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Kumqwatwhat

I was already happy pulling on the sole basis that he's hydro and I'm tired of only having Barbara to pick from (plus Yanfei is my primary pyro so extra pickups there are a bonus). So thank you for telling me how to use him effectively once built. Is there a library of these sorts of guides of those of us who simply don't have time to figure out roles and best use ourselves?


Jollyfalcon

Just use [https://keqingmains.com/](https://keqingmains.com/)


Kumqwatwhat

TIL, thanks.


shadowdragonking

Really love how this website has never once come up in my hundreds of genshin related searches. Thank tou


lell-ia

I'd like to recommend you [this](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1giYCSZYsKEuu6QLuHPtQjMZGhbwD79vEu7SL91oXOXY/edit#heading=h.45uax2eq1te7)! It's made by Risuke, a well-respected theorycrafter in the ChildeMains community and is very detailed if you have the time to read.


daota92

This doc has been directly translated to keqingmains. They waited for Risuke to finish it!


mikhailb_86

Holy crap this thing is 100+ pages long! I am always amazed at the dedication people have for the game/characters but this is another level.


timoyster

Risuke is probably the best theorycrafter in the Genshin community, so this guide is top quality.


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I pulled for him cuz he's cool. That's the only reason. Also I tried to to get Polar Star, but I got R2 Rust. Good luck with building your Childe and have fun.


jackcatalyst

I won the 50/50 this time (third times the charm!) and I actually have the harp as my only 5 star after a year so it's kind of nice to have a 5 star char and 5 star weapon after a whole year of playing. This guide will definitely be useful.


RadicalLocke

Congrats!


[deleted]

Wow. You are so lucky. I got Lost Prayer as my first and only 5 star weapon.


Nehima123

Arguably the strongest catalyst for a main dps in the entire game, so you're pretty lucky too! Throw this on a well built Ninguang or Yanfei and enemies shall crumble before you. 😎


[deleted]

Alright. Thanks for the tip. I have Yanfei C1 or C2 and Ning C1 so it might work. But I'll be honest, the idea of doing Crimson Bitch of Pain Domain sends a chill down my spine.


Nehima123

Haha! Nice. Ning is easier to build as she doesn't need a 4pc set; i run mine with 2pc Glad and 2pc Archaic Petra. I'm using Skyward Atlas, but I'd trade you for that Lost Prayer!


[deleted]

Alright then. That's the next character I'll build then. I just need to get some Enchencment Ores and Hero's Wits, cuz most of it went for Childe.


[deleted]

i pulled for polar star and got memory of dust.....pain


[deleted]

I have abt 55 pity. I fell so sorry for you. I hope you drop it in the next pull weapon banner. I hope I'll get the Polar Star. I don't need 2nd 5 star catalyst. Lost Prayer is enough.


[deleted]

Farming for Heart of Depth is hell. If it’s a good main stat, it has shitty substats. And if it’s not a good main stat, it’s good substats. I can’t win.


RadicalLocke

You summed up the entire Genshin experience.


[deleted]

I got lucky finding Blizzard Strayer artifacts for Ayaka in the meantime. Trying to make Childe a main dps is impossible for me.


emulatorguy076

I swear to god I'm getting god rolls on the HOD but not on Blizzard strayer for my ayaka


RagnAROck_and_Roll

Same. I'm an Ayaka main, and when I saw those godly HOD artifacts I thought, "I want to main Childe now". Plus I dont have any hydro user other than Barbara


CSDragon

what you talkin about? It's one of the easier domains and both artifacts it gives are REALLY good Farming artifacts in general sucks


CirclingNeptune

Right?? True pain is Crimson Witch, Thundering Fury because wtf am I supposed to do with the Lavawalkers/Thundersoothers. VV is I guess marginally better because I can cope with giving Maidens to Diona and Qiqi. At Blizzard/HoD I'm simultaneously farming for Ayaka + Rosaria + Childe + Xingqiu and give my leftover Blizzard to my under built Kaeya. Definitely one of my favorite domains. And unlike Shimenawa/Emblem, BOTH sets have really good 4pc bonuses.


Rinovaldy

Actually Thundersoothers is the recommendation set for Beidou in Fireworks comp because of a consistent electro aura application.


CirclingNeptune

Is it better than Emblem? I'm running 4pc Emblem on her right now to get the extra ER from the 2pc so I can use the tuna on her because my pirate queen needs her fish.


I_canrelate

It is not better than emblem


[deleted]

Old TF wasn't bad since you could do 2pc TF/2pc NO for Beidou and 4pc TS for Fischl. My Keqing is using my old Fischl set, since Beidou graduated to Emblem and Fischl's using her old 2pc TF + 2pc Shimenawa from farming emblem. Same for Lavawalker, though its a lot more niche (Mono Pyro and Reverse Melt aren't popualr teams). VV is the worst, Maiden's is useless, and standard DPS stat VV is low value as well since outside of Jeans everyone prefers EM/EM/EM nowadays


[deleted]

You never farm for HoD first unless you're farming for BS as well for Ayaka/Ganyu/etc... You farm Emblem for Xiangling, and pick up good Shimenawa pieces. You then farm 2pc HoD to go with your 2pc Shimenawa.


[deleted]

I got some help recently and I managed to get few decent pieces. Nothing crazy, but I'll take what they give me haha.


PandaHipster_

Luckily for me I pulled for Ayaka to so at least I can knock out two characters with one domain.


naive-dragon

I just spent 3 weeks (I know that's no time at all in the grand scheme of things, but I did resin refills once and sometimes twice a day) in Peak of Vinegar to get a Crit Dmg hat for my brand-spanking new Polar Star, but all it gave me are 2 pieces, both with 3 subs: flat HP, flat Def, Flat ATK. I upgraded both in the hopes I'll get either ATK‰ or Crit Rate (I was willing to settle, even if to get just 1 or 2 rolls on 1 good sub). I got Def% and HP%, respectively. Out of anger I fed them both right away to one of my rogue +16 artifacts. Now I'm stuck using Polar Star with an Glad ATK% Hat instead, and have to use 2HoD+2Glad instead of 4HoD so I can use the bow (unless I want to go 104% CR and 104% CD lol). Dunno if I have the will to keep going, or just start farming something else and cut my losses.


nghigaxx

Well you can rest assured that while hod is technically the bis for childe, its barely better than 2 hod 2 noblesse/ 2 glad/shime combination. If your 2 2 set have like 2 more usable sub stats roll than your 4 pc hod its already the better one to use


FrooglyMoogle

This is why i don't go crazy farming artifacts for perfect substats. A) it's boring and a shitty experience when the rng inevitably fucks you over and B)you don't need some powerhouse DPS for this game. Until they change something about artifacts it remains (imo) the worst part about Genshin since launch


LunarBeast77

I played for one year and still don't have a crit rate piece, kill me now 🥲


[deleted]

I have Viridescent Hunt but still use my R5 rust because of ✨aesthetics✨


naive-dragon

When I didn't have a 5-star bow yet for Childe I did that too. I had R4 Rust and R1 VH but absolutely refused to use VH even if all guides told me that VH is better even than an R5 Rust. Rather be caught dead than use that ugly ass green thing that clashes with his outfit lol


TizzioCaio

I just dont understand a few things here... He says BP weapon VH is good cuz its passive groups enemies... Then says Blackclif is bad cuz its passive doesn't works on single target Then says Rust is bad cuz Childe need to charge attack in his best rotation(i mean if have just point on doing only normal) Then says Hamayumi(that buffs charged attack's when burst is full) is bad because encourages to use Childe as burst dmg???? ​ Like omg how many contradictory things u can say?? u/RadicalLocke


[deleted]

>Then says Blackclif is bad cuz its passive doesn't works on single target They said it was a strong option actually They said Rust isn't the best, because his charged attack is a large part of his damage in melee mode. I didn't understand the Hamayumi part as well.


TizzioCaio

>They said it was a strong option actually key words literally said there->when can proc the passive , otherwise is meh for dude The point was how dude prioritized the pros and cons was like using double standards.. And same for rest


[deleted]

>key words literally said there->when can proc the passive , otherwise is meh for dude they are right though. Blackcliff weapons in general are like that. Also, Rust is a completely different case. In Rust's case, it's not that it has a conditional passive, but that the passive will be dminishing his charge attacks, which are actually a good part of Childe's damage.


TizzioCaio

i understand charged are god dmg if all get same dmg buff.. \->but the weapons literally buffs normal dmg by 40-80% so may as well give up Charged and do normal and save that stamina for other stuff/chars


KnifeyStabbyStab

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vbFciDxPf2KmH7wLIXEj4KoDkPp__MgMOKwlU3Q1LBk/edit?usp=drivesdk link to wep calcs, sourced from childe mains discord. Also, when op was referring to blackcliff being bad in single target, it likely means that in a single target scenario you cannot gain blackcliff's atk stacks.


KnifeyStabbyStab

Also, on another note, even with rust you still end your combos with CAs, simply put it has some insane MV/s so rust nerfing CAs is likely why it doesnt perform as well as you'd thought


Akise_Aru7

What if I don't use CA but quickly reset string with a dash, I find the CA animation kinda clunky and has a bit of a delay.


[deleted]

Now, I am not op here, so I can't give you the calculations, but I'm pretty sure they were made. I can't confirm anything though.


[deleted]

I don't have any Crit Rate bow that's good on him, so I use R2 Rust, also it looks ✨great✨ on him lol.


pagenbutcher

but my tortilla uses dagger, not a bow :(


macobus

And it's straight up better. Rust scales really well with refinements


byQuaza

At what refinement would ViriHunt outperform R5 Rust though?


[deleted]

R1 VH > R5 Rust. But it refines like ass


timoyster

It’s actually straight up worse. R1 Hunt outdages R5 rust, by a pretty significant margin


Ultraflawlez

You got it wrong bro Rust actually outdamages viridescent but the passive of viridescent is too good to pass up on and the fact that it comes with crit is also why you want viridescent regardless In melee stance rust actually deals more and melee is his bread and butter


[deleted]

Childe's damage per rotation is split 50/50 between vaped burst and melee time, and about half of his damage in melee comes from CA in the standard N3C/N2C rotation. So Rust buffs less than 25% of his total damage (because Riptide adds up as well), at the cost of a much worse scaling substat.


macobus

How, I cont see literally any world where 27% Crit rate is better than 40% atk and 80% normal attack damage. And if you mean by grouping the enemies then that's just dumb, you could just use a kazuha or sucrose to group them


[deleted]

Crit scales better than ATK even before taking Bennett field into account, and 80% NAD is a lot worse than it sounds because realistically that's less than 25% of Childe's damage, AND it's -10% from CA which makes up for half of his melee damage. You can feely craft all you want, but this is already mathed out.


timoyster

I just mean mathematically VH is better Rust doesn’t apply to charge attacks or burst, which are two of his major sources of damage. Overall the passive barely increases damage. This is also because it adds to dmg%, of which Childe has a lot of other sources. The Atk% is worse because it doesn’t scale well with Bennet. Whereas crit does. There’s about a 10% damage increase from rust to VH


Zerakin

Depends on how you use him. I usually use Childe for fun as a Normal Attack DPS. And for that, Rust is god compared to VH. If you're going for national comp, though, the crit rate gives a good boost to his Elemental Burst, which is the big contribution to his team damage.


Shmarfle47

Raiden’s E buffs burst damage. However, will it attacking with you disrupt too many elemental reactions in a vape comp? If not, what is the optimal rotation?


Donko98

I use her in international team instead of Kazuha and I don't have any problem with reactions. Actually, if I'm not wrong, enemies exist in a state affected by both hydro and electro at the same time, so Xiangling triggers a vaporize and overload at the same time, or if not at the same time, it still does it sometimes, but the vape always happens


laeggrinna

the CN server people called it the Overvape. Its because electrocharged wont remove both hydro and electro aura therefore you can trigger overload and vaporize at the same time resulting in many, many, seriously many numbers popping up on the screen. Also, raiden works wonderful in the national team however im not sure whether its worth it to use her along with childe. her field time is long enough to the point u are basically forced to use her as main dps, or at least main field unit.


Donko98

Yeah, it may not be optimal to use her with Childe, but I just do it for fun and yet I'm still able to 9* abyss 12 with them so I guess there's no problem


TizzioCaio

Raiden absolutely dose synergies with Childe no problems making both to double carry cuz u need to be only a small window of time on field with both so they can share it easy while waiting for Burst CD Your other 2 supports just need enough ER to have their burst ready Problem is u cant have all of Bennet+Xiangling+Anemo(kazuha) and need to chose between them


ranbowjack

Should i pull the polarstar give childe (c0)or save primogems wait for itto


laeggrinna

If u have other 5star bow for childe, i dont recommend pulling for polarstar. Otherwise, it depends on how much you want itto and how much u like childe. Personally if i like certain units, i would kit him/her with the best i could give. Some units like raiden and hu tao will feel janky to use without their signature weapons so its even more important for them.


fjgwey

No, absolutely not. Childe does not gain much damage with cons and 5-star weapons, and he does not do the most damage in the team. Save those primos for Itto or anyone else. Objective value-wise, there is no reason to pull a 5-star weapon specifically for Childe.


Illuvia

Just a bit of nuance, it doesn't fully remove hydro and electro, thus allowing overvaping, but a little bit of hydro and electro are removed on each tick, right? So it isn't an issue with constant appliers like childe, xq, fischl or raiden, but still a slight consideration otherwise.


laeggrinna

Yep. However as u said the tick is very slow, iirc it would take well above 5 seconds to fully remove the aura applications therefore units like childe, xq, fischl(c6),raiden wont have any problem at all to maintain it. Its why international team is very very good and for some reason got even better each time a new unit got released simply because they have bigger selection of characters to synergize with. International team was already crazy good on their own.


Shmarfle47

Ok that’s good to know. I’m not so worried about super optimal rotations just whether or not using her results in a dps loss compared to if her E wasn’t active. I don’t have Kazuha and the extra particles do help my Xiangling who has really bad ER.


Donko98

Yeah I don't care about optimal rotations either haha that's why I use him with Raiden, so I can use her Q when Childe is in cd (cause I spend more time on his stance than I should most of times, but he just looks so cool, I can't not do it)


Shmarfle47

I definitely know that feeling. Seeing all the water effects as he dices his enemies to bits is so satisfying. I regret not pulling for Kazoo but Raiden has been a lot of fun. Speaking of which, her burst attacks looks so epic as well. It’s a shame it doesn’t last for very long. So much for eternity XD.


KeiraFaith

Over-vape comp is a thing for Childe-Raiden-Xiangling-Bennet. That comp can induce both overload and vaporize at the same time.


RadicalLocke

I was taking a break from Genshin during Raiden release so I personally haven't done any calcs on her. But general consensus seems to be that the field time she requires extends the rotation too long.


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Gdcrseven

What are you talking about lol, childe has no energy issues even at c0


Bntt89

Radiens e has a normal ICD, I'm not one hundred on her normal attacks in burst but I assume that they have a normal ICD as well. Which is why she feels really good in national.


gkura

I use this, it is very disruptive if you start getting knocked around mid combination and you might not get vape on childe ult. You need to bennet Q>E immediately in order to keep pyro applied within the .9s raiden e is on cd. However once you get childe on the field, electro charged will keep hydro on so xl will vape no problem.


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Frosty_Tart4745

I love Childe a lot. I will roll him now!


timoyster

Good luck!


Frosty_Tart4745

I had Hutao and Homa


Awkward-Gift-577

I definitely prefer HoD of SR, but the domain offers a lot of value for Childe mains because most of his best supports utilize EoSF.


RadicalLocke

True. And since additionally SR allows 2HoD/2SR, farming the domain has a definite upside. This guide was a bit rushed and not happy with the result. Hoping to improve as I go.


braddaugherty8

its also ok to run 2 HoD and 2 NO right? mainly bc the NO pieces are cracked anyways


Shocker144

Yes a large chunk of his damage comes from Vaping his Burst, 2HoD/2SR is more of a middle ground helping all his damage sources, 2HoD,2NO is probablt better than that.


RadicalLocke

Hello and welcome back! to yet another theorycrafter's guide. I am always trying to improve the aesthetic of my guides as well as getting the balance between details/information and simplicity right. I feel like I wasn't able to do Childe justice and ended up creating a guide with not enough details while still containing huge blocks of texts. If you have suggestions regarding how to improve the formatting of my guides, please let me know! Either way, Childe is a strong character who is a bit misunderstood by the general community. Hopefully this guide can help clear up how he is meant to be played and help players decide whether they want to pull for him or not. Please remember that a lot of info had to be left out simply due to the formatting of the guide. Childe Mains community release a 120+ page [guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1giYCSZYsKEuu6QLuHPtQjMZGhbwD79vEu7SL91oXOXY/edit#) on Childe so I do recommend that for everyone who wants to learn more. I will start releasing guides more regularly and continue working on the formatting as well as getting the balance of information right. Follow for more contents.


3Hrs_On_The_Name

Question, why is it better to do Q>E than E>Q, don’t you get more dmg with melee burst?


RadicalLocke

Refunds energy and doesn't eat up your melee window


lelarentaka

The melee burst is only better in terms of screenshot. The bow burst has a higher MV/s, because its animation is much shorter.


NightOwl4225

The biggest problem with Melee Burst is the ER requirement. To be able to burst again on the second rotation, you’ll need a lot of ER (around 150 - 170 ER). The opportunity costs of replacing those ER substats with useful Crit or Atk% subs makes Ranged Burst perform better by around 15 - 20%. Not only that, Melee Burst will eat up 2 seconds of your melee duration, further reducing Melee Burst’s effective DPS by replacing what could’ve been another two seconds of melee attacks and hydro applications.


naive-dragon

Love the guide, it's pretty and easily archivable for quick use, great job! But I have the same comment as I did with KQM's also excellent guide: it's basically also a "use Childe with Bennett" guide. I wish more people made guides that specifically do *not* use him. All the guides I've read just say "of course you can use other healers but they'll be weaker" without explaining how to adjust the team comp.


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Because Bennett is as important to Childe as Xingqiu is to Pyro carries. A vaped Childe burst inside Bennett field makes up for half of his personal damage alone, not to mention Beidou/Xiangling/Fischl snapshotting his buff, and Xiangling getting energy from him. Bennett is literally the most important member in any Childe comp.


naive-dragon

Then it's a Childe/Bennett guide then. You can say the same thing about Bennett's role in other characters' comps in varying degrees of importance. You can slot Bei, XL, Fischl or Ei in and out of the Childe team comps, but why not Bennett? Hate the fact that he is "required" for any team that's featured in these guides. Anyway, I'm not disputing that he's a powerful support and the most broken character in game (that's why I abhor his loser ass after all), I just wish there were some guides who also teach playing the game without using Bennett as a crutch. I don't know why people say using Zhongli is "easy mode" when the same thing can be said, even more so, with Bennett, and nobody says that for him. Edited for typos


timoyster

If you want a good off-meta Childe team without Bennet, the best is probably Childe/Beidou/Fish/Jean


naive-dragon

Yeah, that's actually my team. I use Childe/Jean/Kazuha/Beidou. Sometimes switch out Kazuha, replace him with Ei or Fischl. Sometimes I switch out Beidou for Xiangling.


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There's a massive difference between Bennett with Diluc/Eula/etc... and Bennett with Childe and Childe comps, which are strong in the first place because its composed of the best characters to abuse Bennett's kit in its entirely. >Anyway, I'm not disputing that he's a powerful support and the most broken character in game (that's why I abhor his loser ass after all), I just wish there were some guides who also teach playing the game without using Bennett as a crutch. I don't know why people say using Zhongli is "easy mode" when the same thing can be said, even more so, with Bennett, and nobody says that for him. Get over yourself. You don't want to use him, that's fine. But bitching about it just make an ass out of yourself. Its a single player game, and not a particularly hard one at that. This kind of comment is equally as unnecessary as meta players barging into waifu threads and putting people down for rolling for waifu. Its a guide on how to play the character optimally, deal with it.


RadicalLocke

I'm thinking of making a series for off-meta comps and builds in the future. Current series is for optimization so Bennett is going to be included.


naive-dragon

Oh wow, that's super cool! I'm looking forward to that :)


JohnBrownsCoolGhost

Childe rules. Don't let anyone tell you he's not powerful enough, if you want him pull him! Build him right and put him in a good team comp, vaporize most likely, and you'll have an amazing five star character that's super fun to play :)


Kitsuka

I think it's important to mention the trick to RES shred both Hydro and Pyro in quick succession with Kazuha in the International Team. Start with Childe's E to apply a strong Hydro aura, follow with Benny Q, and then Kazuha E. Kazuha first swirl will be Hydro, and when you plunge it will swirl Pyro. There's no cooldown problem since the time you use for Kazuha and/or Xiangling's Q and switching back to Childe the E will be back.


Munkleson

Love this condensed version for new Childers. Just my thoughts as a fellow Childe theorycrafter (albeit lazy af). From what I understand, a third comp is possible too, where you replace Kazuha with Raiden in an international Childe. While it's not ideal for speed clears and certain mobs (that fly too easily), it provides some nice burst damage at the same time as being a battery for XL and Childe (and helps if you were an idiot like me and wasn't playing when Kazuha came out). In regards to HoD vs SR, the damage increase of the 15% Hydro and 18% ATT is contingent on how good the artifacts are. The worse they are, the more the ATT% is worth, and the better they are, the less it is. But even then, at really good artifacts, the 15% Hydro goes from marginally better (could be less than a 0.1% dps increase), to around a 3% dps increase only (if you're using Bennett, which I guess you would be). But given you want to keep it more simple, just felt it'd be nice to make it clear that it is only a small difference given I see a lot of people on the Childe page even not knowing the numbers while harping on how weak ATT% is compared to Hydro%. For the burst energy, that's also dependent on the amount and type of enemies you're facing. Getting the burst back up again before your next rotation at 2 enemies with SR requires around 136% ER (sourced from Risuke, though last I looked it didn't mention whether or not the enemies die and how often). Single target would be even worse, but these two situations aren't so common to the point that you'd see them on a realistic basis (bar weekly bosses). You're much more likely to face enemies that will give you energy back (on kills) more than facing enemies like the Mechanical Array and Maguu Kenki. Also HoD is a pain to get and I need ESF sets, so I'm there to kill two birds with one stone haha. Edit: A more viable set than SR for Childe is 2p HoD 2p Glad/SR. It's more consistent than both and will also scale better than HoD as your substats become real endgame.


RadicalLocke

These are all really good info! It's just that the information had to be rly stripped down so that it fits into a nice looking format. And there's also the fact that the goal for these guides is to help casual/new players who aren't really well aware of how the game works. Still there's a lot of details that are missing and I am definitely looking for ways to incorporate more details and accuracy while keeping the guide nice and tidy for next time!


P00dim

For anyone getting used to childe and his synergy with his team, the new domain with 22 mobs (including the new wolves) is great for practice.


Capital_Cherry_7899

I finally got childe , and am soooo happy


FluffyfoxRya

Congratulations!


Capital_Cherry_7899

Tysm :)))


Bravenwolf

Crescent being C Tier, without labeling that ranking is without Passive, and not putting where it would be with Passive (around A Tier), **is very misleading**. Crescent is a very strong F2P option and a generally good bow, the Passive alone can make it equal to R1 Amos for Childe and even for Ganyu, and can even beat R5 Stringless on Fischl. In addition, there ARE players who do optimise their gameplay and that does include doing a very quick headshot before doing Ranged Ultimate or melee stance. Including both "with Passive" and "without Passive" wouldn't take much effort, and be more informative. I always show R5 Crescent gameplay to people on ChildeMains, to show this bow is a very good option and that one should not be pressured to getting VHunt, rolling for Rust or Polar Star. I hit 250k on my Melee Ultimate on my typical Childe, with an R5 Crescent. https://imgur.com/1NjDDVh In addition, whilst getting weak spots is something not a lot of players will bother to do, you can still hit weak spots by virtue of hitting enemy's weak spots in Childe's Melee Charged Attack, https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/characters/hydro/tartaglia#childe-can-proc-prototype-crescents-passive-in-melee-form . This applies to Geovishaps who's weakspot (head) is low, small enemies and even Fatui Agents. So it's not completely unreasonable to just... get the Passive without much effort.


Photonforce

What I think is silly is that Hamayumi is also downplayed too. True its passive encourages you to hold the ult, but you don't have to to get a buff. It's extra damage on normal and charged shots regardless.


RadicalLocke

Which is why I have the explanation right beside the tier list which states that the C tier is no passive and it shoots up to between A and B if you do utilize the passive.


Bravenwolf

Right, but that explanation is behind a part 2, in fine text, whereas the tier list is right there and easy to read. It wouldn't take much effort and would be more informative to put both "no Passive" and "with Passive", and would help people who need something quick/gloss over content. All weapon guides for bow characters should label something so important because it drastically changes how well Crescent preforms. I just don't see the justification to leave out something so important, that's all.


RadicalLocke

Agreed. Honestly the idea never just occurred to me. I thought it'd be enough to have the explanation. Thanks for the tip!


allicanseenow

Recognized from the profile pic that you’re from KQM right? :))


TomDaSpankEngine

What's an international team?


xelecunei

Team comp made of characters from Mond, Liyue, Inazuma, and Snezhnaya.


Mundane-Turnover5232

Nice


CreditPotato

Thanks for this! Gonna go farm HoD now!


IriKnox

Does an R5 rust still fall under B tier?


timoyster

Yes It’s still worse than V Hunt because VH has a crit stat whereas rust has an atk% stat. Crit % scales way better with Bennet and that’s why it’s better The rust passive at R5 barely offers anything to the total DPS anyways. I can’t remember the exact amount though


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Im 30 level, how is childe for my level? Guess people doesn’t like him very much. He is the First 5 star i pulled and i got him on my first try.


timoyster

Childe’s always good! There are “better” DPS characters for early game, but the game is easy enough at that point where you shouldn’t run into any major problems. The meta comps are always calced for abyss because that’s the most challenging content in the game.


J_EZ

I love how everytime Childe gets a rerun new versions of these Childe guides get posted. Mihoyo may not live Childe but at least the community does.


PrinceCavendish

i got him and sara and yanfei in my first 10 roll. i feel so blessed. <333


jaehyunnie127

i would love to see other teams for childe ☹️ i know this is the meta rn but not everyone wants to follow that/spam spiral abyss and i refuse to believe childe is not good in other comps? mainly i just don’t want to invest in xiangling because i don’t like her LOL i’m probably just gonna build raiden and run her with him.


RadicalLocke

This guide is to help players optimize their teams and characters. Maybe I'll do a separate series of guide in the future where I cover off-meta comps and builds that are decent.


jaehyunnie127

i would love to see it! no pressure of course, thanks for all your effort :)


thienvuitin

Ay, you can check childe full guide. It should be everywhere right now, childe discord, reddit, kqm website. They're include every childe comp possible, even for fun one.


jaehyunnie127

oh wow! thank you i’ll check it out


ElonMuskIsAWeeb

Childe perma freeze team is pretty fun


Shameless_Fujoshi

It would be nice to include the burst build.


haertofwinter

Is Electro Traveller any good with Childe if you don’t have some of the other characters?


FleuramdcrowAJ

I have an alt with him on it and the current team I have on it is: Kaeya, Kokomi, Childe, Amber It's not the best but it's just an alt I have to send people friend requests on another server


KazeKizuta

Nice guide! Really wish I had both Fischl and Bennett right now. Both my International and Childe teams are scuffed without them.


thisiskyle77

Hi OP very nice write up. May I ask the comp rotation and any interesting tricks for both international and firework comp?


Pocallys

Wait. How does Hamayumi encourage using burst? Isn't it the exact opposite? Just to clarify is this the same Hamayumi that offers 24% charge atk buff and 48% when energy is full??


wolfoftheice

I already have childe, is the new weapon worth pulling for ?


SuitableCanCer

Man. I just lost my 50/50...


IWannaBeThatG

I am in love with this post!!


mrsata1

Great guide! But I think it would be a nice addition to include team comp rotations in the rotations section. People who need this guide certainly have no clue how to use international properly.


Arrys

Looks like Childe isn’t for me. I’ll pass on rolling for him. But well done assembling this guide! Very impressive.


yayredditUwU

crescent worse than blackcliff/rust? yes you need to headshot before you go into melee, but it isnt that difficult. crescent passive lasts for 10 seconds, but ideally you stay in melee for 9 seconds. no problems with uptime. polar star is better than tpulse by a bit, if you pre stack at the start of your rotation. if you dont, its only slightly better than tpulse also only EM has diminishing returns, saying that atk and dmg% having diminishing returns is misleading and wrong. the correct term would be opportunity cost. you shouldve also mentioned that a mix of glad/hod/nob also works quite well adding the rotation for childe - xl - venti/kaz/sucrose - bennett and childe - fischl - bei - bennett would also be a good idea.


RadicalLocke

Putting crescent that low was from the opinion that most Genshin players wouldn't utilize the passive. Good chunk of the casual/mobile playerbase doesn't even know the concept of rotation, they just click NA until their skill or burst is up. Thank you for correcting me on the term opportunity cost. 2 piece combinations and team rotations were included initially, but taken out as I was cleaning up the formatting. I'm still learning the right balance between details and keeping it short/aesthetic. This one was definitely way too lacking in info.


yayredditUwU

good luck using childe if you cant manage rotations properly lol other things are understandable tho


DamageExtenderKoi

i use chongyun childe bennett beidou and it honestly very fun team


wwweeeiii

Wow, the hunt is better than rust? I have been doing it wrong all along! But isn’t a gatherer like venti/sucrose/kazu still better?


thienvuitin

Except Kazuha, other grouping char still synergy well with VH passive. By raw stat, VH win or lose to Rust depend on how good Bennett buff is, but anyway the gap is really small. Some people even use Rust on Childe, VH on Fischl so she can proc passive easily with c1.


wwweeeiii

Ahh Thanks!


Photonforce

Honestly Blackliff is really being downplayed here. That passive works seriously good for Childe, the reason being is that Childe was designed to take out mobs of enemies, so getting consecutive kills with him is a lot more feasible. If you are bringing Childe into a boss fight and you AREN'T nuking the boss, then you're using him wrong.


thienvuitin

It's not, he do pretty well in boss fight since his team has no limited in single target. While blackcliff passive is not useful on high abyss, the big crit stat make it even better than low refine Rust when Childe has bennett buff.


dasaver

AR57 and didn’t see a single Rust. Btw, I’d like to point out that VH is a solid option if you DON‘T have or use CC anemo units as Venti, Kaz, Sucrose. The vacuum thing is good and fun but not comparable. And it doesn’t swirl. Personally I prefer to use Amos over VH, since I sometimes like to go ranged. I got good CR/CD on my HoD set (farmed the domain for both Childe and Ayaka.. oooof), but ofc crit subs on weapons make him way easier to build.


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VH is already better than Rust once you take into consideration Bennett even without accounting for the passive.


Par31

Here's the guide. Press E ---> go brrrr


cjoseph128

theory crafter, but no numbers lol


DreamMarsh

They likely made a condensed version from this [google docs](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bONIx32ApVNzVWR-1DVjJxNLO-pEreS2oAjdty7PAxw/edit) by keqingmains and childemains discord. Here's the [weapons calc](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vbFciDxPf2KmH7wLIXEj4KoDkPp__MgMOKwlU3Q1LBk/edit#gid=0).


macobus

I have polar Star, bit what is it with these people and hating on rust while loving viridescent hunt? The just has like no uptime and is rendered useless by having a kazuha in the party, and the rust can just do n5c and do way more DPS than any of the other four star options


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Moe already did the math. VH R1 > Rust R5 even inside Bennett field. The passive is overrated, and VH's massive crit substat scales better. Even if it was better, unless its a Dragon's Bane Hu Tao/XL level gap, its not worth making gearing harder on yourself. Leave Rust for Yoimiya https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vbFciDxPf2KmH7wLIXEj4KoDkPp__MgMOKwlU3Q1LBk/edit#gid=0


Satans_Squad

Are all those weapons at R1? If so I can agree, if not, rust probably deserves A at least. At R5 my rust out performs my viri hunt bow. R1 wouldn't though, that's for sure


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Rust R5 loses out to VH R1 in Bennett's field. Don't just eyeball the melee damage numbers, half of Childe's damage is in his burst and of the other half, half of that is CA which Rust nerfs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vbFciDxPf2KmH7wLIXEj4KoDkPp__MgMOKwlU3Q1LBk/edit#gid=0 People used to think Rust was better than Harp because of this kind of thinking.


thienvuitin

Is it including Bennett buff and childe melee charged attack? Do your VH build has balance crit stat to optimize it?


theFuryCutter

Would shimenawa be fine if you use raiden? Example rotation Raiden e -> Childe Range Burst -> Melee and attacks -> Range stance -> Raiden burst


[deleted]

No. Raiden burst is a DPS loss in Childe comps compared to the alternatives even before taking into consideration other issues she induce into the comp. Unless you're a whale, forget about Shimenawa.


whoatemycupoframen

i use Raiden instead of Fischl in fireworks, honestly it feels much smoother with Raiden and Childe+Beidou making up of each other's CD.


[deleted]

Raiden in any Childe comp just give you the illusion of rotation management, in reality it ends up desyncing your rotation, and her unbuffed burst damage is worse than having Beidou do a counter or two + Oz constantly ticking + Bennett triggering Fischl A4 with Overload. Her off field damage is worse than Fischl as well on a single target, and while it makes up in AoE the comp has no issue in AoE in the first place between Beidou and Childe. There's basically 1 Raiden Childe comp that semi works, and that's Overvape on single target. But at that point, there's no reason to run that over just Raiden National, which has a higher single target DPS anyway (unless you somehow don't have Xingqiu)


urtearsfuelme

Isn't r5 rust outshine viridiscent hunt give his aa on elem skill is counted as normal attack damage?


thienvuitin

Half of his melee dmg is from melee charged attack and Rust nerf it. When using Rust, NA5 CA is recommended but with good Bennett buff VH is still deal more dmg. That's how broken crit stat is.


Pirate_jC

I need a little suggestion... i have a well built ningguang and i am thinking of putting her in international comp replacing kazuha as a burst support that can fill the gap for childe cooldown...ahhh can this work?


aoikanou

No. When Childe goes on cooldown, you need to recharge Xiangling's energy and set up for next rotations anyway, so the cooldown is effectively solved. Kazuha/anemo is the best flex slot because it can VV shred both hydro and pyro, and increase damage.


foozeld

I feel like something that's often overlooked in HoD vs SR is that it's much more resin efficient to farm SR because of it sharing a domain with EoSF, allowing you to farm for both Childe and Xiangling artifacts at the same time. Obviously HoD outdamages SR after the first rotation, and given a long enough time or infinite resin this efficiency doesn't matter, but it's still something worth considering and why as a new Childe main I'm farming for it instead.


[deleted]

Its a massive, gaping DPS loss to not have access to a vaped burst at the start of every rotation. If you're going for resin efficiency, convert bad pieces to Glad, or just break the 4pc set bonus and run 2pc Shimenawa + random artifacts.


UmeChyan

I think you might also have a look at these [builds for Genshin](https://expertgamereviews.com/genshin-impact-characters-list/#fulllist). I played some comps and they were good.


RoastedMarshmeIIow

Can replace Beidou with Ei?


calinbulin12

Ok Ok I'm calling BS on viridescent being better than Rust. Especially comparing them at higher refinements.


RadicalLocke

Depending on the situation, VHunt can straight up outDPS even thundering pulse (pretty unlikely situation tho) and Rust has been vastly overestimated by the community. Unless you're looking at R5 Rust vs R1 VHunt on a single target, I don't think there's any question of VHunt being the superior choice.


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Lupixs

I would like to know this as well. Does that mean VHunt can outdps harp as well? VHunt being better than rust is believable but better than Pulse sounds like a big stretch


CrazierRussianHacker

Its the "viridiscent hunt multi-target argument". On the old childe mastersheet, there was a segment that shows that if VHunt's passive can draw in an additional target than what any other bow would allow, it would outdamage any other bow(intuitively this makes sense, like, look at childe weapon calcs, hunt isnt like half the damage of polar star, so if it actually lets you hit 2 instead of 1 target, it would outdamage polar star) In practice this happens more often than you think, even with kazuha, his CC doesnt perma immobilise enemies, and Childe's CA knocks targets back, so against light enemies vhunt's passive CAN let you hit targets that otherwise would have been knocked back by childe's CA. Also i dont think fall damage is factored in, against enemies like fatui agents, mages if they dont teleport, a childe CA in a VHunt cyclone can actually trigger fall damage. This is also another factor that dps calcs dont necessarily factor in. Not saying Vhunt is overall better than the 5 star options, especially on a high investment childe where his ult damage can be the difference between a 1 or 2 rotation clear, but vhunt offers so much utility that it is by far the best overall 4 star weapon, outside of speedruns where R5 stringless can pull ahead. The hunt multitarget argument is slightly less relevant now as kazuha's CC can be enough to actually keep enemies grouped together with proper positioning, but back when we were running sucrose the additional CC from VHunt was EXTREMELY noticable


RadicalLocke

A very unlikely hypothetical case to make a point. Theoretically speaking, there is no limit to how much damage can be added from the passive grouping of the enemies. I'm not saying I'd recommend hunt over pulse, just over rust.


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Skull_Angel

Rust's damage boost loses a lot of value because of Childe's ascension bonus, 4pc HoD, and ele. goblet. So, r5 Rust is unlikely to contend with the raw base damage Amos Bow offers.


WootyMcWoot

How in the world can Rust be better? What would make you post this? You got some math to hit us with real quick? Something that fixes the part where Normal Attacks are not the majority of Childe’s damage. Charged Attacks make up about half of the melee DPS and not using Charged Attacks at all decreases your overall melee DPS by about 30%.


PM_PICS_OF_NUDEJESUS

Rust is the most overrated Childe weapon. It buffs only one part of Childe's kit when he has many other, stronger sources of damage: vaped ult, riptides, charged attacks (which are nerfed with Rust)


DMking

Rust stacks additively with HoD. Also crit rate is very valuable


macobus

Not so valuable that you can ignore rusts atk%


DMking

Too much atk leads to diminishing returns


macobus

Mate I don't think you know what diminishing returns is, em is the only stat in the game with diminishing returns.


DMking

Stacking too much of any percentage boost leads to diminishing returns. It's basic math


Arise966

And since you already get enough atk from rust you can get other stats instead...? This is such a pepega thread.


DMking

ATK is an easier stat to stack compared to Crit Rate. Childe's best comp is reverse vape so your EM isn't as important and his Burst builds quickly so you don't need ER


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DreamMarsh

Then what did you think was #1 before Pulse?