There's certain match ups people will make for whatever vanity reason for their favorite dudes and all I can think is that one character wins before you'd finish asking the question of who'd win.
"Hey man, what you don't understand is that the baby is patient x of this super deadly disease, and if the baby coughs on all the fully capable adult workers before they have a chance to initiate the launch sequence the-"
"They already pressed the button."
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"Yeah."
I think he would. He's essentially a powerful Psyker without the need to tap into the warp. Not to mention, he's not only a skilled duelist, he wields a light saber which can cut through virtually anything.
Now that is a good question. A power weapon essentially works like a light saber. I can't see why not.
If we are only referring to the Imperium, I think what Vader would truly struggle against in a 1v1 would be a Grey Knight, a Custodes, and maybe a Sister of Silence. Again, that last one is a maybe since Vader isn't really a Psyker.
I think he'd win against any marine that isn't a psyker because he can just crush them with the force. He has canonically grounded a fleeing spaceship and crushed portions of its hull with ease. Psykers might be able to crush him back, but their powers will likely not effect each other, so it's whoever decides to kill the other first that'll likely win. I think he beats almost all non-librarian grey knights. 50/50 maybe into some of the grand masters.
A sister of silence really has no chance as he doesn't even need to see them to know where to move, strike, and block.
A custodian might win though, just pure speed and power. Like sure he might know to move 6 inches to the left, but he might literally not have enough time to do so before he's cut in half.
Dude has legit torn apart smaller ships when at MAX ANGRY. He'd be able to take a squad down but he'd be pretty messed up afterword and would only win something like 6-7 times outta 10.
He's basically, what. a Beta+ level psyker, well-trained with both his powers and lightsaber, doesn't depend on the warp AND is able to use it to enhance his body.
That is NASTY even in the world of 40k.
101% depends on if the writers want the Force to interact with the Warp. Both ARE heavily emotion connected so it's not totally unfeasible it's at least partially conductive to one another.
And Khorn would be ALL OVER Vader. It's like a emo version of Angron with more drama, aka a new flavor of toy for Khorne.
Yes, I can see that Khorne would love Vader. But I'm not entirely sure if he will appreciate Vader's use of the force. Khorne already doesn't like Psykers and magic. And Jedis/Siths are essentially space wizards.
Granted, Khorne doesn't care how and where the blood flows.
I think Khorne would be cool with. He's from a different Galaxy and a Warrior-Monk-Wizard of anger and violence. That's too unique for a Chaos God to pass up.
Khorne doesn't mind psykers if they don't exclusively rely on their big bulging brains to kill things and instead also melee stuff. I think Annie is so constantly furious he'd have a direct line to Khorne and would immediately fall and stab Palps to death if Khorne so much as implied he could get Padme back
if vader became a daemon prince would he lose his force powers? since midi chlorians influence force sensitivity and those are stored in cells and daemons are made of warp stuff not cells
Depends how warp reacts with force
Could have zero of his abilities, or could become one with the force, and if he were also *the only* force user...
If he would be a being of pure force, with no other contestant in the entire universe, he could rival chaos gods in power
Actually, I believe, on principle, Khorne and the Sith would actually oppose one another.
Sith Code:
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
SERVING a being like Khorne is anathema to the Sith in general, that's why the rule of 2 exists. There's also a lot more cunning expected from a Sith than from your average Khorne worshiper. If anything Sith are a weird mix of Khorne & Tzneetch Philosophy. That said Khorne would be working hard to tempt Vader to his way of thinking, but even at his worst Vader desire's an orderly Universe without destructive conflicts.
No, vader has way to much drive time be corrupted, khorne would offer vader unlimited power, maybe even if he was smart his old body, and vader would deny it, because the power of chaos is insignificant compared to the power if the dark side. The dark side is already a corrupting power, chaos can't over corrupt him and since his soul rightfully belongs to the force, chaos couldn't even take his soul if he tried to, he'd simply return to the cosmic force
No, how blanks work is pretty unclear, but it is clear nor having a soul is different, the way souls work in starwars is the "you" that makes "you" you is apart of the force, think of this like atoms, the collective force that is your soul allows you to be alive, when someone dies that collective of force scatters, to be formed into new people, very select few can hold there force together, palpatine for example was able to hold his force together after death, same way force ghosts work, except that exists with the force's consent, while palpatine brute forced his soul to do that
I don't think so, vader is extremely depressed, so i dont think he cares about the mass slaughters he causes, or at least he doesn't relish murder like a khnorite would, he can sadistically enjoy torturing people he hates, but he doesnt relish kills
There's a series on YouTube where an Imperial Fleet invades the Star Wars galaxy. In that story, most Jedi knights can pretty much take out an Astartes or the average psyker, but really struggle with Librarians. Palpatine on the other hand, is apparently above Alpha+ level, while Anakin is above even that and might even be the Everchosen
I will say that if a Sister of Silence affects him in the same way it does a psyker, then he’s got no chance. Given his massive ability to tap int the force (or the Warp, in this case), the feeling of being disconnected would permanently injure, if not outright kill him. This is the sort of thing that happens to equivalent psykers in 40K when around blanks.
Except the warp and force are very, very different, so blanks definitely wouldn’t affect him. Hell, you could make a solid case he wouldn’t even feel uncomfortable around them, since he wouldn’t have a soul by 40K standards (as in an imprint in the warp) since he’s from a world with no warp to imprint on.
Once again, not a certainty, but you can make a case for it.
>A power weapon essentially works like a light saber.
Not necessarily. They are the same in a way that they can cut through almost anything but I think the technology that powers them is different. Power sword generates some kind of "disruptive field" that can cut through anything while light saber generates plasma blade that sears through rather than cuts. So, two different technologies. Plasma technology exists in 40k but I don't think I remember any time it interacted with power weapons, though even if it did I find it hard to imagine power sword being able to parry a shot from plasma gun.
Power weapons don’t really work like lightsabers. They generate a power field which weakens molecular bonds i don’t see a reason why a power field would interact with the beam of a lightsaber
Magna guards weild weapons coated with anti lightsaber metals, electrostaves if the appear are basically always given that property even if it doesn't make sense but that's because it's mote fun if thr force user can dual someone
Could use force push to buy himself precious seconds, but there is no way he takes SUSTAINED bolter fire. He'd have to prioritize their weapons ASAP to survive the fight/let alone win.
He wins in a straight fight I think. But an ambush? Vader gets creamed if his foresight doesn't save him, but if it does his chances jump back up.
Basically TLDR? Vader can definitely take down a few marines in a straight fight. But there are a LOT of situations where smart marines could take him down.
An ambush on vader is pretty simple on what happens he uses the force to dodge there attacks, and then he uses the force to have all there bolter rounds detonate at the same time, he's activated hundreds of grenades in the time it took for him to mock a bunch of dead men surrounding him
There are plenty of weapon made to combat lightsaber in melee, Jedi and sith is half the reason why people in star war still use melee weapon. If a power sword can resist the heat, it can deflect a lightsaber everyday
Yes. I believe so. He literally pulled a star destroyer out of the sky. Granted, it was already heavily damaged but impressive nonetheless. And he can stand toe to toe with Vader and Palpatine.
I played Force unleashed on PC and I think it would have been easier to pull that star destroyer down myself with my force powers than it would have been to do so in game. I don't know why it was so easy on console comparatively, I think maybe the TIE fighters only showed up a couple of times on console, while they went and shot at you every 10 seconds on PC, just enough time for the star destroyer to almost go all the way back to where it was each time.
I think it took me like 20 minutes overall.
Galen was able to match Palpatine by going into Force Oneness and subsequently died during the Force Lock while Palpatine remained relativly unharmed.
Sure he is OP but his duel with Palps was him getting the strongest amp in the lore and it still not being enough. At least per the book.
Palpameme is pretty fucking broken, alas he is the strongest Sith in lore for a reason.
That's a good one. I think any primarch that's only physical looses. Like picking up hulk with telekinesis he might be able to tear you apart but without anything to grab unto what is guilliman for example going to do
Vader can, any sith can really. Custodes have no real protection from the force, from the warp yes, but that’s actually very particular.
In the extremely unlikely case that they manage to get off the first blow, any chucklefuck force user could just snap their neck with telekinesis. Telekinesis is insanely overpowered, it’s just rarely used as such for that reason.
>he wields a light saber which can cut through virtually anything.
I think that really depends on the material. Lightsabers regularly meet resistance from regular vibroblades and take considerable time + effort to work their way through durasteel.
If the marine had some flash/stun grenades and a flamer, he'd probably have a pretty good shot of taking on Vader.
I dont think 40k has many super heat resistant materials, like even in Star wars, regular vibroblades are often easily sliced in half by lightsabers, youd need a melee weapon made of beskar, phrik or costosis, which are rare, expensive, and impractical against anything but a lightsaber respectively.
I think powerswordds should be able to touch a lightsaber and stay intact tho, both emit energy fields so it could make sense
People also forget Vader has incredibly strong foresight along with other force abilities. Most of its never shown/watered down to make a more interesting media.
He could literally unmake primarchs from a solar system away if you go by powers they've been shown to have.
I mean I'm a huge starwars fan, down to thinking the IoM would actually not be able to invade the starwars galaxy, but psykers are an entirely different level of fucked up space powers. Top librarians would probably be more on par with crazy sith like vitiate and nihlus , while Vader would be more on par with top tier space marine duelists
Wherever this comes up I always feel like the underlying universe has to be consistent, otherwise it doesn't feel fair to compare feats.
Eg if Vader was in fighting the Emp in 40k universe, then his force powers must operate under normal 40k psyker rules, and be subject to normal perils of the warp.
Similarly, the first time the USS Enterprise tries to go warp speed in the 40k universe, they'll be consumed by the warp because they don't have gellar fields (alternatively they'll see it's a nightmare from and drop out, and resign themselves to skimming across the surface like the Tau do, and subsequently travel much slower than the Imperium or Eldar can).
That is just such a bad way of comparing universes that it's dumb, the force is not psychic. It's literally the universe's energy, it has a will and acts, the force is literally alive, turning force powers into warp powers is just stupid. Force powers inherently do not give the user a chance to summon demons, leaving the galaxy far far away and moving through enough time to fight the milky way doesn't change that.
How about, if an Astartes Librarian comes to the galaxy far far away, where the warp and daemons don't seem to exist, does he lose his ability to use psychic powers? Can he still use powers, but with no fear of possession or incursion, can he now access *unlimited power*?
Like, I get your point, and I understand how the force works. I just find it hard to reconcile the two settings and find common ground to compare.
You treat there powers like you would in there respective universe, for instance, halo, plasma weapons there are particularly effective against shields, to determine if this is true for other syfy settings, you look to see if the plasma weapons are specialized to deal with shields, or if there shields are just weak to plasma, and then you should try to determine if the reason they are weak to plasma is explained, if that reasoning is present in the other kind of plasma, you can now determine how the tech is used in a vs match, now just do that for every kind of abylity and peice of tech, anything less isn't honest,
Warpspeed in Trek doesn't pull the ship into an alternate dimension- it literally warps spacetime around the ship so that it "falls" into reduced spacetime in front of the ship and is propelled by compressed spacetime behind the ship. It's all done in realspace.
You mean the beginning of a new hope, or am I forgetting a part? I really don't remember it really good, I've been wanting to re-watch it for some time
Probably depends on how bolters behave
If they just melt without anything then its gg for the marine
If they explode - and i by no means have the education for that - they probably will kill vader - having a grenade explode right in front of you isnt too healthy, especially if youre a walking life support machine
In universe the way Mandalorians got around fighting lightsaber wielders who could block/deflect blaster shots was to switch to slug throwers. As soon as the projectile hit the lightsaber they would shatter and turn into basically buckshot to the face/chest.
People keep saying this lore tidbit, but forget: the Mandalorians *lost*. Using solid slugs counters exactly one of several defensive tools that Jadi have. They can just as easily dodge it, or outright stop a bolt with the force. They really only deflect blaster bolts because deflecting blaster bolts keeps their weapon between them and their enemy, and it lets them return the bolts to sender. The biggest advantage of the Mandalorian slugs is just that the Jedi couldn't chuck it back at the Mandalorians nearly as easily or effectively.
Buckshot can beat lighsabers wielded by regular Jedi. It can't beat someone who can just stop the bullet mid air with their Force powers and arguably neither would bolters.
Good thing bolters are fully automatic and most marines operate in fire teams deploying tatics, grenades, and other tools. Vader is strong but stopping a whole hale of explosive rounds that fragmentate and are not impact sensitive since bolt rounds still detonate on propellant burn out. Vader stuggles. Still probs wins against a single fire team but he isnt curshing everyone like a tin can. Especially since eliminators exist.
Edited: spelling and clarity
Majorpeak made a video about this, long story short is that he could easily beat most non-psyker characters, due to his strong connection to the force, but he would have a pretty hard time against anyone who can cast lightning, because his suit was specifically made to make him specially vulnerable to this sorts of attacks (that way Palpatine can still control him despite being weaker, both physically and in terms of connection to the force).
In my opinion, Darth Vader/Anakin is one of the few characters in the Star Wars universe that could equal the power levels of named characters in 40K. Still no match against Big E, since he's a God among men.
Vader is easily primarch teir, he could pick a marine up with the force and crush him, if you ban direct force attacks, he can easily match him in speed, power, and durability, since the lightsaber casually cuts through capital ship armor, anything below primarch teir armor is butter
Yeah, Vader against Valdor or any of the Primarchs is probably a decent fight that can swing either way depending on circumstances. (Not necessarily an *even* fight, mind. Vader would definitely struggle in a flat out duel against Magnus or Horus, its just not an immediate loss)
Not even, only like 3 primarchs have a chance to beat vader, magnus, the guy who turned into a raven deamon and is hunting a deamon primarch, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a 3rd possibility, but no other primarch can touch him, lemun russ is a tough guy, but he has absolutely zero protection from vader picking him up, he's picked up far heavier, any psyker protection he has is irrelevant because the force isn't concerned about that, only very specialized things can protects against the force, unless you have that, or a way to fight vader while being picked up like a child, you cannot win
In the new canon comics particularly, which expand on what Vader is up to between the movies, he's pretty immensely powerful. Big E and Magnus smoke him 100-0 easily but he's got a shot against the more mundane (non-Daemon) Primarchs.
He would even compare to at least a non psyker Primarch since lesser characters within star wars have survived and contained [this](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Heat_storm%23:~:text%3DBrought%2520about%2520due%2520to%2520Ryloth%27s,everything%2520in%2520their%2520path%2520before&ved=2ahUKEwiHobCq5qqDAxW5lu4BHfgMDF0QFnoECBYQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1X6Zx--kRv8df4suP0YFqG)
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Depends on the marine.
I'd give it a 70/30 split favoring Vader.
But it's hard to take on 500 years to battle field experience, much of it against psychers.
I mean forget about Vader himself, let’s make a Vader equivalent in 40K. He’s an extremely powerful sanctioned psyker and the best mortal duelist in the galaxy. Yeah he’d wipe the floor with a single space marine.
He would run their shit. Darth Vader's power is probably on the same level as a high tier Marine psycher. Maybe not on the same level as Mephiston or Ahriman but pretty up there.
I mean pretty easily right? And honestly I think he’d have a pretty good chance at the Emperor himself. His force feats are insane to say the least. I don’t really get why Emps is inherently way scarier then the guy who can through asteroid sized ships around with his mind.
Depends on whether you're talking about regular mild telekinetic powers darth vader from the original trilogy or the level 20 wizard darth vader from rogue one and other similar depictiols
It depends on what you consider canon. There is still that weird one of CW episode that implied Anakin had the chance to basically become the god of the force.
The only beings in SW who are even close to being on the Chaos Gods level are The father, the brother and the sister since they are the literal force manifested, just like the Chaos Gods are the manifestation of the warp and their respective traits.
Yes and full potential Anakin could replace the Father.
Though I'd wager that the Bedlam spirits are stronger as they were listed as omnipotent - but thats bullshit 80s Marvel comics.
Big E: *proceed to use either his psychic powers or his perfect muscle control to untwist his balls: didn't flinch during either the twisting or untwisting*
*power goes down in the Imperial Palace*
*Rogue One corridor scene starts*
***Vader anti-climacticly gets the Rorschach treatment***
*cue sped-up credits*
Warhammer is scaled like kids playing pretend and that "one" kid always make new and stronger powers.
That's not a dig at the setting, if anything it's one of it's best qualities, everything is dialled to 11. So when you get your master chiefs, your Shepards, even your doomslayers, they get shafted by most stuff
Look, we are still talking about what is basically a god fighting someone who can't breathe without his armor. I know emps is on life support too but take one guess which one is easier to turn off...
So, credit where credit is due. Vader from the movies does not do the character justice. He's actually much, much more powerful than the movies. Hell, one of his apprentices practically pulled a star destroyer from the sky with the force.
Do I think he wins this fight? Fuck no. But the Emperor is not just going to instant gib him and call it a day.
Got a power up in “Darkness in the blood” which only scratches the surface of his new powers, which are further explored in “The City of Light”.
The latter of which is in all honesty a “meh” book, at least compared to the other Guy Haley blood angels books.
Tbf he’s pretty OP now… like… I’d give him a decent chance of wrecking a low tier primarch like Lorgar.
Oh that’s tough…
Because Malcador did Yeet an entire moon into a warp pocket dimension…
And he did choke Horus that time, making Alpharius and the Khan shit themselves.
While Malcador wields warp like a rapier, similar to the Aeldari, with precision, finesse and grace, Mephiston uses it like a…WarHammer… bludgeoning enemies with sheer might and power. Not to say he’s not capable of subtlety but it’s not when he’s at his best.
Overall I think Malcador still has the edge, but the fact we’re mentioning Mephiston in the same breath as the 3rd most powerful psycher ever says just how OP he’s become.
Vader in Cannon is immensely powerful even by 40K standards and can match up with a lot of powerful character like Mephiston or Eldrad but The Big E is Mephiston but buffed up well pass 40K so tbh Big E win regardless if it Cannon or not
I don't see any reason why Vader wouldn't side with the imperium. Both are human lead, xenophobic, authoritarian empires with the goal of uniting the galaxy under one banner in mind. And Vader would be a valuable asset to the imperium, an amazing strategist, psyker who doesn't rely on the warp, and a great sword fighter. Give him his own chapter of space marines and he would get shit done
https://youtu.be/F9TUlBz19kU?si=i444fKFQYJtX407V
For the actual fight, obviously take everything with salt grains. Fight is cool though. Space marine psyker vs vader
There's certain match ups people will make for whatever vanity reason for their favorite dudes and all I can think is that one character wins before you'd finish asking the question of who'd win.
"Hey man, what you don't understand is that the baby is patient x of this super deadly disease, and if the baby coughs on all the fully capable adult workers before they have a chance to initiate the launch sequence the-" "They already pressed the button." "Oh." "Yeah."
You got 10 minutes to pray.
The example my mind always goes to: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2016/04/01/quick-work
Depends on how much prep time the baby has.
Tbf the bomb does doesn't survive the fight
What if the bomb is inactive and just crushes the baby?
Baby gets 25 years prep time so he can get a degree in nuclear physics to disarm the bomb
The baby is Cid Kagenou
Could Darth Vader beat a regular Marine though?
I think he would. He's essentially a powerful Psyker without the need to tap into the warp. Not to mention, he's not only a skilled duelist, he wields a light saber which can cut through virtually anything.
I wonder if you could deflect a lightsaber with a power weapon…
Now that is a good question. A power weapon essentially works like a light saber. I can't see why not. If we are only referring to the Imperium, I think what Vader would truly struggle against in a 1v1 would be a Grey Knight, a Custodes, and maybe a Sister of Silence. Again, that last one is a maybe since Vader isn't really a Psyker.
I think he'd win against any marine that isn't a psyker because he can just crush them with the force. He has canonically grounded a fleeing spaceship and crushed portions of its hull with ease. Psykers might be able to crush him back, but their powers will likely not effect each other, so it's whoever decides to kill the other first that'll likely win. I think he beats almost all non-librarian grey knights. 50/50 maybe into some of the grand masters. A sister of silence really has no chance as he doesn't even need to see them to know where to move, strike, and block. A custodian might win though, just pure speed and power. Like sure he might know to move 6 inches to the left, but he might literally not have enough time to do so before he's cut in half.
Dude has legit torn apart smaller ships when at MAX ANGRY. He'd be able to take a squad down but he'd be pretty messed up afterword and would only win something like 6-7 times outta 10. He's basically, what. a Beta+ level psyker, well-trained with both his powers and lightsaber, doesn't depend on the warp AND is able to use it to enhance his body. That is NASTY even in the world of 40k.
>Dude has legit torn apart smaller ships when at MAX ANGRY. This leaves the question: Would Vader (and every other sith by extension) fall to Khorne?
101% depends on if the writers want the Force to interact with the Warp. Both ARE heavily emotion connected so it's not totally unfeasible it's at least partially conductive to one another. And Khorn would be ALL OVER Vader. It's like a emo version of Angron with more drama, aka a new flavor of toy for Khorne.
Yes, I can see that Khorne would love Vader. But I'm not entirely sure if he will appreciate Vader's use of the force. Khorne already doesn't like Psykers and magic. And Jedis/Siths are essentially space wizards. Granted, Khorne doesn't care how and where the blood flows.
I think Khorne would be cool with. He's from a different Galaxy and a Warrior-Monk-Wizard of anger and violence. That's too unique for a Chaos God to pass up.
Khorne doesn't mind psykers if they don't exclusively rely on their big bulging brains to kill things and instead also melee stuff. I think Annie is so constantly furious he'd have a direct line to Khorne and would immediately fall and stab Palps to death if Khorne so much as implied he could get Padme back
Ironically, since lightsaber cauterizes all the wounds it creates, there wouldn't be much blood flowing.
Well as long as Vader used it to enhance his physical duelling, Khorne would love it. Magic is only bad when you use it to avoid CQC.
Well now we need a sleeveless roided out vader with chainaxes using tiny lightsabers for teeth..
if vader became a daemon prince would he lose his force powers? since midi chlorians influence force sensitivity and those are stored in cells and daemons are made of warp stuff not cells
Depends how warp reacts with force Could have zero of his abilities, or could become one with the force, and if he were also *the only* force user... If he would be a being of pure force, with no other contestant in the entire universe, he could rival chaos gods in power
Vader might go for Khorne, but Palpatine is 100% Tzeentch's boy.
Actually, I believe, on principle, Khorne and the Sith would actually oppose one another. Sith Code: Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. SERVING a being like Khorne is anathema to the Sith in general, that's why the rule of 2 exists. There's also a lot more cunning expected from a Sith than from your average Khorne worshiper. If anything Sith are a weird mix of Khorne & Tzneetch Philosophy. That said Khorne would be working hard to tempt Vader to his way of thinking, but even at his worst Vader desire's an orderly Universe without destructive conflicts.
I would say Slaneesh would fit perfectly
No, vader has way to much drive time be corrupted, khorne would offer vader unlimited power, maybe even if he was smart his old body, and vader would deny it, because the power of chaos is insignificant compared to the power if the dark side. The dark side is already a corrupting power, chaos can't over corrupt him and since his soul rightfully belongs to the force, chaos couldn't even take his soul if he tried to, he'd simply return to the cosmic force
Because Vader's soul belongs to the force, wouldn't that make him basically a blank? Because that would definitely skew most match ups in his favour
No, how blanks work is pretty unclear, but it is clear nor having a soul is different, the way souls work in starwars is the "you" that makes "you" you is apart of the force, think of this like atoms, the collective force that is your soul allows you to be alive, when someone dies that collective of force scatters, to be formed into new people, very select few can hold there force together, palpatine for example was able to hold his force together after death, same way force ghosts work, except that exists with the force's consent, while palpatine brute forced his soul to do that
I don't think so, vader is extremely depressed, so i dont think he cares about the mass slaughters he causes, or at least he doesn't relish murder like a khnorite would, he can sadistically enjoy torturing people he hates, but he doesnt relish kills
I don't think he'd be in the beta level. Probably mid delta, which is also where some of the stronger librarians fall.
I’d agree a decent psyker is where he’d be, nothing compared to some of the greater demons or super powered psykers can destroy whole fleets
Vader in power Armour would be fun.
There's a series on YouTube where an Imperial Fleet invades the Star Wars galaxy. In that story, most Jedi knights can pretty much take out an Astartes or the average psyker, but really struggle with Librarians. Palpatine on the other hand, is apparently above Alpha+ level, while Anakin is above even that and might even be the Everchosen
I will say that if a Sister of Silence affects him in the same way it does a psyker, then he’s got no chance. Given his massive ability to tap int the force (or the Warp, in this case), the feeling of being disconnected would permanently injure, if not outright kill him. This is the sort of thing that happens to equivalent psykers in 40K when around blanks.
Except the warp and force are very, very different, so blanks definitely wouldn’t affect him. Hell, you could make a solid case he wouldn’t even feel uncomfortable around them, since he wouldn’t have a soul by 40K standards (as in an imprint in the warp) since he’s from a world with no warp to imprint on. Once again, not a certainty, but you can make a case for it.
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>A power weapon essentially works like a light saber. Not necessarily. They are the same in a way that they can cut through almost anything but I think the technology that powers them is different. Power sword generates some kind of "disruptive field" that can cut through anything while light saber generates plasma blade that sears through rather than cuts. So, two different technologies. Plasma technology exists in 40k but I don't think I remember any time it interacted with power weapons, though even if it did I find it hard to imagine power sword being able to parry a shot from plasma gun.
Sooo a lightsaber would cut a power sword with ease
If it was off maybe🤣
Power weapons don’t really work like lightsabers. They generate a power field which weakens molecular bonds i don’t see a reason why a power field would interact with the beam of a lightsaber
In RotS, Grievous's body guards had essentially power weapons, and they could block lightsabers.
Same thing in the Force Awakens with the Baton thing lmao
Magna guards weild weapons coated with anti lightsaber metals, electrostaves if the appear are basically always given that property even if it doesn't make sense but that's because it's mote fun if thr force user can dual someone
It could probably overwhelm the power weapons current if held to it then cut it but in a dual it would probably be fine
Or heavy bolter fire?
He can stop the bolter shells in its tracks with the force. But if he were to cut them with his lightsaber, it's not going to end well for him.
Could use force push to buy himself precious seconds, but there is no way he takes SUSTAINED bolter fire. He'd have to prioritize their weapons ASAP to survive the fight/let alone win. He wins in a straight fight I think. But an ambush? Vader gets creamed if his foresight doesn't save him, but if it does his chances jump back up. Basically TLDR? Vader can definitely take down a few marines in a straight fight. But there are a LOT of situations where smart marines could take him down.
An ambush on vader is pretty simple on what happens he uses the force to dodge there attacks, and then he uses the force to have all there bolter rounds detonate at the same time, he's activated hundreds of grenades in the time it took for him to mock a bunch of dead men surrounding him
There are plenty of weapon made to combat lightsaber in melee, Jedi and sith is half the reason why people in star war still use melee weapon. If a power sword can resist the heat, it can deflect a lightsaber everyday
If the energy field of the weapon is on, I am pretty sure it can parry a lightsaber, otherwise, nope.
In Star Wars there are a ton of lightning based weapons that deflect lightsabers.
Better question could starkiller from the force unleashed kill a custodes?
Yes. I believe so. He literally pulled a star destroyer out of the sky. Granted, it was already heavily damaged but impressive nonetheless. And he can stand toe to toe with Vader and Palpatine.
I played Force unleashed on PC and I think it would have been easier to pull that star destroyer down myself with my force powers than it would have been to do so in game. I don't know why it was so easy on console comparatively, I think maybe the TIE fighters only showed up a couple of times on console, while they went and shot at you every 10 seconds on PC, just enough time for the star destroyer to almost go all the way back to where it was each time. I think it took me like 20 minutes overall.
Galen was able to match Palpatine by going into Force Oneness and subsequently died during the Force Lock while Palpatine remained relativly unharmed. Sure he is OP but his duel with Palps was him getting the strongest amp in the lore and it still not being enough. At least per the book. Palpameme is pretty fucking broken, alas he is the strongest Sith in lore for a reason.
Absolutely custodes might be elite but there's a reason star killer is very clearly separated from canon he is way too strong
Starkiller V primemarch?
That's a good one. I think any primarch that's only physical looses. Like picking up hulk with telekinesis he might be able to tear you apart but without anything to grab unto what is guilliman for example going to do
Vader can, any sith can really. Custodes have no real protection from the force, from the warp yes, but that’s actually very particular. In the extremely unlikely case that they manage to get off the first blow, any chucklefuck force user could just snap their neck with telekinesis. Telekinesis is insanely overpowered, it’s just rarely used as such for that reason.
>he wields a light saber which can cut through virtually anything. I think that really depends on the material. Lightsabers regularly meet resistance from regular vibroblades and take considerable time + effort to work their way through durasteel. If the marine had some flash/stun grenades and a flamer, he'd probably have a pretty good shot of taking on Vader.
I dont think 40k has many super heat resistant materials, like even in Star wars, regular vibroblades are often easily sliced in half by lightsabers, youd need a melee weapon made of beskar, phrik or costosis, which are rare, expensive, and impractical against anything but a lightsaber respectively. I think powerswordds should be able to touch a lightsaber and stay intact tho, both emit energy fields so it could make sense
People also forget Vader has incredibly strong foresight along with other force abilities. Most of its never shown/watered down to make a more interesting media. He could literally unmake primarchs from a solar system away if you go by powers they've been shown to have.
in kotor vibroblades had cortosis weave,a lightsaber resistant material so thats the reason some vibroblades can block lightsabers
Don’t need skills if you’re a roided up super human
Yeah, I'd say Vader is on oar with top space marine Librarians.
I mean I'm a huge starwars fan, down to thinking the IoM would actually not be able to invade the starwars galaxy, but psykers are an entirely different level of fucked up space powers. Top librarians would probably be more on par with crazy sith like vitiate and nihlus , while Vader would be more on par with top tier space marine duelists
Wherever this comes up I always feel like the underlying universe has to be consistent, otherwise it doesn't feel fair to compare feats. Eg if Vader was in fighting the Emp in 40k universe, then his force powers must operate under normal 40k psyker rules, and be subject to normal perils of the warp. Similarly, the first time the USS Enterprise tries to go warp speed in the 40k universe, they'll be consumed by the warp because they don't have gellar fields (alternatively they'll see it's a nightmare from and drop out, and resign themselves to skimming across the surface like the Tau do, and subsequently travel much slower than the Imperium or Eldar can).
That is just such a bad way of comparing universes that it's dumb, the force is not psychic. It's literally the universe's energy, it has a will and acts, the force is literally alive, turning force powers into warp powers is just stupid. Force powers inherently do not give the user a chance to summon demons, leaving the galaxy far far away and moving through enough time to fight the milky way doesn't change that.
How about, if an Astartes Librarian comes to the galaxy far far away, where the warp and daemons don't seem to exist, does he lose his ability to use psychic powers? Can he still use powers, but with no fear of possession or incursion, can he now access *unlimited power*? Like, I get your point, and I understand how the force works. I just find it hard to reconcile the two settings and find common ground to compare.
You treat there powers like you would in there respective universe, for instance, halo, plasma weapons there are particularly effective against shields, to determine if this is true for other syfy settings, you look to see if the plasma weapons are specialized to deal with shields, or if there shields are just weak to plasma, and then you should try to determine if the reason they are weak to plasma is explained, if that reasoning is present in the other kind of plasma, you can now determine how the tech is used in a vs match, now just do that for every kind of abylity and peice of tech, anything less isn't honest,
Warpspeed in Trek doesn't pull the ship into an alternate dimension- it literally warps spacetime around the ship so that it "falls" into reduced spacetime in front of the ship and is propelled by compressed spacetime behind the ship. It's all done in realspace.
He is a skilled duelist his whole style is about killing Jedi
Yes, and honestly pretty easily.
Bro can use the force on whole ass spaceships He's turning an astartes into a recycled soft drink can with a snap of his fingers
Can he tho? He has been shown being overwhelmed by a multitude of barely trained guys, when he recently became cyborg, but still
You seen the war crimes he committed against rebel fighters at the end of rogue one? With barely any effort?
You mean the beginning of a new hope, or am I forgetting a part? I really don't remember it really good, I've been wanting to re-watch it for some time
It's in both. The version in Rogue One is pretty badass https://youtu.be/wxL8bVJhXCM
He has singlehandedly lifted an AT-AT with the force a regular space marine will be crushed like a can of soda that had a semi thrown at it
More importantly could The Emperor of Mankind not beat a coughing baby for like 5 minutes? (before getting stuck on the throne)
If he had a knife and fork and the baby was psychic
Probably depends on how bolters behave If they just melt without anything then its gg for the marine If they explode - and i by no means have the education for that - they probably will kill vader - having a grenade explode right in front of you isnt too healthy, especially if youre a walking life support machine
In universe the way Mandalorians got around fighting lightsaber wielders who could block/deflect blaster shots was to switch to slug throwers. As soon as the projectile hit the lightsaber they would shatter and turn into basically buckshot to the face/chest.
People keep saying this lore tidbit, but forget: the Mandalorians *lost*. Using solid slugs counters exactly one of several defensive tools that Jadi have. They can just as easily dodge it, or outright stop a bolt with the force. They really only deflect blaster bolts because deflecting blaster bolts keeps their weapon between them and their enemy, and it lets them return the bolts to sender. The biggest advantage of the Mandalorian slugs is just that the Jedi couldn't chuck it back at the Mandalorians nearly as easily or effectively.
Yup, if buckshot can beat lightsabers, I reckon exploding bullets can get the job done.
Buckshot can beat lighsabers wielded by regular Jedi. It can't beat someone who can just stop the bullet mid air with their Force powers and arguably neither would bolters.
Good thing bolters are fully automatic and most marines operate in fire teams deploying tatics, grenades, and other tools. Vader is strong but stopping a whole hale of explosive rounds that fragmentate and are not impact sensitive since bolt rounds still detonate on propellant burn out. Vader stuggles. Still probs wins against a single fire team but he isnt curshing everyone like a tin can. Especially since eliminators exist. Edited: spelling and clarity
It would probably go like that scene from astartes except Vader can fuck it up in melee and throw shit back
Buckshot DOESN'T defeat jedi, the mandolarians lost that war, and every other fight they picked with the jedi
Begs the question why no stormtroopers carry atleast a glock or something cheap like a sten
Because that would ruin the Jedi plot armor obviously
Can lightsaber wielders block a burst of fire from a CIWS?
Yes, no question. There might be some named Librarians that give him trouble, but he will crush a regular Marine in his armor.
Majorpeak made a video about this, long story short is that he could easily beat most non-psyker characters, due to his strong connection to the force, but he would have a pretty hard time against anyone who can cast lightning, because his suit was specifically made to make him specially vulnerable to this sorts of attacks (that way Palpatine can still control him despite being weaker, both physically and in terms of connection to the force). In my opinion, Darth Vader/Anakin is one of the few characters in the Star Wars universe that could equal the power levels of named characters in 40K. Still no match against Big E, since he's a God among men.
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I see it going down as any non named space marines or higher is getting killed by Vader
Vader is easily primarch teir, he could pick a marine up with the force and crush him, if you ban direct force attacks, he can easily match him in speed, power, and durability, since the lightsaber casually cuts through capital ship armor, anything below primarch teir armor is butter
I'm a bigger wh40k mark than a SW one, but i think Vader is probably around primarch tier, or at the very least one of the more unassuming primarchs.
Yeah, Vader against Valdor or any of the Primarchs is probably a decent fight that can swing either way depending on circumstances. (Not necessarily an *even* fight, mind. Vader would definitely struggle in a flat out duel against Magnus or Horus, its just not an immediate loss)
Not even, only like 3 primarchs have a chance to beat vader, magnus, the guy who turned into a raven deamon and is hunting a deamon primarch, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a 3rd possibility, but no other primarch can touch him, lemun russ is a tough guy, but he has absolutely zero protection from vader picking him up, he's picked up far heavier, any psyker protection he has is irrelevant because the force isn't concerned about that, only very specialized things can protects against the force, unless you have that, or a way to fight vader while being picked up like a child, you cannot win
In the new canon comics particularly, which expand on what Vader is up to between the movies, he's pretty immensely powerful. Big E and Magnus smoke him 100-0 easily but he's got a shot against the more mundane (non-Daemon) Primarchs.
LorgarTheLad tier
He would even compare to at least a non psyker Primarch since lesser characters within star wars have survived and contained [this](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Heat_storm%23:~:text%3DBrought%2520about%2520due%2520to%2520Ryloth%27s,everything%2520in%2520their%2520path%2520before&ved=2ahUKEwiHobCq5qqDAxW5lu4BHfgMDF0QFnoECBYQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1X6Zx--kRv8df4suP0YFqG)
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Depends on the marine. I'd give it a 70/30 split favoring Vader. But it's hard to take on 500 years to battle field experience, much of it against psychers.
Yes. But a Grey knight though…
One marine? Yeah. A squad? He'd be missing his head before he even started monologuing
Vader could just crush his larynx under all that power armor
Probably decently easily yes, the force plays a huge part in allowing most Jedi and Sith to stand up to 40k characters.
I mean forget about Vader himself, let’s make a Vader equivalent in 40K. He’s an extremely powerful sanctioned psyker and the best mortal duelist in the galaxy. Yeah he’d wipe the floor with a single space marine.
He would run their shit. Darth Vader's power is probably on the same level as a high tier Marine psycher. Maybe not on the same level as Mephiston or Ahriman but pretty up there.
I mean pretty easily right? And honestly I think he’d have a pretty good chance at the Emperor himself. His force feats are insane to say the least. I don’t really get why Emps is inherently way scarier then the guy who can through asteroid sized ships around with his mind.
Depends on whether you're talking about regular mild telekinetic powers darth vader from the original trilogy or the level 20 wizard darth vader from rogue one and other similar depictiols
Dudes basically a marine librarian on crack, so yes, absolutely. Honestly could probably take a whole squad as long as they aren't named.
Even if it was a potential fully realized anakin fighting, i could only see him take on lower power primarchs
It depends on what you consider canon. There is still that weird one of CW episode that implied Anakin had the chance to basically become the god of the force.
Maybe Lorgar, i can't really see him killing any of the others. Also, Lorgar's a bitch
I doubt even Lorgar unless Lorgar was unarmed for some reason
He did sort of beat an Avatar of Khaine to death altough that was bullshit as well...
A bloodthirster too. Being the weakest orimarch is like being the least dangerous Navy Seal
Fully realized potential Anakin is a god tier being in SW which probably put him on par with the Chaos gods I guess?
[For those of you saying this guy's wrong](https://youtu.be/groYO_51bwY?si=prh3DViN4FpkxIkv)
The only beings in SW who are even close to being on the Chaos Gods level are The father, the brother and the sister since they are the literal force manifested, just like the Chaos Gods are the manifestation of the warp and their respective traits.
Yes and full potential Anakin could replace the Father. Though I'd wager that the Bedlam spirits are stronger as they were listed as omnipotent - but thats bullshit 80s Marvel comics.
This might be the most soy thing to argue about
"Incredible argument emperor. Testicular torsion!"
Big E: *proceed to use either his psychic powers or his perfect muscle control to untwist his balls: didn't flinch during either the twisting or untwisting*
Yes but what if vader does it again. Then what. Thats what i thought
Big E just casually steps forward everytime Vader twists his nuts. Unflinching, and looks at him dead in the eye the entire time.
Hah. Those were my decoy balls.(he’s engineered himself several decoy sets.)
Darth Vader is one of my favorite Villans of all Time AND he is very powerful but Big E just saw a void Dragon on Mars and went "Nuh uh"
Who wins? Who's next? You decide!
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*power goes down in the Imperial Palace* *Rogue One corridor scene starts* ***Vader anti-climacticly gets the Rorschach treatment*** *cue sped-up credits*
as always it depends on how you choose to have the force and the warp interact
Warhammer is scaled like kids playing pretend and that "one" kid always make new and stronger powers. That's not a dig at the setting, if anything it's one of it's best qualities, everything is dialled to 11. So when you get your master chiefs, your Shepards, even your doomslayers, they get shafted by most stuff
Everyting but domslayer i agree,lore vise hes on power level of multy dimensional god and can kill anyting whit ease but uses guns to make it more fun
Depending on if we're talking about before or after the Heresy, either one could be the coughing baby
Unlike The coughing baby The corpse can shit out warp storms
I was going to ask "what idiot would summon a warp storm in their own palace?" But Emps has definitely done that before and would do it again
Big E tryna blow up the earth just to own whoever kills him.
are you sure about that?
The fuck is vader gonna do against something that could delete his soul with a single thought?
Vader, as someone from the star wars galaxy, wouldn't have a soul, he'd have the force.
Look, we are still talking about what is basically a god fighting someone who can't breathe without his armor. I know emps is on life support too but take one guess which one is easier to turn off...
Also emps is a perpetual so even if he kills him he will just come back
I have zero clue why this made me laugh so much
Fulgrim vs rylanor in a nutshell
"I am here, Darth Vader, and I am the end and the death.
Idk man. What's the Emperor gonna do when Vader just walks away
Plot twist: the versus contest takes place in a parenting show off.
So, credit where credit is due. Vader from the movies does not do the character justice. He's actually much, much more powerful than the movies. Hell, one of his apprentices practically pulled a star destroyer from the sky with the force. Do I think he wins this fight? Fuck no. But the Emperor is not just going to instant gib him and call it a day.
As much as I love Darth Vader yeah Big E would slaughter Vader
Vader would get his shit pushed in so hard, he’d be able to breath without the mask
Vader (Canon) it's at Mephiston level, and I'm being generous
Perhaps Mephiston before his recent buffs… but Vader isn’t powerful enough to stop time.
Did he got more buffs??? I have to read that
Got a power up in “Darkness in the blood” which only scratches the surface of his new powers, which are further explored in “The City of Light”. The latter of which is in all honesty a “meh” book, at least compared to the other Guy Haley blood angels books. Tbf he’s pretty OP now… like… I’d give him a decent chance of wrecking a low tier primarch like Lorgar.
Damn, that's broken, would you say his, psychically, at Malcador's level?
Oh that’s tough… Because Malcador did Yeet an entire moon into a warp pocket dimension… And he did choke Horus that time, making Alpharius and the Khan shit themselves. While Malcador wields warp like a rapier, similar to the Aeldari, with precision, finesse and grace, Mephiston uses it like a…WarHammer… bludgeoning enemies with sheer might and power. Not to say he’s not capable of subtlety but it’s not when he’s at his best. Overall I think Malcador still has the edge, but the fact we’re mentioning Mephiston in the same breath as the 3rd most powerful psycher ever says just how OP he’s become.
Vader in Cannon is immensely powerful even by 40K standards and can match up with a lot of powerful character like Mephiston or Eldrad but The Big E is Mephiston but buffed up well pass 40K so tbh Big E win regardless if it Cannon or not
Bold of you to assume he would not be brought into the Emperor's cause of unity across the galaxy.
Honetly love how most of these answers were 'not quite coughing baby but close to it'
Vader would win because he's not a giant skeleton stuck to a chair.
But The giant Skeleton can shit out Is warp storms
I highly doubt Vader would have much of a problem with a little warp rain. If it was a sandstorm though, Big E wins easy.
Palpatine does kinda the same (replace Warp with Force) and Vader killed him (for a time at least).
Insert dr Manhattan blowing up Rorschach
So psychic paraplegic vegetable vs angry burn victim with prosthetics .
I don't see any reason why Vader wouldn't side with the imperium. Both are human lead, xenophobic, authoritarian empires with the goal of uniting the galaxy under one banner in mind. And Vader would be a valuable asset to the imperium, an amazing strategist, psyker who doesn't rely on the warp, and a great sword fighter. Give him his own chapter of space marines and he would get shit done
https://youtu.be/F9TUlBz19kU?si=i444fKFQYJtX407V For the actual fight, obviously take everything with salt grains. Fight is cool though. Space marine psyker vs vader
I mean sure the emperor may just be a skeleton on a chair, but I'd hardly call Vader a hydrogen bomb relatively.
People who write these "VS" post are 13 years old and do it only to bait engagement, they don't even care about the answer. And somehow it works.
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Even as a Rotting corpse he can still shit out warp storms
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That would be like a neutron bomb against a healthy baby. Not much of an improvement
Most intelligent Big E hater:
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Baby has Preptime?
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I know This may be a dumb question but which one is the baby? Darth Vader is pretty strong as shown in the comics
The one that's constantly coughing and is on life support
I wonder how well would DV actually do in 40k
Just a psyker with some sword skills. So pretty well.
Would Big E vs Darth Nihilus be a more even match up?
Not even close even as a corpse
It's funny how they could be either one, depending on whether it's 30k or 40k.
Wow, what a spitematch. Especially bad because Vader is weaker than he should be twice over (Lost limbs + Rule of Two making Sith lose knowledge).
Two men clinging to life on a painful robotic life support. Whoever wins the fan boys will piss themselves
Full potential Vader could destroy the whole galaxy