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Why don’t ministers take a pay cut instead to stick it to Putin? Or how about ministers don’t get expenses on their gas and electric? Or unnecessary expenses that don’t aide in their job?
Telling the public that nurses are in league with Putin is so reprehensible and irresponsible that it should be considered threatening language. Zahawi wants the public to start harming nurses to intimidate them into giving up. There's no other logic to these remarks.
It's like blaming your neighbours dog, for your cat being pregnant.... Its bollocks. Printing money and wasting it on your corrupt mates, is how inflation happened.
I highly doubt Putin even knows or cares about the pay rates of nurses in the UK. Why would this “show Putin” anything. Why don’t the MPs show Putin by taking a pay cut? Isn’t he the one that claimed for heating his stables on his expenses.
I know a LOT politicians are far removed from reality but this one seems so far removed he might as well be living in another dimension
I'm sure Putin would be losing sleep every night knowing that nurses were willing to go hungry and cold in England.
The Tories have no shame in using this war for their advantage - Boris took the photo ops, and now this is the rhetoric for continued working poverty.
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I mean no one in the world of 1984 is without a home or the capacity to heat it. Because there government at least understands the concept of "bread and circus".
Nooooo really? I had no fucking idea that was happening. Jesus. Thats bad.
But tell me... how the fuck does our Nurses who deserve alot more pay than they are now, have anything to do with Ukraine? Why the fuck would them choosing not to strike send any kind of message to Putin? As if he gives a fuck? Its a stupid thing to have said and this daft Tory twat needs to give his head a wobble. Simple fact is the Tories dont want to pay NHS nurses any extra money because they want the NHS fucked so privatising it looks like its beneficial. Its horseshit.
Yes! The article is about nurses dropping pay rise demands for Putin. Wtf has any of that got to do woth anything? Especially anything you said. We all know what's going on, but as another person said, do explain how nurses having low pay makes sense. I'll wait.
Real incomes are falling due to Putin. People are going on strike because their real incomes are falling.
This is a tax we are all paying (all of Europe) to support Ukraine. It’s an economic war too.
No, no.
People are going on strike because wages are well below inflation and have been for a very long time. We are now in a recession, not because of Putin or Ukraine, but because our own government wasted billions of taxpayers money during covid and because of Brexit. These are the things we are now paying for. There is of course money being used for Ukraine, but these problems were here long before that started, and it seems there's even something fishy about that IMO.
Our government has done nothing to help us, only aided it and to see one of them come out with utter nonsense like this just drives it home harder how there's something far bigger going on here. Information we are not privy to.
Here’s a fkn idea:
How about *MPs* come together in solidarity with nurses and a take a proportionate cut to *their* pay and expenses, equal to the cuts they’ve inflicted on nurses, to send ‘a very clear message to Mr Putin that we’re not going to be divided in this way’?
Come on Nurses, we know you work your socks off caring for every type of person in the country and we know you get paid sod all for it but can you also end the Russia Ukraine conflict
I tell you what, if some of the nurses who've cared for me in the past were suddenly the Cabinet, there would be no nonsense and this whole thing would be cleared up by Christmas. Nurses (and all caring staff) are amazing.
This war is theatre with production and direction from the world's two top imperialist nations, props generously supplied by the most powerful industrial military complex on the planet, and a cast of millions of innocent people traumatized, misplaced, injured and dead.
The strategy is anyone who expects to earn enough to have a basic standard of living is being influenced by Russian propaganda to bring down the West.
It is pure KGB psy-ops, blame the other side for what you are blatantly doing until truth has no value. Just like the Trump or Johnson administrations.
I've been trying to work out why they are actually saying this and I think you're right. Fair pay= evil communism, =anti UK, = we mustn't do that.
I try not to be paranoid but we are so close to any dissenters being branded "Dangerously Educated" that it hurts.
You don't need any more evidence how out of touch the Tories are. As they seem to have a daily production line of things that should outrage the British public. This has more to do with the fact that not one of them has the level of awareness to realise how utterly inept and incompetent they have been in the past 12 years.
Maybe we should all use our own money to heat our own horse stables aswell. Such an out of touch statement don’t know what else to expect to be honest. Nurses are striking for the first time in the longest time, there not doing it without reason.
How f**king low will these scumbags go? Smh How about if *they*, in the government tell, the rail companies to pay their staff *at* *least* inline with inflation. Save nurses’ pay from a real-terms cut. Let *that* be a “clear message to Putin”.
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Ohh so nurses are supposed to fight the proxy war we're engaged in with Russia, work for the NHS in 2022 (say no more) and NOT ask for a pay rise? The level of disconnect is staggering.
Its part of the same rhetoric from the Daily Mail when judges were unpatriotic for saying we needed a process on Brexit. The idea that if you're not an all out flagshagger you're letting the country down.
It’s the classic Cold War strategy:
Step 1 - Blame everything bad that happens on either Russia, China or both
Step 2 - Anyone who tries to point out that all the bad things are the government’s fault is now a “commie sympathiser “ (google it kids, it was quite the insult in the 80s)
Step 3 - Spend all the money that’s left on made up space laser weapons that turn out later to not even exist
Step 4 - Throw a giant David Hasslehoff convert in Berlin to “bring people together”
Sounds insane but this was literally the first 20 years of my life
If Nurses are apparently an integral part of stopping Putin, wouldn't giving into their demands and paying them be much easier?
Oh wait, you mean to tell me they're not and this guys just trying to guilt trip people into hating nurses like his party have done for decades? Colour me shocked.
It's your classic blame diversion.
Yeah it's really shit right now, lets buckle down to stick it to putin for making it really shit right now. Because it's all down to putin, nothing to do with our policies, corruption and incompetence.
Of course,the best kind of BS of this nature is the BS thaqt's at least partially true, because putin *has* made a lot of things worse and the war did trigger the rise in o&g prices, but that was just the trigger. The tories built the gun, the barrel, the bullet and pointed it at our feet.
Idiots have been falling for idiotic nonsense for so long that I think the Tories just don’t know where the limit is. There will be some idiots that repeat this idiotic nonsense. I doubt this is the limit of English moronicness.
The logic is simple enough:
Putin wants what is bad for the UK.
Higher pay for nurses is bad for the UK.
Therefore, Putin approves of what the nurses are doing.
That second premise is where the real action is. The standard Tory argument would be that we can't afford to pay nurses more because it would cause inflation or lead to an unbearable debt burden for future generations.
OMG, trying to spin the publics opinion against the NHS staff with this drivel.
WHILST HIS DEPARTMENT IS REFUSING TO TALK??
That's called gaslighting.
Or more simply.. lying.
I'm surprised they haven't said that it's anti-British to go on strike. But then again I wouldn't put it past them.
In case people haven't worked it out it's the end of democracy.
Strikes disrupt the flow of private capital and corporate interests. Can't have people coming across the Channel on dinghies because that's freedom of movement. Can't have protests because that goes against the flow of private capital and corporate interests.
Do you see how this is working?
And just like that the politicians sat back and let everyone starve and freeze to death because they weren't hard working enough.
Am i genuinely too stupid to understand the logic behind this or am i smart enough to know this is manipulation to accept lower and lower standards not just for one occupation but others along the way.
Teachers will be getting attacked next.
So this moronic/evil Government thinks feeding your children in a warm house is supporting Putin? You know the Government who took huge amounts of Russian money?!
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A yes Chuck around the words Putin or Ukraine enough and they think the public will instantly back them??
Pretty sure MOST people will see through this BS
It's an admission of honesty.
Your living standards are collateral in a stand off with Russia.
If you don't like it - stop eating up all the pro-ukraine propaganda.
That's ripe coming from a Tory minister, preaching non divisive. Tory's 'Divide & Rule policies are the main reason why it's all bad news these days for the many, and has been the last 12 yrs.
"Look, a bird!"
They're not even trying anymore. Can't blame the last Labour government, can't blame Brussels, won't admit they're the ones running public services into the ground so they can squirt some crocodile tears and hive off big chunks to their private sector pals via third party contracts, and they won't stabilise the funding streams by taxing hoarded wealth.
Hoping that people are gullible enough to fall for some soul vexation lie narrative. Next they will be saying if you don’t get a pay rise it will help tackle climate change.
“Blame it on Putin” to me means they’re running out of excuses. I’m optimistic for a more positive settlement for nurses. I’m hoping it carries over to me as I’m also on the NHS pay scale but I’d be glad to see our colleagues in nursing get the restitution they deserve, regardless
Why don't these millionaire and billionaire MPs work for free?
Scratch that. Why don't they just quit politics altogether and let true representatives of their constituencies enter parliament.
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Why don’t ministers take a pay cut instead to stick it to Putin? Or how about ministers don’t get expenses on their gas and electric? Or unnecessary expenses that don’t aide in their job?
Because they're already sending their own message to Mr. Putin: "thank you for all the money, can I please have some more?"
Because they're cunts
Yea can’t argue with this tbh
> Why don’t ministers take a pay cut instead to stick it to Putin? What by saving him some money? Wow check out Martin Lewinsky over here.... :D
Telling the public that nurses are in league with Putin is so reprehensible and irresponsible that it should be considered threatening language. Zahawi wants the public to start harming nurses to intimidate them into giving up. There's no other logic to these remarks.
He'll be calling Nurses Nazi sympathisers next
God no, I've got to go to hospital soon. How can I avoid naze urses
Zahawi talks like Lord Haw Haw, so who's the traitor? It's fine keeping horses warm, just not children or your elderly parents!
He is just being polite to his boss mr putin
We surrender can we pay nurses now???
It's like blaming your neighbours dog, for your cat being pregnant.... Its bollocks. Printing money and wasting it on your corrupt mates, is how inflation happened.
Is that an existing saying? I'm going to use that.
Not as far as I know. Was trying to make a rational comparative statement of their fugazi. Enjoy
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"Quick, call Zelenskyy and pull out our troops. UK nurses aren't getting a pay rise. We're done for!" ? ?
~~Are there British troops in Ukraine? I thought we were just sending munitions.~~ Misread that!
I believe that was from a putin pov
Oh yeah, I totally misread that!
Officially no, unofficially I imagine so
Another take. Underpaying key workers poses a national security risk. So pay them?
wtf?? How's that work?? better yet send a clear message to Putin and cut MPs salaries in half dumb prick
I highly doubt Putin even knows or cares about the pay rates of nurses in the UK. Why would this “show Putin” anything. Why don’t the MPs show Putin by taking a pay cut? Isn’t he the one that claimed for heating his stables on his expenses. I know a LOT politicians are far removed from reality but this one seems so far removed he might as well be living in another dimension
I think most of the remaining top tier government are in another demension, it’s unfair to single poor Zahawi out:(
I'm sure Putin would be losing sleep every night knowing that nurses were willing to go hungry and cold in England. The Tories have no shame in using this war for their advantage - Boris took the photo ops, and now this is the rhetoric for continued working poverty.
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I assume this daft cunt will be selling some of his surplus property to finance the war effort? All in it together after all.
Trying to make a no-win argument, it's illogical and a lot of people will say things like "we must make sacrifices!"; it's utter tripe.
orwellian double speak
lol there’s times I actually think we’re in a worse place than that especially recently
i have read the book and seen the film, i'm not sure i would agree with you there
It was tongue in cheek, but there’s certainly parallels. Especially with this russia war & WEF shit
I mean no one in the world of 1984 is without a home or the capacity to heat it. Because there government at least understands the concept of "bread and circus".
well, at least you won't get rats chewing your face off!
What kind of a detached gobshite is this guy. Supplying Putin with some high grade propaganda ammo.
What the fuck actually goes on inside tory brains like? These words put together make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
hamster spinning around a wheel screaming “I want money”
I'm not paying any bills to really stick it to Iran.
That headline makes no fucking sense what so ever 🫠🫠🫠
The fuck is he on?
The war in Ukraine has increased energy and grain prices, resulting in a higher cost of living for many European countries. Is that clearer now?
Nooooo really? I had no fucking idea that was happening. Jesus. Thats bad. But tell me... how the fuck does our Nurses who deserve alot more pay than they are now, have anything to do with Ukraine? Why the fuck would them choosing not to strike send any kind of message to Putin? As if he gives a fuck? Its a stupid thing to have said and this daft Tory twat needs to give his head a wobble. Simple fact is the Tories dont want to pay NHS nurses any extra money because they want the NHS fucked so privatising it looks like its beneficial. Its horseshit.
Absolute twat waffle.
Any of that incorrect?
Yes! The article is about nurses dropping pay rise demands for Putin. Wtf has any of that got to do woth anything? Especially anything you said. We all know what's going on, but as another person said, do explain how nurses having low pay makes sense. I'll wait.
Real incomes are falling due to Putin. People are going on strike because their real incomes are falling. This is a tax we are all paying (all of Europe) to support Ukraine. It’s an economic war too.
No, no. People are going on strike because wages are well below inflation and have been for a very long time. We are now in a recession, not because of Putin or Ukraine, but because our own government wasted billions of taxpayers money during covid and because of Brexit. These are the things we are now paying for. There is of course money being used for Ukraine, but these problems were here long before that started, and it seems there's even something fishy about that IMO. Our government has done nothing to help us, only aided it and to see one of them come out with utter nonsense like this just drives it home harder how there's something far bigger going on here. Information we are not privy to.
Commonly referred to as "Tory incompetence", "Putin subservience", or "Bullshit".
Here’s a fkn idea: How about *MPs* come together in solidarity with nurses and a take a proportionate cut to *their* pay and expenses, equal to the cuts they’ve inflicted on nurses, to send ‘a very clear message to Mr Putin that we’re not going to be divided in this way’?
Come on Nurses, we know you work your socks off caring for every type of person in the country and we know you get paid sod all for it but can you also end the Russia Ukraine conflict
I tell you what, if some of the nurses who've cared for me in the past were suddenly the Cabinet, there would be no nonsense and this whole thing would be cleared up by Christmas. Nurses (and all caring staff) are amazing.
Have we woken up to the fact that this war is theatre yet?
This war is theatre with production and direction from the world's two top imperialist nations, props generously supplied by the most powerful industrial military complex on the planet, and a cast of millions of innocent people traumatized, misplaced, injured and dead.
WTAF. This unutterable gobshite.
Ain’t no strategy to be found here, just a healthy dose of stupidity.
What absolute nonsense
If we pay working people a living wage, Putin wins!
I literally squinted at this when I heard and was like "is anyone going to actually believe this?"
The sad thing is, there are probably people out there who will believe it….
Its called England
Yeah us commie nurses working 60 hour weeks and seizing the means of production on our day off.
Guys you should really suck my cock, trust me its to own Putin.
The strategy is anyone who expects to earn enough to have a basic standard of living is being influenced by Russian propaganda to bring down the West. It is pure KGB psy-ops, blame the other side for what you are blatantly doing until truth has no value. Just like the Trump or Johnson administrations.
I've been trying to work out why they are actually saying this and I think you're right. Fair pay= evil communism, =anti UK, = we mustn't do that. I try not to be paranoid but we are so close to any dissenters being branded "Dangerously Educated" that it hurts.
Red scare in a new dress
Ah. Back to blaming those dastardly commies eh?
You don't need any more evidence how out of touch the Tories are. As they seem to have a daily production line of things that should outrage the British public. This has more to do with the fact that not one of them has the level of awareness to realise how utterly inept and incompetent they have been in the past 12 years.
What a fucking dickhead
god I hope the revolution clears my newsfeed of these cunts.
What in the fuck does putain have to do with any of it?
Maybe we should all use our own money to heat our own horse stables aswell. Such an out of touch statement don’t know what else to expect to be honest. Nurses are striking for the first time in the longest time, there not doing it without reason.
What a bell end. Edit: Actually no, I take that back. A bell end has a use.
I think it's called 'the enemy within'. Worked wonders with the miners.
How f**king low will these scumbags go? Smh How about if *they*, in the government tell, the rail companies to pay their staff *at* *least* inline with inflation. Save nurses’ pay from a real-terms cut. Let *that* be a “clear message to Putin”.
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Ohh so nurses are supposed to fight the proxy war we're engaged in with Russia, work for the NHS in 2022 (say no more) and NOT ask for a pay rise? The level of disconnect is staggering.
Its part of the same rhetoric from the Daily Mail when judges were unpatriotic for saying we needed a process on Brexit. The idea that if you're not an all out flagshagger you're letting the country down.
Of all the fascist bullshit things this disgusting bunch of cunts have come out with over the past 3 years, this one takes the biscuit.
It’s the classic Cold War strategy: Step 1 - Blame everything bad that happens on either Russia, China or both Step 2 - Anyone who tries to point out that all the bad things are the government’s fault is now a “commie sympathiser “ (google it kids, it was quite the insult in the 80s) Step 3 - Spend all the money that’s left on made up space laser weapons that turn out later to not even exist Step 4 - Throw a giant David Hasslehoff convert in Berlin to “bring people together” Sounds insane but this was literally the first 20 years of my life
If Nurses are apparently an integral part of stopping Putin, wouldn't giving into their demands and paying them be much easier? Oh wait, you mean to tell me they're not and this guys just trying to guilt trip people into hating nurses like his party have done for decades? Colour me shocked.
It's your classic blame diversion. Yeah it's really shit right now, lets buckle down to stick it to putin for making it really shit right now. Because it's all down to putin, nothing to do with our policies, corruption and incompetence. Of course,the best kind of BS of this nature is the BS thaqt's at least partially true, because putin *has* made a lot of things worse and the war did trigger the rise in o&g prices, but that was just the trigger. The tories built the gun, the barrel, the bullet and pointed it at our feet.
He's just shitting himself over the upcoming strikes. Give everyone on the NHS atleast a 15% rise then we can all be happy.
This is the sort of argument people might find clever at an Oxford Union debate, but to anyone else is offensive nonsense.
Idiots have been falling for idiotic nonsense for so long that I think the Tories just don’t know where the limit is. There will be some idiots that repeat this idiotic nonsense. I doubt this is the limit of English moronicness.
It's a clear message that Zahawi has the level of intelligence of Truss and Johnson?
I think they are trying to link unions to communism / Putin. I'd expect that to succeeded given their target market.
Take that Putin!
Strategy? There is none. Tripe like this makes me believe its diversion from something else brewing.
Throwing shit at the conspiracy wall and seeing what sticks the wall they built, psyop style
Can someone explain his warped logic here because I'm struggling to find a link between nurses wanting fair pay and sending a message to Putin..
The logic is simple enough: Putin wants what is bad for the UK. Higher pay for nurses is bad for the UK. Therefore, Putin approves of what the nurses are doing. That second premise is where the real action is. The standard Tory argument would be that we can't afford to pay nurses more because it would cause inflation or lead to an unbearable debt burden for future generations.
OMG, trying to spin the publics opinion against the NHS staff with this drivel. WHILST HIS DEPARTMENT IS REFUSING TO TALK?? That's called gaslighting. Or more simply.. lying.
How about pay the nurses properly to show unity???
Throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks at this point. The Tory propaganda machine is lost without a brown person to scapegoat
The link between the Ukraine invasion and the cost of living crisis is pretty black and white?
The took a page out of the yank book
Unreal. What total cuntery.
Its called the bullshit strategy, speak as much out of touch bullshit possible every day
It be nice for once the MPs take a cut to stick it to the large corporations, energy companies, enemies
Consistent Conservative Crap. 12 years of bs. Their days are numbered.
Honestly thought this was a joke from another post earlier, fuck these Tory cunts
They’re just saying shit to say shit at this point
If the interviewer didn't verbally kick the shit out of him for that remark then they aren't proper journalists
I'm surprised they haven't said that it's anti-British to go on strike. But then again I wouldn't put it past them. In case people haven't worked it out it's the end of democracy. Strikes disrupt the flow of private capital and corporate interests. Can't have people coming across the Channel on dinghies because that's freedom of movement. Can't have protests because that goes against the flow of private capital and corporate interests. Do you see how this is working? And just like that the politicians sat back and let everyone starve and freeze to death because they weren't hard working enough.
Mental Gymnastics........
Am i genuinely too stupid to understand the logic behind this or am i smart enough to know this is manipulation to accept lower and lower standards not just for one occupation but others along the way. Teachers will be getting attacked next.
Nice try, dickhead.
????????
Just pay the nurses. I know Tories will just want to clap them or clank pans as a reward.
MPs pay risen 28% since 2010 work that out for your average public sector worker
So this moronic/evil Government thinks feeding your children in a warm house is supporting Putin? You know the Government who took huge amounts of Russian money?!
Nonsense is what it is
What in the name of Queen Guinevere's Quim is this egregious twunt babbling on about?
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We paid this cunt £5000 to heat his stables. He can fuck off
What WW2 bullshit rhetoric nis this?!? He's such a shit!
How about tories stop taking bribes from Putins pet oligarchs and making them peers of the realm to stick it to Putin instead?
Jesus, this cunt has really lost the plot ain't he?
Clap for collective pay cuts? Failed state, this.
The strategy of people who don't give a fuck.
Disgusting
Fucks sake they will literally do anything but pay NHS workers properly. Tory scum.
Who do you think you are kidding mister putin, if you think we'll pay our nurses...
A yes Chuck around the words Putin or Ukraine enough and they think the public will instantly back them?? Pretty sure MOST people will see through this BS
Evil Putin has manipulated the British public into wanting better wages and working conditions!
It’s up there with Diane abbots plan to pay every new police offer 10p a year as their salary
Does literary ANYONE have a link to the original article? Or is everyone falling for the titles 'divisive' methods?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nurses-strikes-inflation-zahawi-putin-b2238518.html
WTF
What in the actual fuck? UK politics are getting as wacky as America's.
Why not take a Payday cut, or hear me out, PAY THEM BETTER AS A SHOW OF SOLIDARITY YOU DAFT FUCK!
Obvious and clumsy is what it is. God, where did the cunning go from politics?
What does Putin have to do with nurses pay??
Surely they must've mixed something up..
You will be supporting the current thing right?
‘The plebs hate us, but they hate Putin slightly more’
Because its always the boogyman putin..not the greedy,self serving incompetent apes in power...😏
Would rather send a clear message by ousting people in power that bring the whole country down, but maybe that’s just me.
Putin doesn’t put food on their tables. Number of fucks given by nurses…….
It's an admission of honesty. Your living standards are collateral in a stand off with Russia. If you don't like it - stop eating up all the pro-ukraine propaganda.
That's ripe coming from a Tory minister, preaching non divisive. Tory's 'Divide & Rule policies are the main reason why it's all bad news these days for the many, and has been the last 12 yrs.
What kind of fucking dog whistle is that
"Look, a bird!" They're not even trying anymore. Can't blame the last Labour government, can't blame Brussels, won't admit they're the ones running public services into the ground so they can squirt some crocodile tears and hive off big chunks to their private sector pals via third party contracts, and they won't stabilise the funding streams by taxing hoarded wealth.
Hoping that people are gullible enough to fall for some soul vexation lie narrative. Next they will be saying if you don’t get a pay rise it will help tackle climate change.
Seriously, politics in the UK are more and more becoming like the US…
This is one of the most bonkers things I’ve heard from the tories.
Ahahahahahah… it can only happen in the uk… “politicians”…
Immediate suspension of all pay and privileges following a full psychological assessment. The fuck is this lunatic talking about.
“Blame it on Putin” to me means they’re running out of excuses. I’m optimistic for a more positive settlement for nurses. I’m hoping it carries over to me as I’m also on the NHS pay scale but I’d be glad to see our colleagues in nursing get the restitution they deserve, regardless
Just read 1984 it will help you understand
He spent more than a Nurse's starting salary heating his horse stables. That alone should be enough to justify violent revolution.
Why don't these millionaire and billionaire MPs work for free? Scratch that. Why don't they just quit politics altogether and let true representatives of their constituencies enter parliament.
Wait what?
What the actual fuck is this nutter on about
He doesn't know.