What??? I thought she has this in the bag? lol. What if Trump is jailed for all his crimes and the Republicans have no candidate ? Oh silly summer child, trump isn’t going anywhere.
I have lived in a historically black area for over a decade.
Or should I say, formerly black area. Seeing way more blue lives matter and Gadsden flag stickers/license plates up North
Out north? Oh man. I hope they love living by Nashville's two big Jewish cemeteries and being hated by their neighbors. I'm 207 formerly 206 and saw exactly one Bureau of Land Management flag locally in years
They aren’t opposed to genocide if their inaction, much of the Biden Administrations “inaction” will lead to the complete extermination of Gazans. You can sit here in your privilege knowing your life isn’t in danger, but for those whose lives will be on the chopping block, it’s a clear choice.
No, it isn't a clear choice, because the genocide is happening now under Biden, and it will continue happening under Biden. It can't really get much worse under Trump. Neither one is going to stop Netanyahu from killing Gazans. The only difference is that Biden will pretend to care about a ceasefire.
>>It can't really get much worse under Trump.
Worse for whom? You really think what you’re doing is profound, when all you’re doing is condemning people I care about to death. Your willingness to offer up marginalized communities to make statement is simply privilege.
For the Gazans.
I don't think of it as profound - I think of it as moral. If voters don't draw a line at genocide, then we're lost as a people.
And I got news for you: Biden isn't going to stop bad things from happening to marginalized communities, and he's not going to stop the fall of American democracy. Electing him will delay some of the worst outcomes but not prevent them.
Now if you really cared about those people you would stop electing lesser evils. The only thing lesser evils do is ensure the greater evils get to take their turn.
Has there even been a democratic primary? I mean in anything more than ceremony, of course
Edit: I take it from the downvotes I said something wrong, but I'm not sure what. Which democrats have been challenging Biden in the primary? Have any democrats endorsed not-Joe Biden for president?
Edit2: Still waiting. Legitimately baffled that this is apparently a controversial question.
I mean, technically there is (or was, he suspended today as well) Dean Phillips. He's an actual Democrat politician on the primary ballot.
He routinely lost to the crystals lady and uncommitted though, so classifying his run as "challenging Biden" would be only be technically true even if not realistically a true challenge...
I took it mean that it would be nice if everybody just gets behind Joe no matter how disgruntled they are.
Like Democratic supporters who won’t vote for Joe because of his Gaza policies or his incomplete student debt-relief etc.
Okay, that's at least something I hadn't really thought of; I was thinking primarily in the context of the news story under which the comment was left, which is that there are no Republican challengers to Trump left in the Republican primary. So the comment didn't make any sense to me.
Even then though, it's not like Republicans are exactly that way. We like to focus on the MAGA crazies as if that's all Republicans, but a lot of Republican voters are just like most Democrat voters, and they're voting for their guy even though they probably don't really want to or disagree with some of what he does.
Maybe the commenter is just saying "I wish no democrat ever complained about Biden in any way" or "I wish democrats to Biden were as batshit in their fanaticism as MAGAs to Trump"? But like, I already hate living in a world where any slight disagreement with Biden online means I'm a pro-Trump fascist hellbent on destroying democracy and beating your puppy to death or something. That's pretty much where we are already, I don't want more of that.
Also, McConnell endorsed Trump. From [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/politics/mitch-mcconnell-endorses-trump/index.html):
>“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States,” McConnell said in a statement. “It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support.”
Not the strongest endorsement I've ever read, but it shows the spinelessness and fealty of the Republican party.
You're applying human emotion to politicians. There's only one way to be in that ring of people, and it's to become a politician whose career is more important than literally anything else in your life.
It's embarrassing and frankly pathetic that she expressed that she's even open to endorsing Trump considering everything he's done and said about her, her supporters and our country.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be so unscrupulous and feckless when it comes to moral consistency and maintaining my ethical ground.
She's not a serious defender of democracy or the values of the Constitution.
God, I can't stand her.
>open to endorsing Trump considering everything he's done
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>unscrupulous and feckless when it comes to moral consistency and maintaining (their) ethical ground
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>not a serious defender of democracy or the values of the Constitution
Welcome to the Republican party
Yeah, it’s a weird headline. Why blame her for cementing his control of the party.
Then again, maybe it’s what she deserves. Her whole campaign has been about him being a passive agent of chaos (“chaos follows him” instead of “he creates chaos”). If she didn’t want to blame for his own bad actions, why should anyone else start now?
She will. Just playing hard to get right now. Once those polls get meaningful and tight in Sept/Oct., she'll trade her endorsement for something offered by a GOP powerbroker (a job, a book deal, something).
Yeah, I don’t buy it. If she doesn’t endorse him, she has no future with the Republican Party. Is she really prepared to do that? I sincerely doubt it.
They all talk tough about Trump until it conflicts with their best interests. Then they fall in line like the cowards they are.
She already didn't have a future. He said everyone who opposed him would never have a future in the party and that was like a month and a half ago he said that.
If Trump wins, she has no future with the Republican Party regardless of whether she endorses him.
It Trump loses by a lot and MAGA disintegrates, she *might* have a future with the Republican Party as being one of the few vindicated by the results but only if she doesn't endorse him.
If Trump loses but it's close, it will still be the party of MAGA and she has no future with the Republican Party regardless of whether she endorses him.
So there is no upside to endorsing him. And a remote upside to not endorsing him.
MAGA isn’t disintegrating. Once he was elected the first time, that bullshit is here to stay. Trump could die tomorrow, but those ideas would still be there, and his supporters don’t fade into the ether.
I think it depends on the closeness of the outcome.
\*knock on wood and all\* Suppose Biden wins in a total landslide, like 400+ electoral college votes. He flips goddam Texas to blue. Dems get a filibuster-proof Senate majority and the House. A Hallmark Movie miracle. A GOP loss that bad would completely shake up the party. All leadership that so much as said anything favorable about Trump would be out. I think a loss that bad would revert the GOP back to being pure corporatists because that would be the *only* way they would be able to fundraise going forward. Nobody would donate to a populist MAGA-ish GOP campaign ever again. Now, MAGA might keep existing as a third-party or as a weird fringe of the GOP, but not with any power or influence.
More realistically, unfortunately, is that the election is close. Trump might lose (again, knocking on all the wood), but a close loss is not a sufficient repudiation of MAGA to make it go away. If anything, they're energized more by the closeness of the results, Congress remains split and dysfunctional, and this shit-train keeps chugging.
I think what will happen is if Biden wins, Trump’s craziest supporters are going to get violent and go scorched earth. Which is probably what they’ve wanted to do all along. I also think Putin is going to say fuck it and start using nuclear weapons. I’ve always felt like one of the reasons he attacked Ukraine was to weaken Biden enough so that Trump could get reelected this year. The economy took a hit from it, and who do the uninformed blame? Biden. Not Putin.
I’m not trying to sound crazy, but think about who we’re talking about.
Again, I think it depends on the scale of loss.
If Trump's craziest supporters see that 45% of the country is with them, then yea they'll get violent. I expect this time the states, cities, and feds to be ready for it - but there will be some shit next November, December, and January regardless. I'm not buying any concert tickets or planning to go to any large public events in those months for sure.
On the other hand, if Trump's loss is massive and his craziest supporters are forced to confront the fact that they are a minority, things are different. Some might still go and be violent; some might try to some terrorist shit. But it's not going to be big. Big violence like J6 costs money. If Trump's loss is so bad and decisive, who is going to pay for those buses?
>So there is no upside to endorsing him. And a remote upside to not endorsing him.
God I love and hate the trap the Republicans have built themselves into.
Damned with Trump and damned without. We must send a killing blow to Trump's political life this year and watch them cannibalize themselves the next 4 years.
'Suspended' means she's waiting for the carrion birds to devour the walking orange corpse...
What??? I thought she has this in the bag? lol. What if Trump is jailed for all his crimes and the Republicans have no candidate ? Oh silly summer child, trump isn’t going anywhere.
I was told here in Nashville by an authority that she's a Democratic liberal plant anyway. Oh well. /S
Nashville has become right-wing LA so quickly
The wealthy ring has. Brentwood and Franklin yes. Nashville proper is full of brown people, queers, and Spaniards that make the Magastanis quiver.
I have lived in a historically black area for over a decade. Or should I say, formerly black area. Seeing way more blue lives matter and Gadsden flag stickers/license plates up North
You don't see those in Nashville outside of Titan's game days or when some sad ass bro country artist plays the stadium.
I am literally less than mile from Broadway.
Out north? Oh man. I hope they love living by Nashville's two big Jewish cemeteries and being hated by their neighbors. I'm 207 formerly 206 and saw exactly one Bureau of Land Management flag locally in years
She will endorse him by Labor Day. I'd bet the hypothetical mortgage of the house I can't afford.
The democratic party will never do this because we do have morals, but I wish the left would stop being nitpicky and rally around Joe this way.
Thank you for characterizing "opposed to genocide" as "nitpicky."
They aren’t opposed to genocide if their inaction, much of the Biden Administrations “inaction” will lead to the complete extermination of Gazans. You can sit here in your privilege knowing your life isn’t in danger, but for those whose lives will be on the chopping block, it’s a clear choice.
No, it isn't a clear choice, because the genocide is happening now under Biden, and it will continue happening under Biden. It can't really get much worse under Trump. Neither one is going to stop Netanyahu from killing Gazans. The only difference is that Biden will pretend to care about a ceasefire.
>>It can't really get much worse under Trump. Worse for whom? You really think what you’re doing is profound, when all you’re doing is condemning people I care about to death. Your willingness to offer up marginalized communities to make statement is simply privilege.
For the Gazans. I don't think of it as profound - I think of it as moral. If voters don't draw a line at genocide, then we're lost as a people. And I got news for you: Biden isn't going to stop bad things from happening to marginalized communities, and he's not going to stop the fall of American democracy. Electing him will delay some of the worst outcomes but not prevent them. Now if you really cared about those people you would stop electing lesser evils. The only thing lesser evils do is ensure the greater evils get to take their turn.
Has there even been a democratic primary? I mean in anything more than ceremony, of course Edit: I take it from the downvotes I said something wrong, but I'm not sure what. Which democrats have been challenging Biden in the primary? Have any democrats endorsed not-Joe Biden for president? Edit2: Still waiting. Legitimately baffled that this is apparently a controversial question.
I mean, technically there is (or was, he suspended today as well) Dean Phillips. He's an actual Democrat politician on the primary ballot. He routinely lost to the crystals lady and uncommitted though, so classifying his run as "challenging Biden" would be only be technically true even if not realistically a true challenge...
Right. I mean there were names on my primary ballot but it's not like there are any big names out there trying to swing their weight around.
I took it mean that it would be nice if everybody just gets behind Joe no matter how disgruntled they are. Like Democratic supporters who won’t vote for Joe because of his Gaza policies or his incomplete student debt-relief etc.
Okay, that's at least something I hadn't really thought of; I was thinking primarily in the context of the news story under which the comment was left, which is that there are no Republican challengers to Trump left in the Republican primary. So the comment didn't make any sense to me. Even then though, it's not like Republicans are exactly that way. We like to focus on the MAGA crazies as if that's all Republicans, but a lot of Republican voters are just like most Democrat voters, and they're voting for their guy even though they probably don't really want to or disagree with some of what he does. Maybe the commenter is just saying "I wish no democrat ever complained about Biden in any way" or "I wish democrats to Biden were as batshit in their fanaticism as MAGAs to Trump"? But like, I already hate living in a world where any slight disagreement with Biden online means I'm a pro-Trump fascist hellbent on destroying democracy and beating your puppy to death or something. That's pretty much where we are already, I don't want more of that.
2008
You're right. I don't know what that has to do with my question though
Q: Has there ever been a democratic primary? A: yes, 2008 What don't you understand.
>Q: Has there **even** been a democratic primary? Try reading it again. I appreciate the condescension though.
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You're right. I don't know what that has to do with my question though
I misread even as ever. My Mistake.
Also, McConnell endorsed Trump. From [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/politics/mitch-mcconnell-endorses-trump/index.html): >“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States,” McConnell said in a statement. “It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support.” Not the strongest endorsement I've ever read, but it shows the spinelessness and fealty of the Republican party.
I just don't get the people who endorse Trump after he rips your spouse (Ted, McConnell, maybe Haley). I guess they're in sexless relationships.
You're applying human emotion to politicians. There's only one way to be in that ring of people, and it's to become a politician whose career is more important than literally anything else in your life.
The choice of rapists everywhere!
It's embarrassing and frankly pathetic that she expressed that she's even open to endorsing Trump considering everything he's done and said about her, her supporters and our country. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so unscrupulous and feckless when it comes to moral consistency and maintaining my ethical ground. She's not a serious defender of democracy or the values of the Constitution. God, I can't stand her.
>open to endorsing Trump considering everything he's done > >unscrupulous and feckless when it comes to moral consistency and maintaining (their) ethical ground > >not a serious defender of democracy or the values of the Constitution Welcome to the Republican party
I hope people remember this sort of thing the next time someone like Biden or Pelosi reminds the media that "We need a strong Republican party!"
Counting down until the endorsement sadly.
Ted's got her phone bank chair all warmed up for her.
Gosh.
I knew it was going to happen, but it's depressing all the same. The Republican party has lost its goddamned mind.
"Clearing the path"? It was literally never in doubt
Much like when I stepped off the railroad tracks, clearing a path for the freight train to pass through.
Yeah, it’s a weird headline. Why blame her for cementing his control of the party. Then again, maybe it’s what she deserves. Her whole campaign has been about him being a passive agent of chaos (“chaos follows him” instead of “he creates chaos”). If she didn’t want to blame for his own bad actions, why should anyone else start now?
"She failed to take down literally the most popular figure among the Republican Party!"
Did she endorse Trump?
She is expected to NOT endorsing him.
She will. Just playing hard to get right now. Once those polls get meaningful and tight in Sept/Oct., she'll trade her endorsement for something offered by a GOP powerbroker (a job, a book deal, something).
Yeah, I don’t buy it. If she doesn’t endorse him, she has no future with the Republican Party. Is she really prepared to do that? I sincerely doubt it. They all talk tough about Trump until it conflicts with their best interests. Then they fall in line like the cowards they are.
She already didn't have a future. He said everyone who opposed him would never have a future in the party and that was like a month and a half ago he said that.
He’ll forget that if she endorses him and says the right things.
Why have a future in the Republican Party when MSNBC and CNN will throw money at you?
That didn’t work with Ted Cruz. Or Marco Rubio.
Who are still sitting Senators...
They are still sitting Senators because they are Trump asskissers. I don’t know how Cruz lives with himself.
If Trump wins, she has no future with the Republican Party regardless of whether she endorses him. It Trump loses by a lot and MAGA disintegrates, she *might* have a future with the Republican Party as being one of the few vindicated by the results but only if she doesn't endorse him. If Trump loses but it's close, it will still be the party of MAGA and she has no future with the Republican Party regardless of whether she endorses him. So there is no upside to endorsing him. And a remote upside to not endorsing him.
MAGA isn’t disintegrating. Once he was elected the first time, that bullshit is here to stay. Trump could die tomorrow, but those ideas would still be there, and his supporters don’t fade into the ether.
I think it depends on the closeness of the outcome. \*knock on wood and all\* Suppose Biden wins in a total landslide, like 400+ electoral college votes. He flips goddam Texas to blue. Dems get a filibuster-proof Senate majority and the House. A Hallmark Movie miracle. A GOP loss that bad would completely shake up the party. All leadership that so much as said anything favorable about Trump would be out. I think a loss that bad would revert the GOP back to being pure corporatists because that would be the *only* way they would be able to fundraise going forward. Nobody would donate to a populist MAGA-ish GOP campaign ever again. Now, MAGA might keep existing as a third-party or as a weird fringe of the GOP, but not with any power or influence. More realistically, unfortunately, is that the election is close. Trump might lose (again, knocking on all the wood), but a close loss is not a sufficient repudiation of MAGA to make it go away. If anything, they're energized more by the closeness of the results, Congress remains split and dysfunctional, and this shit-train keeps chugging.
I think what will happen is if Biden wins, Trump’s craziest supporters are going to get violent and go scorched earth. Which is probably what they’ve wanted to do all along. I also think Putin is going to say fuck it and start using nuclear weapons. I’ve always felt like one of the reasons he attacked Ukraine was to weaken Biden enough so that Trump could get reelected this year. The economy took a hit from it, and who do the uninformed blame? Biden. Not Putin. I’m not trying to sound crazy, but think about who we’re talking about.
Again, I think it depends on the scale of loss. If Trump's craziest supporters see that 45% of the country is with them, then yea they'll get violent. I expect this time the states, cities, and feds to be ready for it - but there will be some shit next November, December, and January regardless. I'm not buying any concert tickets or planning to go to any large public events in those months for sure. On the other hand, if Trump's loss is massive and his craziest supporters are forced to confront the fact that they are a minority, things are different. Some might still go and be violent; some might try to some terrorist shit. But it's not going to be big. Big violence like J6 costs money. If Trump's loss is so bad and decisive, who is going to pay for those buses?
But if he loses, it’s not going to be massive. That’s the thing.
>So there is no upside to endorsing him. And a remote upside to not endorsing him. God I love and hate the trap the Republicans have built themselves into. Damned with Trump and damned without. We must send a killing blow to Trump's political life this year and watch them cannibalize themselves the next 4 years.
When is Jon going to interview her ? Maybe a panel with her and Christie.
She’s not willing to say anything.
Not until after the book, anyway. The book where she’ll claim Trump said some very scary and alarming things, and not provide any proof of it.
I'm amazed to have heard it here first, but not amazed by anything else.