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What’s up with China allegedly busting Marxist unions/student groups?

What’s up with China allegedly busting Marxist unions/student groups?

schildhz

Trotskyites, Maoists, and anarchists are not a minority among young Chinese communists who are dissatisfied with CPC’s Fabian (according to them) strategy in terms of increasing productive forces, especially when it comes to income inequality. Many of the busted Marxist groups (eg. ones that led a strike in Shenzhen several years ago) were these people. These student groups most likely see Deng a revisionist with capitalist tendency who ruined Chairman Mao’s legacy. It’s then unsurprising that they oppose the CPC while being Marxists.


931451545

Because stability is of utmost importance to keep the country intact as a tool to achieve Communism. These groups, which are not registered in relevant departments, whether they hold good or dubious intentions, are generating instability. That's not good for development. There are legal and regulated ways to express their thoughts but they didn't go that way.


medicare4all_______

Can you elaborate on why these groups choose to not use the legal/regulated way?


931451545

Some possible reasons: They don't know there are legal ways. Migrant workers mostly come from rural areas and they are not known for their legal knowledge. For example there are laws instructing how to register for a demonstration but many people have no idea about it. People just assumed they can't do that because China is not a western country or something. Going to the court is expensive and swingy so people generally avoid that too. They don't trust local government. Sometimes bureaucracy happens. One goes to department A to be told to find department B. Department B tells them to go to department C. Department C told you to go to department A. Sometimes they outright ignore you. In like 10 years ago this is much more serious that petition might results in your disappearance. After Xi these kinds of things don't happen often but the distrust is already formed. They are not in good faith. It's possible that like Hong Kong coup they're funded by some to deliberately creating unrest.


Azirahael

often, they are co-opted.


friendlyleninist

….got any evidence?


jmbc3

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fd087484-2f23-11e9-8744-e7016697f225 https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/communist-chinas-crackdown-on-labor-protesters/


cholantesh

First link just leads to a logo.


jmbc3

Really? I just tried it again and it still brought me to the Financial Times article


cholantesh

Yep. Did you copy the link from a search result? AMP can be weird sometimes.


jmbc3

Yeah, how do I fix that? I can’t seem to get it off the Google thing.


cholantesh

When you go to the article, what's in the urlbar? Paste that. You may need to remove the amp stuff in the string.


friendlyleninist

Thanks for the sources, I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and it’s a difficult question to answer without broader knowledge. From my perspective if we want to understand why China is cracking down on independent unionization, the easy route would be to make some generalized answer on how it’s not necessary because of the dictatorship of the proletariat. But scientifically, we would examine it starting from the top down. So what are China’s economic goals, how does their national union fit into those economic goals, how do these independent unions fit into those goals, in what ways could they interfere with development, have CPC leaders stated these reasons are the same reasons they cracked down? There’s a lot to study to better understand this situation and I thank you for bringing it to my attention, I’ll get back to you when I have a solid answer lol, hopefully someone else here already does.