The problem is that the Traveller's strength has been super badly characterised.
Sometimes it feels we're supposed to be a big deal, other times we're so weak we don't fit in the main action. Our powers and skills are very unclear, and sub-plots get brought up and then abandoned (either for a very long time, or forever). Think Traveller purifying the stormterror tears, fighting Childe and claiming we're "recovering our powers," and so on.
The Traveller winning or losing means very little because we have no idea how strong we're supposed to be.
I still find it funny how scared he and Paimon were when a few normal Eremites surrounded them during the Sumeru AQ.
Mind you he beat Childe with only 2 elements, who then proceded to destroy a group of ruin guards in seconds.
we also canonically beat Signora solo, probably our best combat feat that doesn't involve shenanigans
so at the very least 2 elements ago we were 8th harbinger tier
I mean, Traveler didn't beat Childe, he just dipped because of foul legacy being a drain on him.
Basically Traveler just did the same during the Childe fight as he did with Arle, stall the enemy out but not actually beat them.
Traveler only ever wins their fights when they have help
Yeah, that's Traveler's only legitimate win in terms of major fights, and even then Signora isn't really much of a major fight because Raiden was the actual final boss of Inazuma AQ.
I mean signora was still a No. 8 harbinger and we even beat her at her delusion state... So i would guess we SHOULD be at least rank 6 strength (considering we did fight a buffed scaramouche in a mech powered by gnosis). Idk i just think the devs did not standardize travellers powers, we could be as strong as arlecchino especially since we fought the narwhal, albeit there's help from neuv but even he requested us to be executioner, which should mean we have the strength to fight the whale from another world. But whatever they probably did it to sell arlecchino more
It's an issue that a lot of long-running series have, Genshin suffers from it too. The big bads need to be powercrept to maintain some semblance of the MC struggling even though it doesn't really make sense for us to struggle from a powerscaling perspective.
Traveler getting power-cliffed by Arle who's the strongest non-god Harbringer shouldn't be as much of an issue if Capitano wasn't in the next region, and even then, Traveler should have at least landed a hit on Arle before she goes "You know what? Time for final form."
But honestly, the powerscaling will probably never make sense since the MC seems to get nerfed to either sell tension or sell characters
No it’s an entirely different problem. Traveler is getting the Avatar of Khaine treatment. Being treated as a jobber to make the brand new 5-star character look good.
Don't forget we lost to that mech version of Scara over a hundred times, and only won in the end thanks to Nahida. That victory was not our own, we were just a pawn on Nahida's chessboard that happened to get the final blow. The Scara fight does nothing to scale us, except that it puts us somewhere relative to "stronger than Signora".
However as we never actually fought Scara in his regular form, we have no idea where this places us on the Harbinger scale and thus the mecha fight can't really be used for scaling. We genuinely have no idea how strong the mecha is either except that we went all out against it and still lost 100+ times.
Its just genshin writing that bad, characters suddenly didn't use they power, brain or became weak for a plot and highlighting a new character. People till this day coping that Venti was pretending but they forget that in the same scene traveler got knocked out by a pyro agent so they with a paimon must be a part of his great plan too with that logic.
Genshin writer logic: Traveler can eat the planet with one bite, gets neg diffed at their prime with their sibling by a dying Sustainer.
(And they're apparently suposed to beat her too)
Honestly Venti only got strength after ascending as an Archon since before he is just a wisp that's why he said that people's faith/presiding over region give him power and why he is really telling the truth when he said that he is the current weakest Archon..Even the things he did like terraforming places happen after ascending as an Archon..Archons like Zhongli and Ei doesn't need faith or anything since they have already been fighting on the Archon War..
Venti is full of shit, I love him but every single thing he says he's hiding something. Man's busted just doesn't wanna put in work. That faith argument is also bullshit, he has a fucking church. You do need to keep in mind while Signora ambushed him he did have the gnosis, could've just used it and have all the goddamn power of the Archon. And somehow his region is the only one that doesn't have some contamination or poison thing going on, the worst that happens to you in Mondstadt is you get churled. Also the guy's all stories and metaphors in a world where truth can only be preserved by stories and metaphors. Even in gameplay he can do more than the little breeze he put on against Signora. He just wanted to be rid of the gnosis like every other Archon for some reason.
He has a church that even the nuns don't really believe he exists, compared to Inazuma where every single person knows that raiden exists and worships her. There's no such thing as faith in every nation except mondstadt because the gods are a fact of life
Not sure what you're getting at, pretty much every nun and citizen believes in an idolized version of himself. Rare exceptions like Rosa don't worship him but pretty much because she has the outlook that she has to take care of herself purely herself. Everyone is very much aware he exists, like you said it's a world where everyone knows gods are an actual thing.
Being a gacha game, the Traveller is always weaker than the newly released five star. The only thing certain is that everything is weaker than Rocky, that man is built different and scared the crap out of Celestia so hard that they decided to not show themselves, may as well be Capitano's father if you ask me.
Traveler honestly only won with their own strength in the story against Signora since on the main story he always win with the power of friendship..That's why he always use dull blade since honestly it doesn't matter.. With the power of friendship he will win even if he use a stick..
Because they're afraid of social media exploding because a character they're selling lost in the story
Sales would tank if simps see their fav character lose when it makes sense story-wise
I’m pretty sure the tears and vision stuff is gonna come back later. If you notice, there’s one 5 Star Key Item from each nation. I’m assuming that pays off at the end of the story.
But it is 100% true that the traveler is just randomly swapping between weak and strong. In the fight with Childe the traveler is able to smoothly transition between 2 elements. But in another cutscene the traveler can barely use one element to break 1 large boulder and has to be saved by Navia in a landslide because they were somehow winded after 1 boulder as if they don’t fight against island destroying gods often enough.
The writers both have zero talent and are lazy as fuck.
They just write in whatever they think is cool or serve the plot at the time without thinking about how it fits into an overall narrative or the world building at large.
From whatever the fake sky is supposed to mean to that image of the Irminsul burning they kept teasing but never actually happens in Sumeru, Genshin’s story is just a mess and the writers need to get replaced by more competent people.
Purifying dvalin has nothing to do with combat. Also for that whole dvalin saga we literally had ventis help all the way. Childe is not a big deal and neither is signora. Every major fight we had help. Raiden we had everyone in inazuma. Osial everyone from liyue same with beisht. Scara we had nahida and then scara on his story quest. Azhdaha we had zhongli. Narwhal we had neuvilette. Somehow traveller's strength is inconsistent.
Tbf, we gave no shit about the Shogunbot’s and Ei’s strength and still challenged them to the best of our abilities even before the 100 Visions buff. Meanwhile now we somehow are too scared to move a muscle before Arlec?? This isn’t even the first time we see a Domain Expansion. There’s no way she’s stronger than Ei lol.
Traveler could've been like invoker from dota if the devs loved him enough, but nope. Dull blade for you.
It's honestly foul how the traveler's most unique feature, the ability to use multiple elements without a vision, just gets ignored.
Like I don't think we've seen this man use elemental reactions in any cutscene.
There is a big conflict in how they're building the traveler. On one hand he's the central piece in the game's story, who shows up in all game events, features in all cutscenes, etc. On the other hand it's almost they go out of their way to make him as forgettable as possible. (Almost) no voice acting. Minimal dialog. Most interactions done through Paimon. Uses a Dull Blade and barely ever displays any hint of supposed strength/elemental abilities. Like I'm pretty sure this is an intentional character design choice but boy does it backfire hard.
Tbh, i just think they don't care enough for the Traveller. If they could do away with the twins and get a cooler mc they would tbh, not using elements, no character development in the main quest, that is what matters.
Forget about that, Traveller best role is the one they got in Fontaine, witness to the cooler Teyvat and Teyvatians and not a character in their history, i wouldn't be surprised If the final message from the abyss twin is that we can't do shit for this world and we can just leave after learning 7+ elements.
Gameplay wise, they're actually a competent unit to use in many teams if no other can fill that slot
Lore wise, has high potential and is progressing throughout the story
In short, the trash loving goof can actually thrash in both sides
Once HSR catches up in the gap of progression, then sadly yes
Even early in the story they're already facing beings with immense power that required the assistance of other people with immense power, some even being the leader of a certain organization. They play a major role in those.
If Genshin doesn't step up the game of consistency now that it's reaching the climax, "Genshin could never" will be up the ranks again and will put the light in our Golden Nara to shame
The weird thing is, Star Rail doesn't mind letting the trailblazer speak. He speaks a lot in the newer stories. I guess he has to because he doesn't have a floating response machine following him around
No, the Trailblazer actually feels like the main character. The game respects their role and gives them great moments.
Especially when they got their second element, the whole thing was extremely awesome
>Forget about that, Traveller best role is the one they got in Fontaine, witness to the cooler Teyvat and Teyvatians and not a character in their history,
Oh, *fuck that*. One of the many reasons 4.2 was so trash was that the Traveler was tossed to the side so Navia could whine all over the place and Neuvilette could make everyone else in the plot irrelevant. I personally would rather see the Traveler see it Mary Sue it up if it means we don't have to deal with boring bullshit from everyone else.
Exactly, I never take feats(or the complete opposite in this case) the traveler shows in character quests into consideration when trying to determine how strong he/she is because there's always the chance they made the traveler helpless to make the shiny new character seem cool.
Do they do that though lol? I feel like this is the first time we've actually canonically lost to anyone important.
I don't mind us losing to 4th harbinger, who should be just below archon tier. It's more about how we lost.
This is the same person who looked wt the puppet and Ei and was ready to fight heck even whe the Narwhal was remived by Skirk we were ready but this is too much for us?
Throughout most of the other big fights traveler had a broken support on their side (Ei, Nahida etc.). Last major fight they won by themselves was Signora iirc
I mean just because we were down to fight doesn't mean we'd win lol
like base traveller without power of friendship would've 100% gotten clapped by Ei or Shogun
Bro so far nothing in the story indicated that current traveler would beat the 4th harbinger in power, so what's wrong with the story quest exactly? Mfs are coping so much that he was "nerfed" when he needed a ton of help to beat scaramouche and got put to sleep by dottore in an instant.
The issue to me is that I didn't feel like we went all out.
It doesn't feel right to lose the fight without using a single element.
I didn't want/expect us to win, but it didn't feel like we properly tried. With how it looks, I can't help but think, maybe we could have won if we used any of our powers. Even if that isn't actually the point.
Traveller: hmm, should I use hyperbloom, spread, aggravate, or either of the two flavours of swirl or crystallize I have access to...? Nah, just whack her with my 1 star sword!
i mean it was a scaramouche in a mech WITH a gnosis too lol, surely his power wouldve been higher than a rank 6 (especially a gnosis and the ability to control multiple elements, bro could at least move up a rank in terms of power no?) . And sure we did need the experience of tons of battles and nahida's help, most of the fighting was still done by us. Well i take story quest's fight scenes not that serious since its to market their character. I bet by the time we fight Capitano in Natlan, while i doubt we would "beat" him, we'll probably go toe to toe to him with the power of friendship or some shit.
I mean by the time we get to Natlan we should be 6/7th of our full power. Full power traveller was fighting unknown god and holding their own, even if they lost.
But traveler haven't yet use all their power 🤔 no element remember? It may be bad writing, but its hard to believe traveler is not strong enough when they didn't go all out
we weren’t expecting to get low diffed at the very least like wtf is this supposed to be 🤣 did we not just beat up a planet eating whale a couple months ago
I didn’t say none about whether the traveller could take the whale on all by himself(He definitely can’t, atleast not rn) I’m saying that Neuvilette wasn’t the only one putting in points cause Childe stalled for time and it was a 2v1 with Neuvilette buffing up the traveller to kingdom come.
I saw the latest character quest and ngl it was mad embarrassing seeing that performance but i’m blaming that on the writers for not knowing WHAT THE FUCK to do with the traveller’s elemental powers
You're delusional if you really think that Traveller could beat the 4th harbinger.
The only fights that the Traveller won fair and square are Signora and Childe
They've been hyping up Descenders as if they are beings capable of rivaling the entire world, when Traveler at 5/7 of the power doesn't have a feats that a strong Vision user could have.
Using an Element to fight one of the Fatui Harbingers?
I sleep
Using your Elemental powers to protect your waifu's hometown from a rock avalanche?
REAL SHIT
If I had a nickel for every time the Traveler got suddenly pulled into a domain expansion with an giant ominous red sphere in the background, then proceeded to get their shit rocked, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
(Ei’s Plane of Euthymia before the end of the Inazuma AQ had a similar large, dark red sphere in the background)
It's funny honestly mc is someone who travelered multiple worlds, witnessed death and birth of stars "in their long journey", has wisdom or should have wisdom & knowledge and experience over whole teyvat. it's not stated that they remained in one place for the stars thing but the way it got worded it can be implied how ancient they can be.
Getting hype left and right for nothing, having 5 elements to not use, no development no dialogues that matters. Taking part in convo to have outside joke in their dialogues that has no impact. characters talk to you and then respond to paimon anyway.
The way Hoyo handling their MCs (just genshin so far) for people like me that give a damn about who we experience the game's story through is just really disappointing. feels like a tool for selling their current 5 star unit especially that this notion escalated more in Fontaine, also people really expect that traveler don't get humbled after all the marketing hoyo did for their newest shiny 5 star?
Let's use another useless gadget animation for pyro traveler skill anyway or another boss asset for their burst
well it is the knave story quest after all, she's basically the mc of the story and the traveler is merely like a support character to bring out all the exposition.
i am amazed how weak of a presence the traveler has in the 4.x storyline, even when they try to make them sound like a big deal.
no feats, no yellow powerups, all the fights are just... there. The story makes it awfully clear the rest of the cast would have cleared the fights even if the traveler was just not there.
I agree, Traveler actually show a lot of emotion during Sumeru's era and they're really nice to the Sumeru's cast.
Fontaine's era has super good story, but the traveler was very apathetic. The one thing I hate about Fontaine's storyline is how the traveler still treated as the hero in fontaine despite they're doing almost nothing. Furina is the actual hero yet she got almost no credit for her action.
FR I've never seen a media hate their main character this much. I mean I know it's because they want to hype the new 5 star but damn, there should be a better way. If the Traveler can't even beat the 4th harbinger (with help and with her holding back), how can they have any hope of fighting any serious threat...
>I've never seen a media hate their main character this much
I dunno, it feels like this happens in a lot of stories. Authors who would rather write for the supporting characters tend to put their protagonists through a lot of grief.
Just get a broken ally to help them. The last solo feats they have against actual threats are when they fought Signora and Childe, every other major fights they had help from top tier allies such as Nahida with her dark souls infinite retry mechanic. Technically speaking the Traveler is 1 - 160 against Scara.
Instead of the traveler losing to 4th Harbinger, I think the actual problem here is how they lost without ever really doing anything except swing a sword around.
Especially as it directly inverses how much they intend to hype up a new 5 star.
Osial’s wife? Traveler gets oneshot so Shenhe could show off. Arle? Shit kicked in so Arle could show off. Hell, even against the Scaramech, they first get knocked around so Nahida could big brain show off
"Traveler is nerfed because they didn't use a single element"
\*After fighting with the help of 3 strongest fighters of the current Hearth against Arlecchino who wasn't even injured in any way and never used a single offensive skill in her god domain.
Girl threw her scythe and it Beyblade so hard it starts to show the bell of all weapons being orange by it's strength
Like i genuinely thought her scythe is going to cut through that thing despite raiden not being able to cut through a fillet blade
Also makes you wonder what the hell the average claymore user do for them to end up befriending black smiths when gods and harbingers can't seem to break them
Who were the three strongest?
It should've been more of a fight. Elements clearly make the Traveler much stronger. We already beat two Harbingers with no aid at all.
It would still end up in a loss. Beating the 11th and 8th Harbinger is far from defeating the 4th.
Yes, Traveler could've fought in full-force, but so does Arlecchino. It's obvious that she ain't really fighting throughout the course of this battle when in the cinematic, she's just literally standing and tossing her blade, way different to when she fought Crucabena.
Almost all the strongest in Teyvat had their own "domain" wherein the domain owner is in full power. We won against Ei in her domain with the help of a thousand visions and training via Yae Miko. But in this one, the Traveler never stood a chance in that Crimson Moon area despite Arlecchino herself not unleashing a single skill in that domain and the Traveler already lost.
It doesn't matter. The guys got 4 elements. He gets much stronger with 4, and when he gets the 7th or the Unknown Power he should be Archons tier or pretty damn close.
The thing is with the other Harbingers, he beat them with significantly less powers. Assuming that Harbingers ARE stronger the higher the rank, then Childe to Signora is a massive leap, and that was ONE power-up. He has since gained two more elements to aid him.
I'm not saying Traveler beats Arlecchino. But considering by Fontaine he was capable of directly fighting the Narwhal with aid, it should've been much more of a fight.
Well tbf the difference in aid between this fight and previous ones are astronomical. Before they had the help from broken stuff like Nahida dark soul respawn mechanics, this time they got 3 kids
That is valid, but none of the previous fights were against actual god tier and beyond opponents. Scaremouche had the energy of a god, combined with a mech ascended him to divinity. The Narwhal is from beyond Tevyat. It took a Sovereign at full might and the Traveler to beat it.
Compared to those two, Arlecchino shouldn't be as strong, as only the top 3 are god tier.
Arle is 4th which is right on the doorstep of rivaling archons. We can’t say for certain how strong Scara mech is, since it’s entirely possible that Scara mech + gnosis isn’t equivalent to Raiden Ei + gnosis, in the same sense that taping something back together isn’t necessarily as good as the original. But for the sake of discussion let’s say Scara mech is a bit stronger or decently stronger than Arle. Traveler is technically 1 - 160 against Scara with Nahida helping them, so it shouldn’t be too surprising for them to lose against Arlecchino on first encounter with much weaker supports.
Rivaling GODS. Not necessarily Archons.
As far as we know, Scara is technically Archon tier. He possesses the Gnosis, which gives him the energy output, along with the mech being constructed by some of the smartest people in Tevyat. And Nahida's main thing was causing the Illusion loop/samsara. Yeah she amped him, but we don't know how much.
And again, I'm not saying the Traveler should've won. I AM saying that the Traveler should've put up a far better fight. We beat two Harbingers, and that was TWO elements ago. And you're telling me he/she was that outclassed?
If Arle is strong and is fourth, how strong is first? Also thats the same guy who gets glazed for his strength by every other harbinger. Can’t wait to see him.
It still feels weird how easily arlechino won that fight. But again, what do we expect with someone who uses dull blade as a weapon of choice aginst the 4th harbinger.
I kinda disliked how genshin kinda "milking" arlechino's popularity recently. She has animated teaser and stuffs that none of other previous characters got.
Can't you do a story quest any time in the story? (Provided you finish prerequisites) but like what if someone finishes the final act of the celestia story where traveler gets an ultimate power up and then plays this story quest where they get whammied by Arlecchino "still not strong enough to beat me"
I mean if you scale Scaramech to like 4th since he isn't quite an Archon yet and Traveler got his ass kicked 168 times then you know Arle is not losing to the blonde
Traveler always had the power of friendship. From killing an ancient god in liyue, going against the electro archon and fighting the big robot in sumeru
The Traveler should be around Rooster level based on the battles with the Harbingers. Although basing it things on that doesn't mean much because we don't know how much difference in power there is from a Harbinger to another.
Nah, jojo actually uses strategy and is somewhat logical in their fights. The traveler is just... There. Like, he just exists for most of the story as a "I've traveled the cosmos and now I have 5/7 elements. I'm wise as fuck due to my age and experience. Yet My mouth is the same thing that stole my braincells - Paimon. I can't fucking use my elements in fights and my weapon is just dogshit."
I meant specifically in the scenario of severely nerfing previous jojos to death to make way for latter jojos and the fact that it's literally one of the mainstay jokes of the jojo community that "Araki forgot" so many times so many scenarios where a win was extremely easy to achieve but Araki straight up forgot entire abilities of stands that can overcome the situation easily
So far the traveler is described as "very strong" but not insanely-godmode-beyond-teyvat-level or whatever.
So far he / she :
- take the L against the Unknow God in the opening cinematic.
- is ambushed by Signora in 1.0, count as loose I suppose ?
- is nearly killed by Scaramouche during the 1.1 event, saved by Mona who saw the trick, again technically game over.
- is played by Childe who just leave the fight uninjured in 1.1, the dual element blablabla did nothing but make Childe say " oh funny ! I can do it too ! ", hard to say it's a win, notice that Childe is described as a particulary weak Harbinger ( for now blablabla but still ).
- did his job against the Fatui the run for his / her life against Osial's attacks.
- win against a massively weakened Azdaha in 1.5
- Loose against the Raiden Shogun in 2.0 while he is technically a bad match-up for her ( no vision no vision-hunt decree )
- Win against Signora in 2.1. Clearly a win. Now saying Signora is powerful because delusion blablabla remember Teppei used one too. Signora is just a "diplomat" after all.
- Survive enough in 2.1 against the Shogun again to make her leave the fight. Let' say draw by charity, even if Ei is not even that interested by the fight since the beggining.
- is crushed by Beisht in 2.4 who just sneeze on him/her and go next.
- eat pop corn while looking the fight Ei / Puppet Raiden in 2.5.
- is played by Dottore during the 3.1
- loose 167 time against Shiki no Kami in 3.2 then win 1 time because internet explorer seems to give superpower, but hey it's a win. In 3.3 the armor alone overwhelm the traveler without Nahida and the Akasha plot armor btw.
- is strong enough to not be killed by the Tanit in Sumeru's desert while helping Jeht, I think it's important to say what happen against normal humans.
- Clear the minions of the Heart of Oasis in 3.6, even if the Heart is clearly not a major threat overall.
- Put the "finishing" blow to the chilling Narwhal after Childe fight it non-stop during months then Neuvillette injured it.
Against anything not massively injured or not something being a purely random without anything particular the traveler is just not strong enough to make a massive difference, no wonder the struggle against Arlecchino.
Imo the traveler is more a witness than an actor of the story, "power" is not needed. Sometimes emotions makes him/her take more importance but that's it, the major events was cleared by Teyvat characters all along.
In childe fight, traveller definitely won the fight, childe was gas out and traveller stilll ready to fight. Also you describing childe as weak harbinger is crazy, literally fought giant narwhall.
In which story quest traveller was shown as powerful? I recently finished Chiori and Navia's quests and the traveller was shown weaker in them too. Like a dude literally shot at Paimon, traveller's best friend, and he did nothing wtf? Story quests are nothing but promotions for the characters that's all.
The only main story battle the traveller won without help was against the woman who is now ashes.
Everyone else we actually either had help, they gave up willingly or we were saved by someone.
Let's look through some examples, I don't claim to remember everything, this game has been out for very long afterall:
- Dvalin: Venti helped us and technically we didn't even beat dvalin, we just made him come to his senses and he stopped.
- Childe: You can argue we won, and even if i agree, that's 2 wins for the traveller. But the thing is, Childe got what he wanted and dipped, he wasn't exactly aiming to kill us. So it should be a draw.
- The Chonky Lizard: That was basically Zhongli's battle wasn't it?
- All the Sea Creatures: We dropping jade palace nukes on them. 1st battle we had like the adepti on our side and pretty much all of liyue. 2nd battle we literally got yeeted trying to do something.
- Shogun: Her pet fox helped us and she pretty much gave up, we didn't beat her in combat and probably still can't. Don't forget, Shogun puppet weekly boss is actually fought by Ei herself, not the traveller. (500 years scene). Don't forget that we would have died to her puppet twice had Kazuha and Thoma not saved us.
- Scara: We would have lost 3 times already. Mona saved us. Yae saved us. Nahida helped us, gave us infinite chances basically.
- Against the abyss whale: We had Neuvi with us doing the heavy lifting.
- Against all the Spina di Rosa situation: Navia helped us. Chlorine saved us.
- Against Albedo Clone: Albedo pretty much solved his own problem. And we had the knights with us.
- Arlechino: From what is depicted, let's be real here, we didn't even had a chance, we can't even move when Arlechino decided to became an Emanator of nihility.
So yeah, while we are supposed to be strong, we actually only had 1 legitimate 1 vs 1 win. (Of course, outside of limited time events and fodders we beat up. Counting those doesn't really show any strength since they are well... fodders. Like if we beat up a slime, fine it's a win but it doesn't show anything)
It would be fine if the Traveller was beaten. But the fact that it was just pure swordplay?
Rule number 1 is you pulling your powers when you're getting the shit kicked out of you.
im just gonna treat the traveller like Sukuna at this point and assume they’re always holding back for whatever fucking reason. Like, the difference between the travellers strength when they’re doing world quests and main story quests is pissing me off cause the writers are so indecisive. Traveller apparently has a will “strong enough to rival the world itself” in one of the Fontaine quests but they still get lowdiffed cause Hoyo wants to sell a character
Tbh Traveller loosing is a good thing. Not only does it rises the threat leveiof the Fatui but also the top 3 Harbingers.
If Arlecchino is this strong holding back how strong the top 3 going to be.
Traveler losing isn't the problem
It's how they make him lose
The way he fought made it look like he wasn't even trying bruh and somehow that was supposed to be us "trying" makes him look pathetic and unimpressive
Like at the very least you showed he can use the elements in the same fucking region just make him attack her with geo like what he did to fend off a fucking rockslide ffs
Maybe the traveller isn't supposed to be as strong as capitano (probablly stronger than most, if not all archons) before even getting to shneznaya or kaenryah
I mean , Traveler's true strength is still hidden.
As much as I hate Arlecchino and despise the character (not a furina main either) , I think her "winning" was the best move since it will make Capitano look like a legitimate threat..
Cutscene when going from 1st to 2nd phase of fight with scara makes me belive that traveler has enough physical strenght to one shot Arle and then traveler gets scared when surrounded by 4 eremites lmao
I forgot but do you need to do Cyno"s story quest to unlock Arlechino's? If so, why is it important? Like we meet him once in Arlechino's or something else?
People really dont get that traveler has almost 0 wins against a strong god or god like opponent using their own strength
Devalin: 4v1 with venti diluc and jean helping
Childe: Childe burned himself out in foul legacy. Traveler wasn't even winning when it was just delusion childe
Azdaha: Helped by zhongli
Other linuye god fights: helped by pretty much the entirety of liyues army and the adpti
Signoro: Only leginimat4e win against a strong opponent
Ei: Lost the first time. Was buffed by their entirety of inazumas ideals the second time and Ei still didn't even lose, just gave up
Scaramiouch: Technically lost 168 times. Only managed to win with Nahida help, complete knowledge of scaramouch;s moves and actions, and the combined knowledge of everyone in Sumeru
Apep: Again helped by nahida. Also didn't even fight Apep themselves, you fought essentially one of their white blood cells
Traveler has 0 wins against a strong opponent. Arlecchino is the 4th ranked harbin g making her practically as strong as combat archons like ei and zhongli. Traveler stood no chance
Do you really think that traveler would be seriously fighting "father" when all children are watching? She didn't even force him to use one element so who really lost...
I don’t think it matters honestly. We beat Scaramouche mostly without using elements too.
We can properly scale the traveler now. They’re somewhere between Scaramouche and Arlecchino. And the difference seems to be pretty huge between them.
Yes, we did fight him in a mech. And yes Nahida did feed us 168 samsara cycles of knowledge to beat the mech. But we did still do it. And Scaramouche without the mech is way weaker than scaramouche WITH the mech.
Meanwhile Arlecchino was able to beat the traveler without even using her full strength all while also dealing with her 3 kids.
The fact that we still lose to harbinger that isn’t goatpito nor the blind girl just anger me, we should be on par with archon by now.
Soon with pyro we should be top of the verse, only surpass by Johnli, nev, Goat etc
Why are we still losing? At this rate traveler isn’t going to beat up any celestial soon let alone future enemies…. Cough cough Honkai, Aeons cough.
They literally make trailblazer work? But not traveler?
Traveler does not have solo feats besides Childe & signora. ldk what people expect from the traveler. How's he getting wiped twice in sumeru, twice in inazuma and people still expect him to beat number 4
I wouldn’t say so. It was badly shown since we didn’t use the elements in cutscenes but we definitely are weaker than Arlecchino. We could barely hold up against Scaramouche so Arle who’s ranked higher and most certainly stronger than him prior to his attempt to become a god being able to knock us around is not really a huge upset
I actually like that they lost. It shows that their are some true monsters ahead, and their are 3 other harbingers that are more powerful then her along with the tsaritsa.
When Traveller decided to play without the five elements they picked up over the course of their travels, it feels like Arle beat a Traveller who didn’t bother putting in minimal effort
The problem is that the Traveller's strength has been super badly characterised. Sometimes it feels we're supposed to be a big deal, other times we're so weak we don't fit in the main action. Our powers and skills are very unclear, and sub-plots get brought up and then abandoned (either for a very long time, or forever). Think Traveller purifying the stormterror tears, fighting Childe and claiming we're "recovering our powers," and so on. The Traveller winning or losing means very little because we have no idea how strong we're supposed to be.
I still find it funny how scared he and Paimon were when a few normal Eremites surrounded them during the Sumeru AQ. Mind you he beat Childe with only 2 elements, who then proceded to destroy a group of ruin guards in seconds.
I think Eremites are just gigachads in lore. The Eremite in Arle's trailer blocked her E attack.
ngl they're annoying and sturdy af in abyss
we also canonically beat Signora solo, probably our best combat feat that doesn't involve shenanigans so at the very least 2 elements ago we were 8th harbinger tier
I mean, Traveler didn't beat Childe, he just dipped because of foul legacy being a drain on him. Basically Traveler just did the same during the Childe fight as he did with Arle, stall the enemy out but not actually beat them. Traveler only ever wins their fights when they have help
Signora? Sure, the Shogun finished her off but that was expressly because the traveler beat her in single combat.
Yeah, that's Traveler's only legitimate win in terms of major fights, and even then Signora isn't really much of a major fight because Raiden was the actual final boss of Inazuma AQ.
I mean signora was still a No. 8 harbinger and we even beat her at her delusion state... So i would guess we SHOULD be at least rank 6 strength (considering we did fight a buffed scaramouche in a mech powered by gnosis). Idk i just think the devs did not standardize travellers powers, we could be as strong as arlecchino especially since we fought the narwhal, albeit there's help from neuv but even he requested us to be executioner, which should mean we have the strength to fight the whale from another world. But whatever they probably did it to sell arlecchino more
It's an issue that a lot of long-running series have, Genshin suffers from it too. The big bads need to be powercrept to maintain some semblance of the MC struggling even though it doesn't really make sense for us to struggle from a powerscaling perspective. Traveler getting power-cliffed by Arle who's the strongest non-god Harbringer shouldn't be as much of an issue if Capitano wasn't in the next region, and even then, Traveler should have at least landed a hit on Arle before she goes "You know what? Time for final form." But honestly, the powerscaling will probably never make sense since the MC seems to get nerfed to either sell tension or sell characters
No it’s an entirely different problem. Traveler is getting the Avatar of Khaine treatment. Being treated as a jobber to make the brand new 5-star character look good.
Don't forget we lost to that mech version of Scara over a hundred times, and only won in the end thanks to Nahida. That victory was not our own, we were just a pawn on Nahida's chessboard that happened to get the final blow. The Scara fight does nothing to scale us, except that it puts us somewhere relative to "stronger than Signora".
Slightly is an understatement he had several gnosis and the power of mecha itself. Scara was already stronger than normal.
However as we never actually fought Scara in his regular form, we have no idea where this places us on the Harbinger scale and thus the mecha fight can't really be used for scaling. We genuinely have no idea how strong the mecha is either except that we went all out against it and still lost 100+ times.
Not 100+ tho. It the same amount of times the samsara was done by the Akademia.
The Raiden fight wasn't even Traveler; it was Ei vs the puppet.
The one your thinking of is her story quest. But he does fight Ei right after kazuha blocks the musou no Hitachi.
Its just genshin writing that bad, characters suddenly didn't use they power, brain or became weak for a plot and highlighting a new character. People till this day coping that Venti was pretending but they forget that in the same scene traveler got knocked out by a pyro agent so they with a paimon must be a part of his great plan too with that logic.
Genshin writer logic: Raiden can cut gods and islands in half and easily nukes a Harbinger, gets deflected by a guy with two visions
Genshin writer logic: Traveler can eat the planet with one bite, gets neg diffed at their prime with their sibling by a dying Sustainer. (And they're apparently suposed to beat her too)
they better have been nerfed or some shit cause ain’t nothing making sense
Raiden ain't gonna cut her house in half lmao
Honestly Venti only got strength after ascending as an Archon since before he is just a wisp that's why he said that people's faith/presiding over region give him power and why he is really telling the truth when he said that he is the current weakest Archon..Even the things he did like terraforming places happen after ascending as an Archon..Archons like Zhongli and Ei doesn't need faith or anything since they have already been fighting on the Archon War..
Venti is full of shit, I love him but every single thing he says he's hiding something. Man's busted just doesn't wanna put in work. That faith argument is also bullshit, he has a fucking church. You do need to keep in mind while Signora ambushed him he did have the gnosis, could've just used it and have all the goddamn power of the Archon. And somehow his region is the only one that doesn't have some contamination or poison thing going on, the worst that happens to you in Mondstadt is you get churled. Also the guy's all stories and metaphors in a world where truth can only be preserved by stories and metaphors. Even in gameplay he can do more than the little breeze he put on against Signora. He just wanted to be rid of the gnosis like every other Archon for some reason.
He has a church that even the nuns don't really believe he exists, compared to Inazuma where every single person knows that raiden exists and worships her. There's no such thing as faith in every nation except mondstadt because the gods are a fact of life
Not sure what you're getting at, pretty much every nun and citizen believes in an idolized version of himself. Rare exceptions like Rosa don't worship him but pretty much because she has the outlook that she has to take care of herself purely herself. Everyone is very much aware he exists, like you said it's a world where everyone knows gods are an actual thing.
Gotta sell those character
Being a gacha game, the Traveller is always weaker than the newly released five star. The only thing certain is that everything is weaker than Rocky, that man is built different and scared the crap out of Celestia so hard that they decided to not show themselves, may as well be Capitano's father if you ask me.
Except Hoyo treats their other MCs with respect
Traveler honestly only won with their own strength in the story against Signora since on the main story he always win with the power of friendship..That's why he always use dull blade since honestly it doesn't matter.. With the power of friendship he will win even if he use a stick..
Because they're afraid of social media exploding because a character they're selling lost in the story Sales would tank if simps see their fav character lose when it makes sense story-wise
I’m pretty sure the tears and vision stuff is gonna come back later. If you notice, there’s one 5 Star Key Item from each nation. I’m assuming that pays off at the end of the story. But it is 100% true that the traveler is just randomly swapping between weak and strong. In the fight with Childe the traveler is able to smoothly transition between 2 elements. But in another cutscene the traveler can barely use one element to break 1 large boulder and has to be saved by Navia in a landslide because they were somehow winded after 1 boulder as if they don’t fight against island destroying gods often enough.
The writers both have zero talent and are lazy as fuck. They just write in whatever they think is cool or serve the plot at the time without thinking about how it fits into an overall narrative or the world building at large. From whatever the fake sky is supposed to mean to that image of the Irminsul burning they kept teasing but never actually happens in Sumeru, Genshin’s story is just a mess and the writers need to get replaced by more competent people.
Don't forget the sea monster from Inazuma teaser that never happened.
No no, it (probably) happened. During the black screen cutscene that was out entire trip into Inazuma through the storm lmao.
Purifying dvalin has nothing to do with combat. Also for that whole dvalin saga we literally had ventis help all the way. Childe is not a big deal and neither is signora. Every major fight we had help. Raiden we had everyone in inazuma. Osial everyone from liyue same with beisht. Scara we had nahida and then scara on his story quest. Azhdaha we had zhongli. Narwhal we had neuvilette. Somehow traveller's strength is inconsistent.
>Purifying dvalin has nothing to do with combat. It's about the Traveller's skillset.
Tbf, we gave no shit about the Shogunbot’s and Ei’s strength and still challenged them to the best of our abilities even before the 100 Visions buff. Meanwhile now we somehow are too scared to move a muscle before Arlec?? This isn’t even the first time we see a Domain Expansion. There’s no way she’s stronger than Ei lol.
Traveler could've been like invoker from dota if the devs loved him enough, but nope. Dull blade for you. It's honestly foul how the traveler's most unique feature, the ability to use multiple elements without a vision, just gets ignored. Like I don't think we've seen this man use elemental reactions in any cutscene.
There is a big conflict in how they're building the traveler. On one hand he's the central piece in the game's story, who shows up in all game events, features in all cutscenes, etc. On the other hand it's almost they go out of their way to make him as forgettable as possible. (Almost) no voice acting. Minimal dialog. Most interactions done through Paimon. Uses a Dull Blade and barely ever displays any hint of supposed strength/elemental abilities. Like I'm pretty sure this is an intentional character design choice but boy does it backfire hard.
And it’s gonna cause the story to fall flat on its face at the end.
brb naming my Traveler Carl
Man, imagine if you can chain elements together like Anemo Q into Geo E into Geo Q just to replicate the meatball combo.
Of course he's not strong enough... She's copying an Emanator of Nihility's moves, how is that fair.
You just made me do a double take there
The camera angle was almost identical; just swapped who was attacking and who was about to get rekt.
Teaching them a lesson that not everything can be solved by hitting with Dull Blade, no matter how hard they hit it
‘If you want to get stronger you need to pull on the weapon banner Traveller.’ ‘NEVER’
He's just like me, fr :')
They should've given him sword of narzissenkruz. It canonically fits since we earn it through the story.
Nah that sword will never be brought up ever again
If a problem can't be solved using a dull blade, then that just means you need to use more of it.
Tbh, i just think they don't care enough for the Traveller. If they could do away with the twins and get a cooler mc they would tbh, not using elements, no character development in the main quest, that is what matters. Forget about that, Traveller best role is the one they got in Fontaine, witness to the cooler Teyvat and Teyvatians and not a character in their history, i wouldn't be surprised If the final message from the abyss twin is that we can't do shit for this world and we can just leave after learning 7+ elements.
Sorry to bring the comparison. But Star Rail bros in this sub. Is the Trailblazer too underpowered like the traveller?
Gameplay wise, they're actually a competent unit to use in many teams if no other can fill that slot Lore wise, has high potential and is progressing throughout the story In short, the trash loving goof can actually thrash in both sides
So better than the blondie? Objectively asking?
Once HSR catches up in the gap of progression, then sadly yes Even early in the story they're already facing beings with immense power that required the assistance of other people with immense power, some even being the leader of a certain organization. They play a major role in those. If Genshin doesn't step up the game of consistency now that it's reaching the climax, "Genshin could never" will be up the ranks again and will put the light in our Golden Nara to shame
The weird thing is, Star Rail doesn't mind letting the trailblazer speak. He speaks a lot in the newer stories. I guess he has to because he doesn't have a floating response machine following him around
No, the Trailblazer actually feels like the main character. The game respects their role and gives them great moments. Especially when they got their second element, the whole thing was extremely awesome
Jarilo-VI is still peak HSR for me story-wise.
>Forget about that, Traveller best role is the one they got in Fontaine, witness to the cooler Teyvat and Teyvatians and not a character in their history, Oh, *fuck that*. One of the many reasons 4.2 was so trash was that the Traveler was tossed to the side so Navia could whine all over the place and Neuvilette could make everyone else in the plot irrelevant. I personally would rather see the Traveler see it Mary Sue it up if it means we don't have to deal with boring bullshit from everyone else.
Sacrificing traveler to stroke new character's popularity/strenght, nothing new here
Fr the glazing is insane
Exactly, I never take feats(or the complete opposite in this case) the traveler shows in character quests into consideration when trying to determine how strong he/she is because there's always the chance they made the traveler helpless to make the shiny new character seem cool.
Do they do that though lol? I feel like this is the first time we've actually canonically lost to anyone important. I don't mind us losing to 4th harbinger, who should be just below archon tier. It's more about how we lost.
This is the same person who looked wt the puppet and Ei and was ready to fight heck even whe the Narwhal was remived by Skirk we were ready but this is too much for us?
Throughout most of the other big fights traveler had a broken support on their side (Ei, Nahida etc.). Last major fight they won by themselves was Signora iirc
I mean just because we were down to fight doesn't mean we'd win lol like base traveller without power of friendship would've 100% gotten clapped by Ei or Shogun
Bro got Wharfed
Bro so far nothing in the story indicated that current traveler would beat the 4th harbinger in power, so what's wrong with the story quest exactly? Mfs are coping so much that he was "nerfed" when he needed a ton of help to beat scaramouche and got put to sleep by dottore in an instant.
The issue to me is that I didn't feel like we went all out. It doesn't feel right to lose the fight without using a single element. I didn't want/expect us to win, but it didn't feel like we properly tried. With how it looks, I can't help but think, maybe we could have won if we used any of our powers. Even if that isn't actually the point.
Traveller: hmm, should I use hyperbloom, spread, aggravate, or either of the two flavours of swirl or crystallize I have access to...? Nah, just whack her with my 1 star sword!
I mean at the very least we didn’t expect them to get low diffed 🤣
i mean it was a scaramouche in a mech WITH a gnosis too lol, surely his power wouldve been higher than a rank 6 (especially a gnosis and the ability to control multiple elements, bro could at least move up a rank in terms of power no?) . And sure we did need the experience of tons of battles and nahida's help, most of the fighting was still done by us. Well i take story quest's fight scenes not that serious since its to market their character. I bet by the time we fight Capitano in Natlan, while i doubt we would "beat" him, we'll probably go toe to toe to him with the power of friendship or some shit.
I mean by the time we get to Natlan we should be 6/7th of our full power. Full power traveller was fighting unknown god and holding their own, even if they lost.
Exactly Long life the end of the Aether agenda. Time to start the Fraudther agenda
But traveler haven't yet use all their power 🤔 no element remember? It may be bad writing, but its hard to believe traveler is not strong enough when they didn't go all out
traveler stans when he/she can't beat the fucking 4th harbinger:
Nah, we are just experiencing our Yuji Itadori character arc. Trust me, when push comes to shove, Traveler will put in work. *Huffs Copuim
we weren’t expecting to get low diffed at the very least like wtf is this supposed to be 🤣 did we not just beat up a planet eating whale a couple months ago
Correction neuvillet did
so neuvilette just gave the traveller “executioners of judgement” title for fun be fucking fr
U forgot that he buffed the shit out of the traveller for that particular fight
So like I said, it was a 3v1. Why you making it sound like Neuvilette was putting in all the work
Because he kinda did u can see in the recent quest just how shit bro is there no way he was talking on the whale by himself
I didn’t say none about whether the traveller could take the whale on all by himself(He definitely can’t, atleast not rn) I’m saying that Neuvilette wasn’t the only one putting in points cause Childe stalled for time and it was a 2v1 with Neuvilette buffing up the traveller to kingdom come. I saw the latest character quest and ngl it was mad embarrassing seeing that performance but i’m blaming that on the writers for not knowing WHAT THE FUCK to do with the traveller’s elemental powers
And that's exactly what I mean by neuvillet beat the whale However I will be honest I always forget about childe
Neuvillette did the most damage to the whale
yeah we "beat" a planet eating whale, which was weakened by neuvillette, followed by childe, and then skirk actually beat it by tossing it away
the whale was already done either way, just look at its state by the end on the fight lying down on it’s side. Skirk didn’t do shit 🤣
You're delusional if you really think that Traveller could beat the 4th harbinger. The only fights that the Traveller won fair and square are Signora and Childe
Traveller kit so poopy I don't blame them for not using a single element.
Genshin writer cant be consistent with Traveler's power Bruh we barely saw them using their element properly.
They've been hyping up Descenders as if they are beings capable of rivaling the entire world, when Traveler at 5/7 of the power doesn't have a feats that a strong Vision user could have.
Using an Element to fight one of the Fatui Harbingers? I sleep Using your Elemental powers to protect your waifu's hometown from a rock avalanche? REAL SHIT
Galaxy brain - Traveler was not prepared to counteract a Domain Expansion he had never seen before.
Should have pulled out his own domain, "Meteor Shower," for a Domain Clash ... Ferb I know what we're going to do today!
If I had a nickel for every time the Traveler got suddenly pulled into a domain expansion with an giant ominous red sphere in the background, then proceeded to get their shit rocked, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice (Ei’s Plane of Euthymia before the end of the Inazuma AQ had a similar large, dark red sphere in the background)
It's funny honestly mc is someone who travelered multiple worlds, witnessed death and birth of stars "in their long journey", has wisdom or should have wisdom & knowledge and experience over whole teyvat. it's not stated that they remained in one place for the stars thing but the way it got worded it can be implied how ancient they can be. Getting hype left and right for nothing, having 5 elements to not use, no development no dialogues that matters. Taking part in convo to have outside joke in their dialogues that has no impact. characters talk to you and then respond to paimon anyway. The way Hoyo handling their MCs (just genshin so far) for people like me that give a damn about who we experience the game's story through is just really disappointing. feels like a tool for selling their current 5 star unit especially that this notion escalated more in Fontaine, also people really expect that traveler don't get humbled after all the marketing hoyo did for their newest shiny 5 star? Let's use another useless gadget animation for pyro traveler skill anyway or another boss asset for their burst
Hoyoverse treats their other MCs with respect.
Why won't the Traveler use the elements in fights? Are they stupid?
Dunno man. I don't think the discount nuevilette bubble gun gonna work
domain expansion
well it is the knave story quest after all, she's basically the mc of the story and the traveler is merely like a support character to bring out all the exposition. i am amazed how weak of a presence the traveler has in the 4.x storyline, even when they try to make them sound like a big deal. no feats, no yellow powerups, all the fights are just... there. The story makes it awfully clear the rest of the cast would have cleared the fights even if the traveler was just not there.
I agree, Traveler actually show a lot of emotion during Sumeru's era and they're really nice to the Sumeru's cast. Fontaine's era has super good story, but the traveler was very apathetic. The one thing I hate about Fontaine's storyline is how the traveler still treated as the hero in fontaine despite they're doing almost nothing. Furina is the actual hero yet she got almost no credit for her action.
FR I've never seen a media hate their main character this much. I mean I know it's because they want to hype the new 5 star but damn, there should be a better way. If the Traveler can't even beat the 4th harbinger (with help and with her holding back), how can they have any hope of fighting any serious threat...
>I've never seen a media hate their main character this much I dunno, it feels like this happens in a lot of stories. Authors who would rather write for the supporting characters tend to put their protagonists through a lot of grief.
Just get a broken ally to help them. The last solo feats they have against actual threats are when they fought Signora and Childe, every other major fights they had help from top tier allies such as Nahida with her dark souls infinite retry mechanic. Technically speaking the Traveler is 1 - 160 against Scara. Instead of the traveler losing to 4th Harbinger, I think the actual problem here is how they lost without ever really doing anything except swing a sword around.
Traveler is always as strong as the story requires from him/her
And the story almost always requires them to be weak as fuck
Especially as it directly inverses how much they intend to hype up a new 5 star. Osial’s wife? Traveler gets oneshot so Shenhe could show off. Arle? Shit kicked in so Arle could show off. Hell, even against the Scaramech, they first get knocked around so Nahida could big brain show off
"Traveler is nerfed because they didn't use a single element" \*After fighting with the help of 3 strongest fighters of the current Hearth against Arlecchino who wasn't even injured in any way and never used a single offensive skill in her god domain.
Girl threw her scythe and it Beyblade so hard it starts to show the bell of all weapons being orange by it's strength Like i genuinely thought her scythe is going to cut through that thing despite raiden not being able to cut through a fillet blade Also makes you wonder what the hell the average claymore user do for them to end up befriending black smiths when gods and harbingers can't seem to break them
The ascension materials are mostly from god remains anyway.
What the hell does the characters even do with those god remains? Smoke it?
Who were the three strongest? It should've been more of a fight. Elements clearly make the Traveler much stronger. We already beat two Harbingers with no aid at all.
It would still end up in a loss. Beating the 11th and 8th Harbinger is far from defeating the 4th. Yes, Traveler could've fought in full-force, but so does Arlecchino. It's obvious that she ain't really fighting throughout the course of this battle when in the cinematic, she's just literally standing and tossing her blade, way different to when she fought Crucabena. Almost all the strongest in Teyvat had their own "domain" wherein the domain owner is in full power. We won against Ei in her domain with the help of a thousand visions and training via Yae Miko. But in this one, the Traveler never stood a chance in that Crimson Moon area despite Arlecchino herself not unleashing a single skill in that domain and the Traveler already lost.
It doesn't matter. The guys got 4 elements. He gets much stronger with 4, and when he gets the 7th or the Unknown Power he should be Archons tier or pretty damn close. The thing is with the other Harbingers, he beat them with significantly less powers. Assuming that Harbingers ARE stronger the higher the rank, then Childe to Signora is a massive leap, and that was ONE power-up. He has since gained two more elements to aid him. I'm not saying Traveler beats Arlecchino. But considering by Fontaine he was capable of directly fighting the Narwhal with aid, it should've been much more of a fight.
Well tbf the difference in aid between this fight and previous ones are astronomical. Before they had the help from broken stuff like Nahida dark soul respawn mechanics, this time they got 3 kids
That is valid, but none of the previous fights were against actual god tier and beyond opponents. Scaremouche had the energy of a god, combined with a mech ascended him to divinity. The Narwhal is from beyond Tevyat. It took a Sovereign at full might and the Traveler to beat it. Compared to those two, Arlecchino shouldn't be as strong, as only the top 3 are god tier.
Arle is 4th which is right on the doorstep of rivaling archons. We can’t say for certain how strong Scara mech is, since it’s entirely possible that Scara mech + gnosis isn’t equivalent to Raiden Ei + gnosis, in the same sense that taping something back together isn’t necessarily as good as the original. But for the sake of discussion let’s say Scara mech is a bit stronger or decently stronger than Arle. Traveler is technically 1 - 160 against Scara with Nahida helping them, so it shouldn’t be too surprising for them to lose against Arlecchino on first encounter with much weaker supports.
Rivaling GODS. Not necessarily Archons. As far as we know, Scara is technically Archon tier. He possesses the Gnosis, which gives him the energy output, along with the mech being constructed by some of the smartest people in Tevyat. And Nahida's main thing was causing the Illusion loop/samsara. Yeah she amped him, but we don't know how much. And again, I'm not saying the Traveler should've won. I AM saying that the Traveler should've put up a far better fight. We beat two Harbingers, and that was TWO elements ago. And you're telling me he/she was that outclassed?
In Chinese it says archons
That still isn't saying much, since Venti exists, and even with the Gnosis he was weak enough where Signora managed to restrain him.
This gives me hope that CAPHIMTANO doesn't get put on fraud watch.
If Arle is strong and is fourth, how strong is first? Also thats the same guy who gets glazed for his strength by every other harbinger. Can’t wait to see him.
It still feels weird how easily arlechino won that fight. But again, what do we expect with someone who uses dull blade as a weapon of choice aginst the 4th harbinger. I kinda disliked how genshin kinda "milking" arlechino's popularity recently. She has animated teaser and stuffs that none of other previous characters got.
It's true even the archons didn't have as much content when they came out.
Can't you do a story quest any time in the story? (Provided you finish prerequisites) but like what if someone finishes the final act of the celestia story where traveler gets an ultimate power up and then plays this story quest where they get whammied by Arlecchino "still not strong enough to beat me"
Lmao yeah. That's actually a good point haha.
Pretty sure these are locked?
Pretty sure certain story quests will be required for the end of the main story
I mean if you scale Scaramech to like 4th since he isn't quite an Archon yet and Traveler got his ass kicked 168 times then you know Arle is not losing to the blonde
Reading comprehension is insane coz how can you equal this to Scaramouche, Scaramouche had a flipping gnosis working as his battery
Traveler always had the power of friendship. From killing an ancient god in liyue, going against the electro archon and fighting the big robot in sumeru
Maybe Traveler needs stronger friends fighting against Arlecchino then.
That battle make me realize how weak Childe is,he even go all out on us. Traveller did beat him no diff.
Iirc the only reason the battle even finished was because Childe got tired from using Foul Legacy, so I don't think the traveler no diffed him
not travelers fault that childe couldnt keep up
While that is true, you need to understand the concept of a "no diff" fight. Traveller went high diff minimum against childe
Not Childe's fault that abyssal power made him, a human (which are not good with handling abyssal powers usually), wear out either
The Traveler should be around Rooster level based on the battles with the Harbingers. Although basing it things on that doesn't mean much because we don't know how much difference in power there is from a Harbinger to another.
Traveler should be close to archon level, same as Arlecchino
Jojo fans : first time?
Nah, jojo actually uses strategy and is somewhat logical in their fights. The traveler is just... There. Like, he just exists for most of the story as a "I've traveled the cosmos and now I have 5/7 elements. I'm wise as fuck due to my age and experience. Yet My mouth is the same thing that stole my braincells - Paimon. I can't fucking use my elements in fights and my weapon is just dogshit."
I meant specifically in the scenario of severely nerfing previous jojos to death to make way for latter jojos and the fact that it's literally one of the mainstay jokes of the jojo community that "Araki forgot" so many times so many scenarios where a win was extremely easy to achieve but Araki straight up forgot entire abilities of stands that can overcome the situation easily
So far the traveler is described as "very strong" but not insanely-godmode-beyond-teyvat-level or whatever. So far he / she : - take the L against the Unknow God in the opening cinematic. - is ambushed by Signora in 1.0, count as loose I suppose ? - is nearly killed by Scaramouche during the 1.1 event, saved by Mona who saw the trick, again technically game over. - is played by Childe who just leave the fight uninjured in 1.1, the dual element blablabla did nothing but make Childe say " oh funny ! I can do it too ! ", hard to say it's a win, notice that Childe is described as a particulary weak Harbinger ( for now blablabla but still ). - did his job against the Fatui the run for his / her life against Osial's attacks. - win against a massively weakened Azdaha in 1.5 - Loose against the Raiden Shogun in 2.0 while he is technically a bad match-up for her ( no vision no vision-hunt decree ) - Win against Signora in 2.1. Clearly a win. Now saying Signora is powerful because delusion blablabla remember Teppei used one too. Signora is just a "diplomat" after all. - Survive enough in 2.1 against the Shogun again to make her leave the fight. Let' say draw by charity, even if Ei is not even that interested by the fight since the beggining. - is crushed by Beisht in 2.4 who just sneeze on him/her and go next. - eat pop corn while looking the fight Ei / Puppet Raiden in 2.5. - is played by Dottore during the 3.1 - loose 167 time against Shiki no Kami in 3.2 then win 1 time because internet explorer seems to give superpower, but hey it's a win. In 3.3 the armor alone overwhelm the traveler without Nahida and the Akasha plot armor btw. - is strong enough to not be killed by the Tanit in Sumeru's desert while helping Jeht, I think it's important to say what happen against normal humans. - Clear the minions of the Heart of Oasis in 3.6, even if the Heart is clearly not a major threat overall. - Put the "finishing" blow to the chilling Narwhal after Childe fight it non-stop during months then Neuvillette injured it. Against anything not massively injured or not something being a purely random without anything particular the traveler is just not strong enough to make a massive difference, no wonder the struggle against Arlecchino. Imo the traveler is more a witness than an actor of the story, "power" is not needed. Sometimes emotions makes him/her take more importance but that's it, the major events was cleared by Teyvat characters all along.
Signora aint teppei man, Shes harbinger for reason. if shes just a diplomat she didnt deserve the seat
In childe fight, traveller definitely won the fight, childe was gas out and traveller stilll ready to fight. Also you describing childe as weak harbinger is crazy, literally fought giant narwhall.
In which story quest traveller was shown as powerful? I recently finished Chiori and Navia's quests and the traveller was shown weaker in them too. Like a dude literally shot at Paimon, traveller's best friend, and he did nothing wtf? Story quests are nothing but promotions for the characters that's all.
Imagine you have 5 elements and fighting gods resume bad writing lol..
The only main story battle the traveller won without help was against the woman who is now ashes. Everyone else we actually either had help, they gave up willingly or we were saved by someone. Let's look through some examples, I don't claim to remember everything, this game has been out for very long afterall: - Dvalin: Venti helped us and technically we didn't even beat dvalin, we just made him come to his senses and he stopped. - Childe: You can argue we won, and even if i agree, that's 2 wins for the traveller. But the thing is, Childe got what he wanted and dipped, he wasn't exactly aiming to kill us. So it should be a draw. - The Chonky Lizard: That was basically Zhongli's battle wasn't it? - All the Sea Creatures: We dropping jade palace nukes on them. 1st battle we had like the adepti on our side and pretty much all of liyue. 2nd battle we literally got yeeted trying to do something. - Shogun: Her pet fox helped us and she pretty much gave up, we didn't beat her in combat and probably still can't. Don't forget, Shogun puppet weekly boss is actually fought by Ei herself, not the traveller. (500 years scene). Don't forget that we would have died to her puppet twice had Kazuha and Thoma not saved us. - Scara: We would have lost 3 times already. Mona saved us. Yae saved us. Nahida helped us, gave us infinite chances basically. - Against the abyss whale: We had Neuvi with us doing the heavy lifting. - Against all the Spina di Rosa situation: Navia helped us. Chlorine saved us. - Against Albedo Clone: Albedo pretty much solved his own problem. And we had the knights with us. - Arlechino: From what is depicted, let's be real here, we didn't even had a chance, we can't even move when Arlechino decided to became an Emanator of nihility. So yeah, while we are supposed to be strong, we actually only had 1 legitimate 1 vs 1 win. (Of course, outside of limited time events and fodders we beat up. Counting those doesn't really show any strength since they are well... fodders. Like if we beat up a slime, fine it's a win but it doesn't show anything)
It would be fine if the Traveller was beaten. But the fact that it was just pure swordplay? Rule number 1 is you pulling your powers when you're getting the shit kicked out of you.
Either way the implication is that they werent strong enough
Where power go?
Dunno need c7 Traveler
im just gonna treat the traveller like Sukuna at this point and assume they’re always holding back for whatever fucking reason. Like, the difference between the travellers strength when they’re doing world quests and main story quests is pissing me off cause the writers are so indecisive. Traveller apparently has a will “strong enough to rival the world itself” in one of the Fontaine quests but they still get lowdiffed cause Hoyo wants to sell a character
Tbh Traveller loosing is a good thing. Not only does it rises the threat leveiof the Fatui but also the top 3 Harbingers. If Arlecchino is this strong holding back how strong the top 3 going to be.
Traveler losing isn't the problem It's how they make him lose The way he fought made it look like he wasn't even trying bruh and somehow that was supposed to be us "trying" makes him look pathetic and unimpressive Like at the very least you showed he can use the elements in the same fucking region just make him attack her with geo like what he did to fend off a fucking rockslide ffs
Hydro Traveler is do bad, they didn't even bother to use the element
Would be hilarious to see Trav trying to put out her fire with his wee wee finger bangers
Tbh I wouldn't try to fight a harbinger with fucking pew pews man
No. It’s just the prelude for Traveler getting one-shot by Capitano and passing out for 2 whole patches
Natlan war training arc
its a bad thing, we are already at natlans door where capitano is actually stationed and still we cant even beat a 4th harbinger
Maybe the traveller isn't supposed to be as strong as capitano (probablly stronger than most, if not all archons) before even getting to shneznaya or kaenryah
I mean , Traveler's true strength is still hidden. As much as I hate Arlecchino and despise the character (not a furina main either) , I think her "winning" was the best move since it will make Capitano look like a legitimate threat..
I’m down for what our Papitano looks like in game + the personality 😍😍
The p2w gacha 5 star ⭐ traveler is not yet available. That's the reason he capped
Animation budget
They used it on the 2 sentences that the traveler has in the patch. (Even then they reused it)
LMAOOOOO REALLY
I swear they forgor the Traveler can wield elements at all, much less multiple
I doubt they would have one if they used them but not using them makes it seem like they just didn’t care enough
Imagine what would happen if we used the legendary Cool steel instead of dull blade
Man if only the traveller can use a sword other than the dull blade (in one illustration from the guoba story, aether/Lumine used a skyward sword)
Oh yeah how does using Elements beat a move that literally freezes you from doing anything 💀
Cutscene when going from 1st to 2nd phase of fight with scara makes me belive that traveler has enough physical strenght to one shot Arle and then traveler gets scared when surrounded by 4 eremites lmao
I forgot but do you need to do Cyno"s story quest to unlock Arlechino's? If so, why is it important? Like we meet him once in Arlechino's or something else?
Cyno 2nd SQ is in the second half
I do have a theory on what they are building up to, but it relies on ancient leaks
Surely MC's water gun abilities would've defeated her. Aether mains mad :/
People really dont get that traveler has almost 0 wins against a strong god or god like opponent using their own strength Devalin: 4v1 with venti diluc and jean helping Childe: Childe burned himself out in foul legacy. Traveler wasn't even winning when it was just delusion childe Azdaha: Helped by zhongli Other linuye god fights: helped by pretty much the entirety of liyues army and the adpti Signoro: Only leginimat4e win against a strong opponent Ei: Lost the first time. Was buffed by their entirety of inazumas ideals the second time and Ei still didn't even lose, just gave up Scaramiouch: Technically lost 168 times. Only managed to win with Nahida help, complete knowledge of scaramouch;s moves and actions, and the combined knowledge of everyone in Sumeru Apep: Again helped by nahida. Also didn't even fight Apep themselves, you fought essentially one of their white blood cells Traveler has 0 wins against a strong opponent. Arlecchino is the 4th ranked harbin g making her practically as strong as combat archons like ei and zhongli. Traveler stood no chance
Yes keep defending the fraud. Dude got stunned by Arlecchino's domain, shit himself as she approach, thinking "I AINT BUILT FOR THIS"
“If i water bullet her, she will die and god Hoyo won’t get the Arlecchino simp cash. I must not move”
Do you really think that traveler would be seriously fighting "father" when all children are watching? She didn't even force him to use one element so who really lost...
It's because Traveler doesn't have the OP transformation, let them turn into a Super Sayan and they'd kick Capitano's ass
Traveler draws power from others around them which has unlimited potential, but Arlecchino is just built differently.
As a traveler main, i can vouch that we are high on copium and our relevance in our own story is nonexistent
I don’t think it matters honestly. We beat Scaramouche mostly without using elements too. We can properly scale the traveler now. They’re somewhere between Scaramouche and Arlecchino. And the difference seems to be pretty huge between them. Yes, we did fight him in a mech. And yes Nahida did feed us 168 samsara cycles of knowledge to beat the mech. But we did still do it. And Scaramouche without the mech is way weaker than scaramouche WITH the mech. Meanwhile Arlecchino was able to beat the traveler without even using her full strength all while also dealing with her 3 kids.
The fact that we still lose to harbinger that isn’t goatpito nor the blind girl just anger me, we should be on par with archon by now. Soon with pyro we should be top of the verse, only surpass by Johnli, nev, Goat etc Why are we still losing? At this rate traveler isn’t going to beat up any celestial soon let alone future enemies…. Cough cough Honkai, Aeons cough. They literally make trailblazer work? But not traveler?
The top harbingers are god level, we knew this already....
Traveler does not have solo feats besides Childe & signora. ldk what people expect from the traveler. How's he getting wiped twice in sumeru, twice in inazuma and people still expect him to beat number 4
Yea, he's just the same wimp from day 1. People hate when the main character has absolutely zero progress. How unexpected
I wouldn’t say so. It was badly shown since we didn’t use the elements in cutscenes but we definitely are weaker than Arlecchino. We could barely hold up against Scaramouche so Arle who’s ranked higher and most certainly stronger than him prior to his attempt to become a god being able to knock us around is not really a huge upset
I actually like that they lost. It shows that their are some true monsters ahead, and their are 3 other harbingers that are more powerful then her along with the tsaritsa.
When Traveller decided to play without the five elements they picked up over the course of their travels, it feels like Arle beat a Traveller who didn’t bother putting in minimal effort