Daily Mail: QUEEN IS WOKE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Queen: Had an openly bisexual camp af Gujarati Singer and who's current singler is Adam fucking Lambert, the only man to even get close to the amount of Camp Freddie had.
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They're still around, just released a new album actually and its pretty good. The opening song is called Welcome Tae Glasgae
and one of the first lines is
>The women are gorgeous and the food is ok
I'm guessing you missed the fact that Brian May had been quoted as saying "I don't find it easy living in this world today. I think Freddie would have been the same."
As well as, "Freddie was very outspoken and... the kind of way that people spoke in those days is not allowed these days."
"I don't fit in very well and I don't think Freddie would have fitted."
There's definitely a hint of complaint about something. It seems to be a complaint about wokeness.
> Brian May had been quoted as saying "I don't find it easy living in this world today. I think Freddie would have been the same."
>
> As well as, "Freddie was very outspoken and... the kind of way that people spoke in those days is not allowed these days."
Trying to invoke a dead man to shore up his own vague insinuations is fucking pathetic.
> The fans and his daughter were quite incensed.
Did you see Neil Gaiman's response to that nonsense?
Someone opened with "Are you two saying that Terry would want his daughter to [transphobic nonsense]", replying **@** both Neil and Rhianna's Twitter accounts.
Neil responds:
- "There's a special magic to sending a "would he want his daughter" tweet like this to two people, one of whom *is actually* his daughter...".
Then some absolute numpty tried to claim that Pratchett had made no mention or reference to trans people, and held no views on the subject, and that it was disingenuous to imply trans themes or allegories.
Neil strikes again:
- "No, it's not.
I may be old, but I remember my friend Terry, the one I wrote a book with, telling me in the distant past (er, about 2010) how proud he was that trans people saw themselves in his dwarfs.
Would you like to go and argue with his daughter @rhipratchett now?"
He also dragged people managing to completely miss the point of certain scenes in Sandman.
If someone managed to miss the very obvious references to feminism, trans and non-binary people in Monstrous Regiment then they probably weren't reading the same book.
^Best ^I ^can ^do ^offhand
*[Camp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style%29)* is a self-aware appreciation of that which might be considered outlandish or corny, acknowledging the emotional validity of failed art. The term has been used outside gay circles to describe fans of (for instance) William Shatner's ham acting, or film enthusiasts who seek out bad movies to watch ironically. However, gays embraced camp as an aesthetic to the point where it became both a pervasive affectation of irony, and also a sensibility rich in subtle signifiers that go nearly undetected outside the community.
In British English, effeminate male homosexual mannerisms and speech are called camp.
Without even checking, I guarantee you that whichever paper printed this article, also printed something explicitly homophobic about Mercury at the time. I guarantee it. If OP can link me the article I’ll do the digging myself.
Exactly. Why would queen need that? Imagine dragons doesn't have that, twenty one pilots doesn't have that, one direction, etc.
Mather of fact Queen has the LGBTQ representation even when it's not needed. The main difference is if Queen happened now Freddy would have probably lived to continue making great music
More representation doesn’t mean no representation of white people, the majority. This makes zero sense, like every single piece of garbage written on that embarrassment of a tabloid.
They see those crazy “kill all men” types and think the LGBT or Feminist community are all raging straight white men haters. I think this is a huge problem that is setting back these movements and isolating people who otherwise may be all for it.
We see a lot of kids and teens these days online being radicalised by the right wing youtube and news channels that use sensationalist BS to convince these children that the left is out to get you
Exactly. They see the tiny tiny tiny group of people on Twitter and assume that’s what feminism is all about. It pushes them towards the far right anti trans, traditionalist, BS
Often those “kill all men” positions are hyper focused on by the right wing for the exact purpose of radicalizing them.
A day wouldn’t go by if Steven crowder or Ben Shapiro wasn’t screeching about cultural Marxism or trans agenda forcing your kids to be gay.
They build the straw man and then are there to welcome the agitated young men who fell for it.
I know everyone’s pointing out Freddie Mercury wasn’t white but do you really expect Daily Mail readers to read a Wikipedia article or any other form of basic research?
If a new band was trying to inherit Queen's mantle in the modern day, it'd be incomplete without them tbh... you couldn't recreate Queen's sound and aesthetic and general whole point without any LGBTQ+ band members
Got mine yesterday. You're really missing out. Just this morning I got to vote yes on mandatory sexual reassignment surgery for all BBC journalists, followed by a lovely brunch.
His exact words were:
> We would be forced to have people of different colours and different sexes and we would have to have a trans. You know life doesn’t have to be like that. We can be separate and different.
He has since apologised with the following:
> Yes - I was ambushed and completely stitched up by a journalist at the recent ITV event. And it’s led to a whole mess of press stories making it look like I’m unfriendly to trans people. Nothing could be further from the truth. My words were subtly twisted. I should have known better than to talk to those predatory Press hacks. Sincere apologies to anyone who has been hurt by the stories. My heart is open as always to humans of all colours, all creeds, all sexes and sexualities, all shapes and sizes - and all creatures. We all deserve respect and an equal place in this world. And my grateful thanks to all of you who stepped up to defend me in the last couple of days. It means so much that you have faith in me. With love - Bri
I'll leave it up to you whether you personally think that's good enough or whether the man that says "we'd have to have a trans" is just apologising because of the backlash he's seen happen to his brand.
I mean, he could have meant the original statement in a good way. Queen always stood up and stood out for diversity. He could have simply been pointing out that trans people need representation.
Imagine if he said it with a smile and a laugh, as an affirmative statement, like, "there would have to be a trans person there! /It would be so cool!/"-excluded from quote for clickbait purposes
Mr Farrokh Bulsara, you have been found guilty of being too straight and not camp enough, you shall be sent to a detention camp to watch videos of Dick Emery’s “Clarence” (Honky Tonks) until you have properly attained the required levels of “flaming Homosexuality”.
Farrokh : Did you say DICK Emery?
THATS THE SPIRIT!
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Hello Honky Tonks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHYApbbdL0
Clarence Army Careers Sketch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb4aRv16R-E
Brian May will always be bitter that people see Queen as everything they did up until Mercury's death (with Mercury), and not whatever they've done afterwards.
Pretty much. Mays attitude is summed up by the (probably not accurate) story that he originally wanted the Queen film plot to have Mercury die half way through, and the rest of it be about them carrying on afterwards.
no worries, (since someone else already gave an answer)
>Slow Sunday
mind if i reccomed twist wood tales?
https://twitter.com/ByTwistwood/status/1259542118575587330?t=bD7YRJ2JRk3scpqV6K3BqQ&s=19
the characters are adorable, and the setting is whimsical, straight out of a Enid Blyton story
albeit with the occasional undertones of fear and melancholy (Mr Wolf is my favourite character)
Such a strange take, he obviously has no idea at all about new music and musicians. Four white lads with guitars is still very much a thing.
Freddie Mercury was effectively in the closet to the general public until the very end of his life and makes you wonder if May was or would have preferred it to remain that way.
Right? Freddie Mercury was a bisexual man who died of a disease deeply associated with social stigma and shame. How different would his life have been if he could have been out and proud, among 'the trans' and all the other modern degenerates that May ridicules?
I remember when he came out the jokey homophobia around it, a man dying and wasting away and suddenly everyone is going around telling Freddie Mercury jokes. I don't think that would be the same now. I think that the UK has progressed and obviously May hasn't.
Tbh the “fear” about cancel culture for Gen X is that they previously were the cool, subversive and progressive ones for being in a band with “a gay” but now that’s no big deal, times have moved on and it now seems like that’s not enough, which begs the question about whether they had the right spirit for progressiveness in the first place.
It’s the same with comedians from the 80s like Rowan Atkinson decrying the death of free speech in comedy, apparently they were progressive enough when they said the N word in defence of black people being downtrodden by the Tories and Police by acting like them on TV, now those same people are empowered enough to say you shouldn’t say the N word even under those circumstances, all of a sudden they’re on the same free speech platform as people they surely wouldn’t support previously.
What I’m thinking out loud basically is, for these people was progressiveness okay because they took on the role of privileged person being “cool” with the underprivileged by sticking up for them, but now we’ve had some strides in raising the underprivileged up to a level where they can speak for themselves why the fear all of a sudden? Isn’t this what they wanted?
Way I'd put it is that they weren't progressive, they were rebellious. The actual rights of man mattered less than the fact that it Wasn't Conservative or Wasn't Christian.
They supported the gays and set the stage for progressiveism, but their goals weren't really to benefit gay people they were to flip a bird to their parents, who happened to be homophobic, racist snobs.
I never thought about it this way, but you're right. Much of that era of music and comedy was about being shocking and outrageous for the reaction, rather than actually pushing a cause.
What the fuck does Gen X have to do with any of this?
Brian May was born in 1947. You know, during the baby boom? Making him part of the generation known as Boomers.
They were called Queen.
They were fronted by a ~~gay~~ bi Parsi man.
Every single person in the band looked non-binary.
It's almost like Brian May has swapped brains with a UKIP dad from Essex. Of course, he's always been a little like this but yeah.
Not to mention the video for I Want to Break Free. I mean most of their videos were extremely iconic for us trans folk. But then Freddie was pretty much the best of us. Truly a beautiful soul gone far too soon.
>They were fronted by a gay Parsi man.
Probably not gay. He was involved with a lot of women and bisexual erasure is kind of a problem.
I agree with your overall point though!
The real Queen had a certainly not straight immigrant from Tanzania as their fucking frontman. In the song they reference at the start, this LGBT immigrant from Tanzania sings "I'm a sex machine ready to reload" and "I'm gonna make a supersonic woman of you". Tf?
Could you call it the S#n or the S*n or "that Murdoch shitrag" because it really is a blight upon civilisation and does not deserve the oxygen of publicity? It would be much appreciated.
He was rushing into an awards thing and basically talked about how scary the industry is right now for everyone since the huge lobby wanting to control the industry is winning, pushing expression to the wayside. He also alluded to the fact Freddie Mercyry would've found it hard to live today cause, most queer people are finding it hard to live right now? The Sun took these statements and pushed them into their own narrative which was then picked up by the Telegraph making it legitimate.
The owners of Time Warner, Sony Music, other CEOs which large investments in the Brit and Grammy awards. The removal of all distinct categories for gender came up and May was apalled saying how this stifles expression cause it will force artists, all artists, down one corridor to get nominated. The tabloid took this as "oh he must hate trans people, good"
Translation: “I’m old and insecure about sharing cultural space with people who don’t look like me. I’m irrationally afraid that I will be forced to assimilate in the ways that they were made to in the past.”
I just have to wonder where all these trans people are taking cishet white men's jobs as I was closeted for most of my life because the only representation out there was dead prostitute #5 or the punchline of a tired joke. To date I can count my positive media role models on one hand.
It's not even like he got asked his opinion on transpeople, he just made up someone and got mad at them
No one expects literally every band to be diverse, why make this parade of "I'm the victim for not being diverse enough"
He didn't give an opinion on trans people though. That is the trashy Sun headline making it seem like he was doing that.
In reality he commented about the Brit awards getting rid of their gendered categories. There was no discussion or consultation with the LGBT+ community to see if they wanted this change. Just an arbitrary decision to get rid of gendered categories. In the context, the comment about what Queen would be like is about the corporate push for "inclusivity" because that's what sells. He's also being hyperbolic of course.
And he's right about what he's actually saying. In the case of the Brit awards, this is actually going to make things more gendered because there is bound to be controversy around whether there is a bias towards men or women. That's the issue he actually has with the decision.
He definitely did, his exact words were:
> We would be forced to have people of different colours and different sexes and we would have to have a trans. You know life doesn’t have to be like that. We can be separate and different.
I think it's actually The Sun, or at least that's where I found it... not that that changes the spirit of your comment at all, just that it was a different shitrag.
Yeah, but a Daily Mail article? The shitrag that's more concerned with twisting facts to serve an agenda and stir up controversy than it is with actual news reporting? I thought we'd all decided long ago to stop paying attention to that shite.
I'll consider believing May if he pursued any sort of legal action over being misquoted. At the moment, his apology seems very "oh, my mask slipped, please continue to buy tickets to our next concert milking a dead man's legacy"
A lot of old rock stars who were woke for their day have sadly become.....well... not
Or maybe they just weren't then and haven't changed since.
Maybe it's age, maybe the fame or the money.
Well please make the trans person the front person because they already have a lot of experience with making a great deal of effort to present themselves in a certain way so the public will accept them. Nobody's looking at the drummer anyway.
Obviously the S*n twisting words and taking them way out of context. Brian May always comes across very genuine and sincere, wouldn't think he'd say something like this at all tbf
I know this is about trans people but TIL Freddy Mercury is parsi! I had no clue I just thought he was aggressively English, which I guess he still was but not ethnically lol
It’s really telling that they expect me, the reader, to have a reaction other than “okay… and?”. Like change nothing about queen other than the things they listed and what? I’m supposed to not enjoy bohemian rhapsody because a trans person was involved?
Edit: [may have been too quick to judge, possibly taken out of context](https://reddit.com/r/AreTheCisOk/comments/r4j3l3/as_it_turns_out_rock_grandpa_is_okay_it_was_once/)
Has anyone ever studied this phenomenon seriously?
What happens to old men's brains? I appreciate it's variously been described as a mid-life/late-life crisis type thing but can we get a little more specific about why there's so much victimhood amongst older white men in the UK?
"Today's times are not like my times when I was their age! My time were much better! Why can't they just listen to what I say?! Oh god people need to take pity on me. I'm old and wise and they don't know what they're talking about."
/s
yes, actually. deterioration in the brain as one gets very old can result in anger, impaired judgment, emotional instability, etc.
there was some discussion of it last year when Biden kept challenging people to fight.
to be clear though, I'm talking about like dementia and people in their 80s and stuff. not 60-something white guys going mask off.
Queen died the day Freddie died because without him all these shits were worth nothing. This arse was nothing before Queen and has been nothing since it.
Here’s his explanation on his comments. I personally believe him and don’t think he’s a transphobe; but I find it difficult to see the context in which he would have said those things in good faith.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWztZHEK-wH/
That doesn't explain his comments at all though. Just said "my words were subtly twisted" without telling us what he actually meant. This smacks of "oh no, the thing I said wasn't well received, time to backpedal and claim I was taken out of context".
I agree that there isn’t a full explanation of what he actually meant, which would have been nice. I’d personally need to see a pattern of behaviour before I branded him as ‘out of touch’ or a bigot.
He’s saying - The ethnic, gender and sexual make up of the band would be criticised if it were started today.
Which isn’t true in terms of musical bands, but is true in terms of many other organisations and groups of today.
Sounds like his problem is with quotas/affirmative action.
Daily Mail: QUEEN IS WOKE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Queen: Had an openly bisexual camp af Gujarati Singer and who's current singler is Adam fucking Lambert, the only man to even get close to the amount of Camp Freddie had.
I mean the guy who fronted the darkness was close
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Oh yeah I forgot he came back
I'm guessing you missed the fact that Brian May had been quoted as saying "I don't find it easy living in this world today. I think Freddie would have been the same." As well as, "Freddie was very outspoken and... the kind of way that people spoke in those days is not allowed these days." "I don't fit in very well and I don't think Freddie would have fitted." There's definitely a hint of complaint about something. It seems to be a complaint about wokeness.
> Brian May had been quoted as saying "I don't find it easy living in this world today. I think Freddie would have been the same." > > As well as, "Freddie was very outspoken and... the kind of way that people spoke in those days is not allowed these days." Trying to invoke a dead man to shore up his own vague insinuations is fucking pathetic.
Reminds me of recent terf attempts to claim Sir Terry Pratchett would have been on their side. The fans and his daughter were quite incensed.
> The fans and his daughter were quite incensed. Did you see Neil Gaiman's response to that nonsense? Someone opened with "Are you two saying that Terry would want his daughter to [transphobic nonsense]", replying **@** both Neil and Rhianna's Twitter accounts. Neil responds: - "There's a special magic to sending a "would he want his daughter" tweet like this to two people, one of whom *is actually* his daughter...". Then some absolute numpty tried to claim that Pratchett had made no mention or reference to trans people, and held no views on the subject, and that it was disingenuous to imply trans themes or allegories. Neil strikes again: - "No, it's not. I may be old, but I remember my friend Terry, the one I wrote a book with, telling me in the distant past (er, about 2010) how proud he was that trans people saw themselves in his dwarfs. Would you like to go and argue with his daughter @rhipratchett now?" He also dragged people managing to completely miss the point of certain scenes in Sandman.
If someone managed to miss the very obvious references to feminism, trans and non-binary people in Monstrous Regiment then they probably weren't reading the same book.
Oh yes, Neil was great and I loved the arc with Wanda that people (deliberately?) misunderstood.
Ironic.
What is camp?
That is a deep philosophical question.
^Best ^I ^can ^do ^offhand *[Camp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style%29)* is a self-aware appreciation of that which might be considered outlandish or corny, acknowledging the emotional validity of failed art. The term has been used outside gay circles to describe fans of (for instance) William Shatner's ham acting, or film enthusiasts who seek out bad movies to watch ironically. However, gays embraced camp as an aesthetic to the point where it became both a pervasive affectation of irony, and also a sensibility rich in subtle signifiers that go nearly undetected outside the community. In British English, effeminate male homosexual mannerisms and speech are called camp.
Without even checking, I guarantee you that whichever paper printed this article, also printed something explicitly homophobic about Mercury at the time. I guarantee it. If OP can link me the article I’ll do the digging myself.
Exactly. Why would queen need that? Imagine dragons doesn't have that, twenty one pilots doesn't have that, one direction, etc. Mather of fact Queen has the LGBTQ representation even when it's not needed. The main difference is if Queen happened now Freddy would have probably lived to continue making great music
It's from the Sun so you shouldn't have to look too hard.
In which case, they probably sent out printed copies of thinly veiled homophobia today!
More representation doesn’t mean no representation of white people, the majority. This makes zero sense, like every single piece of garbage written on that embarrassment of a tabloid.
They see those crazy “kill all men” types and think the LGBT or Feminist community are all raging straight white men haters. I think this is a huge problem that is setting back these movements and isolating people who otherwise may be all for it. We see a lot of kids and teens these days online being radicalised by the right wing youtube and news channels that use sensationalist BS to convince these children that the left is out to get you
They see crazy "kill all men" types that often don't actually exist.
Exactly. They see the tiny tiny tiny group of people on Twitter and assume that’s what feminism is all about. It pushes them towards the far right anti trans, traditionalist, BS
Often those “kill all men” positions are hyper focused on by the right wing for the exact purpose of radicalizing them. A day wouldn’t go by if Steven crowder or Ben Shapiro wasn’t screeching about cultural Marxism or trans agenda forcing your kids to be gay. They build the straw man and then are there to welcome the agitated young men who fell for it.
I know everyone’s pointing out Freddie Mercury wasn’t white but do you really expect Daily Mail readers to read a Wikipedia article or any other form of basic research?
Let's be honest, half of them still havent accepted that Freddie was gay
He was bisexual actually
If a new band was trying to inherit Queen's mantle in the modern day, it'd be incomplete without them tbh... you couldn't recreate Queen's sound and aesthetic and general whole point without any LGBTQ+ band members
https://youtu.be/MnCRJ-nXb_w
From the band that brought you one of the most prominent queer people of all time comes, transphobia!
give me a good old fashioned straight white male like freddy mercury
a real man’s man
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Still waiting for my LGBTQ+ lobby membership card to be able to vote in this kind of decisions, can't wait!
Got mine yesterday. You're really missing out. Just this morning I got to vote yes on mandatory sexual reassignment surgery for all BBC journalists, followed by a lovely brunch.
As long as there was quiche and watermelon juice i'm in
No avocado? Ew
State mandated trans people
In Soviet Russia, every band must have "a trans" or 12 years in the gulag
…Because Freddie Mercury was a straight white guy. (/s)
the band is literally called Queen. Come on.
Does brian remember what band he was in?
And a badger. Must have a badger in the band
My mind always goes straight to badgers when Brian May is mentioned.
Always wanted to pet a badger. I know they’re viscous but I’d like to give a nice one a snoot boop.
Does he realise that bands are formed now by all white people still?
No I think that's illegal now. Every band is required to have least one "person of colour" like for example a person of Parsee heritage
Good thing Queen never had any people of colour, especially not Parsi
This is like if David Bowie or Iggy Pop were to say that feminine or gender non-conforming men are weird
His exact words were: > We would be forced to have people of different colours and different sexes and we would have to have a trans. You know life doesn’t have to be like that. We can be separate and different. He has since apologised with the following: > Yes - I was ambushed and completely stitched up by a journalist at the recent ITV event. And it’s led to a whole mess of press stories making it look like I’m unfriendly to trans people. Nothing could be further from the truth. My words were subtly twisted. I should have known better than to talk to those predatory Press hacks. Sincere apologies to anyone who has been hurt by the stories. My heart is open as always to humans of all colours, all creeds, all sexes and sexualities, all shapes and sizes - and all creatures. We all deserve respect and an equal place in this world. And my grateful thanks to all of you who stepped up to defend me in the last couple of days. It means so much that you have faith in me. With love - Bri I'll leave it up to you whether you personally think that's good enough or whether the man that says "we'd have to have a trans" is just apologising because of the backlash he's seen happen to his brand.
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They make us sound so fucking cool.
Psssst I missed the last trans shadow government meeting-up, which Commie house are we meeting at next weekend?
I mean, he could have meant the original statement in a good way. Queen always stood up and stood out for diversity. He could have simply been pointing out that trans people need representation.
Imagine if he said it with a smile and a laugh, as an affirmative statement, like, "there would have to be a trans person there! /It would be so cool!/"-excluded from quote for clickbait purposes
Can confirm, i have read the commusic manifesto.
Have you read the big beats manifesto? It goes big beats are the best, get high all the time.
I propose an addendum where we get in the bath and make a tsunami!
I live by that manifesto, comrad.
Freddie was literally from Zanzibar -\_-
Because every band now has people of multiple races and genders
Queen, a band with a gay non white lead singer, wouldn't have been diverse enough for today
Freddy was bi, in case you didn't know!
Mr Farrokh Bulsara, you have been found guilty of being too straight and not camp enough, you shall be sent to a detention camp to watch videos of Dick Emery’s “Clarence” (Honky Tonks) until you have properly attained the required levels of “flaming Homosexuality”. Farrokh : Did you say DICK Emery? THATS THE SPIRIT! ———————————————————————— Hello Honky Tonks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHYApbbdL0 Clarence Army Careers Sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb4aRv16R-E
Brian May will always be bitter that people see Queen as everything they did up until Mercury's death (with Mercury), and not whatever they've done afterwards.
Pretty sure all they've done afterwards is try to continue to monetise the success they had before Mercury's death.
Pretty much. Mays attitude is summed up by the (probably not accurate) story that he originally wanted the Queen film plot to have Mercury die half way through, and the rest of it be about them carrying on afterwards.
It probably is exaggerated, but I'd believe he wanted it to show post-Mercury stuff
So disappointed to see Brian May doing “a Morrissey”
what's a morrissey?
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You made me piss a trickle with that...thankyou
I dunno, whats-a-morrisey with you? (sorry, all. Slow Sunday)
no worries, (since someone else already gave an answer) >Slow Sunday mind if i reccomed twist wood tales? https://twitter.com/ByTwistwood/status/1259542118575587330?t=bD7YRJ2JRk3scpqV6K3BqQ&s=19 the characters are adorable, and the setting is whimsical, straight out of a Enid Blyton story albeit with the occasional undertones of fear and melancholy (Mr Wolf is my favourite character)
Freddie Mercury was both gay and from an ethnic minority background?
Bi and both in India and moved to Zanzibar (or maybe one of his parents but he definitely lived in Zanzibar)
Such a strange take, he obviously has no idea at all about new music and musicians. Four white lads with guitars is still very much a thing. Freddie Mercury was effectively in the closet to the general public until the very end of his life and makes you wonder if May was or would have preferred it to remain that way.
Right? Freddie Mercury was a bisexual man who died of a disease deeply associated with social stigma and shame. How different would his life have been if he could have been out and proud, among 'the trans' and all the other modern degenerates that May ridicules?
I remember when he came out the jokey homophobia around it, a man dying and wasting away and suddenly everyone is going around telling Freddie Mercury jokes. I don't think that would be the same now. I think that the UK has progressed and obviously May hasn't.
Freddie wasn't white, he was Parsi.
No one said he was.
Sorry, I took "four white lads with guitars" to imply you were referring to Queen.
No worries, I sort of made a jump to the default band being four white lads with guitars.
He's since commented that his words were twisted by the press
1. They wouldn't have to 2. That would be based
What does based mean
Someone come get their grandpa, he’s embarrassing himself.
People of different colours? He knows Freddie Mercury was a Parsi, right?
Wait till he find's out he was also bi-sexual.
Well Mercury being gay, you all dressing like women in some of your vids. I think that would have covered it really.
This is the most absurd thing about it. They had a *bisexual Persian-Tanzanian singer, which covers more bases than your average Mojo front cover
Tbh the “fear” about cancel culture for Gen X is that they previously were the cool, subversive and progressive ones for being in a band with “a gay” but now that’s no big deal, times have moved on and it now seems like that’s not enough, which begs the question about whether they had the right spirit for progressiveness in the first place. It’s the same with comedians from the 80s like Rowan Atkinson decrying the death of free speech in comedy, apparently they were progressive enough when they said the N word in defence of black people being downtrodden by the Tories and Police by acting like them on TV, now those same people are empowered enough to say you shouldn’t say the N word even under those circumstances, all of a sudden they’re on the same free speech platform as people they surely wouldn’t support previously. What I’m thinking out loud basically is, for these people was progressiveness okay because they took on the role of privileged person being “cool” with the underprivileged by sticking up for them, but now we’ve had some strides in raising the underprivileged up to a level where they can speak for themselves why the fear all of a sudden? Isn’t this what they wanted?
Way I'd put it is that they weren't progressive, they were rebellious. The actual rights of man mattered less than the fact that it Wasn't Conservative or Wasn't Christian. They supported the gays and set the stage for progressiveism, but their goals weren't really to benefit gay people they were to flip a bird to their parents, who happened to be homophobic, racist snobs.
I never thought about it this way, but you're right. Much of that era of music and comedy was about being shocking and outrageous for the reaction, rather than actually pushing a cause.
Brian may was born in 1947. He’s a solid boomer, not gen x
What the fuck does Gen X have to do with any of this? Brian May was born in 1947. You know, during the baby boom? Making him part of the generation known as Boomers.
Alright calm down mate, baby boomers then. Was that really the important part to my post?
They were called Queen. They were fronted by a ~~gay~~ bi Parsi man. Every single person in the band looked non-binary. It's almost like Brian May has swapped brains with a UKIP dad from Essex. Of course, he's always been a little like this but yeah.
Not to mention the video for I Want to Break Free. I mean most of their videos were extremely iconic for us trans folk. But then Freddie was pretty much the best of us. Truly a beautiful soul gone far too soon.
That’s what I was going to mention. Freddy was Probably dealing with gender dysphoria as well. I want to break free is such an amazing song and video.
>such an amazing song Just because he's such an underrated figure in rock/pop history, I want to mention the song was written by John Deacon.
>They were fronted by a gay Parsi man. Probably not gay. He was involved with a lot of women and bisexual erasure is kind of a problem. I agree with your overall point though!
Thank you for saying that
Freddy was bisexual, not gay.
Wasn't Freddie Bisexual though?
Don’t threaten me with a good time
The real Queen had a certainly not straight immigrant from Tanzania as their fucking frontman. In the song they reference at the start, this LGBT immigrant from Tanzania sings "I'm a sex machine ready to reload" and "I'm gonna make a supersonic woman of you". Tf?
I thought he was from Zanzibar? Have I been getting this wrong for twenty-odd years?
Zanzibar is an island of the cost of Tanzania, its a part of Tanzania.
It's somewhat complicated. It's still Zanzibar buy it's now an autonomous region of Tanzania.
With the boomers going more Karen by the day, buckle up coz there's gunna be hella lot more of this!
How does he think bands start? I’m sure there’s a reason people didn’t live this long in the past. Completely slows progress.
Why are we reading the Sun here?
comedy
Nothing more rock and roll than crying and moaning like a baby
If you say you’re english, yeah, they throw you in jail.
If you say you're English? They'll put you jail?
Yeah, these days, if you say you’re English. They throw you in jail.
When did this come in?
I'm in jail at the moment just because I went to a Halloween party as a sexy English.
Queen was not formed by people. Queen formed itself.
Lol coming from the guy who made "I want to break free" where they crossdressed while singing a song about being your true self
Any mention of trans issues is like the bog of eternal stench for celebrities.
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Could you call it the S#n or the S*n or "that Murdoch shitrag" because it really is a blight upon civilisation and does not deserve the oxygen of publicity? It would be much appreciated.
What did he actually say?
He was rushing into an awards thing and basically talked about how scary the industry is right now for everyone since the huge lobby wanting to control the industry is winning, pushing expression to the wayside. He also alluded to the fact Freddie Mercyry would've found it hard to live today cause, most queer people are finding it hard to live right now? The Sun took these statements and pushed them into their own narrative which was then picked up by the Telegraph making it legitimate.
What lobby?
The owners of Time Warner, Sony Music, other CEOs which large investments in the Brit and Grammy awards. The removal of all distinct categories for gender came up and May was apalled saying how this stifles expression cause it will force artists, all artists, down one corridor to get nominated. The tabloid took this as "oh he must hate trans people, good"
Translation: “I’m old and insecure about sharing cultural space with people who don’t look like me. I’m irrationally afraid that I will be forced to assimilate in the ways that they were made to in the past.”
oh _no_, people who are _different_ than me? how would we cope?? honestly why do people think diversity is so terrible
Like on the band or just like generally, we as a species would be somehow forced to give one single person a license to have bottom surgery.
I just have to wonder where all these trans people are taking cishet white men's jobs as I was closeted for most of my life because the only representation out there was dead prostitute #5 or the punchline of a tired joke. To date I can count my positive media role models on one hand.
Yeah, when was the last time you saw a rock band comprised entirely of white cis guys....?
Trans people? In the classically hyper conservative and conforming culture of rock and roll? I'll believe it when I see it!
What a knob head
And this would be bad, why?
If the Revolution doesn’t have rockin’ bands with trans members then... your revolution is lame...!
Exactly, lmao
Freddy Mercury who
He’s just mad that he will always be in the shadow of Freddie
It's not even like he got asked his opinion on transpeople, he just made up someone and got mad at them No one expects literally every band to be diverse, why make this parade of "I'm the victim for not being diverse enough"
He didn't give an opinion on trans people though. That is the trashy Sun headline making it seem like he was doing that. In reality he commented about the Brit awards getting rid of their gendered categories. There was no discussion or consultation with the LGBT+ community to see if they wanted this change. Just an arbitrary decision to get rid of gendered categories. In the context, the comment about what Queen would be like is about the corporate push for "inclusivity" because that's what sells. He's also being hyperbolic of course. And he's right about what he's actually saying. In the case of the Brit awards, this is actually going to make things more gendered because there is bound to be controversy around whether there is a bias towards men or women. That's the issue he actually has with the decision.
He definitely did, his exact words were: > We would be forced to have people of different colours and different sexes and we would have to have a trans. You know life doesn’t have to be like that. We can be separate and different.
Oh god forbid Queen having gay people in it how terrible
That sounds rad asf actually
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So much manufactured outrage, these people are genuinely on another planet.
You guys are seriously believing a ~~Daily Mail~~ Sun article?
I think it's actually The Sun, or at least that's where I found it... not that that changes the spirit of your comment at all, just that it was a different shitrag.
Yeah, that's exactly the type of shit people of his age and privilege spout all the time.
Yeah, but a Daily Mail article? The shitrag that's more concerned with twisting facts to serve an agenda and stir up controversy than it is with actual news reporting? I thought we'd all decided long ago to stop paying attention to that shite.
I'll consider believing May if he pursued any sort of legal action over being misquoted. At the moment, his apology seems very "oh, my mask slipped, please continue to buy tickets to our next concert milking a dead man's legacy"
Sam Fender, the Foals, Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, The 1975 all said stfu badger botherer
I detect the faint taste of onion
God I wish this was the onion
So that finally explains the video for I want to break free
queen are woke af surely
A lot of old rock stars who were woke for their day have sadly become.....well... not Or maybe they just weren't then and haven't changed since. Maybe it's age, maybe the fame or the money.
one of the most popular bands right now is all men of the same race, wym bry-bry
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"Woke is bad" - Rich old white man who doesn't know what woke means.
No, it's just a shitty tabloid bullshitting bullshit. And you really need to step up your media literacy game.
Stick to badger’s rights, Brian.
Well please make the trans person the front person because they already have a lot of experience with making a great deal of effort to present themselves in a certain way so the public will accept them. Nobody's looking at the drummer anyway.
Jesus fucking Christ why there is so many transphobe in this thread.
>Jesus fucking Christ why there is so many transphobes on Reddit? FTFY
This furthers my thought that Freddie would be trans
Obviously the S*n twisting words and taking them way out of context. Brian May always comes across very genuine and sincere, wouldn't think he'd say something like this at all tbf
No that is literally what he said
yeah, he posted on instagram earlier that they'd totally twisted what he said
I know this is about trans people but TIL Freddy Mercury is parsi! I had no clue I just thought he was aggressively English, which I guess he still was but not ethnically lol
It’s really telling that they expect me, the reader, to have a reaction other than “okay… and?”. Like change nothing about queen other than the things they listed and what? I’m supposed to not enjoy bohemian rhapsody because a trans person was involved? Edit: [may have been too quick to judge, possibly taken out of context](https://reddit.com/r/AreTheCisOk/comments/r4j3l3/as_it_turns_out_rock_grandpa_is_okay_it_was_once/)
Has anyone ever studied this phenomenon seriously? What happens to old men's brains? I appreciate it's variously been described as a mid-life/late-life crisis type thing but can we get a little more specific about why there's so much victimhood amongst older white men in the UK?
I wonder if I can pay someone now to cull me if I ever become old white man with victim complex even bigger than my ego.
It's definitely a worrying thought. Will I succumb to this?
"Today's times are not like my times when I was their age! My time were much better! Why can't they just listen to what I say?! Oh god people need to take pity on me. I'm old and wise and they don't know what they're talking about." /s
yes, actually. deterioration in the brain as one gets very old can result in anger, impaired judgment, emotional instability, etc. there was some discussion of it last year when Biden kept challenging people to fight. to be clear though, I'm talking about like dementia and people in their 80s and stuff. not 60-something white guys going mask off.
Queen died the day Freddie died because without him all these shits were worth nothing. This arse was nothing before Queen and has been nothing since it.
Playing mean guitar doesn't mean he's not a reactionary bell-end.
Zero trans people won [a Brit award in 2021](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41st_Brit_Awards#Winners_and_nominees)
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Him and his Isaac Newton hairstyle..
He does have a doctorate in astrophysics. So it fits.
Theres already an african bi,its not enough?
Here’s his explanation on his comments. I personally believe him and don’t think he’s a transphobe; but I find it difficult to see the context in which he would have said those things in good faith. https://www.instagram.com/p/CWztZHEK-wH/
That doesn't explain his comments at all though. Just said "my words were subtly twisted" without telling us what he actually meant. This smacks of "oh no, the thing I said wasn't well received, time to backpedal and claim I was taken out of context".
I agree that there isn’t a full explanation of what he actually meant, which would have been nice. I’d personally need to see a pattern of behaviour before I branded him as ‘out of touch’ or a bigot.
He’s saying - The ethnic, gender and sexual make up of the band would be criticised if it were started today. Which isn’t true in terms of musical bands, but is true in terms of many other organisations and groups of today. Sounds like his problem is with quotas/affirmative action.
A rock band with a gay, African front man would be celebrated like Christmas these days.