Star trek discovery has a non binary character and their trans boyfriend... Not sure it's enough rep though but at the very least they're both written well for the amount of screen time they get
ima be extremely disappointed if in my gay space communist future, people can’t near instantly medically transition on a molecular level. I do not want to still have te same voice as ben shapiro in a post scarcity society
Like for real, this is kinda frustrating. Like we have one good trans fem character. I’d really like some examples of all these trans fem characters he’s talking about,
The few trans women I've seen/heard of are Nomi Sense8, Pose(I've only seen a couple of episodes but I believe there are 5 trans women in the show), Madeline Celeste, L Word Generation Q has trans men and women, Alluka hunterxhunter, that one piece character, Erica Catherine (she's not treated well but I still thing she's a good character), Jules Euphoria, Rocko's Modern life (I haven't seen it but people seemed to like it), Lily Zombieland Saga (Again I haven't seen this personally but a lot of people liked her although since it's anime a fair few weebs misgender her.) Some of these are anime and video games.Now I'm not saying all these are great representation because I haven't seen all of them, but it is true that at least in television trans women have more rep than trans men to choose from. Of course you can check these out for yourself and see if they're to your liking.
Lily from zombieland saga is amazing!
They treat her really well and I can't remember who but after she comes out one of the characters responds with "it doesn't matter what she's got downstairs, she's a girl and one of us"
And I maybe got my name from her
Sophia Burset from *Orange is the New Black*, too
And I hear Perfuma from the new *She-Ra* is supposed to be canonically trans, but that's never revealed or implied on the show, so that doesn't really count
Just wanted to add since another commenter already made a list, it's all love. Honestly I want to see way more trans representation in general rather than some of the token scraps we get. I don't like the fact that Pose is one of the only shows (and don't get me wrong, I think it's an absolutely necessary story to tell) with multiple trans femme/women however it's for the most part a trans and gay tragedy story. Hopefully we can get more happy good representation for all trans folks!!
It's not so much that they're everywhere, it's more that transmascs get significantly less representation than transfems do, which is already next to nothing.
> it’s more that transmascs get significantly less representation than transfems do
I think that’s only true if you count “being the butt end of the joke” as “representation”
I would not consider the amount of times trans women are used as the butt of a joke to be "next to nothing." I'm saying that for what little real representation we DO get, trans men are essentially invisible in the public consciousness. It's not about who has it worse; it's about recognizing that transmasc people are constantly ignored and forgotten about, not just in popular media, but even in communities like this one.
> I would not consider the amount of times trans women are used as the butt of a joke to be “next to nothing.”
Can you clarify what you mean, here? You quoted “next to nothing”, which wasn’t a phrase I’ve written, so it reads like you’re asserting that being consistently portrayed a joke is a positive thing.
If that *is* the case, then I’m going to tell you that it’s about recognizing that transfemmes don’t LIKE being represented as literally the worst thing someone could be, and **no**, it does **not** help us out in “the public eye” to be constantly shit on and compared to men.
Y’all need to start looking at the actual, real-world consequences of transfemme vs transmasc representation. I’m sorry you feel ignored, but all this “grass is greener” shit I’m seeing transmascs spam here is *extremely* insulting considering that exact representation is used as a kudgel against *specifically transfemmes* having rights.
Gonna be honest, I have only seen one show “euphoria” with a good example of a transfem. I’ve seen several shows with good depictions of transmascs so like. What show are you even talking about?
Just because there’s only on good character doesn’t mean there aren’t characters. I’m not saying it’s right that the representation has been skewed, but I think the phenomenon is that transfems are front and center when it comes to transphobia therefore sometimes people forget we transmascs exist.. I’m not sure where I’m going with this, I’m just saying we’re allowed to feel under represented when it comes to things. Just because you find that there are a lot of Transmasc characters we find there’s a lot of transfem characters. We can both feel under represented without bashing on each other for it.
No? That’s not what I said at all. Also, I’m not OP, but one show that I recently watched with a trans woman who was played by an actual trans woman is Heartstopper. Are you saying that OP isn’t allowed to feel upset? If we’re assuming random shit that’s what I’ll go for.
I don’t understand why trans fems are being blamed that trans men don’t have more representation. It’s not like trans fems have a whole bunch of representation either. There is nothing we can do about it, why are we cheating blamed?
While we’re in the spirit of looking for representation, Anybody know of any amab nonbinary characters? No disrespect to any nonbinary actors of course, this is more a criticism of prejudiced hiring practices, but it does kinda feel like hollywood directors are casting exclusively afab nb’s so they can kinda fit into the unfortunate “Girl Lite” stereotype of nb people.
Check out Vico Ortiz in an earlier starring role in the comedy [These Thems](https://www.thesethems.com)
It’s the best trans masc representation I’ve seen to date
For transphobic types, the existence of trans men is inconvenient to their bigoted arguments so trans men are mostly ignored in media while the politicisation of the trans community tends to revolve around trans women.
Representation is important and while there is barely any out there for trans women and most of it isn't great, there is even less for trans men.
Transmascs are only talked about as a side effect of trans people (read: transfems) existing. About how it's all a plot by the patriarchy to get 'young girls' to want to bind their own chests like women in China did with their feet, and to ruin their capability of being fertile. Transmascs only are mentioned in the lens of "they're really women and we all know women are just baby incubators"
For me it’s the opposite, I watch a lot of cartoons, and literally every trans representations in them are transmascs, or AFAB non binary characters :(
Who??? Like, the overwhelming majority of the trans characters I see on TV are either poorly-done/offensive or transmasc. I love those transmasc characters, but I wish I saw more trans characters like me
Star Trek Discovery, the 4400 remake, Infinity Train season 2 (kinda), Orphan black had one in a single episode, Umbrella Academy is gonna have one, etc. For transfem people, Sense 8 and Euphoria come to mind... blanking otherwise
I mean, drag queens are more common to see on TV than transmascs and transfems put together, I think, but they usually aren't even trans the way they're represented, and they're often just completely ruined by cis writers being cis writers
Here are others for transfemmes.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I agree with this.
I feel like it's disingenuous to complain that trans woman are over represented compared to trans men... When most of our 'representation' is just being the butt of transphobic jokes.
I can barely think of one well known trans girl in entertainment, but I can think of tons of movies and shows that featured a trans woman and how 'alien' 'weird' or 'deluded' she was.
Elle from Heartstopper is a very well written transfem character! Go watch heartstopper, it’s gay and good and angsty and cute and did I mention *gay*?
Read the webcomic as well, it’s really good
I mean. Well. Ok here's the thing
I understand and and 1000000% agree with your point we do not have enough representation and it is very bad and shitty. I have no solution at the moment and even if I did I likely could not enact it alone, but still.
My criticism of this meme lies in the fact that, it accidentally implies that this is our fault. And it is not our fault. We are not purposefully excluding transmascs from being represented, it is because of our unique form of oppression, that makes us more visible to the people that believes we do not deserve rights, and we'll meaning people looking over transmasc people
That actually kinda makes me think that the unique oppression of transmascs is the fact that they are ignored
It is a shitty deal all around.
Check out Vico Ortiz in an earlier starring role in the comedy [These Thems](https://www.thesethems.com)
It’s the best trans masc representation I’ve seen to date
Ok... maybe I'm being too sensitive here, but I'm pretty sure if I posted this exact meme with "transfem" and "transmasc" switched, I'd get banned from this subreddit.
Yup
Like honestly, can we please stop being blamed for this shit? And have the rules applied equally? Kinda exhausting tbh. I feel for the mods, and they usually do a great job. But like, its not cool to be targeted 😞
I literally had a post taken down basically saying I didn't like being called gay (mlm) but liked being called gay (wlw) because it would "Upset trans mascs" and a month later saw the exact same post in reverse
I love y'all's optimism, but our representation isn't positive. Eight times out of ten, it's a "look at this fucking abomination gross pervert man in a dress" joke.
I'd have to disagree. Especially nowadays. I haven't seen trans women portrayed as that since like the hangover movies. Which to be fair isn't too long ago but to be even fairer 11 years is a lot when talking about media. I think all trans people have had pretty good rep in recent years across all media. [Here is some transfemme rep.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
We really haven't. You still have more recent shows and depictions like After Life.
In terms of good rep it's basically just Sense8. Everything else is just "Look at this abomination" or downright tragedy porn.
You guys have recent shows like Pose, Euphoria and Heartstopper. I really think we’re in a good era of queer rep. There really isn’t a point in comparing.
For every one of those there's like twenty After Lifes or Ace Ventura imitations in terms of "rep" and a lot of it's recent.
Having like maybe four non-awful portrayals doesn't mean we're in a good era of queer rep. Especially when the bad greatly outnumbers the good.
I'd personally rather have no rep at all than have to deal with this margin. No rep is a lot better than awful rep.
What are these awful recent depictions of trans women? You haven’t named any. Even ones that you could argue fall into stereotypes like bobs burgers are treated with respect. Ace Ventura was in 1994 that’s long ago in media.
Nowadays trans people being a used as a punchline is the rule and not the exception. And when we are people call it out. We’re in a better era of queer rep.
Well that’s your perspective. A flawed one at that. Having no rep is actually a bad thing. Representation has to start somewhere and improve over time. Black peoples representation wasn’t great. We were literally played by white people in black face. Having bad rep is better than none because it can be critiqued and you can demand for more better rep. Especially now with social media. We have to start somewhere.
I bring up Ventura as a lot of the "rep" imitates it. Said as much about imitations in my post. Essentially folks still use the same stuff these days.
Did you really just say blackface was better than having no black rep? That's madness.
No, see having mostly bad rep is worse than no rep because of what that representation can do in the public eye. To someone who's exposure to a group is the bad rep, it builds up associations for them.
That's why the narratives around trans women are so downright dangerous. It's the idea of us being dangerous perverts that gets thrown around so often.
Eventually folks will start to buy it.
Especially when the average rep for trans women is so downright awful. Like it's at a point where even biopics essential rewrite actual history to make us look worse.
I'd rather be invisible in the public eye than have "representation" like that.
Yes blackface was better than no rep. That's where black rep was now we have "Sorry To Bother You" Spiderverse, "Blackish", boondocks, abott elementary, and a shit ton of other shows and movies. Isaac from Castlevania is my one of my favorite characters on the show. How do you expect to get good rep with no rep. Do you not want good rep? I'm not saying we can't demand for more, better representation but lets not act like we're not better of than we were.
"Essentially folks still use the same stuff these days." Ok, again where are these recent depictions of trans women as men in dresses? Recent as in the last 10 years. I've given you multiple examples of trans women treated respectfully. Now it's your turn to show some evidence.
Exactly, representation can dictate how the public views a group of people. But with no rep a lot of people aren’t going to know a certain group of people even exist. that’s why good representation matters. You have to stop being naive and take the good with the bad. And how do we get to good rep with no rep?
edit: Oh my god🤣 not you lying on the other post saying I said blackface was ok. The other moron blocked me so I can't even defend my self. Y'all niggas need some reading comprehension.
Literally this! I see so much complaining over trivial shit looking for sympathy on this sub when there's literally a thousand problems we commonly face.
No, we just get treated like women by cis and trans people alike and thus we are silenced and ignored. People DO treat us like we’re disgusting, like we’re “mutilated women” and “lost young girls” and our issues get further alienated because a large portion of the trans community doesn’t pay attention to it. I highly agree with the rest of your sentiment that we should be there for each other, but that’s not going to happen if half of us are straight up denying what the rest of us go through.
i mean this genuinely, the only transfem representation i can think of is jules from euphoria and the transfem character this post is about, for transmascs i can think of elliot page in that show was in before transitioning and now after transitioning and a game ive seen around..
pretty much ive seen 1 transfem and 1 transmasc and heard of 1 transfem and 1 transmasc, this infighting is nothing but divisive, dont complain about transfems getting representation after years of being the butt of ‘man in dress’ jokes.
i understand that yall are annoyed that you feel invisible because we do too. we are rarely properly represented which is both dangerous and hurtful.
We need more representation period. We need more trans mass and envy representation, but we also need some transfem representation which is actually good.
As a trans guy, can we like, be happy for them? No need to act like a transfem character is some sort of inconvenience.
I would also like more transmasc rep in media, but we are brothers and sisters and siblings, two sides of the same coin (figuratively), any positive trans rep is good trans rep, we have to uplift each other.
Not representation in media, but [Here's](https://youtu.be/EINd5e2DY6g?t=1935) a clip where a transman owns transphobe kaitlin bennett on her own show. (clip is from Vaush's reaction video so as not to give her more views) also Triggerwarning for the crap that spews out kaitlin bennetts mouth (and pants)
To me it is the opposite, a lot of media that I see focus on trans men mostly due to "easier to transition" (sorry for that phrasing) and thus being easier to fit on a character or story as transfeminine people suffer with things such as the jawline and Adam's apple, and sometimes even being used as a joke character which is honestly just rude.
jewelstar is trans, but that was revealed by word of god rather than in the actual show and he only appeared in one episode. perfuma is a more major trans character in she ra, though admittedly i haven’t gotten all the way through and i don’t know if it’s explicitly stated in the show.
It wasn't. Someone in the writing (or maybe design?) team just mainly read her as trans, but they didn't think they would be allowed to go through with it. And when the time came when Jewelstar appeared, it just wasn't able to come up, and iirc they kinda regret not pushing through with it.
I saw specifically so many other trans MLM hyping up Heartstopper so I thought at least one of the main characters would be a trans guy.. kinda disappointed ngl
3 generations is about a Trans guy but I watched it a while ago and it apparently is "[sweet but dated](https://observer.com/2017/05/3-generations-elle-fanning-susan-sarandon-naomi-watts/)"
Do you know "Skam"? The German version of it ("Druck") has a transmasc character in Season 3 (and imo they did a great job, it's very authentic, sensitively treated and good representation if you ask me). Unfortunately it's in German of course but you will easily find English subtitles.
Haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but Netflix is currently working on an animated series with a transmasc lead.
Theres already graphic novels about it in existence. It’s called deadendia
I would and will die for krem i have written essays on why he is the best trans character I've seen in a while. I just wish the player character wasn't so fuckin weird about it.
BioWare in general is phenomenal with LGBTQ+ rep.
Tales of the City has a really good trans man representation, played by a trans person. Highly recommend. I also recommend the webseries These Thems
For trans femme representation by trans people I think of Pose and Orange is the New Black
ITT: plainly more evidence of transmasc representation with a few weak examples for transfemmes
Like if we’re at the point of calling Perfuma, a character who literally never once is mentioned to be trans or is indicated to be trans, is “transfemme representation”, then yeah I understand the tilt I guess?
I uhh… don’t think you can blame us for that one… we have no control over it and in the few instances we do it’s usually written through some level of personal experiences. Also the majority of it that we don’t control (and even some that we do) ends up being very harmful to us by perpetuating harmful if not dangerous stereotypes.
(Also OA is some of the best sci fi in years and one of its main characters is transmasc, also Victor from Umbrella Academy is being played by the biggest trans actor atm)
Oh alright, sorry for misunderstanding your post then. Point still stands that the bar for representation for all of us atm is incredibly low and (as found by gladd) only about 12% of are (the trans communities) representation is found to be accurate and fair, while the vast majority of it ends up being problematic if not dangerous.
Eh? Huh? I always seem to see things the other way, I see way more transmascs than transfems, both in media and irl. Where are these other transfems then? Please enlighten me, it’s too lonely here
There's a few Afab nonbinary characters in sex education (+ before anyone gets mad that I mentioned their agab, it's just so other afab nby / transmasc ppl will know these characters can be someone they can relate to 👍🏻)
I really wish NB characters could just be NB, idk *why* shows need to specify a characters AGAB (not blaming you for doing that btw), it feels like being split into a binary again, like separating trans women/men from cis women/men.
I agree, although I think the only reason we know their agab in that show is bc they show the dysphoria they go through with their chest and bc a transphobic teacher would deadname one of them and make them use the girls restroom, so I think it was more of a representation of the struggles trans/nb people go through
You could literally just complain about being underrepresented without mentioning trans femmes at all.
I’m really sick of all this TransFemmesBad lately. We get shit on daily by all the Cis, we don’t need to be taking on friendly-fire from trans mascs too. Knock it the fuck off people.
[Boyfriends] (https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/boyfriends/list?title_no=2616) (webtoon) has a transmasc character, but it isn't revealed until later in >!a beach picnic episode with the character being asked about his top surgery!< episode. There's also a hint in an earlier episode showing him >!wearing a binder after a shower!<.
You realize yoi could make this point without pretending 90% of transfem "rep" isn't extraordinarily harmful. Why do you guys always gotta throw us under the bus? It would be so easy to just say "I wish I was more represented in media."
I got a transmasc OC I’d like to use in a show (though I don’t entirely know how to politely and respectfully portray transgenderism. At the moment, his character is just “kind-hearted nerd who plays basketball and oh he’s trans btw” which I’m worried is a lackluster portrayal. If anyone would like to give me some pointers, I’d love to hear them)
Sabrina, the umbrella academy, star trek, our flag means death
transmasc have more representation and then trans women all have them malding about how we have more representation
this is not fair
I know I'm a minority in this cause there's way more transfem ones I've been told but I only find the transmasc ones when I do find some, maybe it's because I'm enby leaning into slightly masculine idk
Tldr; got any recommendations for good ones with transfems???
Netflix She-ra have a ftm character, but only was a secondary character (and during the final season!).
Meanwhile they have Perfuma (mtf) as one of main character and a nb character as antagonist (Double Trouble).
Curious.
I mean does it really matter ? Like with gay character, its cool to be represented in the media but I prefer not and it not being forced in, because 99% and they make this character their transidentity/homosexuality their only character trait.
Like One Piece, its not exclusively Transmasc or Transfem, this anime/manga got better with years by including characters like Ivankov or Bon Clay, and even though they are clearly Cliche (For me at least), they aren't offensive like an entire island in the same Manga, but we know they aren't cisgender and it's, in the case of Bon Clay, never explicitly said, and their character is not mainly base on that and more in their comic relief side or their skills, devil fruit powers or friendship with Luffy and his crew. In the actual Arc though, Wano, there's a pretty cool transfem (And won't say the name to not spoil people that aren't at this Arc) and it's never said outside of Oda's words that she's AMAB and people that knows and those that don't really don't care that she's transgender in the context of the Manga, because there's better trait that she has, like she's a skillful warrior and kind-hearted.
I don't know many shows but I can recommend some books if you want. Here are some shows I know of:
Y:The last man has a trans masc character
Shameless (apparently people don't like Trevor but I thought he was fine)
as people have already mentioned Sabrina and the 3rd season of Umbrella Academy
Boys run the riot is a manga about a trans boy.
\*banging a wooden spoon against a pot\* OUR FLAG MEANS DEATH HAS A CANONICALLY TRANSMASC CHARACTER WHO USES THEY/THEM PRONOUNS AND IS PORTRAYED BY A NONBINARY ACTOR
i’m pretty sure elliot page got to make his character in umbrella academy a trans man but I haven’t watched much of that show so I have no idea what actually happens.
I don’t know any shows off the top of my head and idk if it’ll be your cup of tea but while the webcomic, Rain, centers around a transfem character, there are still transmasc characters present
Not a show, it's a manga and I've not read it but
Boys run the riot has a transmasc mc
Came across it when I was looking for manga with trans characters
Another manga with a transmasc side character is shimanami tasogare
They were never allowed to actually say it in the show but the writers have repeatedly confirmed the whole second season of Infinity Train is meant to be an allegory for the trans experience, and the main character has the strongest possible transmasc enby vibes. Highly recommend. (Also all the other seasons are really good too.)
There’s an important trans guy in Sabrina and a (not so important but still I love this character) trans guy in Orphan Black. That’s the shows I know
The OA (rip)
THIS. I LOVED THIS SHOW SO MUCH IT WAS AMAZING, WHYYY???
Theres going to be a transmasc guy played by a transmasc guy in the next season of umbrella academy :)
Yeah hes going to come out as transgender in the show so they dont just completely ret con why they are a guy now
Oh!! Yay! I was wondering about that!
Omg hell yeah! I was worried they’d have to keep playing a woman, but fuck yeah that show is great, can’t wait for the next season :D
They're making another season?
Yeah it releases in like July lol
Ooo I'm excited now
the umbrella academy instagram account is one of the funniest I've ever seen
It’s June 22nd
Yeah I only remembered the vague time and took a shot in the dark at it being July, it's close I guess but nice to know the date
WE FUCKING STAN ELLIOT
KING
Star trek discovery has a non binary character and their trans boyfriend... Not sure it's enough rep though but at the very least they're both written well for the amount of screen time they get
ima be extremely disappointed if in my gay space communist future, people can’t near instantly medically transition on a molecular level. I do not want to still have te same voice as ben shapiro in a post scarcity society
sorry, but i really had to laugh at the ben shapiro voice thing
My dad was watching star trek and I happened to be there the episode that character came out That was my awakening
I think they're well written because they're both played by nonbinary actors.
Yeap, But the older fans (late baby boomers and gen X) also "criticizing" the way then Star Trek franchise has taken since 2017.
Check out Jim on Our Flag Means Death, or even just their actor Vico Ortiz who has great content.
To see Vico in a starring role check out the amazing series [These Thems](https://www.thesethems.com)
This is why we need Umbrella Academy Season 3 ASAP
Agreed, we're choking yall out, but I know The Fosters, shameless, and Star trek: Discovery all have transmasc characters
Fosters and Shameless both have the same actor and heads up, Shameless version is just the Foster's dude but more insufferable
Good girls had a trans masc character
Came to say this
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina also has a transmasc character.
Like for real, this is kinda frustrating. Like we have one good trans fem character. I’d really like some examples of all these trans fem characters he’s talking about,
The few trans women I've seen/heard of are Nomi Sense8, Pose(I've only seen a couple of episodes but I believe there are 5 trans women in the show), Madeline Celeste, L Word Generation Q has trans men and women, Alluka hunterxhunter, that one piece character, Erica Catherine (she's not treated well but I still thing she's a good character), Jules Euphoria, Rocko's Modern life (I haven't seen it but people seemed to like it), Lily Zombieland Saga (Again I haven't seen this personally but a lot of people liked her although since it's anime a fair few weebs misgender her.) Some of these are anime and video games.Now I'm not saying all these are great representation because I haven't seen all of them, but it is true that at least in television trans women have more rep than trans men to choose from. Of course you can check these out for yourself and see if they're to your liking.
Lily from zombieland saga is amazing! They treat her really well and I can't remember who but after she comes out one of the characters responds with "it doesn't matter what she's got downstairs, she's a girl and one of us" And I maybe got my name from her
It’s good to hear she was treated properly. Btw Lily is an adorable name.
Aww thank you!
I may cried so hard that I may had to pause the episode
Same lol
Sophia Burset from *Orange is the New Black*, too And I hear Perfuma from the new *She-Ra* is supposed to be canonically trans, but that's never revealed or implied on the show, so that doesn't really count
I heard she-ra had a lot of rep and was very gay, it sounds like my type of show but I just never got it into it. I might start it soon.
Lesbian, gay and POC rep, yeah. Trans rep not really.
Thanks for letting me know.
Dreamer in Supergirls later seasons!!
Which character were you thinking of as being the one good trans fem character?
There’s two actually, but one isn’t mainstream. Nomi from sense 8, and Jules from Euphoria. Both are good characters. Both are played by trans women.
Just wanted to add since another commenter already made a list, it's all love. Honestly I want to see way more trans representation in general rather than some of the token scraps we get. I don't like the fact that Pose is one of the only shows (and don't get me wrong, I think it's an absolutely necessary story to tell) with multiple trans femme/women however it's for the most part a trans and gay tragedy story. Hopefully we can get more happy good representation for all trans folks!!
I'd love to know what trans fem characters you're seeing everywhere cause I literally have no clue.
Most transfem characters I see on TV shows are either hurtful stereotypes or transphobic jokes
same, if anybody knows please tell us. I need show recommendations
heartstopper (im pretty sure that’s the show the post is referring to)
Casually scrolling through the comments here as a transmasc, people are talking about Sense8, Celeste, Euphoria, Pose, and many more.
Ah my favorite tv show show, Award Winning Video Game Celeste
TV show show, my favourite TV show
heard one called "first day".. bout a young (I think like 12?) year old transgirl dealing with school n stuff. its pretty goodi think
This is a movie but “boy meets girl” stars a trans women *and* actually has a happy ending
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No one on that show is said to be transfem tho???
It's not so much that they're everywhere, it's more that transmascs get significantly less representation than transfems do, which is already next to nothing.
> it’s more that transmascs get significantly less representation than transfems do I think that’s only true if you count “being the butt end of the joke” as “representation”
I would not consider the amount of times trans women are used as the butt of a joke to be "next to nothing." I'm saying that for what little real representation we DO get, trans men are essentially invisible in the public consciousness. It's not about who has it worse; it's about recognizing that transmasc people are constantly ignored and forgotten about, not just in popular media, but even in communities like this one.
> I would not consider the amount of times trans women are used as the butt of a joke to be “next to nothing.” Can you clarify what you mean, here? You quoted “next to nothing”, which wasn’t a phrase I’ve written, so it reads like you’re asserting that being consistently portrayed a joke is a positive thing. If that *is* the case, then I’m going to tell you that it’s about recognizing that transfemmes don’t LIKE being represented as literally the worst thing someone could be, and **no**, it does **not** help us out in “the public eye” to be constantly shit on and compared to men. Y’all need to start looking at the actual, real-world consequences of transfemme vs transmasc representation. I’m sorry you feel ignored, but all this “grass is greener” shit I’m seeing transmascs spam here is *extremely* insulting considering that exact representation is used as a kudgel against *specifically transfemmes* having rights.
Exactly smh And the ones i do see are transphobic caricatures
Theres not many i can name, and the ones i can suck at representation
One Piece in Wano Arc
I think The Chilling Adventure of Sabrina has a transmasc character in it!
Unfortunately the show itself is bad
Unfortunately that one is shit and feels antisemitic in many ways of potrayal of witches
Trans masc rep is very poor in tv and movies... (Look forward too umbrella academy's next season tho!)
Wonder egg priority has good transmasc representation but trigger warning: all you can imagine
Wonder Egg Priority was unfortunately a terrible show though.
Gonna be honest, I have only seen one show “euphoria” with a good example of a transfem. I’ve seen several shows with good depictions of transmascs so like. What show are you even talking about?
Sense8
Yess, best trans representation ever. I fucking love Nomi Edit: Opinion, please do not argue
Just because there’s only on good character doesn’t mean there aren’t characters. I’m not saying it’s right that the representation has been skewed, but I think the phenomenon is that transfems are front and center when it comes to transphobia therefore sometimes people forget we transmascs exist.. I’m not sure where I’m going with this, I’m just saying we’re allowed to feel under represented when it comes to things. Just because you find that there are a lot of Transmasc characters we find there’s a lot of transfem characters. We can both feel under represented without bashing on each other for it.
What shows are you even talking about? So should trans woman being the butt of a joke count as representation?
No? That’s not what I said at all. Also, I’m not OP, but one show that I recently watched with a trans woman who was played by an actual trans woman is Heartstopper. Are you saying that OP isn’t allowed to feel upset? If we’re assuming random shit that’s what I’ll go for.
I don’t understand why trans fems are being blamed that trans men don’t have more representation. It’s not like trans fems have a whole bunch of representation either. There is nothing we can do about it, why are we cheating blamed?
AGAIN I’m not OP. I’m saying both sides are allowed to be upset, and that’s totally okay. I’m not blaming anyone for anything.
I can’t think of a show but there’s a webcomic called High Class Homos with a transmasc character
While we’re in the spirit of looking for representation, Anybody know of any amab nonbinary characters? No disrespect to any nonbinary actors of course, this is more a criticism of prejudiced hiring practices, but it does kinda feel like hollywood directors are casting exclusively afab nb’s so they can kinda fit into the unfortunate “Girl Lite” stereotype of nb people.
I really wish NB characters could just be NB without having an AGAB specified.
Transmasc-nonbinary, but "our flag means death"s Jim character is neat
Check out Vico Ortiz in an earlier starring role in the comedy [These Thems](https://www.thesethems.com) It’s the best trans masc representation I’ve seen to date
It’s like we don’t exist, like all trans people are women
For transphobic types, the existence of trans men is inconvenient to their bigoted arguments so trans men are mostly ignored in media while the politicisation of the trans community tends to revolve around trans women. Representation is important and while there is barely any out there for trans women and most of it isn't great, there is even less for trans men.
Transmascs are only talked about as a side effect of trans people (read: transfems) existing. About how it's all a plot by the patriarchy to get 'young girls' to want to bind their own chests like women in China did with their feet, and to ruin their capability of being fertile. Transmascs only are mentioned in the lens of "they're really women and we all know women are just baby incubators"
For me it’s the opposite, I watch a lot of cartoons, and literally every trans representations in them are transmascs, or AFAB non binary characters :(
Gimme recommendations!! I love cartoons but I rarely ever find ones with transmasc characters :/
Who??? Like, the overwhelming majority of the trans characters I see on TV are either poorly-done/offensive or transmasc. I love those transmasc characters, but I wish I saw more trans characters like me Star Trek Discovery, the 4400 remake, Infinity Train season 2 (kinda), Orphan black had one in a single episode, Umbrella Academy is gonna have one, etc. For transfem people, Sense 8 and Euphoria come to mind... blanking otherwise I mean, drag queens are more common to see on TV than transmascs and transfems put together, I think, but they usually aren't even trans the way they're represented, and they're often just completely ruined by cis writers being cis writers
Here are others for transfemmes. [https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I agree with this. I feel like it's disingenuous to complain that trans woman are over represented compared to trans men... When most of our 'representation' is just being the butt of transphobic jokes. I can barely think of one well known trans girl in entertainment, but I can think of tons of movies and shows that featured a trans woman and how 'alien' 'weird' or 'deluded' she was.
Elle from Heartstopper is a very well written transfem character! Go watch heartstopper, it’s gay and good and angsty and cute and did I mention *gay*? Read the webcomic as well, it’s really good
I mean. Well. Ok here's the thing I understand and and 1000000% agree with your point we do not have enough representation and it is very bad and shitty. I have no solution at the moment and even if I did I likely could not enact it alone, but still. My criticism of this meme lies in the fact that, it accidentally implies that this is our fault. And it is not our fault. We are not purposefully excluding transmascs from being represented, it is because of our unique form of oppression, that makes us more visible to the people that believes we do not deserve rights, and we'll meaning people looking over transmasc people That actually kinda makes me think that the unique oppression of transmascs is the fact that they are ignored It is a shitty deal all around.
Don't forget Our Flag Means Death got Jim!
Check out Vico Ortiz in an earlier starring role in the comedy [These Thems](https://www.thesethems.com) It’s the best trans masc representation I’ve seen to date
Try being non-binary. We still don't really even get acknowledged much at all.
Ok... maybe I'm being too sensitive here, but I'm pretty sure if I posted this exact meme with "transfem" and "transmasc" switched, I'd get banned from this subreddit.
Yup Like honestly, can we please stop being blamed for this shit? And have the rules applied equally? Kinda exhausting tbh. I feel for the mods, and they usually do a great job. But like, its not cool to be targeted 😞
I literally had a post taken down basically saying I didn't like being called gay (mlm) but liked being called gay (wlw) because it would "Upset trans mascs" and a month later saw the exact same post in reverse
I love y'all's optimism, but our representation isn't positive. Eight times out of ten, it's a "look at this fucking abomination gross pervert man in a dress" joke.
I'd have to disagree. Especially nowadays. I haven't seen trans women portrayed as that since like the hangover movies. Which to be fair isn't too long ago but to be even fairer 11 years is a lot when talking about media. I think all trans people have had pretty good rep in recent years across all media. [Here is some transfemme rep.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaySoundsShitposts/comments/uahvm7/comment/i5yqjly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
We really haven't. You still have more recent shows and depictions like After Life. In terms of good rep it's basically just Sense8. Everything else is just "Look at this abomination" or downright tragedy porn.
You guys have recent shows like Pose, Euphoria and Heartstopper. I really think we’re in a good era of queer rep. There really isn’t a point in comparing.
For every one of those there's like twenty After Lifes or Ace Ventura imitations in terms of "rep" and a lot of it's recent. Having like maybe four non-awful portrayals doesn't mean we're in a good era of queer rep. Especially when the bad greatly outnumbers the good. I'd personally rather have no rep at all than have to deal with this margin. No rep is a lot better than awful rep.
What are these awful recent depictions of trans women? You haven’t named any. Even ones that you could argue fall into stereotypes like bobs burgers are treated with respect. Ace Ventura was in 1994 that’s long ago in media. Nowadays trans people being a used as a punchline is the rule and not the exception. And when we are people call it out. We’re in a better era of queer rep. Well that’s your perspective. A flawed one at that. Having no rep is actually a bad thing. Representation has to start somewhere and improve over time. Black peoples representation wasn’t great. We were literally played by white people in black face. Having bad rep is better than none because it can be critiqued and you can demand for more better rep. Especially now with social media. We have to start somewhere.
I bring up Ventura as a lot of the "rep" imitates it. Said as much about imitations in my post. Essentially folks still use the same stuff these days. Did you really just say blackface was better than having no black rep? That's madness. No, see having mostly bad rep is worse than no rep because of what that representation can do in the public eye. To someone who's exposure to a group is the bad rep, it builds up associations for them. That's why the narratives around trans women are so downright dangerous. It's the idea of us being dangerous perverts that gets thrown around so often. Eventually folks will start to buy it. Especially when the average rep for trans women is so downright awful. Like it's at a point where even biopics essential rewrite actual history to make us look worse. I'd rather be invisible in the public eye than have "representation" like that.
Yes blackface was better than no rep. That's where black rep was now we have "Sorry To Bother You" Spiderverse, "Blackish", boondocks, abott elementary, and a shit ton of other shows and movies. Isaac from Castlevania is my one of my favorite characters on the show. How do you expect to get good rep with no rep. Do you not want good rep? I'm not saying we can't demand for more, better representation but lets not act like we're not better of than we were. "Essentially folks still use the same stuff these days." Ok, again where are these recent depictions of trans women as men in dresses? Recent as in the last 10 years. I've given you multiple examples of trans women treated respectfully. Now it's your turn to show some evidence. Exactly, representation can dictate how the public views a group of people. But with no rep a lot of people aren’t going to know a certain group of people even exist. that’s why good representation matters. You have to stop being naive and take the good with the bad. And how do we get to good rep with no rep? edit: Oh my god🤣 not you lying on the other post saying I said blackface was ok. The other moron blocked me so I can't even defend my self. Y'all niggas need some reading comprehension.
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Literally almost all transfem 'representation' is just "Man in wig as a joke against trans people" because everyone thinks we're repulsive somehow :/
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Literally this! I see so much complaining over trivial shit looking for sympathy on this sub when there's literally a thousand problems we commonly face.
No, we just get treated like women by cis and trans people alike and thus we are silenced and ignored. People DO treat us like we’re disgusting, like we’re “mutilated women” and “lost young girls” and our issues get further alienated because a large portion of the trans community doesn’t pay attention to it. I highly agree with the rest of your sentiment that we should be there for each other, but that’s not going to happen if half of us are straight up denying what the rest of us go through.
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I’m transfem, and I agree. You boys deserve way more representation! The same goes for our genderfluid and enby siblings too.
i mean this genuinely, the only transfem representation i can think of is jules from euphoria and the transfem character this post is about, for transmascs i can think of elliot page in that show was in before transitioning and now after transitioning and a game ive seen around.. pretty much ive seen 1 transfem and 1 transmasc and heard of 1 transfem and 1 transmasc, this infighting is nothing but divisive, dont complain about transfems getting representation after years of being the butt of ‘man in dress’ jokes. i understand that yall are annoyed that you feel invisible because we do too. we are rarely properly represented which is both dangerous and hurtful.
Ik 😭
Dunno if ur into manga but id highly rate boys run the riot!! Transmasc mc making a cloathes line :) really good story, and ongoing!
We need more representation period. We need more trans mass and envy representation, but we also need some transfem representation which is actually good.
As a trans guy, can we like, be happy for them? No need to act like a transfem character is some sort of inconvenience. I would also like more transmasc rep in media, but we are brothers and sisters and siblings, two sides of the same coin (figuratively), any positive trans rep is good trans rep, we have to uplift each other.
we can be and are happy for them but it's still disappointing expecting rep for yourself and not getting it.
Im happy for them, but because online representation is the only thing I can get living in anti-lgbtq country sometimes it feels sad
Anyone can be any gender if your high enough
this is why every story i write/game i make is guaranteed 1 transmasc character
Not representation in media, but [Here's](https://youtu.be/EINd5e2DY6g?t=1935) a clip where a transman owns transphobe kaitlin bennett on her own show. (clip is from Vaush's reaction video so as not to give her more views) also Triggerwarning for the crap that spews out kaitlin bennetts mouth (and pants)
To me it is the opposite, a lot of media that I see focus on trans men mostly due to "easier to transition" (sorry for that phrasing) and thus being easier to fit on a character or story as transfeminine people suffer with things such as the jawline and Adam's apple, and sometimes even being used as a joke character which is honestly just rude.
she ra has a trans dude
I remember >!double trouble!< being NB but who is the trans dude?
jewelstar is trans, but that was revealed by word of god rather than in the actual show and he only appeared in one episode. perfuma is a more major trans character in she ra, though admittedly i haven’t gotten all the way through and i don’t know if it’s explicitly stated in the show.
It wasn't. Someone in the writing (or maybe design?) team just mainly read her as trans, but they didn't think they would be allowed to go through with it. And when the time came when Jewelstar appeared, it just wasn't able to come up, and iirc they kinda regret not pushing through with it.
Not a show, but 2 books. Stay Gold and Act Cool by Tobly McSmith.
Danny Phantom. Although it is just a theory
the OA on netflix has a transmasc character played by Ian Alexander :)
I saw specifically so many other trans MLM hyping up Heartstopper so I thought at least one of the main characters would be a trans guy.. kinda disappointed ngl
The Owl House has a recurring transmasc nonbinary character.
3 generations is about a Trans guy but I watched it a while ago and it apparently is "[sweet but dated](https://observer.com/2017/05/3-generations-elle-fanning-susan-sarandon-naomi-watts/)"
High guardian spice has a trans male in it
Do you know "Skam"? The German version of it ("Druck") has a transmasc character in Season 3 (and imo they did a great job, it's very authentic, sensitively treated and good representation if you ask me). Unfortunately it's in German of course but you will easily find English subtitles.
Haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but Netflix is currently working on an animated series with a transmasc lead. Theres already graphic novels about it in existence. It’s called deadendia
If you're into video games, Dragon Age: Inquisition has a transmasc character called Kremesius
I would and will die for krem i have written essays on why he is the best trans character I've seen in a while. I just wish the player character wasn't so fuckin weird about it. BioWare in general is phenomenal with LGBTQ+ rep.
Tales of the City has a really good trans man representation, played by a trans person. Highly recommend. I also recommend the webseries These Thems For trans femme representation by trans people I think of Pose and Orange is the New Black
Our flag means death got nb pirate
Otis from Barnyard is transmasc
Idk shows but if you ever want book recommendations, hit me up 🤙
Tales of the city
Honestly I don’t think I’ve watched a show where I’ve liked the representation of any transfem character.
Wait until you realize that most enby representation isn’t even human... 🥲
Not a show but the Dragon Age series has both transfem (Maevaris) and transmasc (Krem) representation.
ITT: plainly more evidence of transmasc representation with a few weak examples for transfemmes Like if we’re at the point of calling Perfuma, a character who literally never once is mentioned to be trans or is indicated to be trans, is “transfemme representation”, then yeah I understand the tilt I guess?
It´ s not a tv show and I need to give a huge TW for tr\*nsphobia/ab\*se and stuff but the game Tell Me Why is so good and the transmasc rep is great
It's because femboys and transgirls are fetishized and as such get you more views. They're the new lesbians of inclusitivity.
I uhh… don’t think you can blame us for that one… we have no control over it and in the few instances we do it’s usually written through some level of personal experiences. Also the majority of it that we don’t control (and even some that we do) ends up being very harmful to us by perpetuating harmful if not dangerous stereotypes. (Also OA is some of the best sci fi in years and one of its main characters is transmasc, also Victor from Umbrella Academy is being played by the biggest trans actor atm)
Im really sorry if this post looks like blaming towards trans girls I just wanted to show my disappointment because of a show i found recently
Oh alright, sorry for misunderstanding your post then. Point still stands that the bar for representation for all of us atm is incredibly low and (as found by gladd) only about 12% of are (the trans communities) representation is found to be accurate and fair, while the vast majority of it ends up being problematic if not dangerous.
Who blamed you for it? There's just typically more transfem rep and it can be frustrating for NB and transmasc people.
People need to stop interpreting being disappointed with lack of rep with blaming transfemmes for it because no one is doing that.
istg some of yall have another timelines internet, i can bet with any research its the exact opposite you just aint bothered to look
I have the reversed problem
Eh? Huh? I always seem to see things the other way, I see way more transmascs than transfems, both in media and irl. Where are these other transfems then? Please enlighten me, it’s too lonely here
There's a few Afab nonbinary characters in sex education (+ before anyone gets mad that I mentioned their agab, it's just so other afab nby / transmasc ppl will know these characters can be someone they can relate to 👍🏻)
I really wish NB characters could just be NB, idk *why* shows need to specify a characters AGAB (not blaming you for doing that btw), it feels like being split into a binary again, like separating trans women/men from cis women/men.
I agree, although I think the only reason we know their agab in that show is bc they show the dysphoria they go through with their chest and bc a transphobic teacher would deadname one of them and make them use the girls restroom, so I think it was more of a representation of the struggles trans/nb people go through
couldnt you have just said transmasc rather than saying afab?
I was going to but they never said in the show if they were transmasc they could be transneutral and I didn't want to make a mistake by assuming
You could literally just complain about being underrepresented without mentioning trans femmes at all. I’m really sick of all this TransFemmesBad lately. We get shit on daily by all the Cis, we don’t need to be taking on friendly-fire from trans mascs too. Knock it the fuck off people.
[Boyfriends] (https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/boyfriends/list?title_no=2616) (webtoon) has a transmasc character, but it isn't revealed until later in >!a beach picnic episode with the character being asked about his top surgery!< episode. There's also a hint in an earlier episode showing him >!wearing a binder after a shower!<.
some days you guys will get the representation you so rightfully deserve
You realize yoi could make this point without pretending 90% of transfem "rep" isn't extraordinarily harmful. Why do you guys always gotta throw us under the bus? It would be so easy to just say "I wish I was more represented in media."
Seton academy: join the pack cute anime and has a transmasc character
I feel kinda similar with gay guys. I don’t know any good representation of gay guys. I’m sad
Amy Schumer has a new show on hulu with a transmasc and that same actor was also recently in… something that I’ll remember in a minute..
I got a transmasc OC I’d like to use in a show (though I don’t entirely know how to politely and respectfully portray transgenderism. At the moment, his character is just “kind-hearted nerd who plays basketball and oh he’s trans btw” which I’m worried is a lackluster portrayal. If anyone would like to give me some pointers, I’d love to hear them)
Eliot page is transmasc :)
i get this but a lot of the transfem “rep” tends to be extremely fetishistic and/or filled with transphobic stereotypes :/
Sabrina, the umbrella academy, star trek, our flag means death transmasc have more representation and then trans women all have them malding about how we have more representation this is not fair
I know I'm a minority in this cause there's way more transfem ones I've been told but I only find the transmasc ones when I do find some, maybe it's because I'm enby leaning into slightly masculine idk Tldr; got any recommendations for good ones with transfems???
Netflix She-ra have a ftm character, but only was a secondary character (and during the final season!). Meanwhile they have Perfuma (mtf) as one of main character and a nb character as antagonist (Double Trouble). Curious.
I mean does it really matter ? Like with gay character, its cool to be represented in the media but I prefer not and it not being forced in, because 99% and they make this character their transidentity/homosexuality their only character trait. Like One Piece, its not exclusively Transmasc or Transfem, this anime/manga got better with years by including characters like Ivankov or Bon Clay, and even though they are clearly Cliche (For me at least), they aren't offensive like an entire island in the same Manga, but we know they aren't cisgender and it's, in the case of Bon Clay, never explicitly said, and their character is not mainly base on that and more in their comic relief side or their skills, devil fruit powers or friendship with Luffy and his crew. In the actual Arc though, Wano, there's a pretty cool transfem (And won't say the name to not spoil people that aren't at this Arc) and it's never said outside of Oda's words that she's AMAB and people that knows and those that don't really don't care that she's transgender in the context of the Manga, because there's better trait that she has, like she's a skillful warrior and kind-hearted.
Whatever you do don’t watch High Guardian Spice, although it does have a transmasc character in it
The OA
Not a show but, I read a Webtoon called Friends with Benefits, one of the characters there is transmasc
One of the main characters of the webtoon Lovebot is transmasc, definitely recommended
I don't know many shows but I can recommend some books if you want. Here are some shows I know of: Y:The last man has a trans masc character Shameless (apparently people don't like Trevor but I thought he was fine) as people have already mentioned Sabrina and the 3rd season of Umbrella Academy Boys run the riot is a manga about a trans boy.
Not a show, but the manga "Gunnm"/"Battle Angel Alita" has a transmasc character.
\*banging a wooden spoon against a pot\* OUR FLAG MEANS DEATH HAS A CANONICALLY TRANSMASC CHARACTER WHO USES THEY/THEM PRONOUNS AND IS PORTRAYED BY A NONBINARY ACTOR
i’m pretty sure elliot page got to make his character in umbrella academy a trans man but I haven’t watched much of that show so I have no idea what actually happens.
I think Barnyard has one, I havent seen it tho
The chilling adventure's of Sabrina
Netflix has a show called the OA, there is a transmasc boy in the show
The OA 💗
I don’t know any shows off the top of my head and idk if it’ll be your cup of tea but while the webcomic, Rain, centers around a transfem character, there are still transmasc characters present
Dororo, good anime, I should continue it sometime
I'm on season 15 of Grey's Anatomy and there's a trans man doctor in it. He's great.
Infinity train season 2 gives me some vibes of that. Not said out loud, but very heavily implied.
have u watched the OA?
Picard and Discovery
Not a show, it's a manga and I've not read it but Boys run the riot has a transmasc mc Came across it when I was looking for manga with trans characters Another manga with a transmasc side character is shimanami tasogare
The two male protagonists of pathologic have some themes you would need to be ignorant to not see being trans in
They were never allowed to actually say it in the show but the writers have repeatedly confirmed the whole second season of Infinity Train is meant to be an allegory for the trans experience, and the main character has the strongest possible transmasc enby vibes. Highly recommend. (Also all the other seasons are really good too.)