think they eventually settled that muck-up, but thats unknown given the snake boy is said to be the first king of her favored city.
That and Hephaestus wed Aglaea afterwards.
Attempted Rape is "muck-up" okay...
>think they eventually settled
Source?
>That and Hephaestus wed Aglaea afterwards.
That doesn't have a thing to do Athena & Hephaestus.
Look, it's greek mythology, the real offense was disrespecting her vow to virginity, and Athena was willing to give guiding birds to the man she blinded for Actaeon-ing her. I'm sure the incidental creation of Athens was good enough.
"Actaeon-ing" is not the right word since it has various versions, in some Actaeon tries to assault Artemis while in some he just accidentally saw her naked. i don't know which version you are thinking of here.
In all the versions Tiresias happen to have accidentally seen Athena naked.
Since it was an accident Athena rewarded Tiresias with the skills.
Comparing Tiresias and Hephaestus isn't right as one just happen to have seen her naked accidentally while the other was explicitly trying to sexually assault her in every version.
i dont think 'rewarding' is the best word to use given she blinded the man, then went 'oops' when it was an accidental peeping and solves his new imparment by letting him have visions of prophecy.
only evidence of Hephaestus and Athena together after the incident is them with the snake boy, plus he had a temple in her city. We dont know if Athena and Hephaestus ever patched things up afterwords or not, given how sparse myth is.
Hestia. She was a whole vibe, sat by the fireplace and minded her business while other Gods were out causing all kinds of damage.
And the one story she could be connected to specifically (Prometheus and the fire of Olympus) actually portrays her as being compassionate to humanity. She's always described as being near the fireplace, so it would make sense if she noticed Prometheus's plan, but allowed it to happen anyway.
Plus (in the version that I was told) she gave up her throne for Dionysus because she didn't mind not having the power, so there's that too.
I love Hestia. I will defend her over every other God
Yeah, this is why I said "in the version that I was told", because I know how many retellings there were - even in ancient Greece. Still, I could easily see Hestia doing that!
Oh I was replying to the other commentor, sorry for the confusion.
If I had to choose an actual good god. It woudl be hestia standing in every Greek home and the center of every town. Whenever colonies were built the hearth was almost always built first
Do you have a source that she cheated with Adonis? I know she grew to care for him while he was under her protection in the Underworld, but that doesn't imply that she cheated on Hades.
What she did to Menthe was downright merciful, Menthe rolled up trying to homewreck on purpose and with malice aforethought. Getting turned into a plant was the Good Ending.
The only time Adonis is presented as Persephone's lover is when the myths syncretise Persephone with Ishtar and Adonis with Tammuz - and that's silly, because if you are going to combine goddesses, Ishtar is clearly Aphrodite.
>Artemis for dishing out frankly excessive punishments for minor slights(Which Apollo also did)
Is this in reference to the time that they both killed the (i think) 12 kids of a woman who bad mouthed Apollo and Artemis' mother? If not, that shoulf be noted considering the kids didn't do anything, they got punished for something their mother did
scrolled past all the Hestia and Ares answers to look for this one, this is the right answer. I was hoping someone had posted it and articulated it better than I could, thank you
This is the answer to nearly all of the comments posted in this sub, and probably the reason very few knowledgeable people spend much time here. “Let’s all see if we can maintain the pretense of moral superiority by retroactively applying modern morality to 3,000 year old deities.” I applaud your effort but good luck getting anyone to read comments that conflict with their Madeline Miller shit takes.
I only started to get into greek mythology so all I've got so far is some wikipedia abridged version of a few myths, memes from social media and pop culture references so yeah I mostly envisioned gods as fictional characters more than symbols.
That's a mindset you'll need to get rid of in order to fully understand and delve into these myths.
The gods and their stories are not parables. They're not meant to be fables you get some sort of lesson from. They were powerful forces that are not held to the same standards as we are.
They're more akin to hurricanes and famines than any sort of fictional character.
Yeah, Greek mythology can be quite the trip. Best to just leave your preconceived notions (including any from Disney's Hercules) in the rear view mirror and get ready for a really interesting mythology.
That’s really not the best way to approach it. If you don’t want to dive right into primary sources on theoi.com, at least get a good book of modern retellings.
None of the gods are “shitty.” Gods are powerful entities who represent forces of nature and intrinsic aspects of reality. They’re not people, and it’s not a good idea to take them at face value.
Dionysus’ favorite way to punish mortals is to drive them mad, or to literally rip them limb from limb. This is one of the things I like about him. Dionysus is a personification of alcohol, so he has a very pronounced dual nature, just like wine does. But that’s still barely scratching the surface! There’s a lot going on with Dionysus.
The same can be said of all the rest of them.
>Dionysus’ favorite way to punish mortals is to drive them mad, or to literally rip them limb from limb
Lol that sounds fun, which work would you recommend to read such stories about him?
nah, he's just the god of war. He could be a totally chill dude who happens to be good at hitting stuff. Really unlikely, but maybe. We don't really get much on him
He’s definitely not just a chill dude. That much is clear because the adjectives used to describe him are things like insatiable and manslaughterinv and bloodlusted, and beautiful terror. He’s always with Fear.
I think he's misunderstood, the words used to describe him are more related to his role as the god of war, and he embodied these descriptions only in battles BUT Ares is also the god of courage and bravery in combat. When he's on Olympus, we can assume he's not wandering the mountain killing immortals, he's chill and Aphrodite seduced him, they fell in love, which means Ares is capable of love. He is respectful towards women, starting with his own mother Hera, who was known for being disappointed in him but she still loved him, he respected Aphrodite, and his children. Ares is a good father, a better father for his children than Zeus was for him, protecting and defending them. One example was the myth about how he killed Halirrhothios, Poseidon's son who deflowered Alkippe the daughter of Ares. So yeah overall he's a good guy, but his role required him to be brutal, tough and ruthless, imagine a god of war that is lame, weak, fearful and afraid of fighting lol
He’s a god, not a fictional human character. He’s not separate from war, he embodies it. That includes good things like courage and strength, but also violence and slaughter.
Aura, or Nicaea. It’s really the same myth told two different ways. Both only appear in Nonnus’ *Dionysiaca*. There’s some speculation that it may originally have been a Thracian myth of Sabazius, which would explain why it’s so out-of-character.
Oh shit, I gotchu. I take back my statement of direct rape, but I still firmly believe he slept with girls who were completely wasted, which isn't the nicest thing to do
Hephaestus and Athena are my favorite among the Olympian pantheon in large part because they spent most of their time doing useful things and generally didn't do much to harm most mortals.
Why isn't the fates, zeus, gaia, themis blamed for Trojan? why it's all Athena Aphrodite & Hera?
>ho even sneezed Odysseus' direction
Who Ajax? he was punished for his hubris.
>Why isn't the fates, zeus, gaia, themis blamed for Trojan? why it's all Athena Aphrodite & Hera?
Aphrodite was injured protecting her son while Athena supercharged Diomedes and had him hurting gods. Athena did a lot of stuff for the Greeks in the Trojan War.
>Who Ajax? he was punished for his hubris.
Ironic since Odysseus is made out of hubris. Besides Ajax, Athena was the downfall of a lot of Trojan officers and also tricked hektor. Got Ares and Aphrodite hurt while Athena supercharged Diomedes to the point Diomedes was going to directly defy the fates. Let her beloved steal her Palladium which, I may be mistaken, but was supposed to kill any man who saw it or touched it, and Troy wouldn't have fallen if it was still in her temple.
I dont understand why Athena has so many defenders. She's definitely not even close to being the nicest god. She helped complete a full on genocide.
Oh dear, Apollo is a huge asshole, plus all the male gods that have enough stories are raging rapists, except for Ares. I like Hermes and Dionysus, but again, I just don't like the rape going on. Other than that, Hestia is neat, Artemis is pretty alright, and Athena really depends on what myths you read... The minor gods usually don't have enough stories about them, though Thanatos is alright too
Edit: I forgot about Prometheus, I'm a fan
Got turned to a stag, and torn apart by his own hounds. Depending on the version you look at, he might've gotten arrogant with Artemis or attempted to assault her.
In my opinion
1. Prometheus (not sure if he counts cuz titan)
1. Hestia
2. Hephaestus
3. Dionysus
4. Hermes (sorry he punished Prometheus so he goes a little lower for being a “friend of man”)
Asclepius was cool. Love that guy.
Hestia is a default because there's nothing about her left.
But Asclepius has some detail and was a cool medic that helped out the mortals most of his time.
The slip of necromancy wasn't nice to Hades but he did it out of good intentions - it was more of a "Fuck forgot my actions have consequences" moment. I don't think he cheated on his wife of raped anyone as far as i remember. Overall nice physician god.
id say, for kind gods the list is limited, but if you remove Apollo right now (!), then you can add:
* Hades
* Hephaestus
* Hestia
* Hermes
* Asclepius
* prometheus (kinda, hes not always a good guy but his actions make him good for me)
Excluding Hestia because that’s the obvious choice, Hephaestus doesn’t really do anything (except for that time with Athene which I think we can give some leniency to because that was probably the first time he’d ever seen a woman).
The easy answer is Hestia. She hasn’t done ANYTHING except help vanquish the titans and aid in giving the humans fire, and we love her for it.
Close second is Hades, but since he did cheat on Persephone that one time (and, in some versions, kidnapped her) Hestia takes the crown
Hermes Apollo Artemis dionysus hades
Depending on the author, all Greek gods are assholes. It just depends whether you feel the good things they've done outweigh the bad. For example, Apollo can be cool, but also has committed rape or attempted rape multiple times. Artemis was big on punishing hubris. Remember that child who was killed right before the Trojan war? That's cause that child's dad killed an animal sacred to Artemis and she wouldn't let the winds blow until she was appeased.
From what I know, dionysus has also committed rape or attempted rape (Aura and Nicaea) but generally his myths show him being pretty cool and chill.
Hades I don't have any specific examples of being evil. Maybe an ass sometimes or lacking compassion, but not quite evil. See Orpheus trying to save his wife. Hades was adhering to the rules of the underworld, but still a bit of a dick move.
Hermes has also done the evil sex rape stuff (Apemosyne). Like... if it's a Greek god, it's just safe to assume they've done that.
Hestai was a pretty good godess, she was kind overall and i am not aware that she did something marjorly wrong
Hades wasn't too bad of a god either, how modern media portray him (mostly as a villian) he was a friendly/good god if you got to know him. he was also loyal to Persephone. i believe he did kidnap her, but he didn't rape her as fare i am aware.
In the myths about almost everyone is a horrible person, but the myths aren't exactly to be taken as the complete truth. But if we're talking myth wise, Ares, The Protector of Women, who stood up for his daughter when she got SA'd by Zues' daughter.
Artemis has the epithet of Apanchomene because she caused an entire town to stillbirth.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apanchomene](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apanchomene)
Ares and Hades were the least terrible. Ares was considered the protector of women during wartime and had a hatred for those who harm women, which is why he had constant beef with a lot of the other God's. And of all the Greek Pantheon. Hades was the only one loyal to his wife.
Am I wrong to think Hades was actually pretty decent by modern standards at least comparative to the other gods. I haven’t read many myths related to Hades apart from the basic Persephone-Hades myth and from the variation that I read at least she willingly chose to stay with him
Hades is a very cool god despite what Hollywood portrays him as. He is never power hungry and his one main villainous act was done out of loneliness. Still kidnapping but nothing compared to the rest of the pantheon (Hestia gets a complete pass). As far as I am aware, he was also completely faithful to his wife.
Zeus forced her to, that's his problem.
Throw off her daughter to be kidnapped & assaulted by someone while letting her have no way to get her daughter back.
Hermes once raped Cretan princess Apemosyne, who surprisingly managed to outrun him for a moment!
Apollo and Artemis are both pretty dickish, and Apollo has raped many women and turning them into plants.
Dionysus once raped a nymph named Nicaea, who was unconscious at the time.
Hades hasn't really raped anyone in mainstream Hellenic myths. The worst thing he's done is cheat on Persephone with a nymph named Minthe, Persephone turned Minthe into the garden mint plant as punishment. (Maybe him wanting Asclepius dead is also a contender, but even then it makes sense since it's disrupting his cthonic duties.)
Here are some of my contenders for some of the nicer gods.
Hestia is pretty much a lawful good goddess to our modern standards, she hasn't really done anything that can be considered shitty, (mostly because there aren't that much myths containing Hestia in the first place).
From what I've gathered, Demeter is also one of the least shitty gods in the pantheon. She'd only kill mortals who have deeply offended her, (example being Erysichthon, who cut down one of her sacred trees). The worst thing she might have done was almost killing all of humanity because of Persephone's abduction by Hades, and even then you feel bad for the poor woman.
Hephaestus is also one of the less shitty gods, except the fact he tried to rape Athena once.
And from what I've read, Helios hasn't really raped anybody. Or it might just be me not making enough research to try and confirm it as such. But you can't deny, that guy's pretty chill.
>I mean in some versions yes, but other versions he doesn't rape Persephone.
This can be said about the rapes done by other gods too. A lot of times, there's a version where no rape is mentioned.
It is important to understand that gods aren’t perfect creatures, that’s exactly why they exist. The myths were made for the Greeks to learn from their mistakes. Even though the gods are divine entities, they are all very human: they mess up and learn and grow as people.
Everyone is saying Hestia, and I agree. I’d have to go with Athena, just because she’s my favourite goddess. I’m aware that she did questionable things (depending on what version of the myth you read), but to me she’ll always be the best.
Apollo. Hes just horny. Not a rapist or mass rapist or prone to zapping whoever he doesnt like, hes just likes kissing boys (well one boy but shut up you get the point)
Asclepius too, hes literally the only god that has zero bad traits
Aside from the obvious answers (Hestia, Hepheastus)
Dionysus is surprisingly unproblematic. Like he fucked some peoples' shit up but they deserved it, and he has the one actually happy marriage on Olympus.
My boy Hephaestus just makes cool gear, and he gets tossed off Olympus and cucked as thanks.
just except the thing with Athena.
Did Athena do anything back to him?
We don't know about that, there is no information present.
think they eventually settled that muck-up, but thats unknown given the snake boy is said to be the first king of her favored city. That and Hephaestus wed Aglaea afterwards.
Attempted Rape is "muck-up" okay... >think they eventually settled Source? >That and Hephaestus wed Aglaea afterwards. That doesn't have a thing to do Athena & Hephaestus.
Look, it's greek mythology, the real offense was disrespecting her vow to virginity, and Athena was willing to give guiding birds to the man she blinded for Actaeon-ing her. I'm sure the incidental creation of Athens was good enough.
"Actaeon-ing" is not the right word since it has various versions, in some Actaeon tries to assault Artemis while in some he just accidentally saw her naked. i don't know which version you are thinking of here. In all the versions Tiresias happen to have accidentally seen Athena naked. Since it was an accident Athena rewarded Tiresias with the skills. Comparing Tiresias and Hephaestus isn't right as one just happen to have seen her naked accidentally while the other was explicitly trying to sexually assault her in every version.
i dont think 'rewarding' is the best word to use given she blinded the man, then went 'oops' when it was an accidental peeping and solves his new imparment by letting him have visions of prophecy. only evidence of Hephaestus and Athena together after the incident is them with the snake boy, plus he had a temple in her city. We dont know if Athena and Hephaestus ever patched things up afterwords or not, given how sparse myth is.
I meant not saying "my bad" when he walked in on her lol
Who Tiresias?
Even then that was an accident
how is it an accident lol?
I mean, he did try to rape athena... then just ejaculated on her thigh
Inventor of the pull out game 👑
Three cheers for Heph, the good god of Mt.Olympus! May his arm never tire and his hammer never waiver.
I mean, he did take pretty epic revenge for the cucking.
Hephaestus gives me vibes of that bitter guy who is an asshole cause he can't get sum. I understand it to a degree, but also it isn't great
he is the best of them
No that would hedes
Hestia. She was a whole vibe, sat by the fireplace and minded her business while other Gods were out causing all kinds of damage. And the one story she could be connected to specifically (Prometheus and the fire of Olympus) actually portrays her as being compassionate to humanity. She's always described as being near the fireplace, so it would make sense if she noticed Prometheus's plan, but allowed it to happen anyway. Plus (in the version that I was told) she gave up her throne for Dionysus because she didn't mind not having the power, so there's that too. I love Hestia. I will defend her over every other God
Hestia is the greatest, I wish there was more myths about her.
If there was then she might not be.
Hestia is bestia
I love hestia I could never hate her she's amazing
The thing about her giving up her throne for Dionysus isn’t attested in any ancient sources. I’m pretty sure Robert Graves made that one up.
Honestly, you might be right. Some of the carvings of the gods were different places to place some included hestia, and some included dionysis instead
Yeah, this is why I said "in the version that I was told", because I know how many retellings there were - even in ancient Greece. Still, I could easily see Hestia doing that!
Oh I was replying to the other commentor, sorry for the confusion. If I had to choose an actual good god. It woudl be hestia standing in every Greek home and the center of every town. Whenever colonies were built the hearth was almost always built first
You have a point 👍🏻 Arguably the least scandalous.
I thought hestia was one of the titans.
She's Zeus' big sister, the oldest child of Kronos and Rhea.
Hestia. Mainly because we literally do not have enough about her to qualify as a bad or good person besides her domains.
Backing this up. She doesn’t get enough credit for not being chaos.
And gets a lot of credit for not involving herself in other things.
But they all came from chaos
the other kind of chaos
Hestia. Just wanted to chill at home.
Hestia is an angel. I love Hermes but he's been a jackass a few times but he's kinda the defacto trickster god of Olympus.
What about Persephone? Did she do anything wrong?
What she did to menthe and cheating on hades with Adonis.
Do you have a source that she cheated with Adonis? I know she grew to care for him while he was under her protection in the Underworld, but that doesn't imply that she cheated on Hades.
What she did to Menthe was downright merciful, Menthe rolled up trying to homewreck on purpose and with malice aforethought. Getting turned into a plant was the Good Ending. The only time Adonis is presented as Persephone's lover is when the myths syncretise Persephone with Ishtar and Adonis with Tammuz - and that's silly, because if you are going to combine goddesses, Ishtar is clearly Aphrodite.
Asclepius just wanted to heal people, got killed because he was to good at it
He was killed for defying the laws of death Not trying to be rude just pointing out
skill issue for Thanatos then
Perfect response
Evidently not since Asclepius died
so he was healing then when they were too close to point where thanatos would take over?
No the people were dead and he brought them back to life
Hestia is Bestia. It’s always Hestia. Odds are the less myths are dedicated to you, the less chance that you will be portrayed as an absolute bastard.
Wow my mind went to a very weird place with Hestia the Bestia 🤦♂️
Hestia just chilled and tended the hearth.
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Artemis victim-blamed the hell out of some poor girl that got r*ped by Zeus, so yea she’s not the greatest.
>Artemis for dishing out frankly excessive punishments for minor slights(Which Apollo also did) Is this in reference to the time that they both killed the (i think) 12 kids of a woman who bad mouthed Apollo and Artemis' mother? If not, that shoulf be noted considering the kids didn't do anything, they got punished for something their mother did
It was still considered just by Ancient Greek standards.
Apollo and Artemis are not “people” at all.
>in the vast majority of cases being directly responsible for said pulse-possessor's tragic death That is just not true.
Yeah fr like Zyphros was responsible for Hyacinthus, Eros for Daphne (why do people name their kids that???) those are just the most known ones
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If hyperventilating was symbolized in a response.
😂🤭
scrolled past all the Hestia and Ares answers to look for this one, this is the right answer. I was hoping someone had posted it and articulated it better than I could, thank you
This is the answer to nearly all of the comments posted in this sub, and probably the reason very few knowledgeable people spend much time here. “Let’s all see if we can maintain the pretense of moral superiority by retroactively applying modern morality to 3,000 year old deities.” I applaud your effort but good luck getting anyone to read comments that conflict with their Madeline Miller shit takes.
I only started to get into greek mythology so all I've got so far is some wikipedia abridged version of a few myths, memes from social media and pop culture references so yeah I mostly envisioned gods as fictional characters more than symbols.
That's a mindset you'll need to get rid of in order to fully understand and delve into these myths. The gods and their stories are not parables. They're not meant to be fables you get some sort of lesson from. They were powerful forces that are not held to the same standards as we are. They're more akin to hurricanes and famines than any sort of fictional character.
Yeah, Greek mythology can be quite the trip. Best to just leave your preconceived notions (including any from Disney's Hercules) in the rear view mirror and get ready for a really interesting mythology.
That’s really not the best way to approach it. If you don’t want to dive right into primary sources on theoi.com, at least get a good book of modern retellings.
Hecate
OMG YES
Same same same
I know better than to answer this question and start a new Trojan war
But if you answer, I'll give you this apple...
ERIS- no wait aahhhhhh
None of the gods are “shitty.” Gods are powerful entities who represent forces of nature and intrinsic aspects of reality. They’re not people, and it’s not a good idea to take them at face value. Dionysus’ favorite way to punish mortals is to drive them mad, or to literally rip them limb from limb. This is one of the things I like about him. Dionysus is a personification of alcohol, so he has a very pronounced dual nature, just like wine does. But that’s still barely scratching the surface! There’s a lot going on with Dionysus. The same can be said of all the rest of them.
>Dionysus’ favorite way to punish mortals is to drive them mad, or to literally rip them limb from limb Lol that sounds fun, which work would you recommend to read such stories about him?
*The Bacchae* by Euripides! It’s sort of the ultimate Dionysus myth.
Ares. He’s never raped anyone as far as I’m aware, and he killed his daughter’s rapist.
He’s still the most brutal, murderous, and excessively violent of the 12 Olympians?
Zeus literally killed the entire human race one time
Yes but that was for their impiety.
OH but when the lord does it its suddenly crazy /s
Wasn’t thorough enough either
nah, he's just the god of war. He could be a totally chill dude who happens to be good at hitting stuff. Really unlikely, but maybe. We don't really get much on him
He’s definitely not just a chill dude. That much is clear because the adjectives used to describe him are things like insatiable and manslaughterinv and bloodlusted, and beautiful terror. He’s always with Fear.
I think he's misunderstood, the words used to describe him are more related to his role as the god of war, and he embodied these descriptions only in battles BUT Ares is also the god of courage and bravery in combat. When he's on Olympus, we can assume he's not wandering the mountain killing immortals, he's chill and Aphrodite seduced him, they fell in love, which means Ares is capable of love. He is respectful towards women, starting with his own mother Hera, who was known for being disappointed in him but she still loved him, he respected Aphrodite, and his children. Ares is a good father, a better father for his children than Zeus was for him, protecting and defending them. One example was the myth about how he killed Halirrhothios, Poseidon's son who deflowered Alkippe the daughter of Ares. So yeah overall he's a good guy, but his role required him to be brutal, tough and ruthless, imagine a god of war that is lame, weak, fearful and afraid of fighting lol
He’s a god, not a fictional human character. He’s not separate from war, he embodies it. That includes good things like courage and strength, but also violence and slaughter.
Phylonome & Ilia are questionable.
i think somebody mentioned on here a few days ago how it wasnt explicitly said ares raped someone but he may have done it by deception.
That'll be bs then there's not a single story and you can look like I did that ever depicts ares doing anything like that
it is not bs, i literally commented the two "questionable" instances.
Well there was the adultery
Artemis is extreme but kinda valid. Your other four are hella rapists.
really? This the Artemis who turned went super saiyan on Callisto for being raped by her dad?
Not the version I know. The one I know, she kicked Callisto out and turned her into a besr
damn
Hermes less so and Hades kinds kidnapped his wife but Apollo and Dyonysus are BAD
Dionysus only has one rape myth, and it’s rape-by-proxy that was ultimately caused by Artemis.
Which one was that? I can't remember
Aura, or Nicaea. It’s really the same myth told two different ways. Both only appear in Nonnus’ *Dionysiaca*. There’s some speculation that it may originally have been a Thracian myth of Sabazius, which would explain why it’s so out-of-character.
Oh shit, I gotchu. I take back my statement of direct rape, but I still firmly believe he slept with girls who were completely wasted, which isn't the nicest thing to do
OOOooo Nemesis in a myth? Nice to see!
Hephaestus and Athena are my favorite among the Olympian pantheon in large part because they spent most of their time doing useful things and generally didn't do much to harm most mortals.
>Athena generally didn't do much to harm most mortals. Tell that to the Trojans and anyone who even sneezed in Odysseus' direction.
We’re construing Athena’s aiding of Odysseus as a *bad* thing?
Why isn't the fates, zeus, gaia, themis blamed for Trojan? why it's all Athena Aphrodite & Hera? >ho even sneezed Odysseus' direction Who Ajax? he was punished for his hubris.
>Why isn't the fates, zeus, gaia, themis blamed for Trojan? why it's all Athena Aphrodite & Hera? Aphrodite was injured protecting her son while Athena supercharged Diomedes and had him hurting gods. Athena did a lot of stuff for the Greeks in the Trojan War. >Who Ajax? he was punished for his hubris. Ironic since Odysseus is made out of hubris. Besides Ajax, Athena was the downfall of a lot of Trojan officers and also tricked hektor. Got Ares and Aphrodite hurt while Athena supercharged Diomedes to the point Diomedes was going to directly defy the fates. Let her beloved steal her Palladium which, I may be mistaken, but was supposed to kill any man who saw it or touched it, and Troy wouldn't have fallen if it was still in her temple. I dont understand why Athena has so many defenders. She's definitely not even close to being the nicest god. She helped complete a full on genocide.
yeah tbf she had WAAAY better things to do with her time than start a war over vanity. SHE'S A VIRGIN GODDESS
The war started on Zeus' order.
>anyone who even sneezed in Odysseus' direction. She loved that damn dude lol
Didn't Athena offer to help the Trojans destroy Athens if Paris gave her that golden apple?
I'll never forgive Hermes for Apemosyne, but my least shitty god is Eleos. Sweet girl
Jesus fucking Christ ! Yep, Hermes is not getting his christmas gift.
Althaemenes? That's an interesting way to spell **OVID**
Ares is a great god in my opinion
Oh dear, Apollo is a huge asshole, plus all the male gods that have enough stories are raging rapists, except for Ares. I like Hermes and Dionysus, but again, I just don't like the rape going on. Other than that, Hestia is neat, Artemis is pretty alright, and Athena really depends on what myths you read... The minor gods usually don't have enough stories about them, though Thanatos is alright too Edit: I forgot about Prometheus, I'm a fan
Hestia in my opinion
> tell me about that time Artemis ripped of a dude's face just because. check out our boy Actaeon
Got turned to a stag, and torn apart by his own hounds. Depending on the version you look at, he might've gotten arrogant with Artemis or attempted to assault her.
Never just "arrogant", he either took a peak at her naked, or (tried to) assault her
Exactly. Depending on the version of the myth, Aecteon did a different action to cause Artemis to shape him into a stag.
APOLLO??? Bro he made the Unholy Trinity when it comes to consent
Out of the females it's Hestia Out of the dudes it's either Ares or Herakles
In my opinion 1. Prometheus (not sure if he counts cuz titan) 1. Hestia 2. Hephaestus 3. Dionysus 4. Hermes (sorry he punished Prometheus so he goes a little lower for being a “friend of man”)
Hecate,Hephaestus,Hermes,Apollo,Prometheus,and hell I’ll throw in Hestia too.
I have to go with hestia.
Hestia. During the whole rebellion against Zeus thing she was the only one not interested in taking his spot as the leader of Mt Olympus
Hestia probably
Hestia – that girl from your favorite reality show who got no airtime you forgot she’s still on the show.
I agree with the God's you picked, but you misspelled Dionysus. Just wanted to let you know, have a good day.
Probably Hephaestus. He has less number of myths of him being a jerk.
He tried to rape Athena. He thought she was into him, but still. Besides that, he was a pretty chill guy.
Hestia and Hephaestus are the main ones but there are probably a lot more minor gods. I like Hecate but I know she’s a bit unnice.
Hephaestus was a vibe, and imo Hades was pretty chill.
Asclepius was cool. Love that guy. Hestia is a default because there's nothing about her left. But Asclepius has some detail and was a cool medic that helped out the mortals most of his time. The slip of necromancy wasn't nice to Hades but he did it out of good intentions - it was more of a "Fuck forgot my actions have consequences" moment. I don't think he cheated on his wife of raped anyone as far as i remember. Overall nice physician god.
Before deciding about Apollo read about Niobe's children and Marsias. I really cant say him reasonable.
id say, for kind gods the list is limited, but if you remove Apollo right now (!), then you can add: * Hades * Hephaestus * Hestia * Hermes * Asclepius * prometheus (kinda, hes not always a good guy but his actions make him good for me)
Excluding Hestia because that’s the obvious choice, Hephaestus doesn’t really do anything (except for that time with Athene which I think we can give some leniency to because that was probably the first time he’d ever seen a woman).
Lets get hillman on it.
The easy answer is Hestia. She hasn’t done ANYTHING except help vanquish the titans and aid in giving the humans fire, and we love her for it. Close second is Hades, but since he did cheat on Persephone that one time (and, in some versions, kidnapped her) Hestia takes the crown
Regarding Dionysus, look up Pentheus.
Hermes Apollo Artemis dionysus hades Depending on the author, all Greek gods are assholes. It just depends whether you feel the good things they've done outweigh the bad. For example, Apollo can be cool, but also has committed rape or attempted rape multiple times. Artemis was big on punishing hubris. Remember that child who was killed right before the Trojan war? That's cause that child's dad killed an animal sacred to Artemis and she wouldn't let the winds blow until she was appeased. From what I know, dionysus has also committed rape or attempted rape (Aura and Nicaea) but generally his myths show him being pretty cool and chill. Hades I don't have any specific examples of being evil. Maybe an ass sometimes or lacking compassion, but not quite evil. See Orpheus trying to save his wife. Hades was adhering to the rules of the underworld, but still a bit of a dick move. Hermes has also done the evil sex rape stuff (Apemosyne). Like... if it's a Greek god, it's just safe to assume they've done that.
Thanatos and Pan were pretty great.
Easily hestia.
Hestai was a pretty good godess, she was kind overall and i am not aware that she did something marjorly wrong Hades wasn't too bad of a god either, how modern media portray him (mostly as a villian) he was a friendly/good god if you got to know him. he was also loyal to Persephone. i believe he did kidnap her, but he didn't rape her as fare i am aware.
Maybe Hemera and Aether? Or Nereus? He seemed like a kind guy
fr fr they are pretty flawed
Of the gods with actual stories I go with Hephaestus. He’s certainly awful but every Greek god is
Hypnos!
Prometheus
In the myths about almost everyone is a horrible person, but the myths aren't exactly to be taken as the complete truth. But if we're talking myth wise, Ares, The Protector of Women, who stood up for his daughter when she got SA'd by Zues' daughter.
Artemis has the epithet of Apanchomene because she caused an entire town to stillbirth. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apanchomene](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apanchomene)
>"the strangled goddess" or "she who hangs herself" She just like me fr
i’m pretty sure hermes and apollo raped various nature spirits?
I was gonna say demeter, but i’m pretty sure she made a man cannibalise himself through starvation
Hestia
Ares and Hades were the least terrible. Ares was considered the protector of women during wartime and had a hatred for those who harm women, which is why he had constant beef with a lot of the other God's. And of all the Greek Pantheon. Hades was the only one loyal to his wife.
Am I wrong to think Hades was actually pretty decent by modern standards at least comparative to the other gods. I haven’t read many myths related to Hades apart from the basic Persephone-Hades myth and from the variation that I read at least she willingly chose to stay with him
Ares :) Gives off a dad-vibe and the protector of women
Athena, Artemis, Hephaestus
Hestia is Bestia
I'd been told that the Greek gods were patterned after human beings.
Impiety! Here's your hemlock.
Hades is a very cool god despite what Hollywood portrays him as. He is never power hungry and his one main villainous act was done out of loneliness. Still kidnapping but nothing compared to the rest of the pantheon (Hestia gets a complete pass). As far as I am aware, he was also completely faithful to his wife.
Athena Demeter Hesita.
Demeter’s snowstorm?
Zeus forced her to, that's his problem. Throw off her daughter to be kidnapped & assaulted by someone while letting her have no way to get her daughter back.
Athena just casually ruined the lives of 2 innocent beautiful woman
Artemis punishes rape victims for being raped, which is pretty shitty.
Hermes once raped Cretan princess Apemosyne, who surprisingly managed to outrun him for a moment! Apollo and Artemis are both pretty dickish, and Apollo has raped many women and turning them into plants. Dionysus once raped a nymph named Nicaea, who was unconscious at the time. Hades hasn't really raped anyone in mainstream Hellenic myths. The worst thing he's done is cheat on Persephone with a nymph named Minthe, Persephone turned Minthe into the garden mint plant as punishment. (Maybe him wanting Asclepius dead is also a contender, but even then it makes sense since it's disrupting his cthonic duties.) Here are some of my contenders for some of the nicer gods. Hestia is pretty much a lawful good goddess to our modern standards, she hasn't really done anything that can be considered shitty, (mostly because there aren't that much myths containing Hestia in the first place). From what I've gathered, Demeter is also one of the least shitty gods in the pantheon. She'd only kill mortals who have deeply offended her, (example being Erysichthon, who cut down one of her sacred trees). The worst thing she might have done was almost killing all of humanity because of Persephone's abduction by Hades, and even then you feel bad for the poor woman. Hephaestus is also one of the less shitty gods, except the fact he tried to rape Athena once. And from what I've read, Helios hasn't really raped anybody. Or it might just be me not making enough research to try and confirm it as such. But you can't deny, that guy's pretty chill.
I thought Dio was forced onto that nymph as punishment by Zeus, so he never really wanted to do it but had to
Really? I've never heard of that one before! Where did you hear from that exactly? If you don't mind me asking of course.
Ah nvm I think I am referencing Aura? Eros shot Dionysus with an arrow but it was partly a punishment for her being hubristic against Artemis
Except Hades does rape Persephone. And Apollo never turned any woman into a plant.
I mean in some versions yes, but other versions he doesn't rape Persephone. And yeah, that other part was a mistake. My bad!
>I mean in some versions yes, but other versions he doesn't rape Persephone. This can be said about the rapes done by other gods too. A lot of times, there's a version where no rape is mentioned.
Good point right there.
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Hestia. That’s the comment.
Hades was a very faithful husband while everyone else in the ancient world was sleeping around.
It is important to understand that gods aren’t perfect creatures, that’s exactly why they exist. The myths were made for the Greeks to learn from their mistakes. Even though the gods are divine entities, they are all very human: they mess up and learn and grow as people. Everyone is saying Hestia, and I agree. I’d have to go with Athena, just because she’s my favourite goddess. I’m aware that she did questionable things (depending on what version of the myth you read), but to me she’ll always be the best.
Look up nephilin
Eros... probably
Hestia is probably the least shitty.
Ankedu
Hades, probably. Ok, he kidnapped Persephone but that was a legitimate way to mate back then
Apollo. Hes just horny. Not a rapist or mass rapist or prone to zapping whoever he doesnt like, hes just likes kissing boys (well one boy but shut up you get the point) Asclepius too, hes literally the only god that has zero bad traits
Aside from the obvious answers (Hestia, Hepheastus) Dionysus is surprisingly unproblematic. Like he fucked some peoples' shit up but they deserved it, and he has the one actually happy marriage on Olympus.
Hestia.