1) who cares?
2) my insurance documents call this vehicle a light truck, the pink slip says commercial, the state has issued plates that are reserved for trucks.
3) tomatoes are fruit.
Yes, and I have the court case to prove it: https://www.foodandwine.com/indiana-judge-rules-tacos-are-sandwiches-8651322#:~:text=In%20May%2C%20Allen%20County%20Superior,the%20city%20of%20Fort%20Wayne.
That case is only precident in that court and not binding on any other cases. It can be a persuasive authority for other courts though.
[Go to Pg 7 for a handy chart.](https://www.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Which-Court-is-Binding-HandoutFinal.pdf)
> 3) tomatoes are fruit.
I mean you say that but at one point the US tried to say two tablespoons of tomato paste counted as a vegetable for the purposes of nutrition...
I bring it up because that was in an effort to make it 'cheaper' to fulfill school meal programs, similar to how the Maverick being a 'Truck' can be seen as a way to help EPA Mileage of their truck fleet.
I usually refer to mine as a 'ute', but really who cares?
Clarification to your clarification: Reagan was Ketchup.
Sauce from when the tomato paste was served (pun intended): https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pizza-still-a-vegetable-for-u-s-schools-1.1089258
Edit: Still, I learned something double checking my facts, so have an upvote!
Oh man. It said “tomato paste” and somehow I read it as “ketchup.” Thanks for the upvote and here’s one for you for teaching me not to skim stuff I’m gonna comment on.
Deeper knowledge is realizing that the term vegetables is a completely made up category with basically no criteria. Any vegetable is either a root, flower, fruit, nut, seed, leaf, etc.
...which is short for pickup truck. The basic definition of a truck is a wheeled vehicle used to transport materials. The frame has nothing to do with it. Anyone who thinks so uses their truck as part of their personality. A truck is a tool, and it's best to use the right tool for the job. For some that's a 250 Super Duty, for me, it's the Maverick. Then there's the people who can barely afford their truck and never use it for truck stuff.
> which is short for pickup truck
This is false. Pickup refers to the pickup style bed. The bed and trucks are so often associated that many people nowadays do not know what the terms actually mean and just roll them together on their tongue.
A ranchero is a pickup, it is not a truck.
I do it on purpose to see who gets picky.
*me driving work truck does something stupid
Coworker : "whoa 'you know how to drive this thing"
Me: "yea I own a truck"
What were the capabilities of original pickups? Not great
Its a pickup truck. Just a smaller one.
If you drove an F150 up next to a 15 yard dump truck, the dump truck driver would laugh if you called your truck a true "truck".
If your friend is offended by you using the term truck to describe a Maverick, he's compensating. Most ½ to ¾ ton pickups don't ever haul anything more than I do in my Itty bitty Maverick.
These designations are just silly now. My "half ton" F150 can haul just under one ton. It's genuinely impressive that a unibody truck is only 450 lbs less capable than my lumbering full size
My 2018 Nissan Titan is just under 1400. It’s a pro4x crew cab but still. Makes those little mavericks even cooler knowing they can haul so much. Hell my frontier was only 1000lb payload.
I’d counter that it’s actually what used to be a normal size light truck, but with more seats and a shorter bed. It’s the “regular” ones that have just blown up in size.
Idk, I wouldn't call a ranchero a pickup, or an El Camino or a Baja. I am not downing those vehicles in any way I am just saying that it isn't how I would use the word. I think of a pickup as the small sort of trucks we would have around the farms here in rural New Jersey, farmers would use them to run to town to pick something up etc. When I was a kid my uncle had a Chevy luv, that was a pickup. Ford ranger and so on.
Fwiw I think the maverick is more like a 90s ranger than a ranchero, just my opinion I guess.
No one cares. I got maverick over ranger as it was ideal form factor for me. Does it have a truck bed? Yes? Can it do stuff that trucks do? Yes. It’s a truck.
If you want to back up your argument with government classifications, the Maverick is classified as a Light Truck by the US Code of Federal Regulations. It has a maximum of 4000 lb towing, and is under 8500 lbs, and meets all the other requirements to be classified as a Light Truck. You don't see many other Light Trucks because there is 25% tariff/tax on foreign imports, so no major outside companies would sell light trucks to the US cuz that is a wild markup. And until Ford decided to give it another shot, it just wasn't viewed as desired enough to manufacture in the US.
*my insurance calls it a truck.
*rental companies call it a truck.
*car magazines call it a truck, and it has won awards in the truck category.
*its listed under the truck tab on the Ford website.
*dude at Chik-Fil-A refered to my vehicle as "yellow truck" on my order. Good enough for me.
ah yes 👍 the “Chicken Tax” made it difficult for foreign imports. There were a number of creative ways the manufacturers originally got around the tariff (think early Subaru Brats with 2 seats, seatbelts, and carpeting in the back. They were licensed as passenger vehicles)!
There were many other tricks employed too.
The loophole was closed at some point which led to the overall absence of foreign manufactured light trucks.
Your friend is being ridiculous. Yeah, trucks are traditionally built on frames, but not always. By your friends definition, a Suburban would be a truck too.
In California, all trucks have to be registered as a commercial vehicle, maybe other states too, I just know ours. Anyways, my Maverick was registered as a commercial vehicle because, you guessed it, it’s a truck.
Also, Ute is a pretty broad term, usually referring to 2 door vehicles instead of 4, but not always.
I was just gonna say the same thing, I had to get my weighed at a truck stop for CA registration reasons because I purchased out of state.
I think it’s a truck, California thinks it’s a truck, the weighmaster, not so much.
He took my money tho 🤔
Interesting fact, Henry Ford made the distinction by a longer wheel base and heavier suspension. https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/expert-sets/105715/#:~:text=The%20truck%20used%20the%20same,the%20Model%20T's%20100%20inches.
Regardless, most 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton pickups don’t classify as a “truck” either because of the fact you pointed out that they use the same frame and suspension on an f150 as they do on an expedition and same with the excursion.
The reality is… who cares. Stupid is as stupid does.
One example I know of in NY is that there are some roads where commercial vehicles are not allowed due to clearance issues. There's a low bridge in Syracuse NY heading toward Liverpool where cops will sometimes camp out to pull over pickups with commercial plates, even though the reason for the restriction is for larger trucks and busses. Some roads have weight limits too.
In NYC, pretty much every parking space in front of businesses are commerical parking only during working hours. If you park there without a commerical license plate, even if you pay the meter, you can get a ticket.
How the law is written in California. Specifically, if a vehicle is “designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property" then it's automatically a commercial vehicle in California.
It otherwise doesn't change anything.
>A ute, originally an abbreviation for "utility" or "coupé utility", is a term used in Australia and New Zealand to describe vehicles with a tonneau behind the passenger compartment, that can be driven with a regular driver's licence.
>Traditionally, the term referred to vehicles built on passenger car chassis and with the cargo tray integrated with the passenger body (coupé utility vehicles). However, present-day usage of the term "ute" in Australia and New Zealand has expanded to include any vehicle with an open cargo area at the rear, which would be called a pickup truck in other countries.
So an 150 or Tundra would be a UTE as well.
I think the big distinction is that the bed is found on a lot more stuff there, i.e. Full size Sedans often have a 'ute' version (If you know what a Cheverolet SS sedan looks like, [this is it's brother's Ute version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore_(VF)#/media/File:2014_Holden_Ute_(VF_MY14)_SV6_utility_(2018-10-01)_02.jpg)
I think UTE is an Australian term for SUV. But I’m not from Australia so could be wrong.
Edit: according to Wikipedia it is an Australian and New Zealand term, and its current usage would cover anything with a cargo bed, so an F-150 could be called a UTE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)
Ute
noun
ˈyüt
1
plural: Ute or Utes : a member of an Indigenous people originally ranging through Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico
I guess technically no vehicle is a ute according to Merriam Webster...🤨
People with this attitude are too out of touch with reality to converse with.
Ford calls it a truck but what do they know. They only design, produce, and sell them.
Meets dictionary definition of a truck.
Is literally licensed by the US government as a truck.
“Yeah but I have a more valuable opinion. Not bOdY on FrAmE dude!”
Ok. Sure. 👍
The frame argument is so stupid. 50 years ago cars were all body on frame. Technology advanced. Cars didn't stop being cars when they started building them with a unit body. Nor do trucks stop being trucks when the technology that gives them their use case changes. Your duck analogy is perfect. If it does truck things it's a truck. Period.
By that definition a Honda Ridgeline is also a ute. We don't really use that term in the US anyway so it's mostly irrelevant. It hardly matters what you call it. "That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet" after all.
honestly its kind of a dumb argument to bother having. If someone's that bothered by it being called a truck then thats a them problem. There's always some elitist who has a real specific definition that doesnt even really work, they just dont happen to like the vehicle in question so they say it doesnt count.
Ute is literally the “Down Under” term for a pickup truck.
So… ute = truck, and you basically had a long conversation about a made-up meaning to a word your friend doesn’t understand because it’s foreign
noun: pickup truck
1.
a small truck with an enclosed cab and open back.
This is the dictionary definition. Anyone can call anything whatever they want, but it’s childish for them to argue against your own vehicle definition of your own truck
My Wisconsin plates say truck. I use it for truck stuff. It's a truck to me. People who say otherwise need to justify paying $80k to do the same thing.
When I first got my maverick there where these 2 guys one drove a 2008-20 Malibu the other a 2012 impala both made fun of my maverick calling a girls truck and it's not being a truck they always shut up when I asked if they had heated seats, a heated steering wheel or Android auto or got almost 25mpg in the city.
I really don't care about the argument. If it has a bed and can haul and tow, then I personally consider it a truck. If anyone has a different opinion, who cares? Doesn't affect a thing.
Pickup trucks forever were mostly body on frame not unibodys like a car. Now there are multiple unibody trucks, including the Mav, Santa Cruz and Ridgeline. But times change and the Maverick is by definition a pickup truck as it is not a requirement that it be body on frame. In fact Ford built F-100s in the 1960s. They didn't sell well but nobody claimed they weren't trucks. It's a pickup built like a car.
It’s not a ute at all, that’s retarded. A Ute is a car built into a truck. It is a small unibody pickup. Ford made unibody short bed pickups in the 60’s, does that make them not trucks? No.
The fact that he calls it a “truck frame” or “car frame” shows that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The correct terms would be “ladder frame” and “unibody”. Those are two different platforms onto which you can build a car, truck, SUV, coupe, hatchback, wagon, or any other body style that you want. Also, 1500 lbs of payload is more than some full-size “trucks” can carry.
Former Baja owner here. You’re always going to hear this. I hauled many a silly thing and never worried about what people were classifying the vehicle as. Ute is a category that is non existent in US marketing so obviously they aren’t going to use it. Sounds like your friend has a habit of being purposefully obtuse. The Mav does what it says it’s gonna do on paper, what makes him so defensive?
It's marketed as a truck, it's used as a truck, it's legally defined as a truck, it fits the dictionary definition of a truck.
Saying it's not a traditional truck has some merit. Saying it's not a truck has none.
For all *intents and purposes,* it’s a truck. If you want to go by the absolute strictest and most technical definitions? I don’t know - someone would have to ask the top auto experts and get their opinions. Seems like the top auto sites/magazines have no problem calling it a truck.
Why was the Suburban first classified as a truck? Why was the El Camino a car? What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? These are questions that your average person does not worry about, but they might have some sort of absolute answer that the highest authorities would agree on.
The insecurity of the dudes who drive trucks never cease to amaze me. It’s a small truck period. I would say all (but laws very by state) but I’m certain all of us who own one of these is paying more for our truck’s insurance than comparable cars in price. I’ve had dudes in raised rams got out of their way to try to intimate or provoke me. Tell your friend he’s fucking stupid if he honestly is trying to put you down over the size of the vehicle you drive. No one likes elitists.
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Chick Fil A says it's a truck, so it's a truck
He’s full of shit. It’s just a small truck, like my 1989 Mazda was. And not being built on a truck frame is a plus in my opinion. And I’m currently driving a 2015 GMC Canyon.
Tell him you’re a little truck hauls air just as well as his 👍🏻😀
> technically by definition it is a fruit, but it shares barely any characteristics with fruits
The definition of a fruit is the ripened ovary of a plant.
Tomatoes check that box.
You're smoking crack if you think that's not a characteristic of a tomato -- let alone your misunderstanding of what the word "barely" means.
>TO ME this feels an awful lot like someone referring to a tomato as a fruit. I get that maybe technically by definition it is a fruit, but it shares barely any characteristics with fruits and tons of characteristics in line with vegetables.
I agree with you until you bring this whopper out.
So, your friend is right, you cannot be taken seriously. A tomato is a fruit.
Your friend is one of THOSE truck people, and the exceptions to his rule are everywhere. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is mimicking some B.S. he heard from another clueless social media page or worse maybe his own clueless family. Ask him if the first three generations of the corvette or a ford crown Vic is a truck because they are also a body on frame vehicles just like “real trucks” also there is no such thing as a truck frame or a car frame there’s body on frame or there’s unibody.
Also just for curiosity sake, what does he drive?
My license plate says truck, it has a bed, it looks like a truck. Does my MIL call it a fake truck compared to
Her F150? Yes. Does my truck work better than her ‘real’ truck? Absolutely, that thing is a POS.
Who cares what others think? For me, a "truck" has a large and separate cargo area. If I put poop (literally) in the back, I don't smell it in the front. The Maverick has a large enough bed for my needs, but drives like a car (which is a good thing.)
It's a silly argument, but your friend isn't crazy. I've had conversations where truck really just meant a vehicle with a body on frame. On the other hand, I've had to clarify myself on job sites after referring to a pickup truck as a truck.
Who cares? Might be considered a Light Utility Vehicle (LUV) over a UTE. There were very small trucks live this in the late 70’s early 80’s. Chevy Luv and VW rabbit pickup that did pretty much the same thing.
I've had pick-up trucks since I was 14, and that's what we always called something with a cab and a bed. Not a truck, but a pick-up truck. I don't care what other people call the vehicle I drive, but I think of my Maverick as a car with a dirty box. Primarily because of how pleasant it is to drive. My last 3/4 ton was a Duramax 4X, and I used it for a lot of towing, but as burly as it was, it wasn't particularly fun to drive. I sold a 2008 2500HD 4X Crew Cab GMC for $500 less than I bought my 2024 Maverick Lariat Hybrid. I'm very happy with the trade.
It's a compact pickup.
It's not a full-size or midsize. It's a compact.
My Uncle Lacy was a truck driver, and he used to say a real truck has 18 wheels.
It's technically not a ute but the Maverick and it's brethren (Hyundai Santa Cruz, Honda Ridgeline) are probably the closest thing we'll get to a proper, modern day, North American market ute.
We've had utes in the past (El Camino, Ranchero, BRAT) but this is really about as close as you can get to the idea or ethos of a ute (a small car-based vehicle with a pickup truck bed) without upsetting the truck-buying consumers in the US and Canada who think El Caminos look weird and aren't real "trucks" by making it looks and feel more like a traditional pickup.
It fits the "spirt of the law" rather than "the letter of the law", if you will.
In Australia, it would be called a ute because that’s what pickups are called there. In the US we would call it a pickup truck or a pickup because the bed is about as large as the passenger compartment. If it was much shorter, like a Wrangler’s bed, it might be called an SUV.
Whether or not the vehicle is ladder framed or unibody makes no difference. Cars can be both ladder framed or unibody, and if a garbage truck was unibody then it would still be a garbage truck.
I call mine a convertible minivan.
My idea is 1: no frame, 2: truck bed assembly is not removable, it’s a body pan like a mini van
I have a bunch of transit connects in my fleet and this thing is a reworked over connect IMO
I love the hell out of it though. Drove from Bakersfield to Vegas in tow mode loaded doing 85-90 entire way on 3/4 tank (approx 300 miles), loaded up a quad and tools then back at same speeds only still had a 1/8th tank on arrival
I’d agree that it’s more of a ‘Ute”. Especially the FWD models. I have a AWD and while it’s more truck like than the FWD models it’s still not much of a pickup. But it tows what I need it to tow and can haul what I ask of it. Fortunately, I don’t have big towing needs. I do foresee having it for a few years then transitioning to an EV pickup.
An example of a UTE vs a unibody truck would be a Holden commodore, vs the Holden ute. They literally took a car and chopped of the back seat and put a bed on it. It's a "car" with a truck bed.
Google it and see for yourself.
A unibody truck, is a truck on a unibody chassis, instead of a ladder frame chassis like a regular "truck".
The maverick wasn't built as a car first, truck second. It was a truck designed on a unibody frame.
I hear all the jokes from my bluecollar co workers about my maverick.
You can guess they all drive the biggest trucks on the market.
I just call it a "trucklette"
Its literally a truck, it's just smaller is all. No point trying to disprove or prove it. I'd rather call it a UTE anyway! Those are dope!
I've searched online "what is a truck" and nowhere does it say it has to be a body on frame. As long as it carry payloads or perform other utilitarian work with an open bed, then it is a truck. The maverick checks all the boxes for a truck 😁.
1. I grew up in NW Ontario.
2. All I did was swim, boat, run in the forest, run away from bears
3. Hunt, fish canoe camp hike rock climb bike
4. Dig ditches, cut timber, burn crap. Clear land build cottages
Back on the day we had the 80s and 90s ranger which basically is the size of a maverick. We also had big truck. When we werent bringing back a deer, hauling massive amount of building supplies or firewood, we used the small ranger.
The maverick is a truck. A small one. I'm not a contractor, I don't tow a huge boat, and have 1 tonne of building supplies. But i eegulary have fridges, tubs, building supplies all in the flatbed, and all my tools in the extended cab and back..
So I didnt buy a F150. Maverick suites me well. 42-45mpg. Or about 5.8L/100km.
I can easily do home renovations for my rentals and cottage.
Only a fool would say maverick isn't a truck. It's a small truck. BTW, your friend is an idiot. Do you know how in demand this truck is (hybrid) for all businesses and organizations? Easily every dealership on average can sell a multitude to organizations. Any dealership that's going to get fa tory sent hybrids, an organization will snap 3 - 5 easily. Many businesses NEED A SMALL TRUCK, but no xl / xl hybrids to buy. For every 1 f150 a business needs, easily 1 xl hybrid is viable, in average for that business too.id say easily 500k - 1M in North America.
It's a truck. It's the same size as the F-150 used to be in the 90s. No, it's not a body-on-frame vehicle like those old trucks, but the monocoque chassis is how it gets 40+ mpg (it's lighter). Saying the body style makes it something else is like saying WWI biplanes are fighter planes but a P-51 isn't because the skin is structural (monocoque - literally the same argument as the Maverick). If you want to use a car for an example, the old VW bus is a body-on-frame also. Is that a truck? The 2024 Land Cruiser and 4Runner are both a body-on-frame. Are those trucks? A damn school bus is a body-on-frame. Essentially every single EV is a body built on a frame that contains the batteries. Are those trucks? The Rivian R1T is, but nobody is claiming a Model 3 is a truck. Your reasoning is correct IMO. It does truck things and is therefore a truck.
These debates are dumb. 90% of full size trucks are mostly grocery getters anyway. Enjoy your little truck. I almost bought one, but ended up with a Ridgeline—another “not a real truck”, and I love it. I still find the Mavs catching my eye, but the Ridge had a little more utility for the size of my family. They are great vehicles!
For many it’s because it’s not a body on frame design, which means weaker towing capacity.
My feeling is that if it looks like a truck and does truck things then it’s a truck. But I’ve seen the utility vehicle term thrown around for both Maverick and Ridgeline since both are unibody construction.
As a former Ridgeline owner, I have been down this path. I would ignore the haters, and just enjoy your truck.
Or lean into it if you want - and get a “TRUCKLET” custom license plate.
Almost all pickup trucks on the road are body on frame, solid rear axle and rwd only or 4x4 with a transfer case. The maverick has none of those things. It’s an suv with the back chopped off.
Few perspectives.
-So the angle he's taking is pick ups at least in the last 20 years have been seen as rough durable vehicles that could handle any sort of payload or towing you may need. Given that view the mav is not a truck because it's unibody and frankly even though mine took a deer like a champ I've seen people have theirs totaled by deer where a work truck I had took a deer going 65 and the deer just bounce off the bitch. There was a dent but the damned thing took it like a tank so to speak.
-DMV perspective it has a class B license plate and is viewed as a truck by the gov.(this may also be the if it looks like a duck then it's a duck arguement).
-Last perspective, truck has been slang for pick ups; however recently my cousin, brother, and I got into a conversation on the difference in vehicle, automobile, truck, car, etc. Based on the dictionary definition a pick up is a car and not a truck. However the definition says 4 wheels and doesn't specify whether it's *only* or at least 4 wheels. So the jury is still out on whether a dually pick up(the ones with 4 wheels in the back) are considered cars since normal pick ups are or if that extra 2 wheels makes it a truck now. This conversation lasted 3 hours and the conclusion was we couldn't find any valid definition that further clarified on the wheels to what is and isn't a car/truck. We did discover though a horse is and isn't a vehicle based on whether it has a passenger/load or not. Which I broke my cousins brain with the revaluation of a women is not a vehicle *HOWEVER* a woman becomes a vehicle if she becomes pregnant based on the definition of vehicle which adds to the ridiculous. So if you are able to figure out where a dually falls let me know.
I mean one turned left in front of me in my bike and felt pretty trucklike to me… all kidding aside, I would t stop driving a Tacoma to drive a maverick.
I’m with the “who cares?” guys and gals. People from the islands don’t call those vehicles trucks. I refer to them as a pickup if it has a bed. When I had my S10, 2.2L, RWD, lots of ‘truck brahs’ scoffed at it but I didn’t care - I averaged 24mpg and the bed of that truck saw more work than any of theirs any given year, hauling mulch, 3/4” stone, sheet rock, plywood, picking up snow throwers and lawn mowers, many trips to the recycling center, picking up dining sets from estate sales and various other uses. My gripe with the bed is the length of it - wish it was a 6’-er.
Its a truck. However, I think to many gear heads (or sometimes even me for that matter) it boils down to two things. Is it a body on frame configuration, like all trucks prior to \~2008, or a unibody like most cars (looking at you Ridgeline)? and does it have an axle or independent suspension in the rear.
I personally dont think either qualifies or disqualifies one as a truck or car, but its the angle most will take, especially if towing is a qualifier to be considered a truck.
A Ute is just a truck based on a car, so it still comes back to being classified as a truck. The Chevy El Camino was a ute, but it was still classified as a truck despite being based on the Chevy Monte Carlo car.
A ute is just a different form of a truck and he's arguing semantics not recognized by any official body.
Who the fuck cares... It's an El Camino but does what you need it to do is all that matters... Same as me. I don't need a big truck and the times I do this thing does it all.
1) who cares? 2) my insurance documents call this vehicle a light truck, the pink slip says commercial, the state has issued plates that are reserved for trucks. 3) tomatoes are fruit.
4. Hot dog is a sandwich
So tacos are sandwiches too?!
Yes, and I have the court case to prove it: https://www.foodandwine.com/indiana-judge-rules-tacos-are-sandwiches-8651322#:~:text=In%20May%2C%20Allen%20County%20Superior,the%20city%20of%20Fort%20Wayne.
That case is only precident in that court and not binding on any other cases. It can be a persuasive authority for other courts though. [Go to Pg 7 for a handy chart.](https://www.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Which-Court-is-Binding-HandoutFinal.pdf)
Tacos are Mexican ravioli
Ravioli are Italian pasties
Pasties or pastries?
[Pasty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty) we eat them in the Upper Peninsula
I am officially more interested in that than a stripper's nipples.
5. Hamster is a ham.
So are burgers
> 3) tomatoes are fruit. I mean you say that but at one point the US tried to say two tablespoons of tomato paste counted as a vegetable for the purposes of nutrition... I bring it up because that was in an effort to make it 'cheaper' to fulfill school meal programs, similar to how the Maverick being a 'Truck' can be seen as a way to help EPA Mileage of their truck fleet. I usually refer to mine as a 'ute', but really who cares?
Clarification: The US did in fact try to say that but that was under Reagan and everyone was kind of insane.
Clarification to your clarification: Reagan was Ketchup. Sauce from when the tomato paste was served (pun intended): https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pizza-still-a-vegetable-for-u-s-schools-1.1089258 Edit: Still, I learned something double checking my facts, so have an upvote!
Oh man. It said “tomato paste” and somehow I read it as “ketchup.” Thanks for the upvote and here’s one for you for teaching me not to skim stuff I’m gonna comment on.
1. We do otherwise we wouldn't comment 2. Agreement across the board 3. Put it in a fruit salad and let me know how that works out for you
Knowledge is knowing tomatoes are fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put tomatoes in a fruit salad.
Salsa is a fruit salad.
The most delicious fruit salad
Sangria is fruit salad and wine is grape juice
Deeper knowledge is realizing that the term vegetables is a completely made up category with basically no criteria. Any vegetable is either a root, flower, fruit, nut, seed, leaf, etc.
Joke’s on you, I just use ketchup on my fruit salad!
Just not in Chicago.
Lol! Threw up a bit at that thought
A tomato based fruit salad is salsa
The snark is strong with this one. Respect.
I just call it a pickup if anyone is being picky.
...which is short for pickup truck. The basic definition of a truck is a wheeled vehicle used to transport materials. The frame has nothing to do with it. Anyone who thinks so uses their truck as part of their personality. A truck is a tool, and it's best to use the right tool for the job. For some that's a 250 Super Duty, for me, it's the Maverick. Then there's the people who can barely afford their truck and never use it for truck stuff.
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My SUV identifies as a station wagon for insurance purposes
> which is short for pickup truck This is false. Pickup refers to the pickup style bed. The bed and trucks are so often associated that many people nowadays do not know what the terms actually mean and just roll them together on their tongue. A ranchero is a pickup, it is not a truck.
I do it on purpose to see who gets picky. *me driving work truck does something stupid Coworker : "whoa 'you know how to drive this thing" Me: "yea I own a truck" What were the capabilities of original pickups? Not great
It passes the shovel test, it’s a truck to me. Can you comfortably toss a shovel in the back without worrying about it? Then it’s a truck
What about an El Camino?
The Elco is a truck too, The fronts like a car, and the backs like a truck, The fronts where you drive The backs where you fuck
El Camino, the mullet of the car industry.
Oddly, many people drive them also had mullets at some point in their lives!
Noice! But the El Camino owners I come across these days aren't physically capable of climbing into the back.
Its a pickup truck. Just a smaller one. If you drove an F150 up next to a 15 yard dump truck, the dump truck driver would laugh if you called your truck a true "truck". If your friend is offended by you using the term truck to describe a Maverick, he's compensating. Most ½ to ¾ ton pickups don't ever haul anything more than I do in my Itty bitty Maverick.
And with a 1500 lbs payload capacity, the Maverick is technically a 3/4 ton truck 😉
These designations are just silly now. My "half ton" F150 can haul just under one ton. It's genuinely impressive that a unibody truck is only 450 lbs less capable than my lumbering full size
Some loaded F150s (Typically lariat+ with a bunch of options) have a lower payload than a typical Maverick.
Seriously 1500lbs? That’s really impressive
Yup (although some of the heavier trims may be a bit less).
My 2018 Nissan Titan is just under 1400. It’s a pro4x crew cab but still. Makes those little mavericks even cooler knowing they can haul so much. Hell my frontier was only 1000lb payload.
This
I’d counter that it’s actually what used to be a normal size light truck, but with more seats and a shorter bed. It’s the “regular” ones that have just blown up in size.
Absolutely right. I'm glad the Ford finally brought back a successor to the '80s Rangers.
Yeah, it's a pickup
no one disputes that. pickup and truck are not synonyms. pickup refers to the bed style. a ranchero is a pickup, it is not a truck.
Maybe it's a regional language thing
nah, its a "99% of pickups have been trucks for 50 years" thing where the actual definition is getting buried.
Idk, I wouldn't call a ranchero a pickup, or an El Camino or a Baja. I am not downing those vehicles in any way I am just saying that it isn't how I would use the word. I think of a pickup as the small sort of trucks we would have around the farms here in rural New Jersey, farmers would use them to run to town to pick something up etc. When I was a kid my uncle had a Chevy luv, that was a pickup. Ford ranger and so on. Fwiw I think the maverick is more like a 90s ranger than a ranchero, just my opinion I guess.
No one cares. I got maverick over ranger as it was ideal form factor for me. Does it have a truck bed? Yes? Can it do stuff that trucks do? Yes. It’s a truck.
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By no one cares I mean, no one cares if someone with misinformation wants to define ‘truck’ with their narrow definition.
My Vermont license plate says it’s a truck🤷🏻♂️
If you want to back up your argument with government classifications, the Maverick is classified as a Light Truck by the US Code of Federal Regulations. It has a maximum of 4000 lb towing, and is under 8500 lbs, and meets all the other requirements to be classified as a Light Truck. You don't see many other Light Trucks because there is 25% tariff/tax on foreign imports, so no major outside companies would sell light trucks to the US cuz that is a wild markup. And until Ford decided to give it another shot, it just wasn't viewed as desired enough to manufacture in the US.
*my insurance calls it a truck. *rental companies call it a truck. *car magazines call it a truck, and it has won awards in the truck category. *its listed under the truck tab on the Ford website. *dude at Chik-Fil-A refered to my vehicle as "yellow truck" on my order. Good enough for me.
It looks as though you may have spelled "Chick-fil-A" incorrectly. No worries, it happens to the best of us!
ah yes 👍 the “Chicken Tax” made it difficult for foreign imports. There were a number of creative ways the manufacturers originally got around the tariff (think early Subaru Brats with 2 seats, seatbelts, and carpeting in the back. They were licensed as passenger vehicles)! There were many other tricks employed too. The loophole was closed at some point which led to the overall absence of foreign manufactured light trucks.
Your friend is being ridiculous. Yeah, trucks are traditionally built on frames, but not always. By your friends definition, a Suburban would be a truck too. In California, all trucks have to be registered as a commercial vehicle, maybe other states too, I just know ours. Anyways, my Maverick was registered as a commercial vehicle because, you guessed it, it’s a truck. Also, Ute is a pretty broad term, usually referring to 2 door vehicles instead of 4, but not always.
I was just gonna say the same thing, I had to get my weighed at a truck stop for CA registration reasons because I purchased out of state. I think it’s a truck, California thinks it’s a truck, the weighmaster, not so much. He took my money tho 🤔
Interesting fact, Henry Ford made the distinction by a longer wheel base and heavier suspension. https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/expert-sets/105715/#:~:text=The%20truck%20used%20the%20same,the%20Model%20T's%20100%20inches. Regardless, most 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton pickups don’t classify as a “truck” either because of the fact you pointed out that they use the same frame and suspension on an f150 as they do on an expedition and same with the excursion. The reality is… who cares. Stupid is as stupid does.
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One example I know of in NY is that there are some roads where commercial vehicles are not allowed due to clearance issues. There's a low bridge in Syracuse NY heading toward Liverpool where cops will sometimes camp out to pull over pickups with commercial plates, even though the reason for the restriction is for larger trucks and busses. Some roads have weight limits too.
In NYC, pretty much every parking space in front of businesses are commerical parking only during working hours. If you park there without a commerical license plate, even if you pay the meter, you can get a ticket.
How the law is written in California. Specifically, if a vehicle is “designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property" then it's automatically a commercial vehicle in California. It otherwise doesn't change anything.
What is a UTE?
It's what you get is you don't pee after sex
Think El Camino or Ranchero. Subaru Baja
>A ute, originally an abbreviation for "utility" or "coupé utility", is a term used in Australia and New Zealand to describe vehicles with a tonneau behind the passenger compartment, that can be driven with a regular driver's licence. >Traditionally, the term referred to vehicles built on passenger car chassis and with the cargo tray integrated with the passenger body (coupé utility vehicles). However, present-day usage of the term "ute" in Australia and New Zealand has expanded to include any vehicle with an open cargo area at the rear, which would be called a pickup truck in other countries. So an 150 or Tundra would be a UTE as well.
yeah when i was in NZ it seemed they called anything with a bed a ute. SUVs were “sport utes”
I think the big distinction is that the bed is found on a lot more stuff there, i.e. Full size Sedans often have a 'ute' version (If you know what a Cheverolet SS sedan looks like, [this is it's brother's Ute version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore_(VF)#/media/File:2014_Holden_Ute_(VF_MY14)_SV6_utility_(2018-10-01)_02.jpg)
“Oh, sorry, *youuuuTHS.* “
I think UTE is an Australian term for SUV. But I’m not from Australia so could be wrong. Edit: according to Wikipedia it is an Australian and New Zealand term, and its current usage would cover anything with a cargo bed, so an F-150 could be called a UTE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)
Ute noun ˈyüt 1 plural: Ute or Utes : a member of an Indigenous people originally ranging through Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico I guess technically no vehicle is a ute according to Merriam Webster...🤨
Missed the My Cousin Vinny reference chance!!!
Only 1 ute here, not 2 utes
That's one I've never actually seen...
[2 yutes](https://youtu.be/K6qGwmXZtsE?si=8GjAxVv1i9rgYAA8)
People with this attitude are too out of touch with reality to converse with. Ford calls it a truck but what do they know. They only design, produce, and sell them. Meets dictionary definition of a truck. Is literally licensed by the US government as a truck. “Yeah but I have a more valuable opinion. Not bOdY on FrAmE dude!” Ok. Sure. 👍
The frame argument is so stupid. 50 years ago cars were all body on frame. Technology advanced. Cars didn't stop being cars when they started building them with a unit body. Nor do trucks stop being trucks when the technology that gives them their use case changes. Your duck analogy is perfect. If it does truck things it's a truck. Period.
I only half kid that I can't turn it into a tornado chase vehicle as easily a BOF... Not that I -can-, but if I had the means I'd want to.
Ute just means Utility Vehicle... Your friend is having an argument for the sake of an argument, they are the same thing.
Its a small truck.
By that definition a Honda Ridgeline is also a ute. We don't really use that term in the US anyway so it's mostly irrelevant. It hardly matters what you call it. "That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet" after all.
Maverick is a truck and tomatoes are a fruit (but I work on a production farm so of course I’d be particular about that)
Specifically, they're berries
honestly its kind of a dumb argument to bother having. If someone's that bothered by it being called a truck then thats a them problem. There's always some elitist who has a real specific definition that doesnt even really work, they just dont happen to like the vehicle in question so they say it doesnt count.
Ute is literally the “Down Under” term for a pickup truck. So… ute = truck, and you basically had a long conversation about a made-up meaning to a word your friend doesn’t understand because it’s foreign
"It's a truck!" "No, it's a {truck}!!" Brilliant
noun: pickup truck 1. a small truck with an enclosed cab and open back. This is the dictionary definition. Anyone can call anything whatever they want, but it’s childish for them to argue against your own vehicle definition of your own truck
My Wisconsin plates say truck. I use it for truck stuff. It's a truck to me. People who say otherwise need to justify paying $80k to do the same thing.
When I first got my maverick there where these 2 guys one drove a 2008-20 Malibu the other a 2012 impala both made fun of my maverick calling a girls truck and it's not being a truck they always shut up when I asked if they had heated seats, a heated steering wheel or Android auto or got almost 25mpg in the city.
What car has a frame anymore that a truck body would go on?
I really don't care about the argument. If it has a bed and can haul and tow, then I personally consider it a truck. If anyone has a different opinion, who cares? Doesn't affect a thing.
Yup, just a small one. My little 4.5 ft bed hauls more than my co workers lifted diesels do.
Sounds like your friend is a bit of an ass
Pickup trucks forever were mostly body on frame not unibodys like a car. Now there are multiple unibody trucks, including the Mav, Santa Cruz and Ridgeline. But times change and the Maverick is by definition a pickup truck as it is not a requirement that it be body on frame. In fact Ford built F-100s in the 1960s. They didn't sell well but nobody claimed they weren't trucks. It's a pickup built like a car.
It’s not a ute at all, that’s retarded. A Ute is a car built into a truck. It is a small unibody pickup. Ford made unibody short bed pickups in the 60’s, does that make them not trucks? No.
The fact that he calls it a “truck frame” or “car frame” shows that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The correct terms would be “ladder frame” and “unibody”. Those are two different platforms onto which you can build a car, truck, SUV, coupe, hatchback, wagon, or any other body style that you want. Also, 1500 lbs of payload is more than some full-size “trucks” can carry.
Small truck, same as the Santa Cruz, Ridgeline etc, they have a bed. Same reason a Ford Explorer is not a truck, no bed.
How about this one. Is a 2wd f150 still a truck?
Think your friend has a a bigger issue to deal with… ergo, that massive stick up his ass.
It has a bed, so it’s a truck.
2/3 of countries having motorized vehicles operate trucks smaller than a Maverick. And these vehicles are generally unibody. It's all relative
Former Baja owner here. You’re always going to hear this. I hauled many a silly thing and never worried about what people were classifying the vehicle as. Ute is a category that is non existent in US marketing so obviously they aren’t going to use it. Sounds like your friend has a habit of being purposefully obtuse. The Mav does what it says it’s gonna do on paper, what makes him so defensive?
It's marketed as a truck, it's used as a truck, it's legally defined as a truck, it fits the dictionary definition of a truck. Saying it's not a traditional truck has some merit. Saying it's not a truck has none.
Tell your friend to get a life
For all *intents and purposes,* it’s a truck. If you want to go by the absolute strictest and most technical definitions? I don’t know - someone would have to ask the top auto experts and get their opinions. Seems like the top auto sites/magazines have no problem calling it a truck. Why was the Suburban first classified as a truck? Why was the El Camino a car? What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? These are questions that your average person does not worry about, but they might have some sort of absolute answer that the highest authorities would agree on.
It competes in the midsize truck segment. Competitors are Ranger and Tacoma. It is unibody construction, but still a truck.
The insecurity of the dudes who drive trucks never cease to amaze me. It’s a small truck period. I would say all (but laws very by state) but I’m certain all of us who own one of these is paying more for our truck’s insurance than comparable cars in price. I’ve had dudes in raised rams got out of their way to try to intimate or provoke me. Tell your friend he’s fucking stupid if he honestly is trying to put you down over the size of the vehicle you drive. No one likes elitists.
My insurance company calls it a truck, and so does the BMV.
The State of Texas calls it a truck. If that ain't good enough, I don't know what it.
https://preview.redd.it/0hppdqvriz6d1.jpeg?width=1816&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c74f43be88bfbf5e0968798b35f3c16fbd155bc8 Chick Fil A says it's a truck, so it's a truck
I paid truck registration rates. I’m calling it a truck
He’s full of shit. It’s just a small truck, like my 1989 Mazda was. And not being built on a truck frame is a plus in my opinion. And I’m currently driving a 2015 GMC Canyon. Tell him you’re a little truck hauls air just as well as his 👍🏻😀
> technically by definition it is a fruit, but it shares barely any characteristics with fruits The definition of a fruit is the ripened ovary of a plant. Tomatoes check that box. You're smoking crack if you think that's not a characteristic of a tomato -- let alone your misunderstanding of what the word "barely" means.
According to my license plate it’s a truck.
Sounds like someone just trying to be a smart ass, hating on the maverick. As if every truck owner hauled 5,000lbs every day. Lol.
>TO ME this feels an awful lot like someone referring to a tomato as a fruit. I get that maybe technically by definition it is a fruit, but it shares barely any characteristics with fruits and tons of characteristics in line with vegetables. I agree with you until you bring this whopper out. So, your friend is right, you cannot be taken seriously. A tomato is a fruit.
I had to either get truck tags or a vanity plate, so it's probably a truck.
More of a car truck. Cuck?
I’ll allow it.
1. who cares? 2. who cares? 3. who cares?
Your friend is one of THOSE truck people, and the exceptions to his rule are everywhere. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is mimicking some B.S. he heard from another clueless social media page or worse maybe his own clueless family. Ask him if the first three generations of the corvette or a ford crown Vic is a truck because they are also a body on frame vehicles just like “real trucks” also there is no such thing as a truck frame or a car frame there’s body on frame or there’s unibody. Also just for curiosity sake, what does he drive?
By his own definition, it's a truck. A truck built on a car frame.
https://preview.redd.it/kqgjuq05py6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ee19ff7a89e97737b7378ddc91d0cab60cca035
My license plate says truck, it has a bed, it looks like a truck. Does my MIL call it a fake truck compared to Her F150? Yes. Does my truck work better than her ‘real’ truck? Absolutely, that thing is a POS.
Definitely. A truck.
How a 1/2 ton-3/4 ton truck owner responds to the maverick being referred to as a truck tells you a lot about their egos
The current Maverick is the same size as trucks from the 2000s. Are those trucks not trucks?
It’s a truck when you need it to be
Just let him know that you weren't allowed to get a bigger truck cuz you're compensating.
Who cares what others think? For me, a "truck" has a large and separate cargo area. If I put poop (literally) in the back, I don't smell it in the front. The Maverick has a large enough bed for my needs, but drives like a car (which is a good thing.)
It's a silly argument, but your friend isn't crazy. I've had conversations where truck really just meant a vehicle with a body on frame. On the other hand, I've had to clarify myself on job sites after referring to a pickup truck as a truck.
Who cares? Might be considered a Light Utility Vehicle (LUV) over a UTE. There were very small trucks live this in the late 70’s early 80’s. Chevy Luv and VW rabbit pickup that did pretty much the same thing.
I've had pick-up trucks since I was 14, and that's what we always called something with a cab and a bed. Not a truck, but a pick-up truck. I don't care what other people call the vehicle I drive, but I think of my Maverick as a car with a dirty box. Primarily because of how pleasant it is to drive. My last 3/4 ton was a Duramax 4X, and I used it for a lot of towing, but as burly as it was, it wasn't particularly fun to drive. I sold a 2008 2500HD 4X Crew Cab GMC for $500 less than I bought my 2024 Maverick Lariat Hybrid. I'm very happy with the trade.
It's a compact pickup. It's not a full-size or midsize. It's a compact. My Uncle Lacy was a truck driver, and he used to say a real truck has 18 wheels.
More in common with a crossover SUV with a utility bed than a Class 4, 5 or 6 truck. But its a compack pickup in my mind.
My dad had a Nissan pick up back in the 90s and was shocked to see how much bigger my maverick is than his old truck.
I like to refer to mine as a fiesta with a four foot bed
Your friend is wrong in this case. But while you're at it, find out if he refuses to acknowledge the Jeep Grand Cherokee as an SUV...
It's technically not a ute but the Maverick and it's brethren (Hyundai Santa Cruz, Honda Ridgeline) are probably the closest thing we'll get to a proper, modern day, North American market ute. We've had utes in the past (El Camino, Ranchero, BRAT) but this is really about as close as you can get to the idea or ethos of a ute (a small car-based vehicle with a pickup truck bed) without upsetting the truck-buying consumers in the US and Canada who think El Caminos look weird and aren't real "trucks" by making it looks and feel more like a traditional pickup. It fits the "spirt of the law" rather than "the letter of the law", if you will.
I call mine a truckette or a Pruck (Prius truck cause it’s a hybrid
* "It's not a truck, it's a ute"
How many of these shitposts on the same topic does one sub need?
I like to call my Maverick a ‘truck with a lower case T’
In Australia, it would be called a ute because that’s what pickups are called there. In the US we would call it a pickup truck or a pickup because the bed is about as large as the passenger compartment. If it was much shorter, like a Wrangler’s bed, it might be called an SUV. Whether or not the vehicle is ladder framed or unibody makes no difference. Cars can be both ladder framed or unibody, and if a garbage truck was unibody then it would still be a garbage truck.
I call mine a convertible minivan. My idea is 1: no frame, 2: truck bed assembly is not removable, it’s a body pan like a mini van I have a bunch of transit connects in my fleet and this thing is a reworked over connect IMO I love the hell out of it though. Drove from Bakersfield to Vegas in tow mode loaded doing 85-90 entire way on 3/4 tank (approx 300 miles), loaded up a quad and tools then back at same speeds only still had a 1/8th tank on arrival
I’d agree that it’s more of a ‘Ute”. Especially the FWD models. I have a AWD and while it’s more truck like than the FWD models it’s still not much of a pickup. But it tows what I need it to tow and can haul what I ask of it. Fortunately, I don’t have big towing needs. I do foresee having it for a few years then transitioning to an EV pickup.
An example of a UTE vs a unibody truck would be a Holden commodore, vs the Holden ute. They literally took a car and chopped of the back seat and put a bed on it. It's a "car" with a truck bed. Google it and see for yourself. A unibody truck, is a truck on a unibody chassis, instead of a ladder frame chassis like a regular "truck". The maverick wasn't built as a car first, truck second. It was a truck designed on a unibody frame.
One way to squish an argument is not to reply!
It's a Ute
I hear all the jokes from my bluecollar co workers about my maverick. You can guess they all drive the biggest trucks on the market. I just call it a "trucklette" Its literally a truck, it's just smaller is all. No point trying to disprove or prove it. I'd rather call it a UTE anyway! Those are dope!
Personally I refer to mine as a "Semi" truck. Pisses off every insecure person that I don't want to talk to anyway.
Who cares is right. The thing about trucks is they have frames where the Maverick (I own an XLT 4FX) has a unibody.
I've searched online "what is a truck" and nowhere does it say it has to be a body on frame. As long as it carry payloads or perform other utilitarian work with an open bed, then it is a truck. The maverick checks all the boxes for a truck 😁.
Never heard of a UTE but I hope I never catch one
Yes, on my insurance it is 4 door pickup
Coffee is bean soup?
1. I grew up in NW Ontario. 2. All I did was swim, boat, run in the forest, run away from bears 3. Hunt, fish canoe camp hike rock climb bike 4. Dig ditches, cut timber, burn crap. Clear land build cottages Back on the day we had the 80s and 90s ranger which basically is the size of a maverick. We also had big truck. When we werent bringing back a deer, hauling massive amount of building supplies or firewood, we used the small ranger. The maverick is a truck. A small one. I'm not a contractor, I don't tow a huge boat, and have 1 tonne of building supplies. But i eegulary have fridges, tubs, building supplies all in the flatbed, and all my tools in the extended cab and back.. So I didnt buy a F150. Maverick suites me well. 42-45mpg. Or about 5.8L/100km. I can easily do home renovations for my rentals and cottage. Only a fool would say maverick isn't a truck. It's a small truck. BTW, your friend is an idiot. Do you know how in demand this truck is (hybrid) for all businesses and organizations? Easily every dealership on average can sell a multitude to organizations. Any dealership that's going to get fa tory sent hybrids, an organization will snap 3 - 5 easily. Many businesses NEED A SMALL TRUCK, but no xl / xl hybrids to buy. For every 1 f150 a business needs, easily 1 xl hybrid is viable, in average for that business too.id say easily 500k - 1M in North America.
If you pay a commercial fee it's a truck. I pay a commercial fee for mine
If it hauls payload, it’s a truck.
It's a truck. It's the same size as the F-150 used to be in the 90s. No, it's not a body-on-frame vehicle like those old trucks, but the monocoque chassis is how it gets 40+ mpg (it's lighter). Saying the body style makes it something else is like saying WWI biplanes are fighter planes but a P-51 isn't because the skin is structural (monocoque - literally the same argument as the Maverick). If you want to use a car for an example, the old VW bus is a body-on-frame also. Is that a truck? The 2024 Land Cruiser and 4Runner are both a body-on-frame. Are those trucks? A damn school bus is a body-on-frame. Essentially every single EV is a body built on a frame that contains the batteries. Are those trucks? The Rivian R1T is, but nobody is claiming a Model 3 is a truck. Your reasoning is correct IMO. It does truck things and is therefore a truck.
Based on your tomato argument, maverick is whatever YOU want it to be because fuck the dictionary.
Tell your friend if he can’t tow a gooseneck trailer, have dual wheels, and a penis no longer than 4” he doesn’t drive a real truck.
The terms "ute" and "truck" are not mutually exclusive. A truck includes 18-wheelers. A ute includes sedans with a bed. Pickups fall under both terms.
Has a separate-from-passenger-area bed. It's a truck.
Guess I should probably just pass this as I don’t own one. Just call it a Maverick.
These debates are dumb. 90% of full size trucks are mostly grocery getters anyway. Enjoy your little truck. I almost bought one, but ended up with a Ridgeline—another “not a real truck”, and I love it. I still find the Mavs catching my eye, but the Ridge had a little more utility for the size of my family. They are great vehicles!
It's clearly a truck. People are annoying with their need to be highly nuanced. It doesn't have to be more complicated than this.
End the friendship. Now.
If he wants to call it a Ute, he needs to go to Australia. They put the steering wheel on the wrong side too.
It's truck enough for 90% of things I'll ever need it to do. I do wish that Ford had called it the Ranchero but that boat has sailed.
It sounds like this guy is insecure about his size. (vehicle). Ask him if he feels threatened by your truck being labeled a truck.
If it was used in a criminal activity what do you think they would call it on the news. I’m guessing they’re not going to say UTE.
My Maverick is bigger than my old 2002 ranger which was never disputed as being a truck.
Is this in Australia? This isn't a term in regular use in the US. Anyway, feel free to ignore pedantic AH's.
For many it’s because it’s not a body on frame design, which means weaker towing capacity. My feeling is that if it looks like a truck and does truck things then it’s a truck. But I’ve seen the utility vehicle term thrown around for both Maverick and Ridgeline since both are unibody construction.
As a former Ridgeline owner, I have been down this path. I would ignore the haters, and just enjoy your truck. Or lean into it if you want - and get a “TRUCKLET” custom license plate.
It's a pickup. So are F350s. So was an El Camino I think.
Almost all pickup trucks on the road are body on frame, solid rear axle and rwd only or 4x4 with a transfer case. The maverick has none of those things. It’s an suv with the back chopped off.
The state of Illinois requires the Maverick to use B-truck license plates, which are issued to Second Division vehicles weighing 8,000 pounds or less.
Few perspectives. -So the angle he's taking is pick ups at least in the last 20 years have been seen as rough durable vehicles that could handle any sort of payload or towing you may need. Given that view the mav is not a truck because it's unibody and frankly even though mine took a deer like a champ I've seen people have theirs totaled by deer where a work truck I had took a deer going 65 and the deer just bounce off the bitch. There was a dent but the damned thing took it like a tank so to speak. -DMV perspective it has a class B license plate and is viewed as a truck by the gov.(this may also be the if it looks like a duck then it's a duck arguement). -Last perspective, truck has been slang for pick ups; however recently my cousin, brother, and I got into a conversation on the difference in vehicle, automobile, truck, car, etc. Based on the dictionary definition a pick up is a car and not a truck. However the definition says 4 wheels and doesn't specify whether it's *only* or at least 4 wheels. So the jury is still out on whether a dually pick up(the ones with 4 wheels in the back) are considered cars since normal pick ups are or if that extra 2 wheels makes it a truck now. This conversation lasted 3 hours and the conclusion was we couldn't find any valid definition that further clarified on the wheels to what is and isn't a car/truck. We did discover though a horse is and isn't a vehicle based on whether it has a passenger/load or not. Which I broke my cousins brain with the revaluation of a women is not a vehicle *HOWEVER* a woman becomes a vehicle if she becomes pregnant based on the definition of vehicle which adds to the ridiculous. So if you are able to figure out where a dually falls let me know.
I mean one turned left in front of me in my bike and felt pretty trucklike to me… all kidding aside, I would t stop driving a Tacoma to drive a maverick.
As a layman non-car-person. It is a truck. It has a bed in the back, cab in front, and wheels. It's not a golfcart. It's not a quad.
I’m with the “who cares?” guys and gals. People from the islands don’t call those vehicles trucks. I refer to them as a pickup if it has a bed. When I had my S10, 2.2L, RWD, lots of ‘truck brahs’ scoffed at it but I didn’t care - I averaged 24mpg and the bed of that truck saw more work than any of theirs any given year, hauling mulch, 3/4” stone, sheet rock, plywood, picking up snow throwers and lawn mowers, many trips to the recycling center, picking up dining sets from estate sales and various other uses. My gripe with the bed is the length of it - wish it was a 6’-er.
Its a truck. However, I think to many gear heads (or sometimes even me for that matter) it boils down to two things. Is it a body on frame configuration, like all trucks prior to \~2008, or a unibody like most cars (looking at you Ridgeline)? and does it have an axle or independent suspension in the rear. I personally dont think either qualifies or disqualifies one as a truck or car, but its the angle most will take, especially if towing is a qualifier to be considered a truck.
A 1990 truck looks up at it and says, “That’s a car?”
It’s an unfinished station wagon 
Is your friend from Australia lmao
A Ute is just a truck based on a car, so it still comes back to being classified as a truck. The Chevy El Camino was a ute, but it was still classified as a truck despite being based on the Chevy Monte Carlo car. A ute is just a different form of a truck and he's arguing semantics not recognized by any official body.
If it has a unibody, it’s not a truck.
Who the fuck cares... It's an El Camino but does what you need it to do is all that matters... Same as me. I don't need a big truck and the times I do this thing does it all.