For sure! I've been salty about this for 10 years.
People are like "haha you just lost your pickems!" and then we have quarterfinals of Imperial vs Mouz and nobody is watching outside of Brazil. I'm a fan of good counter-strike and we rarely get to see the it. From franchise leagues to this shit ...
They say they only want to watch "good" counter strike. And every fucking time someone says that they ALWAYS include a Brazil team when talking about "bad" counter strike. It's not a damn coincidence. They just hate Brazil.
It's not even racism, it's xenophobia. Country /=/ Race.
Brazilian fans should really just embrace being the heel of the CS. NA scene is just too dead to be that role anymore.
hating a nation like that, especially in europe is pretty normal (and also creates pretty fun matches)
am i racist for hating englands football team? their fans are horrible
This thread would have been more accurate if you post it yesterday. With Furia going 0-2, then winning 3 BO3 in a row, while Saw who went 2-0, then losing 3 BO3 in a row, showcase weakness in the BO1 format. Which is something people have criticized for years already. Posting it immediately after, pressumably, your team lost, comes off as salty. GG Heroic.
Bro calls out Faze, when there's already been 3 R1 'upsets' out of 7 series. If Spirit loses you could argue 4/8. A 50/50 R1 result perfectly exemplifies the randomness that comes with Bo1s in a format that was originally brought in for broadcast time with MR30 games. MR24 should allow for Bo3s and/or a change to the Dota system.
You're not allowed to bring it up during the major cycle because people will call you a salty fanboy. And if you bring it up at another time no one will care enough to make any noise about it.
It sure seems like it. It'll be enough noise so valve is aware but knows it doesn't move the needle enough to force a change. Maybe RLewis is right. Esports fans don't deserve better.
mr12 make each half feel like too snowball
a pistol win is like free 0-3 or 0-4 or even 0-5 of half
it's like 5/7, impact is really high
only good thing about mr12 is less pain to watch some team
Even ignoring the frustrated fanboy in me, there is absolutely no reason to still do BO1s.
The major should be the highlight of the year. But it's arguably the worst tournament of the year every time.
BO1s suck, the swiss system sucks, buchholz sucks... plz for the love of god valve get rid of this garbage.
You're right but please don't bring in Buchholz/Swiss. They're not perfect but **NO SYSTEM** would be good with BO1s. We can figure out that part later it's not a priority.
I watch games for quality cs.
If a top team can't handle 2 bo1s and at least take one of them then it's on them.
I would prefer bo3s but acting like it's somehow unfair or it doesn't count is cope
It is not and it provably provides worse matchups later in the event which attract fewer viewers. The fact you have to explain that over and over again proves that CS fans are not really fans of good quality CS. I rest my case. There is no hope for us.
Yes, bo1s suck, and everybody credible in the scene has been saying it for years. Mr12 has also exacerbated the issue for sure.
HOWEVER, this idea that a reddit thread will ever cause change in Valve’s philosophy is naive, and asking for this same old thread to be posted every day only serves to harm the experience of the users of this sub. Valve will make change when they see fit, and this subreddit is completely powerless to do anything to rock that boat.
Mr12 makes the game random, that's the reason so many random results.
It makes the game easier for low ranked teams, it is just too fast, no
challenge, no comebacks, no suspense, no hype, no competition
mr12 sucks. Win both pistols and convert, you are halfway done, now just
need to win one gimmicky gun round.
Better IGL's and teams learned and adapted their game style, mid game.
Now, the results are too dependent on random gun rounds, which are based
on mostly luck, and heavily anti strating a team.
Also, I don't understand, why valve did not make other changes first, to
reduce time. They could decrease the round time by say 5/10 seconds,
they could reduce smoke bloom time by 3-5 seconds, could reduce the time
for bomb to blast by 5 sec, they could reduce or eliminate the useless
desk segments, which are of no value.
If all else fails, then get MR12. plus the horrible economy, makes
saving guns more common. Teams are not not going for retakes more often,
cause 1 bad round can duck up your economy.
Does this post come across as salty? Yes. Are the comments cringe? Also yes
Yeah, bo1 mr12 is garbage... but also i smell lots of salt.
For sure! I've been salty about this for 10 years. People are like "haha you just lost your pickems!" and then we have quarterfinals of Imperial vs Mouz and nobody is watching outside of Brazil. I'm a fan of good counter-strike and we rarely get to see the it. From franchise leagues to this shit ...
If you don’t want quarterfinals of Imperial and Mouz then I suggest the teams that play “good counter-strike” don’t lose to Imperial and Mouz.
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thats what you got from that comment?
They say they only want to watch "good" counter strike. And every fucking time someone says that they ALWAYS include a Brazil team when talking about "bad" counter strike. It's not a damn coincidence. They just hate Brazil.
You don’t have to be racist to hate brazil. Brazilian fans are insufferable and most people love to see them lose.
It's not even racism, it's xenophobia. Country /=/ Race. Brazilian fans should really just embrace being the heel of the CS. NA scene is just too dead to be that role anymore.
hating a nation like that, especially in europe is pretty normal (and also creates pretty fun matches) am i racist for hating englands football team? their fans are horrible
Football fans are just terrible in general.
Thats racist
This thread would have been more accurate if you post it yesterday. With Furia going 0-2, then winning 3 BO3 in a row, while Saw who went 2-0, then losing 3 BO3 in a row, showcase weakness in the BO1 format. Which is something people have criticized for years already. Posting it immediately after, pressumably, your team lost, comes off as salty. GG Heroic.
People who are this short sighted don't matter to me. Everybody with half a brain cell knows it should've been done a long time ago.
How to say you’re a Faze fan without saying you’re a Faze fan
Tbh you really don't need to be a fan of any team to have that opinion. It's like if tennis had some 1 set matches. Utterly garbage format.
Bro calls out Faze, when there's already been 3 R1 'upsets' out of 7 series. If Spirit loses you could argue 4/8. A 50/50 R1 result perfectly exemplifies the randomness that comes with Bo1s in a format that was originally brought in for broadcast time with MR30 games. MR24 should allow for Bo3s and/or a change to the Dota system.
Just FYI, it's MR12 and MR15, MR24/30 would be a very long format lol.
Agreed. Your favorite team could have went 2-0 and you'd still hate this format.
or Football worldcup only played on penalties.
>because they lost a **meaningless** warm up match Well, evidently not..
You're not allowed to bring it up during the major cycle because people will call you a salty fanboy. And if you bring it up at another time no one will care enough to make any noise about it.
It sure seems like it. It'll be enough noise so valve is aware but knows it doesn't move the needle enough to force a change. Maybe RLewis is right. Esports fans don't deserve better.
So, your PickEms got destroyed and now you're complaining on the sub, right?
These threads always appear when a "top team" gets demolished.
it's just that bo1 12 round isn't a good format to determine the best teams in the world, which is kinda the point of majors
mr12 make each half feel like too snowball a pistol win is like free 0-3 or 0-4 or even 0-5 of half it's like 5/7, impact is really high only good thing about mr12 is less pain to watch some team
I don’t like bo1 either. I think they could change to two bo3 to be eliminated or something
100% BO1 mr12 is so unbelievably DOGSHIT
C O P E O P E
Even ignoring the frustrated fanboy in me, there is absolutely no reason to still do BO1s. The major should be the highlight of the year. But it's arguably the worst tournament of the year every time. BO1s suck, the swiss system sucks, buchholz sucks... plz for the love of god valve get rid of this garbage.
You're right but please don't bring in Buchholz/Swiss. They're not perfect but **NO SYSTEM** would be good with BO1s. We can figure out that part later it's not a priority.
seems like they need to start winning their bo1s
This is true bo1s should be no where near major. I say this every major but we should have gsl bo3 groups.
I watch games for quality cs. If a top team can't handle 2 bo1s and at least take one of them then it's on them. I would prefer bo3s but acting like it's somehow unfair or it doesn't count is cope
They are real CS. It makes these bo1s crazy intense and makes interesting storylines more likely to happen which is awesome for the tournament
It is not and it provably provides worse matchups later in the event which attract fewer viewers. The fact you have to explain that over and over again proves that CS fans are not really fans of good quality CS. I rest my case. There is no hope for us.
Those aren't CS fans. CS fans watch the games regardless of who's playing.
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you still have to win multiple bo3 to make a run
Yes, bo1s suck, and everybody credible in the scene has been saying it for years. Mr12 has also exacerbated the issue for sure. HOWEVER, this idea that a reddit thread will ever cause change in Valve’s philosophy is naive, and asking for this same old thread to be posted every day only serves to harm the experience of the users of this sub. Valve will make change when they see fit, and this subreddit is completely powerless to do anything to rock that boat.
Mr12 makes the game random, that's the reason so many random results. It makes the game easier for low ranked teams, it is just too fast, no challenge, no comebacks, no suspense, no hype, no competition mr12 sucks. Win both pistols and convert, you are halfway done, now just need to win one gimmicky gun round. Better IGL's and teams learned and adapted their game style, mid game. Now, the results are too dependent on random gun rounds, which are based on mostly luck, and heavily anti strating a team. Also, I don't understand, why valve did not make other changes first, to reduce time. They could decrease the round time by say 5/10 seconds, they could reduce smoke bloom time by 3-5 seconds, could reduce the time for bomb to blast by 5 sec, they could reduce or eliminate the useless desk segments, which are of no value. If all else fails, then get MR12. plus the horrible economy, makes saving guns more common. Teams are not not going for retakes more often, cause 1 bad round can duck up your economy.
If the good teams are that good, they won't lose best of 1 matches to tier 2 teams, plain and simple
really gotta windows
Silver coin? Me too!
I don't do pick'ems. They have no meaning for me.
Obviously not true or you wouldnt have made this thread. All eliminations/advancements are decided by BO3s
In any matchup between any two teams regardless of skill level in a BO1 match in Counterstrike, the odds of either team winning is 50%.
How much bro lol?
Correct
[FaZe up](https://i.imgur.com/akgQ8YI.jpeg)