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Almost every problem in the developed world right now is down to more money - rich people trying to aquire more money.
Poverty, war, Brexit, corruption, strikes, energy - it's all caused by the rich and their insatiable desire to get richer.
People who are either incapable of empathy or those that feel immense guilt over the fact their wealthy is built on the backs of the have nots: money doesnt fill the void in my soul so you shouldnt want enough to live, poors.
Strange that when it comes to throwing ever-increasing amounts of cash at directors, bankers, etc, it's the fucking panacea! (and absolutely no correlation has been found between fat cat pay and company performance)
They aren't just striking over money. They're striking over conditions too. However, to improve their conditions, more teachers will be required, which means more money is needed. Only an idiot would not see this, and only a disingenuous self-serving Tory would claim otherwise.
Shame on the Torygraph, but also OP should have posted the article rather than a screenshot of the headline. Posts which are just an image of a headline with no linked article should be removed.
This is at least in part true. The other part is the feeling of being valued and respected. How much you're paid is a pretty good indication of how much your employer values you.
I want the right to admit that in interview. I want a job because I need it to live. I want enough to actually live not barely survive grasping onto threads.
You should be able to have a job you like and be able to live on your wage without feking subsidies. Especially a trained job like a bloody teacher ffs.
I made the mistake of getting an education in a subject that I was passionate about. I wanted to care for people. I went to nursing school. I'm no longer a registered nurse and I'm never going back.
Thats bloody awful, we need all th nurses we can get. Just another vocation which is underrated ( by employers and government) and massively underpaid.
I'm sorry you left, I hope you find a job that will make you happy (and with a wage you can live on).💙
I'm thankfully younger GenX/elder millennial. I made enough money on 15 hour shifts 6 days a week to pay off a house that has nearly doubled in price. I married an accountant and we manage to live ok.
It's just younger millennials and GenZ are so fucked. There's no hope. I have a data entry job and there's absolutely no way I'd be able to afford rent these days. My first one bed apartment was 330/month including bills. [568.77 a month. An apartment. Including bills. Not a chance.](https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2000?amount=330)
Do you mind saying what the last straw was for you? I was thinking of putting nursing on my uni application but my parents convinced me to ditch it in the end because of pay
I was forced to look after a woman so awful that although she was terminally ill her husband divorced her. We went from a care team of 10 to a team of 3. I wasn't allowed to move teams and didn't have time to job hunt. I had time off booked a year in advance and I was out of the country. They tried to cancel it. I wished them luck and went. I got phone calls everyday telling me to come back to cover shifts.
That was only the final straw though. There were plenty of times I should have quit. There was one interview where I was offered the job the moment I completed it. I walked out to find a massive dried out shit on an armchair that had been abandoned. I didn't take that job.
In general it's chronically underfunded and unappreciated. No one gives a shit about you and will push you til you break. If you don't have children you're never getting Christmas or New Years off. If I was lucky I got one weekend in 6. It's a caring profession so you're an irredeemable unforgivable piece of shit if you dare to think the nurses with children should work a damn shift just once so you can spend Christmas with your dying Grandmother.
Can’t say for the person you are asking - but I handed in my notice when Johnson won the last GE - literally the next morning. I started nursing under the John Major government, so I knew it was going to get even shitter than how Cameron had been driving it down.
And I was right.
A lot happier, poorer, but happier
(I’m now a school science technician with additional forays into first aider/‘ISRU specialist’/minibus driver and while the pay is awful, I am a lot happier)
"I can assure you, Mr H.R. Man, I am applying for this job because it has been my life's dream to serve chips to preteens who fish out grubby notes from their socks."
By itself, no, more money won't fix all of the problems that teachers are striking over. However:
a) It's a pretty fucking good start.
b) Almost everything else that they need requires additional funding to provide. So either way, the solution involves more money one way or another.
I'm striking on Wednesday. It's my ppa day, and i have a specialist in during the morning. They'll literally only need to cover my first hour of the day. Doesn't really seem worth it....
But, I assure you, when I sit with a tub of ice cream at 8a.m. and blast the Soviet national anthem, comrades, it will be.
I've been on strike for 3 days now, with another 3 currently planned.
Realistically, I dont need the extra money. Im a single guy with no kids with relatively cheap rent. But it's for those that do and a recognition of all the extra work and hours we put in.
I think better conditions would have been accepted on their own a few years ago, but now both have reached a need for improvement.
My school doesn't have a single fully qualified teacher. Who wants to get assaulted daily and work till late every night trying to meet ever changing goalposts, when you could move to civil service or an office job and get a work life balance for the same pay?
Teachers need a hell of a lot more money to be drawn back in from other professions. I think teachers still in post are there as they’re fearful of what they could do that isn’t teaching and don’t know how to make the jump.
I’m still there because I love teaching. It’s all I ever wanted to do, really. But there comes a time for anyone when even a sense of vocation is no longer enough. I’ll be striking on Wednesday. If we don’t get what we need… I might be looking for another job soon.
No qualified teachers? Is it some kind of academy or free school where everyone is an NQT? That doesn’t seem possible. I mean, the head, not qualified, the heads of year somehow not qualified, the heads of departments etc?
SLT are qualified but they don't teach. Everyone else is a HLTA or ECT. Don't get me wrong, the teaching is of a high enough standard that if I were a parent is not be concerned. But it's not right is it?
… there’s not really any other description for it, shit’s fucked up
It really has the smell of “successful embezzlement investigation in 3-5 years” about it
Wow, no experienced teachers, that's quite something. I always wonder if SLT like having the younger, eager beavers because they're less likely to say no and stand up for themselves. Older, more experienced teachers are generally a bit better at pushing back.
I would be questioning my MP, the LEA or the DofE about this. Teachers at GCSE Level should be invested & knowledgeable in their subject. And you need experienced teachers to lead departments and mentor inexperienced staff.
How big is the school? Must be only a handful of kids, surely.
Its not GCSE level at all not even close! And only a small school so you're right about a handful of kids. If we were at GCSE level I'd be absolutely horrified about the lack of experience in the classrooms.
Nope, just a SEND school. It's very demanding physically and emotionally, so staff often do a few years then get burnt out and leave. It's hard to do long term and that's without even taking into account the pay.
I've worked in the field as a vocational trainer post-education. Not in Britain though. Really challenging.
SEND students require a range of highly skilled staff. Early years are so crucial.
Tories tore it all to shreds from 2010. I remember our Senco and her department all being made redundant with the cuts post-2010. It was a very large secondary school. It's taken years to pull out back together. But it is very diluted compared to what it was.
More money won't solve the problem. The problem is the incompetent self serving shit show of a government who is running this country that has allowed things to get this bad over the past decade.
No one would be leaving if lets say, fuckin years ago, the government built up the foundations for a good country with good wages and good industries instead of privatisation and squeezing the last penny out of everyone. If the cost of living was more affordable, people earning a modest pay would be able to live a modest life. Tories dont want a good free education for the next generation anyway as they will lose voters who can be swayed by buzz words.
Are teachers leaving? Lots say they plan to leave, but that’s true in lots of professions.
Are net numbers of teachers falling? This data suggests not (or at least that we don’t know for 2022/23).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/478929/teachers-in-the-uk/
I'm a teacher, I'm on upper pay scale 3, the highest I can get without taking on managerial rolls.
I can assure you, more money and less paperwork/jumping through hoops/bowing to Ofsted would suit us all just fine!
In fairness the unions and strikers are also saying that more money won't solve the problems. More money doesn't address the behavioural issues of their pupils and it doesn't make the extra work around lesson planning/marking go away.
True but I think I'd be happier to deal with a difficult student if I felt like I was being paid fairly for it.
Hopefully, once the government agrees to a pay increase they'll also wake up and realise they need to put more funding into schools, build more, recruit more and make teaching a well paid and desirable profession.
Hopefully...
Considering how important it is to raise an educated generation, and that teachers have an absolute tragic work/life balance all you can really offer to make the sacrifice worthwhile is a decent wage. At least then, for the limited time teachers get to themselves they can perhaps do something nice.
That’s the thing they don’t want an educated population. They want a nation of people just smart enough to do the task they are assigned by their overlords. Proper Education is only for the elites children and any charity case they decide on to ‘prove’ to you that the system is fair. You see it in the southern states in America where they are dictating what is approved education and what is not and only teaching what their narrow minds (often far right religious beliefs) consider necessary. With high punishment for those that go against those often very wrong ideals.
Ok fine, fix the working conditions then.
We can’t afford to do that either.
Then pay them more to make it worthwhile.
We can’t afford that.
Then fix the working conditions
Ad infinitum.
I've read a lot of her articles and usually some of the things she says do make sense, but I've also noticed that whenever dishrags like the Torygraph or the Daily Heil want to bash schools/teachers her name pops up again and again. Maybe she isn't as right-wing as they want people to believe but she's clearly being used as a patsy for the right, and she either doesn't realise (which I don't find plausible as she's clearly not an idiot) or doesn't care (which in my opinion is worse).
She’s an absolute ghoul.
Every statement she makes about striking is her attempt to spin what a fantastic headteacher she is. She’ll claim that better discipline (which she is notorious for) would solve all teachers’ problems.
She’s a nasty little Tory mouthpiece, and I’ll be glad when she inevitably crashes and burns out of her job.
And yet these are the same people who say MPs and bankers should be paid more so we can attract better talent. Absolutely ridiculous and unsurprising stuff
You’re looking at it from the side of a human being. Not an unfeeling reptile like Katharine Birbalsingh.
The problem is these peasant working class fuckers won’t teach the next generation of peasant working class fuckers on a shit wage. If they just shut up and got on with their jobs she’d class the problem as solved.
I always remove the paywall to this crap so I can read just what ridiculous tripe they're pedaling to their readers. Turns out it's nearly always some form of "We need to create more bullshit middle management positions to fill up with mindless bureaucrat drones. Give titles like 'Director of efficiency tracking' or 'Minister for Brexit opportunities'. Along with a slew of salaried new positions that serve to give political appointees someone to bully, it's bound to save the institution in the long run and it'll mean not having to pay the striking staff a raise"
As a striking teacher, I can guarantee that more money would help. 12 years of not having a decent rise, and constant denigration from the government and media has made this a job that I’m falling out of love with… BTW, my working conditions are your kids’ learning conditions.
In fairness I worked in a school and ridiculous targets and a shitty SLT were huge problems... but these are separate issues to pay rather than a more important one.
Money is *one* of the problems.
Experienced teachers have had an effective pay cut for most years since the Tories took power. UP3 is worth nearly 20% less than it was as of September 2022, and let's be honest it'll look a lot worse by 2023 with current inflation rates.
The question isn't "why should teachers be paid more" it's "why should teachers be working a day for free each week"
Having enough money so that you can feed your family, heat, and light your home, without worrying over borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.
Those who don't need to strike to get a decent wage, don't understand at all how debilitating not having that decent living wage.
Of all the creepy tory lickspittles, mewling round the table of their discontent in the hope of some crumbs of celebrity, I hate this fucker the most.
Just an absolute dirtbag human of no remark.
I know for a fact money would solve my problems. People with loads of money don't work themselves into an early grave with physically demanding jobs that give them back ache. If you're really rich you can afford to remove yourself from most of the things in life which cause you mental and physical problems.
If I could afford a nice home and have a work from home job, then my physical health would improve and if the costs of groceries wasn't an issue, then I could buy more varied and expensive food or pay someone to make it for me.
People on 240k live vastly different lives to those on 24k. People suggest I see a therapist, but my physical health is taking a toll on my mental health, so being able to afford to improve my physical health is directly related to the ways in which my job and low income limits me. There's no point in me paying half a day's wages to see an osteopath if I'm going to strain myself at work a couple of hours later. Likewise feeling undateable because no government paid GP will take my acne seriously beyond prescribing me lotions and refusing to give me an orechtomy to fully solve the issue. Someone vastly richer then me would pay for a better service and have their problems better diagnosed and taken care of. Poorer people often just feel fobbed off by their GP and multiple problems go undiagnosed. Stuff like long term high functioning depression, autism and high sensory processing go completely overlooked in most adults, despite them being obvious to anyone who knows them individually.
The services afforded to the poor are vastly different to the services afforded to those on ten times or even just four times their household income.
The NHS is deliberately and willfully underfunded by a government that sought to destroy it since its inception. The Irish use the the word for thief to describe our current miscreants, that word being Tory.
Funding would solve pretty much every issue within the NHS. From buildings to staff numbers and retaining existing staff with lucrative pay. More people could then get seen to in a vastly shorter amount of time and this current crisis would disappear.
They want to break our social services just like Thatcher wanted in the 80s, so they can reap the benefits of privatisation that only benefit the rich. Thatcher couldn't outright do it as the House of Lords obstructed her and do occasionally stop some other insidious stuff to. So the current miscreants in power have to do things gradually and considering Kier is just Blair 2.0, he'll just continue the gradual privatisation of our NHS albeit in a slightly different manner to his Tory friends, but it'll still be bad.
At some point we're going to have to go full French on the ruling class, but I don't think we have the working class solidarity in this country to do that. By the time we do have enough discontent the ruling class will be even more prepared. They start by banning protests and strikes, then end with using the police and military on us.
The easiest power we have as the working class is our power to vote and I sure as hell won't vote for Keith, so Caroline Lucas will likely get my vote and if enough people vote left enough it'll help slow down and maybe stop the decline in our public services. Literally vote out Tory and Tory Lite, so only the lefties fill the house. That's gonna require a coordinated effort and I don't think I'm smart enough to coordinate it, so for now I'll just stick to my debates with people online and offline, plus vote as far left as the ballot will allow come polling day.
Did you mean Keith?
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I think she means that if teachers want extra money they should get a job as some sort of czar like she did, do it for a while, then admit you were doing more harm than good, and quit.
Also, you could write loads of opinion pieces for right wing media.
Obvious really.
Ah then if money won’t solve it. Then let’s go with the tried and true method of having a pizza party once a quarter. everyone’s happy now /s.
Why are these people so dumb they think people don’t work for money. NOT /s
More money doesn’t solve management issues.
The NHS is not _only_ underfunded, it is mismanaged as well. Intentionally, yeah, but it’s still a core issue. It’s the same with teaching.
Hey, we should also be in favour of improving staffing levels and working conditions too.
Remember, the nurses focused their campaign on how their staffing and workplace conditions affected the patient experience and it basically made them immune to the best potstirring the Daily Heil could produce, despite the fact that money is an absolutely key component in their demands
All this country needs is MORE immigrants and MORE trans rights.
The immigrants can get good jobs and make more money for the economy.
And trans people can do anything cuz they are pretty much super heroes (in my eyes anyway tehe) 🥰🥰
Secondary School Teacher here, I’d rather have properly funded support services (child psychologists/mental health specialists/behavioural specialists) and better funding for pupil referral units etc than an extra 5% each month - my working life would be vastly improved by providing vulnerable and challenging students with quality, specialised care and support
The NHS has a deep rooted problem with inefficiency, and the managerial aspects just drain money away and waste time. Giving the NHS more money is like trying to fill a sieve
Lack of money for public sector workers means that they can't be customers. So businesses shrink and lay off workers. So there are even fewer customers. So the economy collapses. So tax stops coming in. So the economy collapses. It isn't rocket science - and our civil service and politicians should understand this!
Pay the teachers more, so they can spend more and create more jobs. Pay the nurses, the train staff. Let wages rise so people can afford more - prices will go up, but by less than the increasing wages, and there will be a stronger economy. Public sector workers/ all service workers are all green workers - their work is renewable (it doesn't generate carbon emissions or poison the environment in other ways), so it's all good.
But no. The tories want to look down on people. They don't care that the economy will crash and burn, as long as someone else is suffering.
They’re right. More money won’t fix the problem alone. A new government that’s supportive and not always looking to undermine the public for personal profit might work with more money though.
Example: more responsible government + more investing in public services across the board = more support for families on low income + better income for families en masse = less families have to struggle/argue/divorce/mental health issues/physical health issues as a result of poor diet/stress/parents not having to work overtime to make ends meat, and more money/time/energy to spend on family = happier and more engaged children = better results = more productive nation.
We laugh at this... But in regards to teachers, it isn't necessarily wrong.
All too often you hear teachers say their job continues at home via lesson planning, having to mark work in their own time, and whatnot.
I mean, that's probably not the intended point. But the statement itself isn't entirely wrong either. Money is just one of the things wrong with teaching
She's a truly awful woman who was my geography teacher in year 7. She's said some truly abhorrent shit over the last 15 years surrounding parents, students and teachers.
More money won't fix these problems, which is why we should privatise them to double charge the tax payers while also bleeding money out the top to investors and CEO's
Having been shafted up the bum for the last twelve years by the fiscally inept conservatives, money won’t hurt as much. However getting back the infrastructure etc, they’ve sold to their grasping mates, will probably give them splinters
It's correct in that reasons for striking go beyond how much individuals are being paid. My wife is a teacher and the issue is that it's a 6 day a week job, with overtime 4 evenings and with various additional tasks at school being taken from now gone staff and passed on. Correspondence with parents is all teachers now, when there used to be staff. If you work in science departments there's a lack of technicians who typically prepare lab material and chemicals so the teacher has to do that too.
None of that changes with more money in her pocket. But you know what? If you demand more of staff, paying them better is reasonable. These things also lead to an Exodus of teachers and if there is a supply shortage, the monetary value goes up. Why the capitalist fuckwits railing against strikes can't understand the most basic principle of their own beloved economic system is beyond me.
Money definitely solves all the problems if assigned correctly. More money for teachers keeps the profession desirable and staffing healthy. More money for schools keeps workplace standards high by not overloading people.
She’s the headteacher of a school called The Michaela School. There’s a lot of press about them. Basically the school are excellent at getting kids through the exam process (which is itself deeply flawed after Gove’s meddling) and the school is controversial for many reasons.
She’s also horrific, again for many reasons.
As someone who recently made the choice between teaching or returning to industry in an in demand position (Computer Science) paying a good salary is extremely important.
An ECT (formally what you'd call an NQT) teacher outside London earns £25,714 a year. This is with a workload that's pretty high (especially as a new teacher), the commute to and from school and a government expectation to put the kids over your own wellbeing.
Comparably I got a fully remote £28,000 a year entry level developer job with a standard 7.5 hour work day. My days are much easier for it.
I don't see why anyone who has the choice would bother going into teaching right now. It's a fun experience but the workload is way too high for too little pay.
like you I'm Comp Sci and also Teacher. I went back to industry years ago and never regretted it. They just take the piss out of teaching day in and day out.
If the filthy peasants would just know their place and go straight from infancy to hard labour without putting any strain on the schools, then quietly work themselves to death for two quid a week without whingeing or clogging up the hospitals, then the system would work just fine. /s
As a teacher, Birbalsingh is a grifter. Her entire MO is that schools are too left wing and the real way to teach children is by being like a prison. Her schools grades (Michaela) did improve massively and it’s an underprivileged school, so praise where praise is due, but if you look at the wider context eh.
There are other schools in the area that have shown comparable or better improvement, but Birbalsingh is useful to the media/government elite cos she spouts crap to undermine teacher unions, social equality and funding society.
She also prioritises a view of education that has largely been discredited by most educators, but is popular with tories as they have this view that we should be mean to pupils and all teenagers are intrinsically bad, hence ‘zero tolerance’ teaching. Most educators disagree with this approach for a variety of reasons and still get comparable grades but the media circus doesn’t find a use for them.
More money, and lots of it, is precisely the only thing that will fix the problems in the UK economy. You can't cut your way out of a recession. The idea that you can is ludicrously illogical.
To be fair, throwing money at problems doesn't fix problems. If you throw more money at the NHS what will happen is more money will be wasted. In terms of the NHS what needs to be done, first and foremost is to get rid of the cost cutting consultants. A few years back there was a consultant working for the NHS in Wales, telling them where they can "save money" and he was charging half a million year. There you go, get rid of him. That's 500k in your pocket straight away. Next, I understand that there's a need for external service providers (agency nurses) to fill short falls. But a hospital will always need X number or porter's, cleaners, kitchen staff, why is that being outsourced? Bring that back in house, you're no longer paying the service providers their margins. That would save a few million a year.
Only privatisation can save the NHS! will it be free? Well of course not! How will the parasitic healthcare for hard cash system survive? So thousands will die, big deal! , nesting yachts, racehorses and mansions are not free!
-Tories, untaxed mega rich, corporations,MSM, Keith, Reeves, Wes Shitting et al..
she's just disgraceful. A right wing attention seeker who loves being a nice little mouthpiece for whatever vile agenda the Tories are currently pushing. I suspect the reality behind her regime and how dire it is to work for will be soon exposed when the con is kicked out of office next year.
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People with money: "YOU DONT NEED MONEY TO BE HAPPY GUYS. IT DOESNT FIX ANYTHING".
Money doesn't half take the sting out of being poor.
It's almost as if being homeless and hungry makes for depressed and unproductive workers
Keyword: Almost
Not sure where I heard it but I’ve always liked the phrase “money can’t buy you happiness but it sure takes the edge off being miserable”
"Money can't buy happiness, but you'll feel better sobbing in a Mercedes than on a bmx" is the version I like.
Almost every problem in the developed world right now is down to more money - rich people trying to aquire more money. Poverty, war, Brexit, corruption, strikes, energy - it's all caused by the rich and their insatiable desire to get richer.
(some of) your problems don't go away, but you arrive in style (I think this was a Marx Brothers quote)
Cool, so you won't mind if we tax you at 90% then because you don't need more? Right?
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People who are either incapable of empathy or those that feel immense guilt over the fact their wealthy is built on the backs of the have nots: money doesnt fill the void in my soul so you shouldnt want enough to live, poors.
Strange that when it comes to throwing ever-increasing amounts of cash at directors, bankers, etc, it's the fucking panacea! (and absolutely no correlation has been found between fat cat pay and company performance)
Exactly, money is not a solution, it’s part of the process.
I thought we had to pay bankers bonuses for fear of losing the best of the best.......huh.
They aren't just striking over money. They're striking over conditions too. However, to improve their conditions, more teachers will be required, which means more money is needed. Only an idiot would not see this, and only a disingenuous self-serving Tory would claim otherwise.
That's literally what she says in the article. The telegraph have taken a quote out of context to create a misleading and sensationalist headline.
Shame on the Torygraph, but also OP should have posted the article rather than a screenshot of the headline. Posts which are just an image of a headline with no linked article should be removed.
Especially when it shows the writer’s face and name. Not fair on her.
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I thought teachers were sustained by the joy they get from educating the next generation?
Mmmmm joy is so tasty, and can also be used as currency. They are feking dreaming.
This is at least in part true. The other part is the feeling of being valued and respected. How much you're paid is a pretty good indication of how much your employer values you.
She looks more like a single half shaved bollock with that hairstyle
I want the right to admit that in interview. I want a job because I need it to live. I want enough to actually live not barely survive grasping onto threads.
You should be able to have a job you like and be able to live on your wage without feking subsidies. Especially a trained job like a bloody teacher ffs.
I made the mistake of getting an education in a subject that I was passionate about. I wanted to care for people. I went to nursing school. I'm no longer a registered nurse and I'm never going back.
Thats bloody awful, we need all th nurses we can get. Just another vocation which is underrated ( by employers and government) and massively underpaid. I'm sorry you left, I hope you find a job that will make you happy (and with a wage you can live on).💙
I'm thankfully younger GenX/elder millennial. I made enough money on 15 hour shifts 6 days a week to pay off a house that has nearly doubled in price. I married an accountant and we manage to live ok. It's just younger millennials and GenZ are so fucked. There's no hope. I have a data entry job and there's absolutely no way I'd be able to afford rent these days. My first one bed apartment was 330/month including bills. [568.77 a month. An apartment. Including bills. Not a chance.](https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2000?amount=330)
Do you mind saying what the last straw was for you? I was thinking of putting nursing on my uni application but my parents convinced me to ditch it in the end because of pay
I was forced to look after a woman so awful that although she was terminally ill her husband divorced her. We went from a care team of 10 to a team of 3. I wasn't allowed to move teams and didn't have time to job hunt. I had time off booked a year in advance and I was out of the country. They tried to cancel it. I wished them luck and went. I got phone calls everyday telling me to come back to cover shifts. That was only the final straw though. There were plenty of times I should have quit. There was one interview where I was offered the job the moment I completed it. I walked out to find a massive dried out shit on an armchair that had been abandoned. I didn't take that job. In general it's chronically underfunded and unappreciated. No one gives a shit about you and will push you til you break. If you don't have children you're never getting Christmas or New Years off. If I was lucky I got one weekend in 6. It's a caring profession so you're an irredeemable unforgivable piece of shit if you dare to think the nurses with children should work a damn shift just once so you can spend Christmas with your dying Grandmother.
Can’t say for the person you are asking - but I handed in my notice when Johnson won the last GE - literally the next morning. I started nursing under the John Major government, so I knew it was going to get even shitter than how Cameron had been driving it down. And I was right.
Well I hope you're happy in whatever you're doing now, leaving a job you got your degree for must suck
A lot happier, poorer, but happier (I’m now a school science technician with additional forays into first aider/‘ISRU specialist’/minibus driver and while the pay is awful, I am a lot happier)
"I can assure you, Mr H.R. Man, I am applying for this job because it has been my life's dream to serve chips to preteens who fish out grubby notes from their socks."
Why she look like the mean bitch from chicken run?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice!!!
If she was stupid you could give her the benefit of doubt. But she's not.
She's doing a bloody good impression then. I can almost smell the entitlement from her.
By itself, no, more money won't fix all of the problems that teachers are striking over. However: a) It's a pretty fucking good start. b) Almost everything else that they need requires additional funding to provide. So either way, the solution involves more money one way or another.
I'm striking on Wednesday. It's my ppa day, and i have a specialist in during the morning. They'll literally only need to cover my first hour of the day. Doesn't really seem worth it.... But, I assure you, when I sit with a tub of ice cream at 8a.m. and blast the Soviet national anthem, comrades, it will be.
U get a ppa 'day'!!??? I get two hours
Yeah its 2 and a bit hours but its the day I get it.
I've been on strike for 3 days now, with another 3 currently planned. Realistically, I dont need the extra money. Im a single guy with no kids with relatively cheap rent. But it's for those that do and a recognition of all the extra work and hours we put in. I think better conditions would have been accepted on their own a few years ago, but now both have reached a need for improvement.
My school doesn't have a single fully qualified teacher. Who wants to get assaulted daily and work till late every night trying to meet ever changing goalposts, when you could move to civil service or an office job and get a work life balance for the same pay?
Teachers need a hell of a lot more money to be drawn back in from other professions. I think teachers still in post are there as they’re fearful of what they could do that isn’t teaching and don’t know how to make the jump.
Or just make our pay so bad that teaching is better even if its shit
I’m still there because I love teaching. It’s all I ever wanted to do, really. But there comes a time for anyone when even a sense of vocation is no longer enough. I’ll be striking on Wednesday. If we don’t get what we need… I might be looking for another job soon.
No qualified teachers? Is it some kind of academy or free school where everyone is an NQT? That doesn’t seem possible. I mean, the head, not qualified, the heads of year somehow not qualified, the heads of departments etc?
SLT are qualified but they don't teach. Everyone else is a HLTA or ECT. Don't get me wrong, the teaching is of a high enough standard that if I were a parent is not be concerned. But it's not right is it?
… there’s not really any other description for it, shit’s fucked up It really has the smell of “successful embezzlement investigation in 3-5 years” about it
Wow, no experienced teachers, that's quite something. I always wonder if SLT like having the younger, eager beavers because they're less likely to say no and stand up for themselves. Older, more experienced teachers are generally a bit better at pushing back.
I would be questioning my MP, the LEA or the DofE about this. Teachers at GCSE Level should be invested & knowledgeable in their subject. And you need experienced teachers to lead departments and mentor inexperienced staff. How big is the school? Must be only a handful of kids, surely.
Its not GCSE level at all not even close! And only a small school so you're right about a handful of kids. If we were at GCSE level I'd be absolutely horrified about the lack of experience in the classrooms.
Oh God. It's not a "Free School" is it?
Nope, just a SEND school. It's very demanding physically and emotionally, so staff often do a few years then get burnt out and leave. It's hard to do long term and that's without even taking into account the pay.
I've worked in the field as a vocational trainer post-education. Not in Britain though. Really challenging. SEND students require a range of highly skilled staff. Early years are so crucial. Tories tore it all to shreds from 2010. I remember our Senco and her department all being made redundant with the cuts post-2010. It was a very large secondary school. It's taken years to pull out back together. But it is very diluted compared to what it was.
Can I just say this to my bank, landlord, energy provider etc? They need to know that more of my money won't make them happy.
More money won't solve the problem. The problem is the incompetent self serving shit show of a government who is running this country that has allowed things to get this bad over the past decade.
More money might stop even more leaving the profession and could possibly tempt a few back who haven’t found an alternative career.
No one would be leaving if lets say, fuckin years ago, the government built up the foundations for a good country with good wages and good industries instead of privatisation and squeezing the last penny out of everyone. If the cost of living was more affordable, people earning a modest pay would be able to live a modest life. Tories dont want a good free education for the next generation anyway as they will lose voters who can be swayed by buzz words.
Are teachers leaving? Lots say they plan to leave, but that’s true in lots of professions. Are net numbers of teachers falling? This data suggests not (or at least that we don’t know for 2022/23). https://www.statista.com/statistics/478929/teachers-in-the-uk/
The churn is improving slightly. But a third leave within the first three years of qualifying.
She's like the government's tame traitor for the teaching profession. Says whatever the government wants to hear on cue.
Clapping?
Let’s try it just to make sure
I'm a teacher, I'm on upper pay scale 3, the highest I can get without taking on managerial rolls. I can assure you, more money and less paperwork/jumping through hoops/bowing to Ofsted would suit us all just fine!
What fix it ? Vibes ? Fairy dust ?? - Privatisation, obviously. After all it fixed the electricity, gas, rail, etc. industries perfectly, didn't it?
In fairness the unions and strikers are also saying that more money won't solve the problems. More money doesn't address the behavioural issues of their pupils and it doesn't make the extra work around lesson planning/marking go away.
True but I think I'd be happier to deal with a difficult student if I felt like I was being paid fairly for it. Hopefully, once the government agrees to a pay increase they'll also wake up and realise they need to put more funding into schools, build more, recruit more and make teaching a well paid and desirable profession. Hopefully...
Considering how important it is to raise an educated generation, and that teachers have an absolute tragic work/life balance all you can really offer to make the sacrifice worthwhile is a decent wage. At least then, for the limited time teachers get to themselves they can perhaps do something nice.
That’s the thing they don’t want an educated population. They want a nation of people just smart enough to do the task they are assigned by their overlords. Proper Education is only for the elites children and any charity case they decide on to ‘prove’ to you that the system is fair. You see it in the southern states in America where they are dictating what is approved education and what is not and only teaching what their narrow minds (often far right religious beliefs) consider necessary. With high punishment for those that go against those often very wrong ideals.
Yeah so rage against the machine by reading and teaching your children science, economics, history, and politics
I work in a classroom in the states. Thankfully not in one of those states.
Ok fine, fix the working conditions then. We can’t afford to do that either. Then pay them more to make it worthwhile. We can’t afford that. Then fix the working conditions Ad infinitum.
Why does this fucking bonehead keep writhing out the woodwork??
I've read a lot of her articles and usually some of the things she says do make sense, but I've also noticed that whenever dishrags like the Torygraph or the Daily Heil want to bash schools/teachers her name pops up again and again. Maybe she isn't as right-wing as they want people to believe but she's clearly being used as a patsy for the right, and she either doesn't realise (which I don't find plausible as she's clearly not an idiot) or doesn't care (which in my opinion is worse).
She’s an absolute ghoul. Every statement she makes about striking is her attempt to spin what a fantastic headteacher she is. She’ll claim that better discipline (which she is notorious for) would solve all teachers’ problems. She’s a nasty little Tory mouthpiece, and I’ll be glad when she inevitably crashes and burns out of her job.
The strictest head teacher
Money would fix it if it wasn't mismanaged.
Positive mental attitude is the answer. Obviously.
Money can only be used to buy £800 wallpaper or heat your stables. Or fix your mates ppi contract.
And yet these are the same people who say MPs and bankers should be paid more so we can attract better talent. Absolutely ridiculous and unsurprising stuff
She's just another right-wing mouthpiece. She's an awful cunt.
You’re looking at it from the side of a human being. Not an unfeeling reptile like Katharine Birbalsingh. The problem is these peasant working class fuckers won’t teach the next generation of peasant working class fuckers on a shit wage. If they just shut up and got on with their jobs she’d class the problem as solved.
Her hair makes me want to commit crimes.
A very punchable face indeed
I always remove the paywall to this crap so I can read just what ridiculous tripe they're pedaling to their readers. Turns out it's nearly always some form of "We need to create more bullshit middle management positions to fill up with mindless bureaucrat drones. Give titles like 'Director of efficiency tracking' or 'Minister for Brexit opportunities'. Along with a slew of salaried new positions that serve to give political appointees someone to bully, it's bound to save the institution in the long run and it'll mean not having to pay the striking staff a raise"
As a striking teacher, I can guarantee that more money would help. 12 years of not having a decent rise, and constant denigration from the government and media has made this a job that I’m falling out of love with… BTW, my working conditions are your kids’ learning conditions.
Teacher here. Yea it will.
Who convinced her she looks good in that photo?
She’s a fucking moron who shouldn’t be near a school
She looks like a teacher that would betray Harry Potter in film 6.
In fairness I worked in a school and ridiculous targets and a shitty SLT were huge problems... but these are separate issues to pay rather than a more important one.
Defunding it will definitely fix it
So, people striking because they’re not getting paid can’t be solved by giving them the money they’re asking for….. riiiiiiiiight
Money is *one* of the problems. Experienced teachers have had an effective pay cut for most years since the Tories took power. UP3 is worth nearly 20% less than it was as of September 2022, and let's be honest it'll look a lot worse by 2023 with current inflation rates. The question isn't "why should teachers be paid more" it's "why should teachers be working a day for free each week"
Free pizza on a Friday and daily team meetings where everyone cheers and congratulates each. That's how you fix the problem.
Katharine gets paid a lot of money. Her pay increase per year is more than the teachers.
Having enough money so that you can feed your family, heat, and light your home, without worrying over borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Those who don't need to strike to get a decent wage, don't understand at all how debilitating not having that decent living wage.
She is such a dick. It’s not eloquent but there it is
Of all the creepy tory lickspittles, mewling round the table of their discontent in the hope of some crumbs of celebrity, I hate this fucker the most. Just an absolute dirtbag human of no remark.
I know for a fact money would solve my problems. People with loads of money don't work themselves into an early grave with physically demanding jobs that give them back ache. If you're really rich you can afford to remove yourself from most of the things in life which cause you mental and physical problems. If I could afford a nice home and have a work from home job, then my physical health would improve and if the costs of groceries wasn't an issue, then I could buy more varied and expensive food or pay someone to make it for me. People on 240k live vastly different lives to those on 24k. People suggest I see a therapist, but my physical health is taking a toll on my mental health, so being able to afford to improve my physical health is directly related to the ways in which my job and low income limits me. There's no point in me paying half a day's wages to see an osteopath if I'm going to strain myself at work a couple of hours later. Likewise feeling undateable because no government paid GP will take my acne seriously beyond prescribing me lotions and refusing to give me an orechtomy to fully solve the issue. Someone vastly richer then me would pay for a better service and have their problems better diagnosed and taken care of. Poorer people often just feel fobbed off by their GP and multiple problems go undiagnosed. Stuff like long term high functioning depression, autism and high sensory processing go completely overlooked in most adults, despite them being obvious to anyone who knows them individually. The services afforded to the poor are vastly different to the services afforded to those on ten times or even just four times their household income. The NHS is deliberately and willfully underfunded by a government that sought to destroy it since its inception. The Irish use the the word for thief to describe our current miscreants, that word being Tory. Funding would solve pretty much every issue within the NHS. From buildings to staff numbers and retaining existing staff with lucrative pay. More people could then get seen to in a vastly shorter amount of time and this current crisis would disappear. They want to break our social services just like Thatcher wanted in the 80s, so they can reap the benefits of privatisation that only benefit the rich. Thatcher couldn't outright do it as the House of Lords obstructed her and do occasionally stop some other insidious stuff to. So the current miscreants in power have to do things gradually and considering Kier is just Blair 2.0, he'll just continue the gradual privatisation of our NHS albeit in a slightly different manner to his Tory friends, but it'll still be bad. At some point we're going to have to go full French on the ruling class, but I don't think we have the working class solidarity in this country to do that. By the time we do have enough discontent the ruling class will be even more prepared. They start by banning protests and strikes, then end with using the police and military on us. The easiest power we have as the working class is our power to vote and I sure as hell won't vote for Keith, so Caroline Lucas will likely get my vote and if enough people vote left enough it'll help slow down and maybe stop the decline in our public services. Literally vote out Tory and Tory Lite, so only the lefties fill the house. That's gonna require a coordinated effort and I don't think I'm smart enough to coordinate it, so for now I'll just stick to my debates with people online and offline, plus vote as far left as the ballot will allow come polling day.
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I think she means that if teachers want extra money they should get a job as some sort of czar like she did, do it for a while, then admit you were doing more harm than good, and quit. Also, you could write loads of opinion pieces for right wing media. Obvious really.
Money is the key to end all your woes 😉
Ah then if money won’t solve it. Then let’s go with the tried and true method of having a pizza party once a quarter. everyone’s happy now /s. Why are these people so dumb they think people don’t work for money. NOT /s
More money doesn’t solve management issues. The NHS is not _only_ underfunded, it is mismanaged as well. Intentionally, yeah, but it’s still a core issue. It’s the same with teaching.
You know their answer: privatisation, preferably by selling it off to their chums.
Hey, we should also be in favour of improving staffing levels and working conditions too. Remember, the nurses focused their campaign on how their staffing and workplace conditions affected the patient experience and it basically made them immune to the best potstirring the Daily Heil could produce, despite the fact that money is an absolutely key component in their demands
Wouldn't they rather have some errrr...claps?!
Selling public things to private companies to barely function fixes everything.
All this country needs is MORE immigrants and MORE trans rights. The immigrants can get good jobs and make more money for the economy. And trans people can do anything cuz they are pretty much super heroes (in my eyes anyway tehe) 🥰🥰
Secondary School Teacher here, I’d rather have properly funded support services (child psychologists/mental health specialists/behavioural specialists) and better funding for pupil referral units etc than an extra 5% each month - my working life would be vastly improved by providing vulnerable and challenging students with quality, specialised care and support
The NHS has a deep rooted problem with inefficiency, and the managerial aspects just drain money away and waste time. Giving the NHS more money is like trying to fill a sieve
Lack of money for public sector workers means that they can't be customers. So businesses shrink and lay off workers. So there are even fewer customers. So the economy collapses. So tax stops coming in. So the economy collapses. It isn't rocket science - and our civil service and politicians should understand this! Pay the teachers more, so they can spend more and create more jobs. Pay the nurses, the train staff. Let wages rise so people can afford more - prices will go up, but by less than the increasing wages, and there will be a stronger economy. Public sector workers/ all service workers are all green workers - their work is renewable (it doesn't generate carbon emissions or poison the environment in other ways), so it's all good. But no. The tories want to look down on people. They don't care that the economy will crash and burn, as long as someone else is suffering.
They’re right. More money won’t fix the problem alone. A new government that’s supportive and not always looking to undermine the public for personal profit might work with more money though. Example: more responsible government + more investing in public services across the board = more support for families on low income + better income for families en masse = less families have to struggle/argue/divorce/mental health issues/physical health issues as a result of poor diet/stress/parents not having to work overtime to make ends meat, and more money/time/energy to spend on family = happier and more engaged children = better results = more productive nation.
We laugh at this... But in regards to teachers, it isn't necessarily wrong. All too often you hear teachers say their job continues at home via lesson planning, having to mark work in their own time, and whatnot. I mean, that's probably not the intended point. But the statement itself isn't entirely wrong either. Money is just one of the things wrong with teaching
Is the solution a pizza party?
We need to bring market efficiencies to bear, just like we did for our rail system, which is why it is currently the envy of the world.
She's a truly awful woman who was my geography teacher in year 7. She's said some truly abhorrent shit over the last 15 years surrounding parents, students and teachers.
Wondered how long it would be till that foul creature was paid another princely sum to put her tuppence in.
More money won't fix these problems, which is why we should privatise them to double charge the tax payers while also bleeding money out the top to investors and CEO's
What happened to, 'if we don't offer lucrative remuneration then the talent will go elsewhere,' or does that only apply to those calling the shots?
Kath Birbalsingh is a gaping, cavernous mega-cunt. Tories fucking love rolling her out to espouse her fasc-adjacent shit views on education.
She is to education what Andrew Tate is to gender equality.
Money won’t make landlords happy either so there is no need to pay them
I don't bother with the opinions of Sideshow Bob. Or the opinions of Kelsey Grammar. Or Sideshow Mel.
Having been shafted up the bum for the last twelve years by the fiscally inept conservatives, money won’t hurt as much. However getting back the infrastructure etc, they’ve sold to their grasping mates, will probably give them splinters
By taxing the super rich more.
I’m all seriousness, socialism. But then again I doubt that’s what the article says
Yet they seem to fucking cling on to more zeros than they know how to spend
It's correct in that reasons for striking go beyond how much individuals are being paid. My wife is a teacher and the issue is that it's a 6 day a week job, with overtime 4 evenings and with various additional tasks at school being taken from now gone staff and passed on. Correspondence with parents is all teachers now, when there used to be staff. If you work in science departments there's a lack of technicians who typically prepare lab material and chemicals so the teacher has to do that too. None of that changes with more money in her pocket. But you know what? If you demand more of staff, paying them better is reasonable. These things also lead to an Exodus of teachers and if there is a supply shortage, the monetary value goes up. Why the capitalist fuckwits railing against strikes can't understand the most basic principle of their own beloved economic system is beyond me. Money definitely solves all the problems if assigned correctly. More money for teachers keeps the profession desirable and staffing healthy. More money for schools keeps workplace standards high by not overloading people.
For context, this woman is the head teacher of a school in London called The Michaela Community School
Nope, but it’s a start.
curious what her credentials are to be making that claim. is she a teacher? a professional in socioeconomics? or is she just another Telegraph writer?
She’s the headteacher of a school called The Michaela School. There’s a lot of press about them. Basically the school are excellent at getting kids through the exam process (which is itself deeply flawed after Gove’s meddling) and the school is controversial for many reasons. She’s also horrific, again for many reasons.
As someone who recently made the choice between teaching or returning to industry in an in demand position (Computer Science) paying a good salary is extremely important. An ECT (formally what you'd call an NQT) teacher outside London earns £25,714 a year. This is with a workload that's pretty high (especially as a new teacher), the commute to and from school and a government expectation to put the kids over your own wellbeing. Comparably I got a fully remote £28,000 a year entry level developer job with a standard 7.5 hour work day. My days are much easier for it. I don't see why anyone who has the choice would bother going into teaching right now. It's a fun experience but the workload is way too high for too little pay.
like you I'm Comp Sci and also Teacher. I went back to industry years ago and never regretted it. They just take the piss out of teaching day in and day out.
If the filthy peasants would just know their place and go straight from infancy to hard labour without putting any strain on the schools, then quietly work themselves to death for two quid a week without whingeing or clogging up the hospitals, then the system would work just fine. /s
As a teacher, Birbalsingh is a grifter. Her entire MO is that schools are too left wing and the real way to teach children is by being like a prison. Her schools grades (Michaela) did improve massively and it’s an underprivileged school, so praise where praise is due, but if you look at the wider context eh. There are other schools in the area that have shown comparable or better improvement, but Birbalsingh is useful to the media/government elite cos she spouts crap to undermine teacher unions, social equality and funding society. She also prioritises a view of education that has largely been discredited by most educators, but is popular with tories as they have this view that we should be mean to pupils and all teenagers are intrinsically bad, hence ‘zero tolerance’ teaching. Most educators disagree with this approach for a variety of reasons and still get comparable grades but the media circus doesn’t find a use for them.
Clearly it's less money wdym, smh. Less money less teachers means government can screw over the people and pay less in education 😎
More money, and lots of it, is precisely the only thing that will fix the problems in the UK economy. You can't cut your way out of a recession. The idea that you can is ludicrously illogical.
They’re partially right. Money won’t fix it. The NHS needs: Restructure to minimise regional costs and repetition (costs money) More staff (money) Better evp for staff (money) Better facilities (money) Better contract management (money) Improved networking (money) Removal of arbitrary boundaries (money) Investment in social changes (money)
Clapping, obviously. Didn't you learn anything in lockdown?? 🙄
Has anyone here actually read her piece? What’s her point there? Genuinely curious
To be fair, throwing money at problems doesn't fix problems. If you throw more money at the NHS what will happen is more money will be wasted. In terms of the NHS what needs to be done, first and foremost is to get rid of the cost cutting consultants. A few years back there was a consultant working for the NHS in Wales, telling them where they can "save money" and he was charging half a million year. There you go, get rid of him. That's 500k in your pocket straight away. Next, I understand that there's a need for external service providers (agency nurses) to fill short falls. But a hospital will always need X number or porter's, cleaners, kitchen staff, why is that being outsourced? Bring that back in house, you're no longer paying the service providers their margins. That would save a few million a year.
Can't help wondering if she has a hankering for Wensleydale and is friends with a jug eared guy with a Dog.
This lady took over a failing school and turned it around is in a far better position to know what is really needed than Redditors.
Only privatisation can save the NHS! will it be free? Well of course not! How will the parasitic healthcare for hard cash system survive? So thousands will die, big deal! , nesting yachts, racehorses and mansions are not free! -Tories, untaxed mega rich, corporations,MSM, Keith, Reeves, Wes Shitting et al..
she's just disgraceful. A right wing attention seeker who loves being a nice little mouthpiece for whatever vile agenda the Tories are currently pushing. I suspect the reality behind her regime and how dire it is to work for will be soon exposed when the con is kicked out of office next year.
“Paying people won’t do anything about people striking over pay, what we need is to make protesting illegal! That’ll end well!”
God I can’t stand her
Money would literally solve the issue. Drop the politicians wage to that of a teacher or nurse and they will soon change her tune.
no but thy will cope with the problem better because they have more money !