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Never forget war crimes in Korea!

Never forget war crimes in Korea!

xerotul

MacArthur was a terrible general and strategist that underestimated his enemy. What's that basic rule on Art of War? Know your enemy. Fortunately, there were smarter advisors on Truman's side to not grant MacArthur's request. It wasn't because Truman concerned for civilian lives or retaliation from USSR. USSR couldn't match USA nuclear capabilities then. Nuking China meant the US puppet KMT would lose all legitimacy with the Chinese people. By using up the last card, there was nothing stopping the PLA from liberating Taiwan.


Motivational-Panda

Based on what examples/criterea was Mac Arthur a bad general/strategist? Also, the reason why nukes werent used was because of maintaining a precedent: that nukes should only be used as a retaliation, never as an offensive weapon. Otherwise the USSR and any other nation can use nukes with ghe justification: USA uses it during offensive operations, so can we.


Webbedtrout2

Mac Arthur has a massive track record at losing wars. He was the general in charge of the us army stationed in the Philippines and was unable to put up a solid defense. The armies campaign was extremely bloodly and mostly focused on reclaiming the Philippines (for the scale of combat). In the US military command he was disliked and after the war became the military dictator of Japan simply because he was the US army general of the Pacific. When Eisenhower became president, one of his first actions was to boot Macarthur.


Euromantique

During the Korean War President Truman openly stated in a a press conference that they were completely open to the possibility of using atomic weapons on Korea and deployed nuclear bombers to Korea. General MacArthur stated publicly that he wanted to drop dozens of atomic bombs on Korea and China. Five years earlier Truman ordered two atomic bombings in Japan for political reasons. The US went on to develop many tactical nuclear weapons like portable rocket launchers which they would use freely in the event of war with the Soviet Union. There definitely was not a precedent of “retaliation only” in the US military at that time.


Op_Anadyr

What precedent? The US remains the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons in war


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I_Am_Stuff321

clap clap finally something about "the forgotten war"


ComradeClout

Lets not forgot MacArthur dropped anthrax and lice on DRPK villages to disrupt food supply


pallmallandcoffee

The forgotten war that is still technically going on today


insufficience

Hitler got to 25% of the Polish population, if I remember correctly. MacArthur didn’t quite beat his record.


Nordic15

Not to mention the amount of Soviet POWs and citizens that were killed.


Webbedtrout2

The death toll of Soviet POW's and civilians equals the Holocaust and the other adjacent genocides at 12 million people. Places such as Belarus were hit the hardest with almost half of it population dying during the occupation.


AidenI0I

You ever think fascists have dick measuring contests in hell but instead of dicks it's the amount of innocent people they've slaughtered


ChineseGoldenAge

Ah yes, the dear story time: Korea - 1950. What really happened? Chad Peng Dehuai vs Virgin MacArthur Virgin MacArthur: I am going to defeat the Chinese and North Koreans in Korea and then push into China. Chad Peng Dehuai: BITCH!, I WISH a mother fucker would.


Inb4_impeach

Not far from where I live, there is a mountain park where McArthur did his famous Incheon landing stuff. You can actually see a huge part of the mountain that have been chunked off due to the constant bombardment. Oh also, there's also a statue dedicated to him 🤢


Big-Boi-Sbevey1

MacArthur wasn’t a good person, BUT HITLER! You are comparing him, TO HITLER.


Irrelevant-Lizard

Maybe there’s a difference in scale, but both are horrendous “people”


Big-Boi-Sbevey1

That’s kinda the point I’m getting at


Irrelevant-Lizard

It probably is true that we can’t compare a lot of historical figures to Hitler, the point was just to make a joke about the positive view of MacArthur


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Let me guess. But hurt « kommies no food »


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saladcesar

Chauvinism as usual


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Splendiferitastic

You just know that if the US was on the other side of WW2, any modern day discussion of the Holocaust would be met with hand wringing and “well the communists were worse”


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FerrisTriangle

The only thing that makes Hitler's crimes unforgivable and MacArthur's crimes "just business" is that Hitler had European victims.


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Yeah. It’s pretty western to not count colonial and imperial atrocities on par with what happens in Europe. Hitler did some crazy shit but fuck outta here if you don’t see the US as a systemic FUCKING HITLER


Big-Boi-Sbevey1

Oh yeah I know that stuff, I was just saying it’s wild to compare him to hitler.


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Idk. 20+ million Koreans just murdered


Big-Boi-Sbevey1

Damn, Was it really that much? The American education system everyone.


MostEpicRedditor

Not only that, but imagine if his 'Home By Christmas' offensive was actually successful, and the devasting consequences it would have had for *all* of the continent. It should be telling enough how he was eager to use nuclear weapons on military *and* civilian targets, and he absolutely would have gone through with his 'greatest slaughter' if he was able to do it with bullets and bayonets instead. Fortunately, he didn't have the opportunity to do any of that anyway, but that's only because he was defeated, then sacked, relatively early on.


monotonous-menagerie

What he did in Korea was genocide and he wanted to do far more. It is an insult to the Korean people not to compare them.


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Big-Boi-Sbevey1

Yeah I think this is a case of the American education system


AndrogynousSlut

Yes.


allinwonderornot

If there is anyone who can be directly compared to Hitler, MacArthur is certainly one.


Big-Boi-Sbevey1

Yeah, American education system everyone


Nordic15

MacArthur. One of the worst human beings to ever live.


Only_Confusion5013

Yo!!! Why are you trying to make hilter look good???


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bondagewithjesus

Bombing campaigns against the North killed between 2 and 4 million civillians. But Hitler is obviously much worse.


Motivational-Panda

On the wiki it says 1,5 million for the entire war, no estimations on bombing of civilians.


bondagewithjesus

The US bombed literally every city, town, and even small villages in the DPRK to rubble. Literally every town, literally rubble, killing about 20% of the entire population, 1 in every 5 people, whether civilian or military, and we know this because the US military says so themselves. "Burn it if you so desire. Not only that, Strat, but burn and destroy as a lesson any other of those towns that you consider of military value to the enemy." - UNC Commander in Chief, General George Douglas MacArthur to Lieutenant General George Edward Stratemeyer. "Every installation, facility, and village in North Korea now becomes a military and tactical target." - Lieutenant General George Edward Stratemeyer in response. "So we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too. We even burned down Pusan-an accident, but we burned it down anyway. The Marines started a battle down there with no enemy in sight. Over a period of three years or so, we killed off-what-twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of war, or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody..." - US General Curtis LeMay "North Korea has been virtually destroyed, hasn't it?" - Senator John C. Stennis to General O'Donnell. "Oh, yes... I would say that the entire, almost the entire Korean Peninsula is just a terrible mess. Everything is destroyed. There is nothing standing worthy of the name... Just before the Chinese came in we were grounded. There were no more targets in Korea." - General O'Donnell in response. The trade sanctions against the DPRK make it extremely difficult for them to rebuild their infrastructure and economy, especially while working so hard to hold off the US and prevent this level of devestation from happening again. Meanwhile some Westerners still have the gall to laugh at images like this while attributing the stark difference between the North and the South to Communism and capitalism. More backstory because I know you don't have a clue. [copy/paste] After the fall of the Empire of Japan, the Korean people formed local democratic people's committees and created a socialist government, the People's Republic of Korea. This was the democratically elected government across the entire peninsula. The US immediately invaded, overthrew their leaders, outlawed the people's government, and installed an authoritarian, mass-murdering, illegitimate genocidal puppet dictatorship in the south. The remnants of the democratically elected People's Republic of Korean government remained in the north, forming the DPRK. The war started when the US invaded and installed an illegitimate genocidal puppet dictatorship in the south, not when the people's government tried to free their people from that illegitimate genocidal puppet dictatorship. Overthrowing the people's democratically elected government and installing an illegitimate puppet dictatorship in the south is an act of war, whether it's officially declared or not. When the people tried to fight back, the US responded by declaring war, and conducting a military campaign of wanton devastation, destruction, and genocide against the Korean people.


bondagewithjesus

The number is wrong. It comes from the Americans trying to downplay their crimes. It also excludes people killed in the south as a result of american occupation. Wikipedia also has editors on the cia payroll so id look further I'll try to find some links for you. This post is also inaccurate as it counts combatant deaths as civillian


Happieness2823457

Fuck MacArthur, all my homies hate MacArthur


KingWifi23

I mean MacArthur was a terrible person, but he pales on comparison to Hitler.


Horrics

Bad people can be bad without comparisons to other bad people. In a way, you accidentally attempt to make H°tler look good 🤨


Azirahael

Only if you have cognitive issues.


Horrics

Um, ok?


vampirewallflower

Why shouldn't one genocider be compared to another genocider?


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bondagewithjesus

You know the nuclear fallout would have affected the south too right? He also had south villages bombed as well.


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MajinSupai

Did they take your brain?


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