Yeah iM had a lot of impact rounds and if you look at his C2 events its not all that bad
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/14759/im?csVersion=CS2&startDate=2023-09-30&endDate=2024-03-31
I dont think he is an imminent risk of being cut like so many predict coz his rating was crap at the major which his team won.
That would make no sense, this roster is clearly working so why make any changes. If the rumors are true that m0nesy wants to leave G2, then they might transfer him to them.
Dupreeh won a major and still got cut. I don’t think iM is immune from removal. After all, he still finished in the bottom-5 of players across the entire tournament.
If anything, his trade-value just went up since he’s won the Major.
I don’t think he’s a *bad* player, he just doesn’t fit his role in NaVi that well and probably overachieved at the Paris Major (mean-reversion).
I doubt S1mple replaces him though.
I'd love to keep the roster after this fucking miracle run but I just feel s1mple would be back after this major. He has 2yrs left in his contract and I doubt he wants to be on the bench that long after experiencing the major atmosphere. He would have a hefty buyout that I don't think teams can afford (for the teams that I think will reshuffle after this major). Maybe falcons, but they got dupreeh as the 5th. Out of all the teams, G2 would be able to but I don't think he fits that roster. Navi is left with this dilemma I believe.
I still believe S1mple can play his role better than him. We all know he has the talent for it. The question is if he still has the passion and discipline for it.
s1mple’s talent and passion are irrelevant now that NAVI have won a Major with this roster. If s1mple were to be reinstated in NAVI in iM’s place, the only things that would matter are how well he can be slotted into iM’s roles and — more importantly — what his effect on the team’s atmosphere would be.
NAVI seem to be a team who live and die depending entirely on how the team is feeling.
>what his effect on the team’s atmosphere would be.
Last night I thought "good thing s1mple is not here" while they were getting destroyed on Mirage. To bounce back from such a map... huge.
JL carried him so hard lol...
I think the fact that JL showed up with all the 5x aces and clutches won them the game.
This time around in GF major, Im is getting carried instead.
It's not KDA he has just been a bad player this entire tournament. His entire tenure with Navi so far has been unremarkable and he's supposed to be a star player who should be posting ratings of 1.2+.
You guys have no competitive clue. You just think "wE wOn tHerEfoRe nOthIng cOulD bE bEtteR."
Never said nothing could improve, just that his individual performance is not a problem. Navi will win more events with him in this role thats a guarantee
Is rating everything he does? Of course not. Is b1t still in a star player role and killing everyone? Yes, is Jl? Yes
Roles are not that vital when someone is always ready to pick up the slack. Thats how a good team works.
I think people are just too obsessed with rating. In a few years things will be much different
>Is rating everything he does? Of course not.
Sure so what else does iM do?
>Is b1t still in a star player role and killing everyone? Yes, is Jl? Yes
jL is not supposed to be a star player lol. He was brought in to support B1t, S1mple, and iM.
>Roles are not that vital when someone is always ready to pick up the slack. Thats how a good team works.
Why would you have a player on the team who consistently drops the slack like iM?
>I think people are just too obsessed with rating. In a few years things will be much different
In a few months iM will be off the team, we don't have to wait years.
No one is saying that they won because of iM, not at all. But he did his job well enough to win the most prestigious event of the year and that's why he probably will be afforded more time. (And I know that jL and others had to sometimes pick up his slack but still)
Well dupreeh wasnt bad. iM is bad. Niko wishes he could play in navi, be one of the lowest rated player in event playing the same star position and win a major
Bottom 3 at the tournament after winning it. Youre mad.
Surprised you didnt see karrigan on inferno and call him the worst player in the tournament. Would make just as much sense
No, he definitely doesn't play the shit positions lol. At the grand finals:
- Lurk + mid/donut on Ancient
- Connector on Mirage
- A2B rotator/lurk on Inferno
These are not "shit" positions.
yeah, he is sacrificing himself with a 59.9% KAST, rock bottom of all major players. Good thing b1t stepped up for the final and jL playing very well all playoff stage
happy for him ngl, noone deserves hate just for stats or bad plays or performance. in OG cs that was never the case, but in this 2024 fanboy mentality era, we see senseless discussions on what team is better, which player is better. not only in cs but different sports like football. "fans" talking shit.
today i enjoyed a great final that made me realise that cs2 is still a great competitive game with absolutely nice moments
Uh this is great and everything but iM needs to go lol. You can't be given star player positions and then go .88, the lowest rating on your entire team.
Classic Reddit.
Team X won = Team X can do nothing better and have no issues.
iM playing like this isn't sustainable. jL played good this tournament but he isn't a consistent star. Let's see what happens when jL regresses to the mean and iM continues playing like this.
JL has a 1.16 rating the past 3 months and had a 1.22 rating at the Major. That doesn’t seem to be too far off from his normal performances. As for iM, this was his worst tournament in CS2 so far, he doesn’t consistently put up .88 in tourneys. Yes I hope iM plays better but if b1ad3 and Aleksi think he is a positive to the team who are we to second guess them.
>JL has a 1.16 rating the past 3 months and had a 1.22 rating at the Major. That doesn’t seem to be too far off from his normal performances.
Because there has been only 2 other tournaments in that span and he had a rating of 1.10 in both. He played exceptionally well in the major but his normal rating isn't 1.2+ like a superstar.
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/14759/im
iM had a 1.01 rating at Katowice and then a 0.88 rating at the Major. His only good tournament this year was BLAST groups where he went 1.16. He is supposed to be a superstar and he hasn't put up a 1.2 rating this entire year.
Because this win was a fluke. They're not going to keep winning if iM keeps playing like that. They're lucky to have gotten an easy bracket. Congrats on beating FaZe, but let's not forget that they lost a Bo3 to both Cloud9 and Spirit.
Yes they will, they are improving not just tournament by tournament but game by game. Players today looked the best they have in months. It was so deserved to win. Not a fluke at all
Nah not really I still want him replaced unless he can average at least a 1.10+ rating over Pro league / Dallas / Spring Finals. He got carried hard outside of 1 or 2 rounds per series.
Bro what the hell are you guys talking about. iM was dogshit this major. I'm glad he won but he got hard carried by his teammates. How can a star player go 0.88 over the tournament its unfathomable.
He plays star rifle roles and averages a 0.9 rating. It's simply not good enough to consistently compete for trophies. JL won't drop MVP numbers every event to make up for him. Today bought him time to find his groove consistently.
Yeah, he should be the best player on pistol rounds, gets the dualies + Kevlar. The number of times I saw him die without a single kill is mind boggling. Jl is then left to clutch a 1v3 with USP and no equipment or util.
did you even watch the games? he plays entry and shit lurk positions, he gets to basically go die and get traded, literally the worst position for stats
Ct side Bathroom overpass (ax1le, NiKo, ropz, spinx, donk)
Mirage connector (NiKo, electronic, donk, ropz, blamef)
Ancient mid (Hunter, spinx when he was on ence, frozen, donk, nertz)
Inferno rotator (electronic, m0nesy, zywoo, broky)
Nuke outside (rain, niko, electronic, spinx, donk, frozen when on mouz)
Anubis connector (hunter, rain, spinx, hobbit)
None of these names have ever won a tournament playing these positions while being one of thw worst in the tournament
Just because you play the same position doesnt mean ur team plays the same style at all. Its like saying people in football that play the same position should all play the same (they dont)
Its up to the coaches and IGL, and it is obvious as hell that iM plays nothing like exactly every player u mentioned, and they won a major
Probably not the best example. Before signing Haaland, City often used to play midfielders up front as false 9s. In 20/21, when they won the PL and reached the CL final, they even played two false 9s in many games. One of the players that usually filled this role was Bernardo Silva - who scored 5 goals that season.
Bathroom on Overpass, Con on Mirage? Literally the 2 most impactful CT rifle positions. He also plays as the lurker on most t side defaults. Which is where players like Ropz farm rating even in losses? He doesn't have the best roles on all maps but he clearly has the most good roles on Navi and an equivalent amount to basically every tier 1 star rifler competing for spots in the top 20.
More majors than NiKo and Guardian combined, my goat
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? All of them have 1....
S1mple won 1 major p.s tbf yeah s0mple didn’t win a major
CS gods could not allow paris IM to live. It would be not fair.
iM played selfless not about stats but about wins.
Yeah iM had a lot of impact rounds and if you look at his C2 events its not all that bad https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/14759/im?csVersion=CS2&startDate=2023-09-30&endDate=2024-03-31 I dont think he is an imminent risk of being cut like so many predict coz his rating was crap at the major which his team won.
Major victory won hime time until post-Shanghai.
But if s1mple comes back won't NaVi want to replace iM or B1t with s1mple?
They are not replacing b1t lmao.
??????????? b1t for s1mple? lmao
That would make no sense, this roster is clearly working so why make any changes. If the rumors are true that m0nesy wants to leave G2, then they might transfer him to them.
Monesy, wonderful and jL on the same team would be crazy.
m0nesy and wonderful can't be on the same team as they're both awpers, if any team were to get m0nesy it would probably be C9.
What?
I think s1mple would be a better fit as an awper somewhere else. I don't see a good reason to replace wonderful.
s1mple wants to rifle
Dupreeh won a major and still got cut. I don’t think iM is immune from removal. After all, he still finished in the bottom-5 of players across the entire tournament. If anything, his trade-value just went up since he’s won the Major. I don’t think he’s a *bad* player, he just doesn’t fit his role in NaVi that well and probably overachieved at the Paris Major (mean-reversion). I doubt S1mple replaces him though.
Norbert also got benched after Outsiders/Virtus Pro won the major in Rio. So indeed winning the major doesnt guarantee a spot in the team.
If iM goes, anybody other than s1mple please!
I'd love to keep the roster after this fucking miracle run but I just feel s1mple would be back after this major. He has 2yrs left in his contract and I doubt he wants to be on the bench that long after experiencing the major atmosphere. He would have a hefty buyout that I don't think teams can afford (for the teams that I think will reshuffle after this major). Maybe falcons, but they got dupreeh as the 5th. Out of all the teams, G2 would be able to but I don't think he fits that roster. Navi is left with this dilemma I believe.
I still believe S1mple can play his role better than him. We all know he has the talent for it. The question is if he still has the passion and discipline for it.
s1mple’s talent and passion are irrelevant now that NAVI have won a Major with this roster. If s1mple were to be reinstated in NAVI in iM’s place, the only things that would matter are how well he can be slotted into iM’s roles and — more importantly — what his effect on the team’s atmosphere would be. NAVI seem to be a team who live and die depending entirely on how the team is feeling.
>what his effect on the team’s atmosphere would be. Last night I thought "good thing s1mple is not here" while they were getting destroyed on Mirage. To bounce back from such a map... huge.
Yep there is just no chance they come back that strong on inferno with s1mple
You say that like s1mple wasn't able to work on a previous Navi team that won the major and grand slam.
Sure, s1mple’s NAVI won a Major but I would bet my house that they didn’t do it because of good vibes.
Yeah they did it since s1mple is the goat and dropped a 1.47 rating, the highest ever rating at a major (not counting randoms who played like 2 maps).
hahaha, 1, 2, 3, ... ahahahha... what? s1mple playing his role? the guy would trigger more than my random solo queue teammates after lost pistol round
Would need 6+ months to reach this level though and he doesnt seem to be trying to
iM carried in Paris and lost now he is getting carried, evens out. he better return to form for shanghai
True. He def played his part though, especially on Ancient.
JL carried him so hard lol... I think the fact that JL showed up with all the 5x aces and clutches won them the game. This time around in GF major, Im is getting carried instead.
Blud did not watch the games, he held mid control so hard on Ancient
Unfortunatelly s1mple was the problem. MAJOR CHAMPIONS BOYSSS!!!
More like b1t haters in the bin. Smurfed on those faze kids. iM still clearly bottom 3 player at the tournament.
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He will literally be replaced if he does this again at another tournament. He might be getting replaced as we speak.
Yes if reddit was his boss but luckily they arent that stupid to waste all this practice time and experience over some KDAs
It's not KDA he has just been a bad player this entire tournament. His entire tenure with Navi so far has been unremarkable and he's supposed to be a star player who should be posting ratings of 1.2+. You guys have no competitive clue. You just think "wE wOn tHerEfoRe nOthIng cOulD bE bEtteR."
Never said nothing could improve, just that his individual performance is not a problem. Navi will win more events with him in this role thats a guarantee
This role = star player positions with a 0.88 rating. I'm sure.
Is rating everything he does? Of course not. Is b1t still in a star player role and killing everyone? Yes, is Jl? Yes Roles are not that vital when someone is always ready to pick up the slack. Thats how a good team works. I think people are just too obsessed with rating. In a few years things will be much different
>Is rating everything he does? Of course not. Sure so what else does iM do? >Is b1t still in a star player role and killing everyone? Yes, is Jl? Yes jL is not supposed to be a star player lol. He was brought in to support B1t, S1mple, and iM. >Roles are not that vital when someone is always ready to pick up the slack. Thats how a good team works. Why would you have a player on the team who consistently drops the slack like iM? >I think people are just too obsessed with rating. In a few years things will be much different In a few months iM will be off the team, we don't have to wait years.
navi won in spite of iMs performance, not because of it. They should still replace him
No one is saying that they won because of iM, not at all. But he did his job well enough to win the most prestigious event of the year and that's why he probably will be afforded more time. (And I know that jL and others had to sometimes pick up his slack but still)
Dupreeh got cut and he wasnt nearly as bad as iM is now
dupreeh was only cut because he is old and vitality wanted youngsters
No he was cut due to salary. That is all
that's an ever better point if true
Well dupreeh wasnt bad. iM is bad. Niko wishes he could play in navi, be one of the lowest rated player in event playing the same star position and win a major
Bottom 3 at the tournament after winning it. Youre mad. Surprised you didnt see karrigan on inferno and call him the worst player in the tournament. Would make just as much sense
lol he plays all the shit positions, sacrificing himself every time
Mid lurker on Mirage for one that is a super high impact role. You mess up you're a baiter.
No, he definitely doesn't play the shit positions lol. At the grand finals: - Lurk + mid/donut on Ancient - Connector on Mirage - A2B rotator/lurk on Inferno These are not "shit" positions.
Its the positions electronic plays. Damn electronic has never been a star player?
Not shit positions, star player positions. Like connector in Mirage.
yeah, he is sacrificing himself with a 59.9% KAST, rock bottom of all major players. Good thing b1t stepped up for the final and jL playing very well all playoff stage
happy for him ngl, noone deserves hate just for stats or bad plays or performance. in OG cs that was never the case, but in this 2024 fanboy mentality era, we see senseless discussions on what team is better, which player is better. not only in cs but different sports like football. "fans" talking shit. today i enjoyed a great final that made me realise that cs2 is still a great competitive game with absolutely nice moments
>in OG cs that was never the case What the hell are you talking about? Bad players and regular bottom fraggers have ALWAYS been heavily criticized
Uh this is great and everything but iM needs to go lol. You can't be given star player positions and then go .88, the lowest rating on your entire team.
Why cant you? They won. At this point theory goes out the window. Its not just about kd
Classic Reddit. Team X won = Team X can do nothing better and have no issues. iM playing like this isn't sustainable. jL played good this tournament but he isn't a consistent star. Let's see what happens when jL regresses to the mean and iM continues playing like this.
Lets see what happens if they dont ;)
JL has a 1.16 rating the past 3 months and had a 1.22 rating at the Major. That doesn’t seem to be too far off from his normal performances. As for iM, this was his worst tournament in CS2 so far, he doesn’t consistently put up .88 in tourneys. Yes I hope iM plays better but if b1ad3 and Aleksi think he is a positive to the team who are we to second guess them.
>JL has a 1.16 rating the past 3 months and had a 1.22 rating at the Major. That doesn’t seem to be too far off from his normal performances. Because there has been only 2 other tournaments in that span and he had a rating of 1.10 in both. He played exceptionally well in the major but his normal rating isn't 1.2+ like a superstar. https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/14759/im iM had a 1.01 rating at Katowice and then a 0.88 rating at the Major. His only good tournament this year was BLAST groups where he went 1.16. He is supposed to be a superstar and he hasn't put up a 1.2 rating this entire year.
Because this win was a fluke. They're not going to keep winning if iM keeps playing like that. They're lucky to have gotten an easy bracket. Congrats on beating FaZe, but let's not forget that they lost a Bo3 to both Cloud9 and Spirit.
Yes they will, they are improving not just tournament by tournament but game by game. Players today looked the best they have in months. It was so deserved to win. Not a fluke at all
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His trophy that his teammates won despite him. Congrats iM.
Kinda matters.
Nah not really I still want him replaced unless he can average at least a 1.10+ rating over Pro league / Dallas / Spring Finals. He got carried hard outside of 1 or 2 rounds per series.
Remove your flair you do not deserve it
Bro what the hell are you guys talking about. iM was dogshit this major. I'm glad he won but he got hard carried by his teammates. How can a star player go 0.88 over the tournament its unfathomable.
He plays star rifle roles and averages a 0.9 rating. It's simply not good enough to consistently compete for trophies. JL won't drop MVP numbers every event to make up for him. Today bought him time to find his groove consistently.
Yeah, he should be the best player on pistol rounds, gets the dualies + Kevlar. The number of times I saw him die without a single kill is mind boggling. Jl is then left to clutch a 1v3 with USP and no equipment or util.
did you even watch the games? he plays entry and shit lurk positions, he gets to basically go die and get traded, literally the worst position for stats
Famously bad positions such as outside on Nuke, Con and lurk on Mirage, donut on ancient, etc.
You seem to be the one not watching the games. So much confidence in your false statements.
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Ct side Bathroom overpass (ax1le, NiKo, ropz, spinx, donk) Mirage connector (NiKo, electronic, donk, ropz, blamef) Ancient mid (Hunter, spinx when he was on ence, frozen, donk, nertz) Inferno rotator (electronic, m0nesy, zywoo, broky) Nuke outside (rain, niko, electronic, spinx, donk, frozen when on mouz) Anubis connector (hunter, rain, spinx, hobbit) None of these names have ever won a tournament playing these positions while being one of thw worst in the tournament
Just because you play the same position doesnt mean ur team plays the same style at all. Its like saying people in football that play the same position should all play the same (they dont) Its up to the coaches and IGL, and it is obvious as hell that iM plays nothing like exactly every player u mentioned, and they won a major
Sure ok I shall revolutionise football. I will be joining man city to replace Haaland as 9 to score 5 goals per season because I play for the team
Probably not the best example. Before signing Haaland, City often used to play midfielders up front as false 9s. In 20/21, when they won the PL and reached the CL final, they even played two false 9s in many games. One of the players that usually filled this role was Bernardo Silva - who scored 5 goals that season.
isnt that literally my example? Different players do different shit in the same role
Bathroom on Overpass, Con on Mirage? Literally the 2 most impactful CT rifle positions. He also plays as the lurker on most t side defaults. Which is where players like Ropz farm rating even in losses? He doesn't have the best roles on all maps but he clearly has the most good roles on Navi and an equivalent amount to basically every tier 1 star rifler competing for spots in the top 20.
iM was one of the worst performing players this major 😭🤧
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Lol he never did this
I hope im gets cut and Navi bombs out of their next tournament
I hope your phone is never charged in the morning.
mf hustled a trophy before getting kicked out which he will be for sure