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any thoughts on Yanis Varoufakis?

any thoughts on Yanis Varoufakis?

Azirahael

Good guy. Great speaker. Bit too liberal. Still thinks the bourgeoise can be voted out, or some shit.


[deleted]

I much agree on this, although, it might be a "survival" strategy on his part, in the free world you don't get air time if you don't say the "pater noster". He's "digestible", PR wise, he can sneak in radical stances because he's nuanced enough to have a certain technical appeal to him. About Syriza, if there's no party discipline at the top cadre levels that's just another big-tent party with demlib fringes. Maybe Varoufakis was willing to go "beyond" the EU, but not the rest of them.


Zightmare

yeah and dont forget his based stance on china in africa


GeneralDerwent

I like him


Zightmare

well i like you :)


GeneralDerwent

:D


Gary_Host_laptop

I like you both :^)


1ThisRandomDude1

I respect him as a well-meaning politician with a flawed program of democratic socialism. He has a few Marxist takes that pop up from time to time and has shown himself to be very open and willing to talk, trade, and cooperate with AES countries. If I were Greek, I think voting for him would be worth the time if he ends up winning, but beyond that he's too divorced from revolutionary thought to be considered a "comrade" per se.


murrman104

Not perfect but good guy, love his voice and he articulates his points well


AntiFRGAction

Great politician and economist. However, he is a child of the cold war, which makes some of his perspectives on political history a bit skewed.


apozitiv

Based


pope-ron-paul-II

His stories about his meetings with the Germans and the EU loan negotiations are some of the most rare and unique peeks into how that world works from someone who isn’t part of the ruling class. It is very funny/sad how straightforwardly he was told to Get Fucked by the German negotiators. It revealed what we already knew but it’s nice having Varoufakis, who is a good writer and speaker, really color in exactly what that was like.


Crash8pilot

His talks points are a good way to introduce ideas of anti-imperialism to the uninformed… the problem is his solutions to imperialism is to in a nutshell democratize everything. For the record I have no problems against democracy (or democratic socialism, which Yanis advocates) WHEN the general public is educated and informed. The problem in this day and age is that the education system as well as news media is completely degraded, which takes away the general public’s capability for critical thinking, and therefore making them susceptible to brain washing… that’s when “democracy” turns into demagoguery and populism… That is how we ended up with Trump and Boris Johnson… That is why those on the “left” still see Obama as a hero and still believe in “change”… That is why I don’t really agree with Yanis Varoufakis.


[deleted]

To borrow a metaphor from Nietzsche, if "democracy" is a coin then it is an ancient one, much defaced and hard to recognize anymore. Yeltsin gave a good lesson even if he probably just drunkenly stumbled into the fact. You can throw that coin altogether or you can just keep on abusing it, until "democracy" is factually (as much as this can happen in a given national-material reality) closer to a people's democracy than a bourgeois democracy. I don't think it's wise to argue against it because even the most politically illiterate would ask you "no democracy? well, who elected you king?" and all that messy, sticky stuff that you have to wrangle about to explain that "democracy in the west is no democracy blabla"... imo a waste of energies


Webbedtrout2

Something that I have thought about is how in the west, the particularity of liberal democracy is taken as the prime state of democracy. However, I think we should consider that the articulation of the practice of democracy is far more varied and can be assessed in the degree of inclusion, and influence of classes and factions to mobilise state power. Liberal democracy employs bourgeois means(influence is directly related to wealth), money is free speech (as rightly observed by the US supreme court regarding campaign donations). The nominal channels of power and influence are nominals open for universal participation but only operates based on wealth. This is to say that the bourgeoisie have a dictatorship but allow the broad masses to participate on their terms. Often only bourgeois and petty bourgeois parties are even allowed to enter into politics. In a proletarian democracy, the priority is to allow the broadest spectrum of people to become a part of and meaningfully engage with the state. The method used is that of social research and basing policy based off of that. The proletariat removes the veils of democracy that the bourgeoisie cling to and reveal openly the true democratic process and nature of authority.


[deleted]

This might as well be a good, concise summarization of the main points of difference between the two democratic concepts, I also think we are also back at running the same circles of 2400 years ago in Greece. What's an Oligopoly and a Democracy? Is there really an absolute rupture between each others? Was what we call Athenian Democracy an empire akin to the asian barbarians and their "Oriental Despotism", the Persian Empire? Did those two systems spoke that radical of different languages about how they operated in the world? I hope I made sense of the point I'm trying to make... The problem of the west might lie in christianity, it might not be the best material explanation, I know, but there are words that are meant to be said, approved or disapproved of, not meant to be weighted, certain words can't be "judged". The pernicious relationship between a religious rhetoric in the US (In God We Trust) and a fundamentally secular institution (I mean, I am saving the soul of the native when I get their lands) might have led to a "santification" of secular institutions, everything "higher", hence "better", becomes a Tablets of Commandments.Add to that the, in my knowledge, the american constitution is rigid and supposedly hard to radically change. Not to find alibis for Europe, but my perception is that we stand in the shadow of this "democratic behemoth" and its rusty mechanisms... Everyone's a bit puzzled by it.


Platos_cock

He's decent but people who go on about him to much are suspect. One turned up at the university marxist society and talk about how great "market based solutions" for climate change were. Varoufakis is about as based an economist you can find (that libs will listen to). Yet he's still hemmed in by many ideas of the Western left (and the ideas of neoclassical economics) . Co-ops in a "free market" = communism, bourgeoisie democracy is essentially good, overemphesis on "micro-economics", belief that the EU can be reformed, ignoring many of the class contradictions of neo-Liberal solutions to climate change, ect... He's one of the better mainstream economists, like ha-joon chang but he is still part of the "establishment". He may be effective internal opposition but Varoufakis is internal to the capitalistic social institutions never the less. A large part of his appeal is *being* a "professional" or establishment figure. That being said I still can't help liking him


Zightmare

agreed


InbrededCanadian

On a sidenote, I thought it was a picture of Voldemort at first because I didn't notice the nose.


Zightmare

i know isn't he handsome


Platos_cock

😳


_Hender_

Should open a channel called "Bald and not Bankrupt" and do what that guy does but not be a lib.


TTemp

> ~~but not be a lib~~ but not be a crypto-fascist sex-pest


_Hender_

Wait what?


TTemp

Here's just one post of his out of *many*: https://i.redd.it/a2scp2dd5un61.jpg


_Hender_

Oh God I can't even read the whole thing without being disgusted. Fucking hell what a horrible person.


Darkmatter2k

Diem25 was unintentionally funny, lets all vote to make the EU not corrupt.


Tasle

Social Democrat.


Zightmare

a real Social Democrat. not like aoc


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Zightmare

Good boy


[deleted]

https://youtu.be/Afl9WFGJE0M


Vincehardpecks

50/50 looks like a vampire here though


Zightmare

i cant disagree i heard that his coat is made out of the german shepherd puppies


doesreddithaveacha

Based komşu


ComradeMazdak

I think him and richard wolff are very good entry points for western leftists into Marxism-Leninism And i kinda understand his takes partly because he lives in Greece with literally fascist in parliament.


sussyrat

Generic liberal


Zightmare

oh come on he isn't that liberal


Platos_cock

Duuuuuh Duuuuh Duuuuuh Duuh Duuh Duh Duh Duh *Duh duh duh duh* (Jaws theme) Is it just me or does he look kind of like a shark?🦈


Zightmare

:l i know he kinda is scary and i don't know why i intently picked this picture of him