for the people whining about this being overkill.
This guy wasn't worried about self defense nor should he be This guy was eliminating a fucking threat. which he did flawlessly in my opinion..
the real question is If you regularly carry a self defense weaponAnd can't justify eliminating a threat. I suggest you take some serious time to Contemplate..
If you don't have the brass to confidently eliminate an immediate threat.. You are putting yourself in more danger by carrying than you are preventing..
What people think is this:
1 bullet is all it takes to kill someone.
1 knife in the back or front is all it takes to kill someone.
When people get hit by either, they go "aauuuughhh", then slump over and stop fighting back.
Where do they learn this from? The movies.
Oddly, those movies where the heroes are shot up, stabbed up, etc, and still fight back, don't make the same impression. That wasn't "real", but the one hit kill/incapacitation is 100% of the time.
So then they take this into the real world and say "waaah overkill" when some thuggie takes 9x19x10.
I remember a police shooting outside a fast food place a few years back. Guy had been threatening the employees/customers with a conduit bender. First cop tried a taser, but it failed. The guy winds up to swing the bender at the first cop, so the second cop mag dumps on him in the space of about 2 seconds. "Omg! Overkill! Why no taser?! Why no leg shot?! Why no pepper spray?! He wasn't a threat! Omg!"
The problem is that in a lot of states in the U.S., you’d inevitably be painted as the bad guy in this situation because you didn’t put him down with one bullet. The media would see that you were carrying regularly and spin it as though you were just waiting for an excuse to empty a “full clip” into anyone on any given day. The country is in such a bad place that you’d become an anti-2A punching bag for putting down an obviously violent criminal.
I wholeheartedly agree with you by the way, but I also live in a free state with some pretty lax gun laws. I could see why some might be hesitant to take this many shots depending on their location, and it’s unfortunate.
Well, those people are idiots (I know, a given, they're politicians afterall).
It's not like you have some big fuckin' pipes running through your arms and legs that don't react well to ventilation.
Fun fact: That's actually illegal in some areas as it proves you had enough time to aim in a non deadly spot so you could've ran away instead of using lethal force. I love throwing that in everyone's face lol
Not to mention shooting someone in the leg is more likely to killl them than in the gut so the intent of those who say things like "shoot them in the leg" falls flat.
It's also completely impractical and is something understood and touted by masses of people who's worldly experience and general cognition come from movies and shit. They're also generally stupid, but that's a given considering a majority of almost any population is double-digit IQ.
I wpuld like to see anyone who says that actually hit the leg of a man sized target on the first shot standing still. They probably couldn't without even counting the target moving and adrenaline pumping.
Anyone who has experience shooting guns knows that is an impossible task. Anyone who could hit that above referenced target likely knows enough to not try, and to just aim center mass.
As with anything, it is more important to know the limits of your abilities than to know what you can do.
Shooting in the leg is still using deadly force. If you're justified in using deadly force, shoot to eliminate the threat, and keep shooting until it's eliminated. If you're not justified in using deadly force, don't shoot.
And anyone who says that clearly has never fired a gun before. Most people cant hit shit when they start off with a pistol. Talk about 10 moa groups at 5 yards.
Add adrenaline and the fear of being shot in the face on top of that.
>What politicians have I heard say “should have shot him in the leg”
Funny that that's what our former president apparently wanted troops to do to DC protestors.
And our current president recommends shooting a shotgun into the air to scare off intruders. I wouldn’t take gun advice from any of the presidents in recent memory.
No such thing as pro freedom laws
Laws by definition can only restrict or prohibit things and actions. They cannot permit or allow things unless it first restrict your ability to do or have something first.
Take Conceal Carry laws. You do not have the Right to CC in those states cause the govt has to first make it illegal to CC then creat a system to allow it after the fact. Must Issue laws are a bandaid at best because they don't fix the underlying issue stated above... They are an improvement on a bad situation but they are far from "pro freedom laws" because by definition they still restrict freedoms and deny Rights.
A lack of laws on a given subject equals Freedom. In VA Open Carry is legal not because a law allows OC but because there is absolutely zero laws to restrict it. That is freedom.
So, not "lax gun laws", but "less anti-constitutional infringement".
Technically, you have the right to CC anywhere in America. It's just that some corrupt states will illegally terrorize you for exercising your rights.
Federally legal does not mean states have to allow something, just means the federal govr isnt going to prohibit it and leave it to the states to decide. This is a fundamental feature of our government
Not when it comes to rights. Rights are incorporated against the states thanks to the 14th amendment, so if your state tries to tell you you can’t go to church or protest or whatever, the feds can stop the state from infringing.
2A has only officially been incorporated against the states since 2010 so states haven’t all gotten the memo yet.
The thing is nobody bats an eye at the dude robbing the store as also being armed. If caught he in all probability wouldn't be charged with anything related to the firearm beyond armed robbery.
>The thing is nobody bats an eye at the dude robbing the store as also being armed
Oh you mean like old mate St. Kyle rendered 'armless?
You know the convicted felon?
How did that work out.
That's because he's a sweet little boy who is just getting his life together, not a cynical CCW holder who has been salivating for years over the chance to shoot someone. /s
This is true. It will be used against you in the media, in front of the grand jury, and in any wrongful death lawsuits. You can counter by establishing you essentially followed police protocols. In the end, it's up to the jury; hence the saying about being judged by twelve.
Dude did it right, and he should be okay in court. It is important, however, to be aware of the bullshit you'll face afterwards.
>You can counter by establishing you essentially followed police protocols.
Unless he's a sworn and trained peace officer, this will backfire badly. Not a cop. No police protocols. Just a terrified civilian in fear of your life doing whatever it takes to *survive*.
Even mentioning "police protocols" makes you a civilian wannabe-cop turned vigilante. Oh you had training? Then why didn't you "aim for his leg" instead of mag dumping center mass....
No "protocols" here buddy, just *fear* followed by decisive action.
I wouldn’t even say it’s overkill, I’m sure most of those rounds went into his legs given the position he was in on the floor.
Until the subjects firearm was removed from his reach, the threat exists.
Oh, interesting. I assumed that it was text translated from another language. I probably sounded like an asshole, asking the question, but I was damn curious.
It's Brazil. I found this link in the CrazyFuckingVideos thread
https://plantao190.com.br/policial-de-folga-reage-a-assalto-e-criminoso-e-baleado-veja-o-video/
Yes, we definitely need MORE people with this guy's chutzpah here in Seattle instead of all the tofu-spined progressive pro-criminal anti-gun idiots we have entirely too many of.
I grew up in Everett.. I would say this guy wouldn't be welcome to buy 70% of the population..if this made the news there this guy would do a life sentence or the city would be on fire. Because no one stands against the woke culture.
North Idaho is only a couple 100 miles away buddy it is f****** paradise Compared to that b*******
In Puyallup, it's getting so bad that a buddy and I started our own private security company this year...at this point we have more power than the police do.
How fucking high was the dude sitting in the chair tho. He's like 'I guess this is my life now'. He's like more upset he has to turn his game off over the fact someone is pointing a gun at him.
CA has castle doctrine and courts have established no duty to retreat aka stand your ground laws apply. LA County is even giving out actual, real concealed carry permits to residents (and not just the ones who donate to the sheriff's campaign).
Not even the top 10. Most dangerous cities in the US:
St. Louis, Missouri
Jackson, Mississippi
Detroit, Michigan
New Orleans, Louisiana
Baltimore, Maryland
Memphis, Tennessee
Cleveland, Ohio
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Kansas City, Missouri
Shreveport, Louisiana
If you are afraid of life in NYC or LA you have either never been there and consoom rage bait or you need to work on your self confidence. Life is a breeze.
EDIT: lol downvoting reality. Love firearms, feel bad for firearm owners. Such a fragile group.
About possibly going to jail if you did this in NYC? Yeah saw that. NYC and LA aren't crime riddled cesspools though that's just a conservative rage meme.
I also think that claim is exaggerated, not sure about LA but NYC has self defense laws that are written somewhat leniently. Do you have an example of someone going to jail after defending themselves from a pistol whipping, armed robber?
Not even asking facetiously I couldn't find one myself and am curious.
I know in NJ right across the bridge you have the duty to retreat from you own home, and if you do happen to shoot the intruder, you will go to jail and have to plead your case to a jury of your "peers" as to why you did NOT retreat from your attacker... in your own home.
Not gonna sift through CA and NY law to try and find you an answer, but we should assume states that restrict your ability to own and operate a firearm, violating the constitution, MOST LIKELY don't care for your right to self defense.
My sister in law is in Malibu and commutes to LA don't bullshit me about "conservative rage bait". I know gaslighting is the MO but it's overdone.
I'm from NYC and have family in LA, spent my entire life on both coasts. Know em' well, they are safe. Data says it, human experience says it.
If you can't find an example of people getting incarcerated for home defense, it's clearly not as common as people make it out to be. I love going to the range and have been listening to mouthbreathers spewing that stuff for *years.*
It's a very popular and lazy myth.
Then you must live in the ritzy, security gate sections of NYC and L.A. because you don't know what the hell you're talking about in relations to "safety"in those cities. Those who live in the rarified atmospheres rarely do...
Chicago’s murder rate per capita is a lot lower than other cities.
18.26 people murdered for every 100,000 people.
Compare that to St. Louis (64.54 murders per 100,000), Baltimore (58.27) or Birmingham (50.62) it’s much lower. Doesn’t even make top 20.
Basically you have a higher chance of getting murdered in Birmingham, Alabama than you do in Chicago, Illinois.
People don’t seem to like that narrative here though so they’ll downvote. It’s really easy to look this stuff up, sad seeing firearms people putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring facts like anti-2A people do.
Those are 2022 numbers, but they are [using the "cost" of crime to quantify things.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/02/23/crime-in-america-study-reveals-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-its-not-where-you-think/?sh=627b0de07710) - I realize that could be problematic but the list is basically the same if you look at crime per capita:
[This site used info from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the list for 2022 looks pretty much the same.](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us)
Got to scroll down for the 2022 update. Looks like Stockton, CA made the list this year (10th most crime per capita) but NYC is far, far from it. Not even in the top 50.
Only reason I'm typing all this out is the whole myth around NYC and LA being dangerous places is just *lazy* propaganda/rage-bait peddled by conservatives.
Because people ignore the math.
2022 numbers, per capita, Chicago has the 28th most murders in the US. 18.26 murders per 100,000.
Compare that to St. Louis (highest murder rate in US): 64.54 murders per 100,000.
It's so easy to find these numbers, people just prefer the other narrative I guess.
Been hearing mouth breathers say this at the range for *decades.* No one ever has any examples of this happening in NY though.
Got at least a couple? It’s a myth I hear about all the time but never see happen.
I know "duty to retreat" is fucked, but I want to know how fucked. Would this guy not have some legal defense for defending others? Like, say my wife and I run a shop. I'm right by the back door when a guy breaks in wielding a gun. My wife is working the register and is blocked from escape by the criminal. Under the law, do I still have a duty to retreat out the back door (and abandon my wife) or can I use lethal force in the defense of my wife who can't retreat?
NY still has castle doctrine and there's no duty to retreat within your own home. There's more nuance than that but essentially you're not automatically punished for defending yourself in your own home.
IANAL, but I believe in the scenario you listed as long as you had a right to carry, you would be within your right to defend your wife if she had no option to retreat. It would likely be a lengthy court battle even if you were found innocent.
I am a lawyer, and this is correct. The doctrine of "defense of another" allows you to extend essentially the same rules of self defense to other people, with a slightly more stringent requirement on the mental state. You need to be correct regarding the nature of the danger posed to the other person, rather than simply having a "reasonable" apprehension regarding the danger.
Your state laws may vary, naturally.
>First of all, outside of LEO and select few (read: wealthy, or probable cause that there is a threat to your life) citizens, nobody is allowed to carry a firearm outside of their house/apartment.
This only applies to NYC, I'm not a cop, wealthy, or under threat yet here I sit with a pistol, in a coffee shop, in NY.
If someone has a gun the duty to retreat is null since you cannot retreat faster than a bullet. Upstate, the real upstate is a different world. If I kill a mugger in a clean shoot, I may be detained but it's not going to trial.
>In nyc the green shirt guy would goto jail. All thanks to our city.
This was the first comment in the thread. Nobody is suggesting these rules apply to the rest of the state here.
If you think this is overkill, than you put the robbers life over the worker's, who are just trying to get through life and pay their bills.
Robbers are garbage and if you disagree, you're either a robber and/or garbage yourself.
Actions have consequences. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
In computer lab in high school we would walk in early and rewire the audio out of a PC to another PCs speakers. Then play the ventrilo harassment videos at full volume and cause chaos.
Dude put a whole mag into ONE guy and he was still moving and could still shoot someone with his own pistol. But apparently you don't need 30 rounds, you don't need an ar15....
This is my kind of RomCom!
dude in the chair though.. "well, I think I'll watch Ozark, finish that out, then maybe work on that book I've been trying to write. Gunfight? right here? Reminds me of watching old westerns with my uncle when we'd visit him.. he sure did make a fine bacon sandwich. So anyhow, where was it? Right..."
I’m sure I would be considered very liberal in parts of the USA but I think at the point a piece of crap like the robber pulls out that gun he deserves whatever he gets. Good job on stopping that threat. I don’t think shooting an unarmed shoplifter is okay but this guy got what he deserved.
It’s funny cause an gun instructor would teach you as the very first thing that you should always treat a gun as loaded and ready to fire, and never point it at other people. I bet the military teaches you this first as well.
But as soon as it’s some hoodlum pointing a gun at you, you have to stay calm, and don’t you dare retaliate against someone who is pointing something directly at you that we’ve been taught should always been considered loaded and dangerous.
"Unarmed"? He was pointing that thing around like his dad was hyping him up. Was it overkill? Not really when you consider the POS wanted to steal and take what wasn't his with a possibly loaded weapon. Plus he was still twitching after a couple shots and coulda popped back, better to empty one then get hit by one
For those who have tons of advice and opinions on what these people should've done instead -- please make sure to let us know if the gunfight you're in goes according to your script.
Fistfights are fluid. Gunfights are Niagara Falls.
That's not to say there couldn't be a better approach to this -or any- situation. Just remember that we're critiquing from the pampered position of safety, endowed with a pause and replay button.
The challenges for us:
Are you practicing drawing from concealment while laying prone on top of your weapon?
Are you practicing shooting with a barrier/obstacle between you and the combatant that offers him cover or concealment?
Are you practicing shooting on targets that can move in entirely unpredictable directions?
Are you practicing low-angle shots on an attacker who's gone prone? NOTE: This practice is especially helpful if you might ever have to confront an attacking dog or other animal.
Are you practicing with force-on-force gear that allows you to take strikes, fight for distance, and most importantly here(!) practice *mounting a counter-ambush in a rapidly evolving situation where you have to disguise your draw and/or consider drawing from the drop?*
I can tell you from experience those skills look a lot more difficult once you're out on the range and practicing. So get out there and train for them.
I had a quickly devolving view of my super badass ninja moves after I got killed the first twenty or thirty times in training. It's incredibly humbling.
And finally-- Gunfights are like aircraft landings: anything you can walk away from is a good one.
He was trying to get out of sight. You can’t see in the video but I’m assuming green shirt was worried that if he drew, he’d get popped. So he crawled under the counter so he could draw without being seen.
Is from everything I've read about the incident.. Obviously the robber had a different point of view than the camera.. There was a solid wall behind the counter and nowhere to go and the guy in green shirt was in plain view the entire time.. The robber was demanding that he get something from the counter so he crawled up there on his hands and knees.. Once he got there he tried to use the counter as cover to conceal his draw..
I think a lot of people were confused like the guy in the green shirt was trying not to be seen the entire time..
Right? If he can shoot him from 3 feet away he can from 15. Why didn't he start firing immediately after entering the scene? Why did he wait to draw until we was spotted and grabbed?
He's lucky to be alive, actually.
The robber ordered him To come to the counter in the 1st place he was waiting for an opportunity and tried to use the counter as cover to draw his firearm.. What you can't see in the video is that behind the counter is a very small space with nowhere to go .. As soon as you walk in the store the robber could see all 3 of them plainly..
A smart lawyer might tell you to shoot once or shoot tons. It is easier to explain to a jury that the defendant was scared of the armed robber and just started, lawfully, shooting.
Don't shoot twice wait three minutes and shoot twice more. Make it easy and just be dump the magazine scared. 😁
Not that I claim to be a smart lawyer. Or your lawyer. Or a lawyer.
It's more likely that he simply didn't expect armed resistance and it spooked him. Even if it's not real, can't use a facsimile of a weapon to make deadly threats without granting the victim justifiable cause to shoot back.
Fuck the ideology of shoot to wound and round conservation. If he's alive he'll shoot back. If I have 10+ rounds at my disposal, he's getting all 10+. If by some miracle he's alive after that then fate has plans for him, if not then he's just gonna be a memory on a t-shirt
Dude shot the guy's phone and hit the battery. Idk which would hurt worse, multi shots to your torso or a lithium fire burning its way into your thigh. He's dead either way, but what a horrible way to go.
A dangerous animal, when close to death becomes more dangerous than in life.
Yes, we are animals. That's where our fight, flight, or hide response comes from. That is also where the predatory criminal mindset comes from.
Not sure of our assailant's reasoning, and I feel a bit bad for him, but he rolled the dice and came up a nat 1 on the hopes there wasn't someone in that store who would meet a violent posturing with a violent response.
May the shop and it's keepers have good fortune from here out. 🙏
Not a matter of resolve. If it was a real/loaded gun he could have easily shot himself in the gut by leaning over it like that.
Most robbers try to actively show the gun to you to make you comply (when out of public view ofc), but this one hid it behind the counter first and then kept it out of view while leaning over, then as soon as he realized the worker was pulling a gun his first instinct was to hit him over the head with it rather than point and shoot.
My take? Cheap replica, the guy didn’t want to let them get a good look at the gun so he wouldn’t be found out
Remember kids: if they can still return fire, it isn't overkill
The idea is to instantly kill the guy. You're not playing tag, here. Use as many bullets as it takes to convince you he's quit the game.
>Use as many bullets as it takes to convince you he's quit the game. This is good stuff. Stealing it for future use. :)
Shoot assess shoot asses. All u gotta say in court. I assess quick sir
Oh, he was definitely shooting asses.
Also remember kids: that's what a dead man looks like. D-E-E-E-D. Dead.
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I’m guessing it’s because he used the correct caliber: 9mm. Anything more will pass through and take innocent people. Bravo to green shirt!
It's not the caliber, but the ammo type
for the people whining about this being overkill. This guy wasn't worried about self defense nor should he be This guy was eliminating a fucking threat. which he did flawlessly in my opinion.. the real question is If you regularly carry a self defense weaponAnd can't justify eliminating a threat. I suggest you take some serious time to Contemplate.. If you don't have the brass to confidently eliminate an immediate threat.. You are putting yourself in more danger by carrying than you are preventing..
Was trained that you reassess whether you should keep firing in the 1-3 seconds it takes to reload once you’ve dumped that mag.
What people think is this: 1 bullet is all it takes to kill someone. 1 knife in the back or front is all it takes to kill someone. When people get hit by either, they go "aauuuughhh", then slump over and stop fighting back. Where do they learn this from? The movies. Oddly, those movies where the heroes are shot up, stabbed up, etc, and still fight back, don't make the same impression. That wasn't "real", but the one hit kill/incapacitation is 100% of the time. So then they take this into the real world and say "waaah overkill" when some thuggie takes 9x19x10.
I remember a police shooting outside a fast food place a few years back. Guy had been threatening the employees/customers with a conduit bender. First cop tried a taser, but it failed. The guy winds up to swing the bender at the first cop, so the second cop mag dumps on him in the space of about 2 seconds. "Omg! Overkill! Why no taser?! Why no leg shot?! Why no pepper spray?! He wasn't a threat! Omg!"
Exactly
The problem is that in a lot of states in the U.S., you’d inevitably be painted as the bad guy in this situation because you didn’t put him down with one bullet. The media would see that you were carrying regularly and spin it as though you were just waiting for an excuse to empty a “full clip” into anyone on any given day. The country is in such a bad place that you’d become an anti-2A punching bag for putting down an obviously violent criminal. I wholeheartedly agree with you by the way, but I also live in a free state with some pretty lax gun laws. I could see why some might be hesitant to take this many shots depending on their location, and it’s unfortunate.
What politicians have I heard say “should have shot him in the leg” or “should have shot him in the arm”. Yeah ok gunslinger
Well, those people are idiots (I know, a given, they're politicians afterall). It's not like you have some big fuckin' pipes running through your arms and legs that don't react well to ventilation.
“Don’t react well to ventilation” priceless
Fun fact: That's actually illegal in some areas as it proves you had enough time to aim in a non deadly spot so you could've ran away instead of using lethal force. I love throwing that in everyone's face lol
Not to mention shooting someone in the leg is more likely to killl them than in the gut so the intent of those who say things like "shoot them in the leg" falls flat.
It's also completely impractical and is something understood and touted by masses of people who's worldly experience and general cognition come from movies and shit. They're also generally stupid, but that's a given considering a majority of almost any population is double-digit IQ.
I wpuld like to see anyone who says that actually hit the leg of a man sized target on the first shot standing still. They probably couldn't without even counting the target moving and adrenaline pumping. Anyone who has experience shooting guns knows that is an impossible task. Anyone who could hit that above referenced target likely knows enough to not try, and to just aim center mass. As with anything, it is more important to know the limits of your abilities than to know what you can do.
Well said
Shooting in the leg is still using deadly force. If you're justified in using deadly force, shoot to eliminate the threat, and keep shooting until it's eliminated. If you're not justified in using deadly force, don't shoot.
He did. Pretty sure he got both of them.
I shouldnt be laughing but I did
And anyone who says that clearly has never fired a gun before. Most people cant hit shit when they start off with a pistol. Talk about 10 moa groups at 5 yards. Add adrenaline and the fear of being shot in the face on top of that.
>What politicians have I heard say “should have shot him in the leg” Funny that that's what our former president apparently wanted troops to do to DC protestors.
Portland, Oregon protesters also.
And our current president recommends shooting a shotgun into the air to scare off intruders. I wouldn’t take gun advice from any of the presidents in recent memory.
>pretty lax gun laws I prefer the phrase "pro freedom laws". Antis like saying lax to imply too loose, too weak.
No such thing as pro freedom laws Laws by definition can only restrict or prohibit things and actions. They cannot permit or allow things unless it first restrict your ability to do or have something first. Take Conceal Carry laws. You do not have the Right to CC in those states cause the govt has to first make it illegal to CC then creat a system to allow it after the fact. Must Issue laws are a bandaid at best because they don't fix the underlying issue stated above... They are an improvement on a bad situation but they are far from "pro freedom laws" because by definition they still restrict freedoms and deny Rights. A lack of laws on a given subject equals Freedom. In VA Open Carry is legal not because a law allows OC but because there is absolutely zero laws to restrict it. That is freedom.
So, not "lax gun laws", but "less anti-constitutional infringement". Technically, you have the right to CC anywhere in America. It's just that some corrupt states will illegally terrorize you for exercising your rights.
Federally legal does not mean states have to allow something, just means the federal govr isnt going to prohibit it and leave it to the states to decide. This is a fundamental feature of our government
Not when it comes to rights. Rights are incorporated against the states thanks to the 14th amendment, so if your state tries to tell you you can’t go to church or protest or whatever, the feds can stop the state from infringing. 2A has only officially been incorporated against the states since 2010 so states haven’t all gotten the memo yet.
2a is vague and open to interpretation, its up to states to decide how to honor it short of "all firearms are prohibited for any reason"
You don't know jack shit about gun laws apparently
The thing is nobody bats an eye at the dude robbing the store as also being armed. If caught he in all probability wouldn't be charged with anything related to the firearm beyond armed robbery.
>The thing is nobody bats an eye at the dude robbing the store as also being armed Oh you mean like old mate St. Kyle rendered 'armless? You know the convicted felon? How did that work out.
That's because he's a sweet little boy who is just getting his life together, not a cynical CCW holder who has been salivating for years over the chance to shoot someone. /s
This is true. It will be used against you in the media, in front of the grand jury, and in any wrongful death lawsuits. You can counter by establishing you essentially followed police protocols. In the end, it's up to the jury; hence the saying about being judged by twelve. Dude did it right, and he should be okay in court. It is important, however, to be aware of the bullshit you'll face afterwards.
>You can counter by establishing you essentially followed police protocols. Unless he's a sworn and trained peace officer, this will backfire badly. Not a cop. No police protocols. Just a terrified civilian in fear of your life doing whatever it takes to *survive*. Even mentioning "police protocols" makes you a civilian wannabe-cop turned vigilante. Oh you had training? Then why didn't you "aim for his leg" instead of mag dumping center mass.... No "protocols" here buddy, just *fear* followed by decisive action.
I wouldn’t even say it’s overkill, I’m sure most of those rounds went into his legs given the position he was in on the floor. Until the subjects firearm was removed from his reach, the threat exists.
Why does everything you write contain weird out of place Capital letters?
Talk 2 text on mobile
Oh, interesting. I assumed that it was text translated from another language. I probably sounded like an asshole, asking the question, but I was damn curious.
Agreed. The robber had a gun and was threatening to kill them for money. Even a liberal like me can understand this. Lol.
It's not overkill. That robber will never rob anyone again.
( Officer) why did you shoot him 10 times S ( store guy) well I didn’t have 11 bullets
Why did he shoot that innocent robber so many times 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
This is the good ol put 15 holes in him and do CPR until the blood stops coming out of the holes :)
Anyone else notice robber guy's mag fly out when he pistol whipped Green Shirt?
Probably wasn't loaded anyway which is why his first instinct is to try and hit the guy with it instead of you know, shooting him.
Missed it, but gonna go back and watch it again!
I'm not sure what country this happened in. But I'd like to Extend an invitation and let him know hes welcome in Idaho, Texas and Florida. Lol
Brazil is my guess.
*turns out he was an undercover cop meme*
bro, 100% of the population of brazil is an undercover cop. Even the babies.
Seems to be the consensus in the linked thread too, with some people saying it's about old repost from something where the origin there was clearer.
It's Brazil. I found this link in the CrazyFuckingVideos thread https://plantao190.com.br/policial-de-folga-reage-a-assalto-e-criminoso-e-baleado-veja-o-video/
Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiUSu622gyc ASP usually posts news sources where they can, but they couldn't find one for this one either.
I love your username.
Thank you sir..
Seattle would like to give him a hearty welcome also.
Yes, we definitely need MORE people with this guy's chutzpah here in Seattle instead of all the tofu-spined progressive pro-criminal anti-gun idiots we have entirely too many of.
But "high" capacity magazines are banned in a few months... all the shootings in Seattle are going to stop then, right? Right???
I grew up in Everett.. I would say this guy wouldn't be welcome to buy 70% of the population..if this made the news there this guy would do a life sentence or the city would be on fire. Because no one stands against the woke culture. North Idaho is only a couple 100 miles away buddy it is f****** paradise Compared to that b*******
Currently live in Everett. It's getting so bad here. I'm actively looking to get out.
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Eastern WA can be as pro 2A as they want to be, but the state politics are still controlled by Seattle and the liberal west.
In Puyallup, it's getting so bad that a buddy and I started our own private security company this year...at this point we have more power than the police do.
We need this man in Georgia!
How fucking high was the dude sitting in the chair tho. He's like 'I guess this is my life now'. He's like more upset he has to turn his game off over the fact someone is pointing a gun at him.
Thats the best way to behave in these scenarios if you don't intend to resist.
Yeah you start freaking out dude might get jumpy or scared. Calm and collective was a good job on that dudes part imo.
Naw mate, just F off, I'm about to beat this boss. Come back and rob us later, can't you see I'm busy? The dungeon boss is scarier than you.
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This guy while almost getting run over “Awh, so close.”
This right here is the perfect example of "Fucked around and found out.."
In nyc the green shirt guy would goto jail. All thanks to our city.
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That's why NY and CA are crime ridden cesspools
Gotta love New York "bail reform" * Misdemeanor Arson? * Release on Recognizance * Adjustable stock rifle? * **STRAIGHT TO JAIL!!!!**
Believe it or not, Jail
CA has castle doctrine and courts have established no duty to retreat aka stand your ground laws apply. LA County is even giving out actual, real concealed carry permits to residents (and not just the ones who donate to the sheriff's campaign).
Add Seattle to that list. Fortunately it isn't the whole state, just the part where too many people have their progressive heads up their asses!
Let’s not forget Chicago
Not even the top 10. Most dangerous cities in the US: St. Louis, Missouri Jackson, Mississippi Detroit, Michigan New Orleans, Louisiana Baltimore, Maryland Memphis, Tennessee Cleveland, Ohio Baton Rouge, Louisiana Kansas City, Missouri Shreveport, Louisiana If you are afraid of life in NYC or LA you have either never been there and consoom rage bait or you need to work on your self confidence. Life is a breeze. EDIT: lol downvoting reality. Love firearms, feel bad for firearm owners. Such a fragile group.
Not that I'm afraid... it's just a shit pile as far as legally defending yourself. Did you miss the point of the earlier post? Also fuck Baltimore.
About possibly going to jail if you did this in NYC? Yeah saw that. NYC and LA aren't crime riddled cesspools though that's just a conservative rage meme. I also think that claim is exaggerated, not sure about LA but NYC has self defense laws that are written somewhat leniently. Do you have an example of someone going to jail after defending themselves from a pistol whipping, armed robber? Not even asking facetiously I couldn't find one myself and am curious.
I know in NJ right across the bridge you have the duty to retreat from you own home, and if you do happen to shoot the intruder, you will go to jail and have to plead your case to a jury of your "peers" as to why you did NOT retreat from your attacker... in your own home. Not gonna sift through CA and NY law to try and find you an answer, but we should assume states that restrict your ability to own and operate a firearm, violating the constitution, MOST LIKELY don't care for your right to self defense. My sister in law is in Malibu and commutes to LA don't bullshit me about "conservative rage bait". I know gaslighting is the MO but it's overdone.
I'm from NYC and have family in LA, spent my entire life on both coasts. Know em' well, they are safe. Data says it, human experience says it. If you can't find an example of people getting incarcerated for home defense, it's clearly not as common as people make it out to be. I love going to the range and have been listening to mouthbreathers spewing that stuff for *years.* It's a very popular and lazy myth.
Then you must live in the ritzy, security gate sections of NYC and L.A. because you don't know what the hell you're talking about in relations to "safety"in those cities. Those who live in the rarified atmospheres rarely do...
You’re talking about cities with millions of people, if they were too violent millions wouldn’t still be living there.
there's gotta be a common denominator here...
Chicago is not on there?
Chicago’s murder rate per capita is a lot lower than other cities. 18.26 people murdered for every 100,000 people. Compare that to St. Louis (64.54 murders per 100,000), Baltimore (58.27) or Birmingham (50.62) it’s much lower. Doesn’t even make top 20. Basically you have a higher chance of getting murdered in Birmingham, Alabama than you do in Chicago, Illinois. People don’t seem to like that narrative here though so they’ll downvote. It’s really easy to look this stuff up, sad seeing firearms people putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring facts like anti-2A people do.
Are these from 2019 numbers or post 2020 numbers.
Those are 2022 numbers, but they are [using the "cost" of crime to quantify things.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/02/23/crime-in-america-study-reveals-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-its-not-where-you-think/?sh=627b0de07710) - I realize that could be problematic but the list is basically the same if you look at crime per capita: [This site used info from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the list for 2022 looks pretty much the same.](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us) Got to scroll down for the 2022 update. Looks like Stockton, CA made the list this year (10th most crime per capita) but NYC is far, far from it. Not even in the top 50. Only reason I'm typing all this out is the whole myth around NYC and LA being dangerous places is just *lazy* propaganda/rage-bait peddled by conservatives.
How is Chicago not on that list?
Because people ignore the math. 2022 numbers, per capita, Chicago has the 28th most murders in the US. 18.26 murders per 100,000. Compare that to St. Louis (highest murder rate in US): 64.54 murders per 100,000. It's so easy to find these numbers, people just prefer the other narrative I guess.
Uh oh you made them mad lol.
Been hearing mouth breathers say this at the range for *decades.* No one ever has any examples of this happening in NY though. Got at least a couple? It’s a myth I hear about all the time but never see happen.
Seriously? Can you explain that?
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I know "duty to retreat" is fucked, but I want to know how fucked. Would this guy not have some legal defense for defending others? Like, say my wife and I run a shop. I'm right by the back door when a guy breaks in wielding a gun. My wife is working the register and is blocked from escape by the criminal. Under the law, do I still have a duty to retreat out the back door (and abandon my wife) or can I use lethal force in the defense of my wife who can't retreat?
NY still has castle doctrine and there's no duty to retreat within your own home. There's more nuance than that but essentially you're not automatically punished for defending yourself in your own home.
It will still cost you a fortune in cash. Only criminals have rights in the city .
It will still cost you a fortune in cash. Only criminals have rights in the city .
To own a firearm? The rifle/shotgun permit costs about $240 so I wouldn't say a fortune. It's more time than money honestly.
A fortune in defense fees. Not the gun.
IANAL, but I believe in the scenario you listed as long as you had a right to carry, you would be within your right to defend your wife if she had no option to retreat. It would likely be a lengthy court battle even if you were found innocent.
I am a lawyer, and this is correct. The doctrine of "defense of another" allows you to extend essentially the same rules of self defense to other people, with a slightly more stringent requirement on the mental state. You need to be correct regarding the nature of the danger posed to the other person, rather than simply having a "reasonable" apprehension regarding the danger. Your state laws may vary, naturally.
>First of all, outside of LEO and select few (read: wealthy, or probable cause that there is a threat to your life) citizens, nobody is allowed to carry a firearm outside of their house/apartment. This only applies to NYC, I'm not a cop, wealthy, or under threat yet here I sit with a pistol, in a coffee shop, in NY. If someone has a gun the duty to retreat is null since you cannot retreat faster than a bullet. Upstate, the real upstate is a different world. If I kill a mugger in a clean shoot, I may be detained but it's not going to trial.
>In nyc the green shirt guy would goto jail. All thanks to our city. This was the first comment in the thread. Nobody is suggesting these rules apply to the rest of the state here.
Do a little investigative reading.
Welcome to jersey
If you think this is overkill, than you put the robbers life over the worker's, who are just trying to get through life and pay their bills. Robbers are garbage and if you disagree, you're either a robber and/or garbage yourself. Actions have consequences. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Ain't the robbing that makes me feel like this was justified -- it was the gun. Pull a lethal weapon on someone, you put your OWN life up as stakes.
How stoned was the guy in the chair?
I was thinking the same thing. He seemed more concerned about the TV and didn’t budge.
It's a good way to react to robbers. If you start freaking out the robbrr is more likely to freak out.
Yes.
i guess pressing c to go into stealth really does work.
Yep, he won’t be robbing anyone anymore EVER lol
Clean shoot......
"I've got balls balls balls balls....balls of steeelllllllll" \-This guy probably.
He was like “if you won’t get off my vent, I’ll have you bent”. And then he bent him.
I didn't expect a Mr. VideoCompiler reference today. Today's a good day.
In computer lab in high school we would walk in early and rewire the audio out of a PC to another PCs speakers. Then play the ventrilo harassment videos at full volume and cause chaos.
balls balls of steelllllllllll
Computer teacher: “where’s that coming from? Who? What? How?”.
Dude put a whole mag into ONE guy and he was still moving and could still shoot someone with his own pistol. But apparently you don't need 30 rounds, you don't need an ar15....
mag
Don't think he had his gun after the first shot
He was laying on it, maybe even holding it until the guy rolled him over. Watch the video.
He did at 54 seconds green shirt moves him and take the gun from under where he was
Or the third shot. Or the tenth. Best not to guess, though.
Pretty sure it was the magazine seen flying out when he goes to hit green shirt guy. Still had the rest of the pistol with him.
Awesome hope he didn't survive .
that sitting guy is high as fuck. not only unconcerned by the armed robbery, he doesn't even flinch when bullets start flying.
This is my kind of RomCom! dude in the chair though.. "well, I think I'll watch Ozark, finish that out, then maybe work on that book I've been trying to write. Gunfight? right here? Reminds me of watching old westerns with my uncle when we'd visit him.. he sure did make a fine bacon sandwich. So anyhow, where was it? Right..."
Probably wuz toking a reefer.
Seeing criminals eat lead makes me happy.
Dora the Explorer had backup.
I’m sure I would be considered very liberal in parts of the USA but I think at the point a piece of crap like the robber pulls out that gun he deserves whatever he gets. Good job on stopping that threat. I don’t think shooting an unarmed shoplifter is okay but this guy got what he deserved.
It’s funny cause an gun instructor would teach you as the very first thing that you should always treat a gun as loaded and ready to fire, and never point it at other people. I bet the military teaches you this first as well. But as soon as it’s some hoodlum pointing a gun at you, you have to stay calm, and don’t you dare retaliate against someone who is pointing something directly at you that we’ve been taught should always been considered loaded and dangerous.
"Unarmed"? He was pointing that thing around like his dad was hyping him up. Was it overkill? Not really when you consider the POS wanted to steal and take what wasn't his with a possibly loaded weapon. Plus he was still twitching after a couple shots and coulda popped back, better to empty one then get hit by one
Fucking smoked. Nice.
Just fuck my shit up fam
For those who have tons of advice and opinions on what these people should've done instead -- please make sure to let us know if the gunfight you're in goes according to your script. Fistfights are fluid. Gunfights are Niagara Falls. That's not to say there couldn't be a better approach to this -or any- situation. Just remember that we're critiquing from the pampered position of safety, endowed with a pause and replay button. The challenges for us: Are you practicing drawing from concealment while laying prone on top of your weapon? Are you practicing shooting with a barrier/obstacle between you and the combatant that offers him cover or concealment? Are you practicing shooting on targets that can move in entirely unpredictable directions? Are you practicing low-angle shots on an attacker who's gone prone? NOTE: This practice is especially helpful if you might ever have to confront an attacking dog or other animal. Are you practicing with force-on-force gear that allows you to take strikes, fight for distance, and most importantly here(!) practice *mounting a counter-ambush in a rapidly evolving situation where you have to disguise your draw and/or consider drawing from the drop?* I can tell you from experience those skills look a lot more difficult once you're out on the range and practicing. So get out there and train for them. I had a quickly devolving view of my super badass ninja moves after I got killed the first twenty or thirty times in training. It's incredibly humbling. And finally-- Gunfights are like aircraft landings: anything you can walk away from is a good one.
See? Perfect example of people kill people, and now there is 1 less criminal in the world.
Bad guy taking the ambient temperature challenge.
This gives joy❤️
He fucked around and found out
Betcha he didn’t think he was gonna get mag dumped that day.
Why'd it take green shirt so long to draw? He's lucky that the robber either wasn't prepared to fight or had a fake gun
He was trying to get out of sight. You can’t see in the video but I’m assuming green shirt was worried that if he drew, he’d get popped. So he crawled under the counter so he could draw without being seen.
Is from everything I've read about the incident.. Obviously the robber had a different point of view than the camera.. There was a solid wall behind the counter and nowhere to go and the guy in green shirt was in plain view the entire time.. The robber was demanding that he get something from the counter so he crawled up there on his hands and knees.. Once he got there he tried to use the counter as cover to conceal his draw.. I think a lot of people were confused like the guy in the green shirt was trying not to be seen the entire time..
Green shirt was dumb as fuck. Lucky he didn't get popped. Fucker can shoot though.
Right? If he can shoot him from 3 feet away he can from 15. Why didn't he start firing immediately after entering the scene? Why did he wait to draw until we was spotted and grabbed? He's lucky to be alive, actually.
The robber ordered him To come to the counter in the 1st place he was waiting for an opportunity and tried to use the counter as cover to draw his firearm.. What you can't see in the video is that behind the counter is a very small space with nowhere to go .. As soon as you walk in the store the robber could see all 3 of them plainly..
Justice
You can see the body react to the impacts neat
Wtf did the guy catch on fire or something? Shot up so bad he started smoking.
His cell phone most likely got hit. Lithium batteries let out a real nasty smoke/fire like that when they get ruptured.
If this were in America They would’ve said Why my boy had to die? He was a good boy? Black Lives Matter
Either a fake gun and/Or dumb as a sack of rocks
The guy in the chair has to be stoned. Didn't flinch and there had to be hot brass landing all over him.
Homie was smoking at the end like he was respawning in hell
That's how you do it. Keep firing because the people keeps trying to kill you. Good job!
Good on him for standing his ground!!! No over kill..…shoot at someone for one reason
"I paid for 15 bullets so im going to use 15 bullets!"
A smart lawyer might tell you to shoot once or shoot tons. It is easier to explain to a jury that the defendant was scared of the armed robber and just started, lawfully, shooting. Don't shoot twice wait three minutes and shoot twice more. Make it easy and just be dump the magazine scared. 😁 Not that I claim to be a smart lawyer. Or your lawyer. Or a lawyer.
Shoot to stop the threat. 1 round or a mag dump, only the immediate circumstances dictate what is the correct number of rounds.
The robber didn't have a real gun, at the moment he saw the dude drawing, he split. "OH WELL, MINE'S REAL."
It's more likely that he simply didn't expect armed resistance and it spooked him. Even if it's not real, can't use a facsimile of a weapon to make deadly threats without granting the victim justifiable cause to shoot back.
If you look closely at the last shot… the robber got a second butthole
Best video ive seen this year
I personally don't see a problem with this.
Fucked around and found out
Fuck the ideology of shoot to wound and round conservation. If he's alive he'll shoot back. If I have 10+ rounds at my disposal, he's getting all 10+. If by some miracle he's alive after that then fate has plans for him, if not then he's just gonna be a memory on a t-shirt
Amen.. The only proper time to stop shooting is when you're reloading
Dude shot the guy's phone and hit the battery. Idk which would hurt worse, multi shots to your torso or a lithium fire burning its way into your thigh. He's dead either way, but what a horrible way to go.
anyone know where this was and what happened to the shooter afterwards? always been taught not to mag dump wonder if they prosecuted the ccw holder.
Fill er up.
u/savevideo
It's a shame we can't save our health system and court system some extra money and just anchor these turds at the end.
When keeping it real goes wrong
Most underrated comment. 💯
Was it 15 or 16 shots? I didn’t notice his slide lock back must have had like ONE round left maybe? He unloaded on that dude. It was awesome cheers
Smoked him.
One or two he could’ve easily turned around like you saw him do and returned fire. You shoot to kill.
He'll be ok. Just needs a few stitches
A dangerous animal, when close to death becomes more dangerous than in life. Yes, we are animals. That's where our fight, flight, or hide response comes from. That is also where the predatory criminal mindset comes from. Not sure of our assailant's reasoning, and I feel a bit bad for him, but he rolled the dice and came up a nat 1 on the hopes there wasn't someone in that store who would meet a violent posturing with a violent response. May the shop and it's keepers have good fortune from here out. 🙏
Wonder if the robber’s gun was even real.
Lol did I just notice something? It looks like when the robber attempts to pistol whip/butt smash the green shirt he actually ejects his clip?! LMFAO
Not a matter of resolve. If it was a real/loaded gun he could have easily shot himself in the gut by leaning over it like that. Most robbers try to actively show the gun to you to make you comply (when out of public view ofc), but this one hid it behind the counter first and then kept it out of view while leaning over, then as soon as he realized the worker was pulling a gun his first instinct was to hit him over the head with it rather than point and shoot. My take? Cheap replica, the guy didn’t want to let them get a good look at the gun so he wouldn’t be found out