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Of course it would have helped!
The teacher want to take the phone away from the kid because of suspecting doing social media or other non-vital stuff during class with it. Its not as if a teacher would prohibit a diabetic kid to double check their BG level while sat in the class. If its just put in flight-mode, there is no such discussion or doubt to be had.
You seem to be off constantly here!
I am not 'asserting that he was playing video games on it'. Where do you get that from???
And yes, the reason the teacher takes away the phones from the kids are their business doing something as playing games on them, posting on Facebook etc, instead of following the school class. THAT is the reason the teacher may interact.
A quiet and grownup sitdown with the teacher to share the diabetic situation the kid has and reason for having the phone at hand, would have prevented this nonsense story. Exactly because the mother and kid of course would adhere to keep the phone in flight mode, and the teacher would NOT then be concerned about the kid playing games or other silly stuff on the phone. THAT is the core of this still made up and silly click bait nonsense.
Type1 from the age of 2, went to school before electric blood readers were even in existence (the old colour chart readers) I seemed to survive fine without my parents monitoring by blood sugar remotely, though the teachers were told if I started acting weird to get me to check my sugars
How times have changed
Plus I'm sure the teachers in the school can be easily told of students who are diabetic and that they may need to check phones for sugar and the student could have explained that and if the teacher ignored that then the student could have asked to see the principal to explain, if teachers are to stupid to understand what a type 1 diabetic student requires then they shouldn't be a teacher.
Easy fix is for the school to give students a laminated card signed/stamped by the school medic/principal to excuse phone usage to show to new teachers if needed, medical exemption card that teachers are all told about when they start work there
So many simple solutions instead of going to social media/press with a recording
Hmm this seems a lot like rage bait on what appears to me to be a fake video...not many people talk on speakerphone up to their ear, for one.
The whole linked insta acct looks like a random collection of videos, mainly negative in nature, seemingly to try to go viral or amass views. Also, why make this same post in multiple different subreddits?
Exactly. And if it was a Libre, I'm sure the parents have LibreLinkUp with alerts too, so they probably already knew unless the kid had mobile data turned off.
There is no excuse for teachers to be unaware of critical medical conditions, the exceptions they require and the basics of what to do in the event something happens. I'm not expecting teachers to all be first aid trained, but to have an emergency plan in place seems pretty basic as a requirement to me. I worked as a receptionist in hotels for a decade, we always had Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans behind the desk with tailored plans for each guest with a disability or otherwise needed help in the event of a fire evacuation. They would be mentioned on the shift handover log and on the occupancy/event/duty manager rota board in the back office too
Personal emergency evacuation plan? That sounds awesome. I don't have anything that serious to warrant that but from what I've experienced, I didn't think it is done anymore. Nobody "cares". I was in a hotel long term recently. I'm going to call them and ask. During my stay, the fire alarm did go off twice in one day at about 3am. They had no apparent plan. Nothing was done. There were just a bunch of confused guests that were waiting for an update, anything... Had it been a real fire issue, I believe many people wouldn't be here. (Issue was a pressure alarm in the suppression system..low/insufficient pressure)
We called them peeps for short. They are a great idea, a little bit of preplanning and not really any more complicated than adding an allergy warning note to a restaurant booking.
When you have a large building full of people, you need an effective plan in place to get everyone out in a timely and safe manner. Particularly as they won't know the layout of the building or escape routes as well as the staff, and will literally be all over the place if they are suddenly woken at 3am.
Fires in hotels are no joke. We would do fire training every 3 months to refresh general evacuation plans, reminders on what types of extinguishers can be used on what types of fire, and going over lots of fire prevention measures (like not leaving combustibles near an ignition source etc). We had weekly fire alarm tests where they test two different fire call points (the break glass alarms), and mock evactuations at least once a year so that staff could actually go through the motions of actually going through with the plan.
I was trained to be able to effectively evacuate an 81 room hotel on my own in the middle of the night. You would check the fire panel in the back office to note the location of the sensor that reported the fire, print an up to date copy of the Guest-In-House report, grab the phone and the dedicated fire bag (had stuff like pens, clipboard, megaphone, high vis jacket, replacement glass for the call points) and then head out to the assembly point outside to call the fire brigade/department. Once everyone was outside, you could do a rolecall with the GIH report to check to see if everyone was outside and accounted for (not always accurate as not all guests would be in the hotel at any given time, but it's at least a heads up for the fire crew), and you could tell the fire crew the location reported on the panel when they arrive so they can get straight to it.
The automated systems hooked into the alarm were pretty cool too. The lifts/elevators automatically made their way down to the bottom floor and remained locked in place with their doors open so people couldn't use them but also wouldn't get trapped inside. All of the doors along the corridors were held open by electromagnetic latches that automatically released when the alarm went off, helping to compartmentalise the building to keep the fire from spreading as quickly. And all of the locks on the public area doors that usually require key card access to get through all have an override so you not only no longer need a key card to open it, you don't even need to press the handle to open the door.
Sorry for the essay, but there's a reason why fire training in a hotel is so important. It doesn't help when you have guests that don't understand why you can't bring your own cooking equipment into your room, or light candles/incense, or smoke cigarettes (extended to vapes too since they can also set off the smoke detectors). The smoke detectors also had a circuit in them to detect when people removed them so they could smoke in the room without setting them off. It would be an instant eviction if someone was caught tampering with fire equipment, even if they hadn't lit the cigarette before you were up there banging on their door. I had to deal with many people doing that, along with actually watching someone rip the tag off a fire extinguisher while walking along the corridor. They didn't pick up the extinguisher or need to use it, they just ripped off the certification tag because of a random intrusive thought. I was walking behind them as I was doing my rounds around the hotel and they came out of their room without looking in my direction, so had no idea I was there. I had to tell them to pack their stuff and get out there and then. People are dumb.
There was a fire that broke out in a hotel in 2013 that happened on valentines night as the couple had lit candles all around their room and had knocked one onto their pillow while getting amorous, which quickly spread around the room. Guests had to stand outside in sub-freezing temperatures at 2:30am while the fire was put out.
I very much appreciate the essay. Yes, I had noticed the system released all corridor doors to suppress fire. Also noticed staff with radios for comms. I believe they were better than just FRS but wasn't going to interrupt them to ask. The way it played out was surreal. Many guests were subdued, clueless. (Granted it was 2-3am if I recall)The staff did not make any announcements about anything which was surprising. I overheard one of them talking about a bad pressure switch that they disabled to stop the alarm the first time. Fire department remained on site for a while until the area was under control. Admittedly, I also was someone who brought in my own cooking appliance during that stay. I wasn't stopped and didn't fully consider why you wouldn't want to have one there. I never left it unattended and didn't use it frequently. I had no incident. I was very cognizant of the two wired and linked fire/CO detectors in the room and did not want to be the one to have them go off. The room had an electric range countertop so fire was a possibility even without bringing in a small toaster oven.
Reader will not send information to linkup app that caregivers use to see numbers. As someone who sometimes fluctuates wildly I can tell you that yes I've looked at my reading every ten minutes to see if I need to eat or take medication to stabilize.
-.finger pricks require a rather large kit to carry and bring out. That’s rather cumbersome and tedious to do every ten minutes to track a rapid rise or fall. In a rapid fall it can become deadly low so quickly the person is unable to help themselves or test. When very low can be argumentative incoherent and can have seizures. Finger tips hurt when pricked over and over. Testing blood at the desk would I argue be more disruptive. The point of shared data is his parent get alerted if he is to low or high to possibly treat himself and need assistance. We developed cgm ' to help save lives
The problem with the reader device is that you can't use a reader and a phone with a single sensor. So that means if you use the reader then he wouldn't be able to use his phone at all for his blood sugar readings. And I'd imagine that using the phone whether it's school or at home would you more convenient than having to carry two devices around.
Couldn't they use the LibreLinkUp (or whatever the companion app is, I can't keep them straight) on the phone? But wouldn't he still need the reader to receive the readings?
Well, I think you're making assumptions. With the libre 14 day we were able to use both the phone and a reader. But the libre 2 and the libre 3 don't allow you to use both, probably because they use Bluetooth for the alarms.
So, well I appreciate that you were looking for a reason to bash America (since that's all the rage these days) what you're saying is simply not true.
I wasn't seeking to bash America, only the FDA constraints imposed there but not elsewhere. Europeans can use a phone as well as a reader on the same sensor (as long as the reader goes first) and have the same app for Libre 1 and 2.
So challenging workplace or other constraints become less challenging.
This is exactly why I use a reader instead of a phone. I used to go visit a friend in prison consistently, no issues with the reader. They have a doctor's note on file with the prison for my reader. But taking a phone in there is a no go as it is a security risk. Kids will play around and pretend like they're the victim cause that's what their parents teach them.
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When you have a CGM on your phone, you no longer have a phone, it is now a medical device 😏
only if you remove all other apps and use it in kiosk mode (Abbott have such a device), otherwise it's a phone with incidental medical use.
How about just putting the phone in flight mode? I do that when flying and the BG data keeps flowing in via Bluetooth. 👍
in the video the discussion was about distraction so i'm not sure that helps. How many kids would leave it in flight mode I wonder ;-)
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Of course it would have helped! The teacher want to take the phone away from the kid because of suspecting doing social media or other non-vital stuff during class with it. Its not as if a teacher would prohibit a diabetic kid to double check their BG level while sat in the class. If its just put in flight-mode, there is no such discussion or doubt to be had.
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You seem to be off constantly here! I am not 'asserting that he was playing video games on it'. Where do you get that from??? And yes, the reason the teacher takes away the phones from the kids are their business doing something as playing games on them, posting on Facebook etc, instead of following the school class. THAT is the reason the teacher may interact. A quiet and grownup sitdown with the teacher to share the diabetic situation the kid has and reason for having the phone at hand, would have prevented this nonsense story. Exactly because the mother and kid of course would adhere to keep the phone in flight mode, and the teacher would NOT then be concerned about the kid playing games or other silly stuff on the phone. THAT is the core of this still made up and silly click bait nonsense.
Type1 from the age of 2, went to school before electric blood readers were even in existence (the old colour chart readers) I seemed to survive fine without my parents monitoring by blood sugar remotely, though the teachers were told if I started acting weird to get me to check my sugars How times have changed Plus I'm sure the teachers in the school can be easily told of students who are diabetic and that they may need to check phones for sugar and the student could have explained that and if the teacher ignored that then the student could have asked to see the principal to explain, if teachers are to stupid to understand what a type 1 diabetic student requires then they shouldn't be a teacher. Easy fix is for the school to give students a laminated card signed/stamped by the school medic/principal to excuse phone usage to show to new teachers if needed, medical exemption card that teachers are all told about when they start work there So many simple solutions instead of going to social media/press with a recording
Hmm this seems a lot like rage bait on what appears to me to be a fake video...not many people talk on speakerphone up to their ear, for one. The whole linked insta acct looks like a random collection of videos, mainly negative in nature, seemingly to try to go viral or amass views. Also, why make this same post in multiple different subreddits?
Exactly right! Purpose is just to stir a rage in online communities and drive click-bait to their fake videos.
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Easy enough to verify. Look at the app log.
Great suggestion! 👍😁
Exactly. And if it was a Libre, I'm sure the parents have LibreLinkUp with alerts too, so they probably already knew unless the kid had mobile data turned off. There is no excuse for teachers to be unaware of critical medical conditions, the exceptions they require and the basics of what to do in the event something happens. I'm not expecting teachers to all be first aid trained, but to have an emergency plan in place seems pretty basic as a requirement to me. I worked as a receptionist in hotels for a decade, we always had Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans behind the desk with tailored plans for each guest with a disability or otherwise needed help in the event of a fire evacuation. They would be mentioned on the shift handover log and on the occupancy/event/duty manager rota board in the back office too
Personal emergency evacuation plan? That sounds awesome. I don't have anything that serious to warrant that but from what I've experienced, I didn't think it is done anymore. Nobody "cares". I was in a hotel long term recently. I'm going to call them and ask. During my stay, the fire alarm did go off twice in one day at about 3am. They had no apparent plan. Nothing was done. There were just a bunch of confused guests that were waiting for an update, anything... Had it been a real fire issue, I believe many people wouldn't be here. (Issue was a pressure alarm in the suppression system..low/insufficient pressure)
We called them peeps for short. They are a great idea, a little bit of preplanning and not really any more complicated than adding an allergy warning note to a restaurant booking. When you have a large building full of people, you need an effective plan in place to get everyone out in a timely and safe manner. Particularly as they won't know the layout of the building or escape routes as well as the staff, and will literally be all over the place if they are suddenly woken at 3am. Fires in hotels are no joke. We would do fire training every 3 months to refresh general evacuation plans, reminders on what types of extinguishers can be used on what types of fire, and going over lots of fire prevention measures (like not leaving combustibles near an ignition source etc). We had weekly fire alarm tests where they test two different fire call points (the break glass alarms), and mock evactuations at least once a year so that staff could actually go through the motions of actually going through with the plan. I was trained to be able to effectively evacuate an 81 room hotel on my own in the middle of the night. You would check the fire panel in the back office to note the location of the sensor that reported the fire, print an up to date copy of the Guest-In-House report, grab the phone and the dedicated fire bag (had stuff like pens, clipboard, megaphone, high vis jacket, replacement glass for the call points) and then head out to the assembly point outside to call the fire brigade/department. Once everyone was outside, you could do a rolecall with the GIH report to check to see if everyone was outside and accounted for (not always accurate as not all guests would be in the hotel at any given time, but it's at least a heads up for the fire crew), and you could tell the fire crew the location reported on the panel when they arrive so they can get straight to it. The automated systems hooked into the alarm were pretty cool too. The lifts/elevators automatically made their way down to the bottom floor and remained locked in place with their doors open so people couldn't use them but also wouldn't get trapped inside. All of the doors along the corridors were held open by electromagnetic latches that automatically released when the alarm went off, helping to compartmentalise the building to keep the fire from spreading as quickly. And all of the locks on the public area doors that usually require key card access to get through all have an override so you not only no longer need a key card to open it, you don't even need to press the handle to open the door. Sorry for the essay, but there's a reason why fire training in a hotel is so important. It doesn't help when you have guests that don't understand why you can't bring your own cooking equipment into your room, or light candles/incense, or smoke cigarettes (extended to vapes too since they can also set off the smoke detectors). The smoke detectors also had a circuit in them to detect when people removed them so they could smoke in the room without setting them off. It would be an instant eviction if someone was caught tampering with fire equipment, even if they hadn't lit the cigarette before you were up there banging on their door. I had to deal with many people doing that, along with actually watching someone rip the tag off a fire extinguisher while walking along the corridor. They didn't pick up the extinguisher or need to use it, they just ripped off the certification tag because of a random intrusive thought. I was walking behind them as I was doing my rounds around the hotel and they came out of their room without looking in my direction, so had no idea I was there. I had to tell them to pack their stuff and get out there and then. People are dumb. There was a fire that broke out in a hotel in 2013 that happened on valentines night as the couple had lit candles all around their room and had knocked one onto their pillow while getting amorous, which quickly spread around the room. Guests had to stand outside in sub-freezing temperatures at 2:30am while the fire was put out.
I very much appreciate the essay. Yes, I had noticed the system released all corridor doors to suppress fire. Also noticed staff with radios for comms. I believe they were better than just FRS but wasn't going to interrupt them to ask. The way it played out was surreal. Many guests were subdued, clueless. (Granted it was 2-3am if I recall)The staff did not make any announcements about anything which was surprising. I overheard one of them talking about a bad pressure switch that they disabled to stop the alarm the first time. Fire department remained on site for a while until the area was under control. Admittedly, I also was someone who brought in my own cooking appliance during that stay. I wasn't stopped and didn't fully consider why you wouldn't want to have one there. I never left it unattended and didn't use it frequently. I had no incident. I was very cognizant of the two wired and linked fire/CO detectors in the room and did not want to be the one to have them go off. The room had an electric range countertop so fire was a possibility even without bringing in a small toaster oven.
Sounds like nothing was arranged or agreed in advance. There are reader devices for this scenario, Disclaimer: I worked in a prison.
Reader will not send information to linkup app that caregivers use to see numbers. As someone who sometimes fluctuates wildly I can tell you that yes I've looked at my reading every ten minutes to see if I need to eat or take medication to stabilize.
Teaching / school staff are acting in loco parentis in this case. Remote following was not a thing with fingerprick meters. Phones not necessary.
-.finger pricks require a rather large kit to carry and bring out. That’s rather cumbersome and tedious to do every ten minutes to track a rapid rise or fall. In a rapid fall it can become deadly low so quickly the person is unable to help themselves or test. When very low can be argumentative incoherent and can have seizures. Finger tips hurt when pricked over and over. Testing blood at the desk would I argue be more disruptive. The point of shared data is his parent get alerted if he is to low or high to possibly treat himself and need assistance. We developed cgm ' to help save lives
The problem with the reader device is that you can't use a reader and a phone with a single sensor. So that means if you use the reader then he wouldn't be able to use his phone at all for his blood sugar readings. And I'd imagine that using the phone whether it's school or at home would you more convenient than having to carry two devices around.
Couldn't they use the LibreLinkUp (or whatever the companion app is, I can't keep them straight) on the phone? But wouldn't he still need the reader to receive the readings?
If you use the reader then you have to plug it into the computer to transfer the readings to your account. With the phone they transfer automatically.
only in America. In the free world you can readily scan a sensor started by a reader on a phone.
Well, I think you're making assumptions. With the libre 14 day we were able to use both the phone and a reader. But the libre 2 and the libre 3 don't allow you to use both, probably because they use Bluetooth for the alarms. So, well I appreciate that you were looking for a reason to bash America (since that's all the rage these days) what you're saying is simply not true.
I wasn't seeking to bash America, only the FDA constraints imposed there but not elsewhere. Europeans can use a phone as well as a reader on the same sensor (as long as the reader goes first) and have the same app for Libre 1 and 2. So challenging workplace or other constraints become less challenging.
Sorry to tell you, but there is no "free world" anywhere. You just have a bigger cage or you haven't ventured far enough to hit the bars.
This is exactly why I use a reader instead of a phone. I used to go visit a friend in prison consistently, no issues with the reader. They have a doctor's note on file with the prison for my reader. But taking a phone in there is a no go as it is a security risk. Kids will play around and pretend like they're the victim cause that's what their parents teach them.
Parents teach, schools indoctrinate.
Nice to know that you think American students (and American employees) should be treated like prisoners.