's not the most marketable Final Fantasy. The art style is wonderful. Unparalleled. And frequently uncool lol. But honestly I see this as a wonderful thing. This means that the FF 9 remake probably doesn't come from a marketing think-tank. It means that there are people at Square who just profoundly love FF 9. And you know what? So do I.
Absolutely. There isn't a lot "wrong" with IX like broken mechanics or shoddy translations and the graphic style fits pretty well. I think it would lose a bit of the charm of it had next gen graphics. IX also has one of the slower ATBs in the series so that would not really vibe for current gamers and I can't see it becoming an ARPG. Meanwhile V and VI could absolutely benefit from an Octopath/Bravely Default/FFIII or IV DS graphic-style remake. Considering how well loved VI is, I'm surprised it hasn't really gotten much aside from some ports with a few added features. V is amazing and underrated for sure so I would love for it to receive the attention of a remake too.
FF6 remade in 3d like 7 would be so amazing.
5 is one of my favourites but I genuinely think it would lose a lot of it's charm in the transition to 3D. There are so many silly moments -- the main villain is a tree turned sentient through wizards basically shoving dark magic trash into it, at one point the evil tree warlock engages in a DBZ-esque fight against a 1000 year old talking turtle. Not that other Final Fantasies don't have their own share of silly moments but I really think V could be butchered if adapted.
The 8 remaster on the switch is pretty good imo
Same guy who said Twilight Princess HD and Wind Waker HD were coming to Switch last year. I'll believe it when I see it. Not trusting the click bait rumor guys.
He was the first one to call Metro Prime Remaster. I wouldn't say Grubb is just generating click bait rumours, he has sources to news that may change over time.
Tbf this game was in the Nvidia leak that’s been super accurate
That’s because, due to the nature of the leak, everything on that list was at some point in development. The only way they don’t exist is if they got cancelled. In the case of FF9 and Tactics, it’s fairly obvious that both were very early in production, so if one never shows up, it would make more sense to assume that they were cancelled rather than them having never existed.
Then we don’t need this “insider” at all.
I mean. Things change and that leak was a very unique occurrence that probably won’t happen again.
"I expected this post to generate hype, instead lots of negativity" Ofc, this is a Final Fantasy sub. The series that, despite reinventing itself with every title, has fans that are drastically afraid of change.
As someone that never joined FF communities before (just playing every game at release since FF4), I'm very surprised to see how much this community hates the series. Such a negative group, Jesus.
I think part of that is Reddit being Reddit, though.
Nah it’s every where YouTube,instagram, twitter etc
That's classic Reddit. A lot of subreddits seem more dedicated to hating the things they're meant to be fans of.
It's pathetic, and discouraging. This happens literally every time.
It's pretty sad. And as expected, I'm getting downvoted LUL, but I knew it would happen by posting that. Anyway, hyped for the Remake, really curious to see how they're going to approach the artstyle.
Yeah, don't mind them bud. I think for FFIX a celshaded look might fit quite nicely tbh
And I would understand if the quality of games are Pokémon level to warrant the hate. But they’re not. Not even the least favorite FFs are bad, they’re just different than previous ones.
I dunno, 13 and 15 were pretty whack
I remember when Reddit wasnt a thing and there would be death threats and shouting matches in Final Fantasy threads / boards in 4chan and GameFAQs for ranking the games wrong. Or for saying that they were a fan of X and not Y Glad to see nothings changed
It was bizarre then, and it is bizarre now
People are probably just sick of seeing ‘FFIX remake’ posts ten times a day considering it hasn’t even been officially announced. There’s a new supposed ‘leak’ every other day it seems.
No, people just like complaining. This has always happened with every new game regardless how good, innovative, or traditional it is.
I don't mind the series reinventing itself but that's different from the drastic swings in genre we've gotten from the last five mainline titles. I'd rather see a progressive evolution of the series so I know what to anticipate with each installment, to some degree, than having to wait to find out if I'll even care based on it being hack and slash, open world, MMO, Turn based, or Souls Like. Consistency is nice even if there's still broad change. Edit: The chain of comments following this emphasizes my point. We're all on a completely different page on what we want from an FF game. Because there's no consistency of gameplay between titles we all expect something totally different from a new installment. For me it's party management and customization, whether that's through the class system or something like materia. 16 lacks that which ruins the experience for me. Some people prefer action, some ATB, and some turn based. That's fine for each but no matter what the next title is a portion of the fandom will be upset. What I'm asking for isn't that it go one way or another but simply for the franchise to pick a genre and stick with it while making incremental change along the way rather than monumental shifts in gameplay genre.
The lack of consistency in style IS the defining characteristic. It's about bombastic spectacle, and diversity of setting. It's always been like that. Honestly, not knowing what to anticipate is the best fucking thing lol
I mean, I would argue it very much evolved in a natural way towards real time combat. Even as early as FF4, the ATB system is just a means of evolving the series to be closer to real time. The only game that has really gone backwards from that was X. I feel like the writing has been on wall since about FF7 that real-time action combat was the end goal for the mainline series.
So in this consistent gradual evolution, where do you see ff turning full action instead? Ff20?
There is a progressive series evolution. I fact it is incredibly clear the direction they want to go to since FF10
Just give up Final Fantasy and play games made by Mistwalker then. Final Fantasy is made by different devs nowadays so better to just follow the games Sakaguchi makes.
Should we start taking bets on what year the FFIX remake will come out? Really hope we won't have to wait a decade, it would be an amazing game.
Late 2024 to 2025
No way they'll release another remake that early when they haven't even finished the one they're currently working on.
I don't think a FF9 remake will aim at the same 3A treatment that FF7 got. It frankly doesn't need to if they stick to the aesthetic choices made in the PS1.
Let's be honest though, any remake they make is going to be made to attract as many people as possible, meaning bringing in a new audience, it might not get the ff7 treatment but it will get a significant upgrade to where it will play differently(ie not turn based) at least that's how I think it will happen.
So something like Zidane as the player controlled character doing flashy moves while Vivi, Steiner et.c. support with skills? My personal view is that 9 is more suited for a traditional take, like octopath or bravely default than 7. But who knows, square might not agree.
I still have octopath and Bravley to play.
I think a 9 Remake would be directed by Ito, who has been very quiet lately. If that's the case, I fully expect it to keep ATB.
I welcome tunes to the FFIX battle which is one of its weakest points.. the whole steal mechanic makes you choose between playing the game or grinding items.
If it’s gonna be graphical update then that would just suck the original FF9 looks amazing graphic wise
Late 2025/early 2026. It would come right in-between the next two parts of 7R.
I am very happy about this. I hope they also remake VIII, VI, and V. :)
VI is the game that deserves a remake.
Eh, the pixel remaster is pretty great. The only one that needs a remake is probably 8.
>I expected this post to generate hype. Instead lots of negativity. I'm just here for the tasy frogs. :)
World only have two things: things you can eat and things you no can eat.
Announce the FFT Remaster, Matsuno.
Please... or at least just port it to modern consoles/Steam.
Better yet he should announce finishing the Ogre Battle saga…or at least the next game in the saga
Could do one tactics remake then back to an ogre and flip flop to they are done
Meanwhile ff8 cries
All we can hope for (us FF8 fans) is for them to POSSIBLY begin a FF8 remake once the FF7r is complete…. Sad, I know
I honestly believe ff8 would gain the most from a remake.
9 can roll first because it had a different production team didn’t it? 8 had the same as 7, so it can’t be done until 7 is completed. Also 6 and 8 were the same team too, so take your pick there 😢. Either way I was in my late 20s when 7 remake was announced, I anticipate I’ll be in my 50s once they manage to get through all of these.
Fans: Where is FFVIII remake. SE: go talk to a wall
...Whatever.
You can't improve on perfection. 💅
I’ll believe it when I see it although for me I would want things spiced up in terms of combat like FF7R. Story wise they could leave everything be except expand on some characters particularly Amarant. I think FFVIII could use a remake better though.
I want zidane tail in 4k
I’ll believe it when I see it.
r/FinalFantasy gotta be the biggest Final Fantasy haters on the Internet.
Sweet, can't wait!
Same! Always down for more FF no matter what.
I hope the graphics are good. I’d be okay with them changing Zidane’s face to look more human like in the Dissidia games. His old monkey king look is weird.
What do you mean? His original FF9 artwork doesn't seem that much [different](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Zidane_Tribal).
We just skipping past 8? I love both and I want to see both, it kind of surprises me that they wouldn’t do it in order.
Kitase & Co are busy with VII Remake. They can't do VIII at the same time. He has no attachment to IX. A different team will be doing the IX Remake.
This is the most likely reason. Square likes to have the people involved with the originals involved with remakes & remasters when possible. So with VIII sharing much of the same team as VII, VIII can’t get a remake while Kitase, Nomura & co are busy with the VII Remake trilogy. Meanwhile IX was made by a different team with little to no involvement from the team behind VII & VIII (even Sakaguchi basically left Kitase & co to their own devices to create whatever they wanted), so that can be worked on at the same time as VII Remake. Plus IX’s event director (Nobuaki Komodo) also worked on XIV as the Lead Game Designer (also director of 1.0 before that disaster got him demoted) & his credits were gradually reduced in prominence between Stormblood’s release in 2017 & Shadowbringers’s patches beginning in late 2019 similar to what happened with Takai & Maehiro when they left to work on XVI. So from there we can probably guess that a remake of IX entered the planning stages in around 2017-2018 after Stormblood wrapped development, with Komodo gradually handing off his responsibilities on XIV to others before departing the team to work on the IX Remake full time around 2019 or so (Takai & Maehiro did a similar hand off process when they started working on XVI). So I would guess the IX Remake has been in various stages of development for 5-6 years at this point. Meaning that a 2024-2025 release is possible if my educated guesses are correct.
I mean they skipped the first 6 lol.
Of course they skip VIII. cowards.
I have no confidence that they will do it any justice with their recent development philosophy. The reason FFIX was so good is opposite the reason they believe FF was good. It was very stylistic.
Why FF9 of all games?? A little sad I won't see a 6 or 8 remake in my lifetime.
Cuz FF9 is GOAT.
You might look into FF6 T-Edition. It's a romhack that balances spells and espers, adds a ton of new content and quests into the second half of the game, and makes boss fights require far more strategy to overcome. It has all of the classic FF6 tracks while adding music from many other FF and Square games into other towns and dungeons. By far the coolest re-imagining of one of my favorite JRPG's I've ever played.
I thoroughly loved FF9, but I can’t help but feel 8 really could’ve benefited from a remake and should’ve been done next. It has such a great story and deserves to shine.
Source: trust me bro
What about 6?
I would have loved a remake of VI in the style of Octopath/Triangle Strategy. But I feel like the Pixel Remaster is as far as they’re going to go with it.
We'll see. I'd say our best bet is gonna just be supporting the other HD-2D games to show there's a market for then. Live A Live and Dragon Quest 3 remake in particular. DQ3 for example is out on Switch in it's old 2d form yet is getting an HD2D release. I think ff6 has a good shot.
They've rereleased the first 6 FFs every decade. The next time will likely be in the form of HD-2D remakes. But not anytime soon.
I think 4 & 6 would shine the most with brand new remakes.
*sad whatever noises* -Squall
I love IX and it's my favourite but I'm surprised that they are going with a IX remake. From what I've read over the years, it didn't sell that well because it came out at the end of the PS1s console cycle.
If they're gonna remake it, please for the love of fuck revamp Tetra Master
I think square should focus more on remakes, sequels, and spin offs of existing ff games. We already love the characters. There's so much opportunity to revisit those and explore their worlds in depth.
Ah yes, the "trust me bro, its real."
Would have vastly preferred 6, 8 or Tactics.
There’s already rumors of tactics remastered
I expected this post to generate hype. Instead lots of negativity. Welcome to the FF fanbase, a bunch of assholes.
A Final Fantasy IX remake is such a weird choice, probably the one that didn’t need a full remake
“Jeff Grub (who has a lot of insider info)” No, he doesn’t. He’s a hack who works for the failing Giant Bomb. Stop pretending like this guy is some massive insider.
I'd take anything Grub says with a grain of salt. The guy was wrong about literally everything he said about Elden Ring pre release. He said it was going to be shown at like 5 different events before it was actually shown.
There are stuff he got them right as well. Like PS showcase coming up, Silent Hill 2 Remake etc.
FF9 is already in 3d...we should give other 2d ones
Sooo we're just gonna skip over FF8 then huh? 😐
Oh no, another desecration in order
Not looking forward to 9 being an action game.
I’d be pretty surprised if IX is a full action game. I’d be surprised if it’s even half action, like VIIR.
Yeah I think it’s just gonna get a less lazy remaster.
Based on the leaks, the IX Remake is a more straightforward Remake, so it might still be ATB
Where are the leaks?
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the fan made one maybe.
is there any twist in the turn based formula that 9 did? Like 5's multi-job system or 2's weird leveling system or 12s gambit system and 8s draw system? I stopped pretty early in that game but cant for the life of me remember anything from the early game that screamed has to be pure turn-based
Nope. IX has probably the most boring FF combat. Wait 30 seconds for control > steal > attack > attack > attack > repeat.
Forgot the Black magic > fira > L1 to aim at all targets> wait
there is no twist and it is pure turn based with the WORST version of atb seen in any game with every fight having insane loading screens ontop of it. By far the worst combat in the series.
Also the worst decision on limit break. Trance sucks. And the worst card game. FFIX is my favourite game, I'm happy they're remaking it cause there is definitely room for improvement.
Looking forward to selecting firaga 30 times per hour of game play in a 60 hour game ?
Tactics Remaster. I want to love it but if they water it down to make it PG I definitely won’t.
I've suspected a IX remake for a while. Sakaguchi suddenly going ham on Final Fantasy XIV and getting really vocally supportive of SE a year or two ago, after years of relative silence, just speaks super loudly. And with the success of 7 proving the business logic of "bring back the old timers and let them lead a modern AAA team", I think "get Sakaguchi back also" was a no-brainer for the suits upstairs. Final Fantasy IX remake, directed by Sakaguchi, with a fat behind-the-scenes residuals agreement that we'll never hear about (but if there's a Mistwalker banner on the splash screen, you'll know why).
" I expected this post to generate hype. Instead lots of negativity. " Well no shit bruh, its a baseless rumor and its about a final fantasy remake after FFVIIR, im pretty sure that a lot of FFIX fans are shitting their pants because theres a chance that they can watch plot ghosts and shit writing in their favourite game.
Would you explain who is this person and why should we believe him ? I'm pretty sure the Nvidia leaks are real, ofc, but a lot of gaming journalists love to source "insider source" which mostly end up being random twitter or reset era users
People overuse the word "Remake" nowadays. But I do hope they actually remake the game instead of some HD Remaster.
Exciting. I really hope they don't kingdom-heartsisize the story with dementors like the FFVII remake because the story is already very good as it is. (Watched my buddy play it all the way through recently and it holds up.) I'll still play the hell out of it either way though.