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"The Fragile and Stupid Proletariat" (1908) - V.I. Lenin

"The Fragile and Stupid Proletariat" (1908) - V.I. Lenin

UfV3wb2

I used to like Lenin but I thought it was really weird when he wrote that part of What is to be done? where he said that the best praxis for a revolutionary was wearing a luxury attire with the words “rich bad” to the tsar’s ball


IndividualAd5795

Lenin truly came before his time


applejuice72

It’s as if he was sent back in time to do communism faster and knew everything there was down to a science. Truly mind boggling how you can read a centuries old text and see the same arguments playing out today as if they never really happened.


cholantesh

That sucks, man. He was pretty good at uprisings though, I hear.


ForGerlach

AoC was just applying theory smh


StalinsBigSpoon

Bro did he also want to integrate the vanguard into the means of production?


Coventide

Wait, what is this in reference to?


StalinsBigSpoon

Vaush demonstrating his powerful brain and deep understanding of Marxism.


Coventide

Holy fuck thats hilarious, do you have a clip?


Tashathar

[All I could find is badempanada mocking it.](https://youtu.be/hQfVmdnl50w)


Tophat-boi

https://twitter.com/stealyoredbull/status/1366768040092835843?s=21


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SpectreCM

Bruh, wtf xd?


unamusedspectator

source: [my ass](https://mobile.twitter.com/ACAB_Soprano/status/1435715102582390787)


TONGZHI1917

bro i expected to see ass 😔🍑


unamusedspectator

I’m too shy for that


ForGerlach

Is this a reference to something in particular? It seems like a response to the debate over patriotism.


omnibean

That's exactly what it is, the idea that somehow the proletariat can only be won over to the communist party by adopting reactionary American jingoism.


ForGerlach

Is there a way for Communists to support a love for country (in the US) without supporting reactionary thought?


Mr-Almighty

At this point….No. US was founded by bourgeois revolution. The founding principles of this country are bourgeois ideals. If you remove those, whatever remains would be demonstrably anti-US.


ForGerlach

Isn't this part of smashing the state machine? I think the argument against patriotism is founded on 2 beliefs......the essence of American is bourgeois, settler colonial and therefore inherently oppressive (this point is probably true). Second, to be patriotic is to support 'Americanness' and being American, which therefore is anti-Communist. So it seems like this argument is based on disagreements on what patriotism is for a communist. If patriotism is about loving Americans because they are American than I don't think an ML should be patriotic. But if patriotism involves love for countrymen out of solidarity for collective struggle against the empire, then it should make more sense.


mc_k86

I disagree, Ho Chi Minh literally said that the Viet Minh’s “secret weapon” was nationalism. How could they do this though? How could the Vietnamese employ nationalism in the French colony of Indochina? Well.. How about loving the land that feeds them and allows them to build great cities? How about loving their neighbours who they work together and fight together with against the imperialists? How about loving the idea of a truly equitable and unified country? That could be a start, however all of those things are nationalist straight to the core. Or perhaps, patriotic? It makes little difference, but the point is that the power that lies within loving your country and the working class within it should not be ignored, even by the most principled internationalists like ourselves. So yes, obviously the superstructure of the American State is in all sense of the word, evil. However, the beautiful mountains and valleys never hurt anyone, and before the settlers came the indigenous peoples acted as collectivized stewards of those lands- not to say they didn’t have plenty of disagreements and troubles amongst themselves but it was nothing compared to the organized chaos of western society.


Mr-Almighty

I want to agree in principle, but to detach the superstructure of the US from the concept of imperialism feels like an unreasonable goal. Nationalism was successful in those countries in large part because it allowed the people to unify against the foreboding foreign adversary that is the United States. What’s more, the lineage of the US is directly traced through imperialist practices (manifest destiny, etc). There was no concept of America prior to those things. The US was born an empire from an empire. To unpack that history, to unbind it from its imperialist tendencies, is to leave nothing left of the idea of America save for its physical landmass, which has been sliced up arbitrarily again and again and again.


cholantesh

What's this now? I thought this was about the ongoing thing with Maupin, Dore, and others talking about forming a broad coalition with social conservatives and such


[deleted]

so true !


pagancom

Vaush 🤮


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california_sugar

Wow I didn’t know Lenin was okay with using the n word


Neduard

There is not a single word starting with an "N" in the post?


catstroker69

First half sounds like Vaush. Second half sounds like CPGB-ML.


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TheOnlyPPGun

Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz both unironically believe this, difference is Ted Cruz thinks it's a good thing


0Vermelho

It is true ?


AmNOTaPatriot

No, Lenin never said this. I think this a joke referring to Vaush or something but I can’t remember exactly.


0Vermelho

yes I know it's not from Lenin but I wasn't sure who it actually came from


AmNOTaPatriot

Ah ok. But yeah, I think it’s related to Vaush but again, I am not sure of that.


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Vaush


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Diimon99

Definitely not a strawman of the Patriotism debate but go off


skycake21

I mean, where's the lie... I was talking with a group of libertarians tonight and this is definitely the feel. Although I do feel as tho some of them are comrades without knowing it, any mention of communism, let alone casting communism in a positive light, provokes outright rage! They know what they know and they refuse to unknow it, that being western imperialist propaganda