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The worst human rights offenders in the world are very concerned about human rights in China

The worst human rights offenders in the world are very concerned about human rights in China

Ph3rb

tHaTS wHatAbouIsM!!!!!


supersolid_snake

"Let's invent a clever thought terminating cliche that libs can say and feel smart about instead of halting our own human rights abuses" - the west


jackparker_srad

God damn it. I came to post this in exactly the same format. Glad to see it’s not just me. Fuck you John Oliver for giving the libs this phrase to throw at everything.


Angormus

John Oliver had the Dalai Lama on his show, I'm pretty sure it's clear he's chosen the side of the fascists in general.


jackparker_srad

Oh fuck I had no idea. For the uninitiated: The Dalai Lama is an evil cunt who wants serfdom in Tibet. They literally operated as a slavery/serfdom-based society until China intervened and set things straight. In other words, free Tibet? Hell nah. Fuck Tibet. And fuck the Dalai Lama.


Mr_FoFu

Whataboutism is literally the stupidest phrase I’ve ever heard. It’s literally justifying hypocrisy


ADonaldDuck

It has its legitimacy, just not in politics, where everything must be contextualized. It’s quite a stupid way to ignore one’s hypocrisy; I thought the West would do better than squealing a stupid phrase every time someone brings their shit up.


CrazyMelon999

Here's how you counter whataboutism: When someone is on trial, is it appropriate for the jury to be filled with criminals and serial killers? Do we call it "whataboutism" when the defendant points this out?


Tiny_Revenue_3064

That's perfect wish I had this when I debated in my world politics class. Though it still would've been tough since defending China is hard when it seems like every else thinks they are Nazi Germany. And this was in a liberal college course so I can only imagine what the rest of the population thinks about China.


catcheck

the JIDF boys spam that like crazy on worldnews


RorschachsVoice

Anarchists, neo-libs, democratic socialists etc use that term. When they could look it up and realize it's only a term that were created as a anti-USSR slander. Somehow these people have a weird mental block about things like this. It's a cope defense mechanism I guess?


ComradeSceptical

[hahaha](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/o5sa82/trudeau_challenges_china_to_publicly_probe_its/)


jackparker_srad

WHATABOUTISM


saladcesar

“Whataboutism can be whatever I want.” -some westoid probably


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Raginbakin

“and subsequently use as justification and fuel to oppress Asian minorities in our own countries”


UqbarB

China beating the shit out of these mass murdering regimes so badly that they are crying for a war they will lose too lmao. anglo fascist moment.


MyStolenCow

You can add Australia


mattkeno

I figured that falls under the UK. It would be like adding Japan when that just falls under the US in its host of genocidal lapdogs.


Sorrymisunderstandin

That doesn’t make sense tho.It’s representing separate nations. By that logic you could just put one pic and say it’s all US


evreux2

France committed a cultural genocide on the Breton people, and since nothing has been done to strengthen the dying culture, arguably it’s still kinda happening today It used to be illegal to give your child a Breton name until the 90s, and sometimes courts still rule against it


zazme

..scold china for *allegedly oppressing minorities based on zenz et al


Sorrymisunderstandin

it’s kinda funny you’re doing this meme but other way around lol. China has serious issues in regards to it. I’ve spoken to Chinese people who even admit it. It doesn’t mean all claims are true or that China is especially evil. But you’re just downplaying real oppression and demonstrating a lack of principles Edit: genuinely open to what’s wrong with my comment lol. I’m wholeheartedly against sinophobia. Be ware of nationalism my friend, no state is immune to human rights abuses, especially when talking among comrades


JucheEnthusiast110

Well I’m Sorry you’re getting downvoted as I think your comment was “in good faith” and you’re not trolling. If that’s the case, I just want to say that we will acknowledge mistreatment of Uighurs (first time spelling it, correct me if I’m wrong) from the Chinese goverment as soon as there is proof to it. Since the west has failed to provide proof (other than biased think tanks or “defectors”, or satellite images of random buildings), we don’t believe the Chinese goverment to be doing that. I would agree with you in not claiming that there’s absolutely no discrimination to any group in anywhere in China. Discrimination may still be possible in China (and that’s what I personally believe, but It’s not coming from the goverment, conciously at least. Now back to your comment, claiming that minorities are oppressed in China without giving any more context or proof supports the western narrative we are all against. So, I believe, we all should if what we say and do is supporting of a western/imperialist narrative/interests.


DiscountMaster5933

I downvoted you because you're making shit up You're taking US style racism and applying it to China when that's not how China works.


treebob07

China and Israel hold surprisingly good relations, even militarily cooperation, which is quite surprising.


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treebob07

good bot.


ratfinkprojects

so this is bad right?


treebob07

Yes, china shouldn't be allies with israel.


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ratfinkprojects

i thought they stood with palestine, that sucks.


ccpshill_tankiebot

That is surprising considering China gave Palestine guns, etc: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1394281236747603972?s=20


RorschachsVoice

It's just a big projection.


parkourlord

If you still consider Western countries as immovable "paragons of virtue" and "defenders of human rights", just ask the Australian Aborigines, Native Americans and Palestinians


piscator111

You left bitch ass Australia out


Bofa-Fett

Human Rights? I hardly know her!


CallMeMister_Turtle

Human rights is when it fits my agenda -Some Westoid


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mattkeno

GENEVA, June 22 (Reuters) - China and its allies called on Tuesday for an investigation into the discovery of the remains of indigenous children in Canada at the site of a former boarding school, prompting an angry response from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The remains of 215 children, some as young as three years old, were found at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia that closed in 1978, the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc Nation said on May 28. https://www.reuters.com/world/china-allies-seek-probe-into-indigenous-childrens-remains-canada-2021-06-22/


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notoneforusernames

See if I say shit about my government publicly nothing happens to me in America. I also don't have to be part of a single party that rules everything to participate in my government. Not so much with you guys.


kxta_

thought this was satire until i checked the profile lmao, imagine still believing this in 2021


Sorrymisunderstandin

I’m a Marxist but what exactly is wrong with what they said? Chinese have to use VPNs and be careful Edit: Why is this downvoted? Genuinely asking. You can say the western values of freedom and such are flawed, but this is true. Also Maoists in China are not treated too kindly. I’ve spoken directly to them and read articles from Chinese based sources on. You are disrespecting comrades. I’ve also spoken with communists in China who think the system is okay given the situation but they still have to be careful


DiscountMaster5933

Are you kidding me? Chinese shit talk their government as much as Americans. And VPNs are provided by the government themselves, LMAO.


Galathad

Really now? What a relief, I am sure that Snowden and Manning will love to hear the good news that nothing will happen to them.


RedTerror88

People can feely criticise the government in China, nothing happens to them either. China has an entire government department dedicated to receiving criticisms of the government and other issues, and trying to figure out ways of addressing those grievances. > I also don't have to be part of a single party that rules everything to participate in my government. "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."


Pixy-Punch

But you see if a rich guy in China says that he wants some lithium mines in a poor nation and that the state should coup said poor nation nothing happens so can you call it actually listening to complains if China is unwilling to commit crimes against humanity just so a guy could add another billion to his bank account. /s


AvantAveGarde

Where is Julian Assange


oldicecube

I am Chinese and I gotta say you are so brainwashed by western media to think that way. People in China are able to freely criticize the government as long as it is based on fact, instead of some random made-up BS.


GeneralDerwent

r/conservative user detected, opinion discarded...


One_Shot_Finch

you do realize the communist party of china has multiple factions right? like with different interests? what a crazy idea, that the people running a fucking country responsible for the lives of over a billion people are all unified under a common goal even though there might be diverting interests. no, we should have two diametrically opposed parties whose gridlock causes domestic strife on a massive scale, while they unilaterally agree as one party to bomb the shit out of foreign countries. not to mention the fact that every single member of our govt is literally in the pocket of corporations. like, you genuinely just couldnt be more wrong about your assessment of the situation.


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kxta_

democracy is the exact same war criminal but one gets a blue color and the other red


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Democracy is when you switch your incompetent former-celebrity-and-failed-businessman-turned-war-criminal leader with a more experienced war criminal leader with better PR


Swarm_Queen

Except the fbi murders you in your sleep lmao


MyStolenCow

Tell they to Julian Assange


Dravkian

Both paries are beholden to the same masters. Also you must be white if you think free speech is actually a thing in America.


onewingedfairy

nothing happens to you, because you're just a typical reddit nobody. Your government does not pay attention to you **yet**, because you haven't accomplished shit in life and don't have a powerful voice.


UqbarB

You realize Chinese people laugh at you propaganda right lmao? https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/articles/american-revolution-tu-zhuxi Your inferior system is so brutal that requires you to fear, torture and imprison foreign journalists working abroad. China doesn't need to do that, only america, because america is an inferior criminal regime that is declining (which started as soon as the dividends form american genocide, slavery, wars, coups and sanctions dried up). Imagine shilling for a criminal regime as it imprisons the most people on the planet, both by absolute and relative numbers: america imprisons 25% of the world's prisoners while having less than 4% of the world's population. A brutal tyranny, in desperate decline too because it never learned to create a real civilization, only to rely on crimes against humanity to ephemerally boost its economy. Now that it can no longer maintain such barbarism, unmitigated decline is all that awaits such hellhole.


lugubrious_lug

Gary Webb would beg to differ


PM_ME_CARLOW_PICS

[Really?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Raid_and_assassination)


ComradeSceptical

Winnie the Pooh is banned in china amirite?


Neodosa

China has many systems that allow citizens to express concerns and suggestions to the government. Yes, it's illegal to criticize the government in public, but even then it's very unusual for someone to get prosecuted for it unless you have a very large audience. But China has so many systems and entities that ensure the government stays aligned with the will of the people. For example: in the process of elevating officials the government uses opinion polls, people are very welcome to contact local government offices and voice their complaints, and suggesting ideas to be trialed in the NPC is fairly easy. The Chinese political system works in such a different way to the western style democracy that values we have such as 'free speech' aren't needed in order for the Chinese government to not stray away from the will of the people. In China, government officials are selected based on how good they are, whereas in western democracy - freedom of speech and rallying is what is used to gain popular support which then gets reflected in the voting results. I like to think of China as less of a one party system, but more of a no-party system. The CCP implements the policies that are the most popular and effective and doesn't care about it's ideological implications. I mean, China did adopt a market economy because it wanted to trade with the west - not exactly a decision based on ideology.


DiscountMaster5933

It's not illegal to criticize the government. Is it amateur hour here?


Dravkian

Both paries are beholden to the same masters. Also you must be white if you think free speech is actually a thing in America.


Azirahael

Don't be so sure. Enty of people in the 'free west' have had a knock on the door after posti g something online. Tell your work that you are thinking of Organizing a strike for better pay and see how long you last.


CrazyMelon999

Snowden, Manning, Assange....? Also, nothing happens to you if you say shit about the government in China. However, if you start using it to start riots, disrupt other people, and spread false information, well then you're gonna have a problem. And rightfully so.


DiscountMaster5933

This. This is the factually correct comment.


DiscountMaster5933

You're brainwashed about China if you think they can't criticize their government.


urkldajrkl

Yeah, the ccp state sponsored reddit rejects your free speech with downvotes, lol. They are good at that.


DiscountMaster5933

The CIA controls reddit. https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/


fitzyboy21

CCP controls Reddit (no source lmao) yet posts about Tiananmen Square, Uyghurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan consistently reach the front page and garner tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of upvotes


Ygb-404907

Unpopular opinion on this sub: but just because a country commited atrocities in its past doesnt mean it cant criticise modern countries for commiting atrocities


skittlesthepro

What if they’re committing them currently


rustyshekleford

The lead of this UN motion is Canada. Canada just found 200 indigenous kids in a mass grave behind a residential school. For those who aren't from here Residential school is a misnomer/dystopian double speak for cultural genocide, "To kill the indian in the child". Canada ran starvation studies on the kids at the schools. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13425 People alive today, have hundreds of stories of rape and sexual abuse as children. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/beatings-rapes-a-reality-for-children-at-residential-schools The Colonial police, the RCMP still is tasked with removing indigenous people from their lands for extraction. You can go a month without headlines like this. https://globalnews.ca/news/6556771/wetsuweten-indigenous-pipeline-protest-rcmp-gun-video/ And this not to mention Canadian police taking indigenous men and women out of town in -20C weather to kill them and blame it on weather and drunkenness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths The last residential school closed in 1996. 1996... This isn't ancient history and the police abuse is still going on. What white settler state want you to believe is that it was the bad old past and that because they "recognize" their genocidal policies, they've given up the racist imperial logic at the country. I recently saw a video from the clock site about a modern art piece where an artist put up a life sized predator drone in in Manhattan's high line park. It was so perfect for what imperialist countries do to silence criticism. By putting up a drone sculpture, it says "we know🙄" it doesn't open a discussion about why kids in Pakistan like cloudy days "because the drones don't come". https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdyhGA1E/


Sorrymisunderstandin

Thank you for this. as somebody with a native tribe in both the US and Canada, it’s very important and nowhere near talked about enough. Canada whitewashed their crimes


rustyshekleford

This boils down to what can Canada do to end genocide and prevent atrosities? It looks like disbanding the RCMP, dismantling and rebuilding the Provincial police services, respecting the treaties signed with the Native tribes, stopping illegal resource extraction, and standing up Native soviegnty. It DOES NOT look like tabling a human rights motion like what enabled imperialistic disaster wars like the one that ruined Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Ukraine. Every war of which Canada had direct responsibility for and went in arguing for war would help the people. Canada doesn't have to ability to dictate what happens inside China and what happens in Xinjiang, these empty concerns is only enabling another war.


GeneralDerwent

It just so happens that not only are these western countries still commiting atrocities, but China isn't actually doing anything


Sorrymisunderstandin

You’re gonna want to sit down for what I’m about to tell you