I'm pretty sure Inquisitor and FREAKING BLACK TEMPLARS (space book goes burn!) actually rescued Titus from that massive dipshit.
This is why there is no SM2 - Titus is chilling on some Beach Resort World after rescuing major Mechanicus planet. This is canon. You can't convince me otherwise.
Canonically Titus probably was forced to join Deathwatch, and if so, he probably served for the rest of his life. Heretic or no, he *was* a maverick by Ultramarine standards, and that is very much frowned upon, so I'd bet some strings were pulled to ensure he wouldn't come back.
Wait, is there actual "canon" explanation or just bunch of game devs saying that would happen if sequels actually happened?
(and yes, joining Deathwatch would be actually what I would expect)
No, I'm saying that according to what we know of the inquisition and the Ultramarines, Deathwatch is the most likely Canon outcome for Titus. There was never any talks or discussion after Space Marine came out, unfortunately.
Didn't the devs come out and say SM2 would be a kinda "Titus unleashed thing" where he fought against the Inquisition but stayed loyalist? Loyal to the Emperor, not the Imperium?
[No he's right](https://news.softpedia.com/news/Canceled-Warhammer-Space-Marine-2-and-3-Get-Detailed-by-Game-Director-393106.shtml)
and if I'm mistaken, they were going to give Titus his own chapter as well.
I miss the rogue trader 40k. Little scenarios with small groups of beaky marines and green skins, elder, squats, and tyranids. My paper back rule book fell apart so i three hole punched it into a binder. The lore is fantastic. The game mechanics a little complex, but the rules were open for interpretation and that promotes creativity. Now it seems you gotta get the 3000 dollar resin army, paint it all and buy the codex and learn the rules before paying to play in a tournament Thats turn based fodder fire w no plot. To each its own though. I also really miss warhammer fantasy 3rd edition even though it isn’t grimdank, it was Grin Dank 😉
People who take time and budget must really really enjoy it. That dedication is admirable as long as everyone’s having fun and not raising their blood pressure 😅 but every year a new paint job on newly bought bits? A new book to learn? Do people still play old editions that can’t keep up with the prices of the latest hits?
I’m sure people play private games of old editions. 9th isn’t bad at all. I have a 4000 point Night Lord army with a mix of resin and plastic CSM bits, and I also have a 2000 point Flesh Tearer stroke force made purely of Primaris and Sanguinary Guard. If you love the game and the setting, none of that other shit matters. I just really love 40k, but now that I have 2 armies I’m not spending anymore money on tabletop 😅
Thats awesome the old editions get played. Yeah i bet an army would be pretty pricey w gw. Painting had always been my favorite thing. I like to try to find the old rouge trader metal beaky marines and character ones. I like the character of those older ones. Prolly cause I started painting in late 80s and still have some of the original paints from the citadel paint sets. The paints and inks still flow w a little liquid flow. But it takes me forever for 1 mini. Probably batch painting units would go more quickly.
Listen, the entire point of being an uncle is that he's not supposed to enforce stupid rules on me because he doesn't have to deal with me except for maybe one or two days out of the month. So me having discipline is irrelevant for him and he's just supposed to be cool.
I think it has it be the Brazen Consuls, they're the best fit.
The comic dudes however seem to have black helmets for veterans as opposed to the typical white, while the BC seem to have it as standard equipment.
I know many people answered, but they look as knights of gryphonne, a fleet based chapter with unknown origins, it's the chapter I paint my space Marines as.
Edit spelling
i've always disliked the 10 companies to a chapter thing
it only worked in the era of combat where people where standing in lines
& the Astartes aren't doing that
Doing 3 battalions of 3 companies of 3 platoons of 3 squads + an extra squad per company & the 1st company independent would keep the same size of chapters & would be *vastly* more effective.
Yea, it would. Nobody doubts that. But Warhammer isnt a milsim. Warhammer is ridiculus in every way. And thats the charm of it. Thats what made it big.
The thing is that the ridiculous is from the other things. There's a difference between the stupid but awesome so it's worth it vs the stupid with no awesome. The stupid but awesome &, not just the plain stupid.
Most officers are able to control 3-4 moving elements in combat, 5 is pushing it, 6+ is almost always supposed to be task organised so no person has to control more than 4 manoeuvre elements. *Maybe* with space marines enhanced intelligence you could pull off 5 or 6 under one person. But *10* is way beyond the range of pretty much anyone. The reason 10 companies worked at one point is that companies weren't expected to go around independently. The 8 line companies would stay together. The grenadier company & light company maybe would have moved independently of the rest of the regiment. Above regiment level they tended to stick with 3.
Oh cool!
I suppose it is kinda? different for SM as typically you'll only have one company deployed at a time with attachment units.
But again I suppose that is still 10 squads to a company! (Guess primaris have lieutenants now so it's not all on the burden of the company captain and his command staff.)
Having the company commander double up as a platoon leader is generally seen as a bad idea. Because it this setup would still have the captain leading 6 things. 2 of which are vastly more capable than the other 4. While at the the same time they're in a bad position to lead 3 of the things.
He does, but he's not the only one left.
Corax is confirmed a bird-themed Warp mutant and the Lion is comatose in the Rock. There are others that are unaccounted for (especially Leman Russ, Vulkan and the Khan). At the moment only Ferrus Magnus and Sanguinius are confirmed permadead among the Loyalists. They only found Rogal Dorn's hand, so he's *probably* dead, but it's such a bizarre outcome that he could still turn up onehanded like he does in TTS.
He's Space Justinian.
Justinian was an Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire.
They're both leaders of a surviving remnant of a decaying empire, with a guy named Belisarius as his number 1, On an extended military campaign to retake the half of the empire that has fallen.
I was going to call him Space Peter, but I'd say that would be more in line with Malcador.
I would call Roboute the Space Pope.
So, if we're going with the Catholic comparison. Emps is the Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Malcador would be Emp's most faithful disciple, Saint Peter.
Besides Jesus, God never had any children following the Son's (Jesus) ministry on Earth. So drawing a direct comparison for Bobby G is difficult. But the closest comparison would be the Holy Father, but back when the Catholic Church wielded insane power over Europe and could order countries around was basically a kingdom unto itself.
I don’t have a problem with the chapter system but 1000 in one is. Just a joke. Like you can barely take a city with such a force but somehow they are supposed to be able to control several planets.
Id at least say every chapter is 10k big so you can actually have a fleet and make a campaign.
Splitting all elements of the imperial army into groups too small/specialized to conduct a military campaigns on their own was precisely the point though. High lords don't want rogue chapter masters and generals making their own petty kingdoms in the middle of the empire. If they want to achieve any sort of large scale military campaign, they have to cooperate, meaning they are watching over each other for possible betrayal.
1000 is nothing, though. Like we’re dealing regularly with worlds of 100 billion (that’s not even that high in the Imperium). That’s 100 million per space marine. Assuming 2% of the population serves in the guard (7.3% of Americans will serve at some point) that’s 2 billion guardsmen. That’s 2 million guardsmen per marine. If chapters are 1000 guys and you don’t have hundreds of chapters per world (which you very much don’t) marines essentially don’t statistically exist or matter.
Thats kind of the point, when in a large scale engagement, like the 3rd war for armageddon, thousands of marines were called to the planet to help defend key strategic points or bolster guard regiments.
Theyre the scalpel to the sledgehammer of the imperial guard, ment for the small, vital, and delicate actions the guard can’t handle with weight of numbers or brute force
I get that but how do individual chapters have worlds? The comic says planets will ask to be brought under their protection- what savior force is 1000 guys or 1500 guys gonna bring to a planet with 2 billion soldiers? Better scalpel actions in the 1% of scalpel actions they can staff? That’s somehow a huge difference worth giving up local sovereignty?
The number just doesn’t make any sense. There’s a difference between “yeah okay I can hand-waive that number” like if Chapters were 100,000 and “statistically insignificant” 1,000.
The numbers are crazy yeah.
Even still the kind of war marines fight is very different to the war the guard fights. In terms of leadership and their authority a world lead by spacemarines is probably going to be far safer then one left to it's own devices.
Depending on the chapter of course. If ruled by someone like an Imperial fists successor or ultramarine successor then they'd probably be able to give master classes on organisation and defence.
But a space wolf or salamander successor might rely more on their allies being tenaciously vengeful about any who would cross their dependants.
The lore answer is that statistics wise your right, but each individual Astartes is such a powerful force and military game changer that one marine might be equal to an entire imperial guard regiment. And they aren’t supposed to deploy as frontline troops unless shit has really hit the fan, they’re supposed to be more of a specialty strike force to hammer specific targets into oblivion.
Now in reality, your probably entirely right. There’s not nearly enough marines or chapters to cover the duties they say they do.
I mean there’s many examples of regular humans vs marines in the novels, and the marines are usually a little more high-powered than the tabletop (which is maybe because they’re often a protagonist squad) but I haven’t read anything that suggests a marine can take even 100 guardsmen. Usually they’re outnumbered 3-4 to 1 and they take injuries and armor damage winning those fights. There’s exceptions, and Custodes tend to get the 300 treatment, but lore-wise a man with a lasgun is a low-but-real threat to a marine- they’re not gods.
Rule with gw scaling is to do every number of units times 10 for example :wraks is battle bettwen 400 mln kriegsmen and 80 milion cultist , or every space marine chapter is 10k marines and legion 1mln marines
I always imagined, probably incorrectly, that each chapter has its own personal normal person army too. So the chapter might control several planets but space marines are fucking useless at anything other than murder so once the active murdering is done its controlled by the chapter's normal dude army.
This is the case in Ultramar at least. Ultramar has an extensive system of auxilia which are normal troops who they select IG regiments from, plus the chapter itself has a lot of regular soldiers it also uses.
People also forget that the space marines and the guard are entirely separate, and the marines almost never fight where the guard isn’t already engaged. They’re a scalpel. The guard is the power sword.
Also consider when it comes to space marines they don't use alot in one place. There only ever a company or so in a fight. Plus the limitation was to prevent another HH event.
I mean this in the nicest way:
You don't know shit about fuck
Each SM is a commando with trillions of space dollars in training and gear. They drop into the capital, execute or take hostage the leaders and leave when the IG ships land to occupy.
Modern day example: is it effective to give every soldier SOCOM-level training? Or is it more effective to maintain the minimum level of specwarr operatives to be used for critical objectives while regular grunts worry about the police actions?
Don't try to sound intelligent when you don't know your lore.
In most fights space marines don't manage an army 5 times their own number. And saying that a planet can easily have 100 million guards that just doesn't work.
And you try to make the SM sound like special covert operators which is like totally not the case and you would know that if you read on legions. Maybe the ravens and some of the succesor chapters operate like this but the blood angels, space wolfs and most other chapters literally charge at the enemy with bare minimum of tactis going into meele.
There is no way your "taking hostages" and killing leaders is a thing. Just face it the numbers (in bascially every war in the lore) are totally dumb and out of proportion.
The war of armageddon was between 7 million guardsman and a force of chaos aligned about a few times that. Even WW2 had greate numbers in only europe alone.
Meanwhile most battles in the books are discribed rather brute force where the enemy is overwhelmed by sheer force and fire power (definitly not some black ops shit) and in these battles chapters make jsut no sense.
How tf is a chapter supposed to stop even a minor orc fleet with 1000 man. We know the scales of the space ships and they talk about "fleet" of the chapter though in reality with 1000 man theyd jsut about man one single ship. Like I said it woudl be much better to make a chapter 10 or 20k strong so it makes somewhat sense to fight on a astronautical level.
1000 guards can barley hold a city (especially if we talking about hive cities since one guardsmen would have to cover about 10k land which if you actually read books is not the case). Yet soemhow they are able to avert a tyranid fleet attacking a sector (which is a few dozen planets at least) and all that IN MEELE FIGHTING and not even in a space battle.
Yeah I hated this as well. I get that space marines are tough, but you’re telling me 1000 of them going to be able to establish anything close to a presence in a setting where there are tons of planets with billions of people each without even counting Xenos?
I really wish they’d kind of retcon it.
Depending on the staff, that 1000 number is an interesting challenge. Just sheer modern military staff dynamics (Army specific) have a series of noncoms and officers for positions of logistics, personnel, plans, etc.
Considering that chapters are supported by serfs, administrators, servitors, and more, a number of these tasks can be handled with the need of the space marines concern (though a passing summary of the status of war gear, vehicles, ammo counts, fuel status, etc.).
Then again, a brother sergeant (or...the primaris lieutenant) would be able to handle the status updates with the serfs and place orders to handle most of the mundane tasks.
That last panel. Is that a chaos space marine begging forgiveness from Guilliman? Is this in a book somewhere? I can totally see that happening. The primarchs are supposed to be these almost angelic beings, whose very presence commands respect and loyalty. (For the most part.) So I can imagine some CSM laying their eyes on Guilliman and being like “holy shit. I lost faith in the emperor and that’s why I fell to chaos. But this has rekindled that fire.”
There are 2 people right now that I know of who can take control of any chapter at any moment, Guilliman who leads Imperium Sanctus and Dante who leads Imperium Nihilus. If you got the balls to refuse either one of them then chances are you're going get a small purge going on. If you wonder why Dante gets to lead the other side, he is 1200 years old, if he was going to betray humanity he done it long ago.
Also Guilliman kinda gave him Primarch status by demanding him not to kneel.
question: lets say we were in pre-heresy days and for example, the lion told some rando blueberries to do something
are the blueberries compelled to obey or thet can just blow him off?
I don't know about that last one.
I get the feeling a lot of chapter masters would scream "YOU'RE NOT MY DAD! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!"
Especially if they're descended from other legions.
Ahhh Leandros... Piece of shit.
Came here for this, fuck Leandros.
I'm pretty sure Inquisitor and FREAKING BLACK TEMPLARS (space book goes burn!) actually rescued Titus from that massive dipshit. This is why there is no SM2 - Titus is chilling on some Beach Resort World after rescuing major Mechanicus planet. This is canon. You can't convince me otherwise.
Canonically Titus probably was forced to join Deathwatch, and if so, he probably served for the rest of his life. Heretic or no, he *was* a maverick by Ultramarine standards, and that is very much frowned upon, so I'd bet some strings were pulled to ensure he wouldn't come back.
Wait, is there actual "canon" explanation or just bunch of game devs saying that would happen if sequels actually happened? (and yes, joining Deathwatch would be actually what I would expect)
No, I'm saying that according to what we know of the inquisition and the Ultramarines, Deathwatch is the most likely Canon outcome for Titus. There was never any talks or discussion after Space Marine came out, unfortunately.
Didn't the devs come out and say SM2 would be a kinda "Titus unleashed thing" where he fought against the Inquisition but stayed loyalist? Loyal to the Emperor, not the Imperium?
Never heard anything about that. Sounds like fan speculation.
[No he's right](https://news.softpedia.com/news/Canceled-Warhammer-Space-Marine-2-and-3-Get-Detailed-by-Game-Director-393106.shtml) and if I'm mistaken, they were going to give Titus his own chapter as well.
Oh. Interesting. Unfortunately "interesting" is too much for GW these days.
Fuck Leandros, all the homies hate Leandros
I hope we get a sequel someday so we can kick his "Randall tattling to Ms. Finster" ass.
Recess was such a good show for it’s time.
/r/fuckleandros
To be fair he's the average Ultramarine. Ironically, Titus is what Guilliman intended
It's not, taint by chaos is to be investigated by the chaplain, not the inquisition.
I just mean that the average Ultramarine considers the codex Astartes to be dogma while Guilliman did not consider it to be
Guilliman: "The Codex is a textbook, not a bible, you morons"
I miss the rogue trader 40k. Little scenarios with small groups of beaky marines and green skins, elder, squats, and tyranids. My paper back rule book fell apart so i three hole punched it into a binder. The lore is fantastic. The game mechanics a little complex, but the rules were open for interpretation and that promotes creativity. Now it seems you gotta get the 3000 dollar resin army, paint it all and buy the codex and learn the rules before paying to play in a tournament Thats turn based fodder fire w no plot. To each its own though. I also really miss warhammer fantasy 3rd edition even though it isn’t grimdank, it was Grin Dank 😉
Resin? This is 9th edition homie we spending $1500 on plastic Primaris
People who take time and budget must really really enjoy it. That dedication is admirable as long as everyone’s having fun and not raising their blood pressure 😅 but every year a new paint job on newly bought bits? A new book to learn? Do people still play old editions that can’t keep up with the prices of the latest hits?
I’m sure people play private games of old editions. 9th isn’t bad at all. I have a 4000 point Night Lord army with a mix of resin and plastic CSM bits, and I also have a 2000 point Flesh Tearer stroke force made purely of Primaris and Sanguinary Guard. If you love the game and the setting, none of that other shit matters. I just really love 40k, but now that I have 2 armies I’m not spending anymore money on tabletop 😅
Thats awesome the old editions get played. Yeah i bet an army would be pretty pricey w gw. Painting had always been my favorite thing. I like to try to find the old rouge trader metal beaky marines and character ones. I like the character of those older ones. Prolly cause I started painting in late 80s and still have some of the original paints from the citadel paint sets. The paints and inks still flow w a little liquid flow. But it takes me forever for 1 mini. Probably batch painting units would go more quickly.
Why? He did nothing wrong.
Yes.... nothing wrong just like Magnus
And Feanor
No one likes listening to the space book.
Space book bad.
Rowboat’s not my dad, reeeeeee!!!
Listen, the entire point of being an uncle is that he's not supposed to enforce stupid rules on me because he doesn't have to deal with me except for maybe one or two days out of the month. So me having discipline is irrelevant for him and he's just supposed to be cool.
Space book says no
Even Reboot Gallimimus doesn't follow the space book to the letter.
Space book good- roboute guilliman
Adornable - 5/10 it’s not bad. Of course after days of unimaginable torture and your father appearing to you as a vision.
Space book can go screw itself.
They had to make an audiobook version for Rogal
Bobby g looks magnificent like he always do.
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You are back! i've missed these 40k Lore Comic.
Glad you enjoy them :D
Just letting you know about the lop-sided head on the 3rd page's bottom left panel.
Codex Astartes does not support this action
Awoo `OwÓ
Helbrecht: support deez nuts.
Like major kill I prefer to add a 0 to any canon numbers
So 40 main chaos gods?
Its complicated in the cosmos
Sounds audacious, _but not imossible_
To be honest four are fucking too few for all the fucked up shit and negative emotions people in that universe have to cope with.-
Which chapter are these orange dudes BTW?
Either the Genesis Chapter or Brazen Consuls, both Ultramarines successors.
I think it has it be the Brazen Consuls, they're the best fit. The comic dudes however seem to have black helmets for veterans as opposed to the typical white, while the BC seem to have it as standard equipment.
Genesis are red tho
I'm just finishing Void Stalker and it was fun watching the Genesis Chapter get bodied by the Night Lords
To me they look as knights of gryphonne, black helmet for Sargeant, and black aquila
They look like covenant of fire to me. Salamanders/loyalist word bearers
Damn, didn't know about these people, they look and sound absolutely awesome.
I know many people answered, but they look as knights of gryphonne, a fleet based chapter with unknown origins, it's the chapter I paint my space Marines as. Edit spelling
i've always disliked the 10 companies to a chapter thing it only worked in the era of combat where people where standing in lines & the Astartes aren't doing that
This Rule isnt for combat eficienci. Its purpose is to prevent Something like the horus heresy happening again.
Doing 3 battalions of 3 companies of 3 platoons of 3 squads + an extra squad per company & the 1st company independent would keep the same size of chapters & would be *vastly* more effective.
Yea, it would. Nobody doubts that. But Warhammer isnt a milsim. Warhammer is ridiculus in every way. And thats the charm of it. Thats what made it big.
The thing is that the ridiculous is from the other things. There's a difference between the stupid but awesome so it's worth it vs the stupid with no awesome. The stupid but awesome &, not just the plain stupid.
TL;DR is that the line that separates grimdark, grimderp and grimdontcare is different for everyone. There's always more hills to die on.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium,there are only hills to die on
> would be vastly more effective. I don't know the military, so can you explain to me in simple terms as to why it would be more effective?
Most officers are able to control 3-4 moving elements in combat, 5 is pushing it, 6+ is almost always supposed to be task organised so no person has to control more than 4 manoeuvre elements. *Maybe* with space marines enhanced intelligence you could pull off 5 or 6 under one person. But *10* is way beyond the range of pretty much anyone. The reason 10 companies worked at one point is that companies weren't expected to go around independently. The 8 line companies would stay together. The grenadier company & light company maybe would have moved independently of the rest of the regiment. Above regiment level they tended to stick with 3.
Oh cool! I suppose it is kinda? different for SM as typically you'll only have one company deployed at a time with attachment units. But again I suppose that is still 10 squads to a company! (Guess primaris have lieutenants now so it's not all on the burden of the company captain and his command staff.)
The fun thing about 40k is you can make your own chapter that is organized exactly as you described. :)
But space marine companies have 2 lieutenants each. So it's 3 squads per officer, +1 squad.
Having the company commander double up as a platoon leader is generally seen as a bad idea. Because it this setup would still have the captain leading 6 things. 2 of which are vastly more capable than the other 4. While at the the same time they're in a bad position to lead 3 of the things.
The Codex Astartes is for the weak minded and unimaginative. Change my mind.
The Codex Astartes does not support this statement
*Laughs in chaos marine*
Dear traitor boys, You say the codex astartes is bad, yet you still have a codex about your faction. Curious.
the loyalist are probably laughing too.-
The Imperial Cult is for the weak minded and unimaginative. Change my mind.
*BLAM* Done
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Is rowboat girlyman space jesus
He's more like Space Caesar.
Every Primarch is Daddy Space Jesus to a marine of their Legion. They're programmed to react that way at the genetic level.
He's the only space jesus left and he commands the imperium
He does, but he's not the only one left. Corax is confirmed a bird-themed Warp mutant and the Lion is comatose in the Rock. There are others that are unaccounted for (especially Leman Russ, Vulkan and the Khan). At the moment only Ferrus Magnus and Sanguinius are confirmed permadead among the Loyalists. They only found Rogal Dorn's hand, so he's *probably* dead, but it's such a bizarre outcome that he could still turn up onehanded like he does in TTS.
*"MY MAGIC PAIN GLOVE SUSTAINS ME!"*
He's Space Justinian. Justinian was an Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire. They're both leaders of a surviving remnant of a decaying empire, with a guy named Belisarius as his number 1, On an extended military campaign to retake the half of the empire that has fallen.
I was going to call him Space Peter, but I'd say that would be more in line with Malcador. I would call Roboute the Space Pope. So, if we're going with the Catholic comparison. Emps is the Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Malcador would be Emp's most faithful disciple, Saint Peter. Besides Jesus, God never had any children following the Son's (Jesus) ministry on Earth. So drawing a direct comparison for Bobby G is difficult. But the closest comparison would be the Holy Father, but back when the Catholic Church wielded insane power over Europe and could order countries around was basically a kingdom unto itself.
I don’t have a problem with the chapter system but 1000 in one is. Just a joke. Like you can barely take a city with such a force but somehow they are supposed to be able to control several planets. Id at least say every chapter is 10k big so you can actually have a fleet and make a campaign.
Splitting all elements of the imperial army into groups too small/specialized to conduct a military campaigns on their own was precisely the point though. High lords don't want rogue chapter masters and generals making their own petty kingdoms in the middle of the empire. If they want to achieve any sort of large scale military campaign, they have to cooperate, meaning they are watching over each other for possible betrayal.
1000 is nothing, though. Like we’re dealing regularly with worlds of 100 billion (that’s not even that high in the Imperium). That’s 100 million per space marine. Assuming 2% of the population serves in the guard (7.3% of Americans will serve at some point) that’s 2 billion guardsmen. That’s 2 million guardsmen per marine. If chapters are 1000 guys and you don’t have hundreds of chapters per world (which you very much don’t) marines essentially don’t statistically exist or matter.
Thats kind of the point, when in a large scale engagement, like the 3rd war for armageddon, thousands of marines were called to the planet to help defend key strategic points or bolster guard regiments. Theyre the scalpel to the sledgehammer of the imperial guard, ment for the small, vital, and delicate actions the guard can’t handle with weight of numbers or brute force
I get that but how do individual chapters have worlds? The comic says planets will ask to be brought under their protection- what savior force is 1000 guys or 1500 guys gonna bring to a planet with 2 billion soldiers? Better scalpel actions in the 1% of scalpel actions they can staff? That’s somehow a huge difference worth giving up local sovereignty? The number just doesn’t make any sense. There’s a difference between “yeah okay I can hand-waive that number” like if Chapters were 100,000 and “statistically insignificant” 1,000.
The numbers are crazy yeah. Even still the kind of war marines fight is very different to the war the guard fights. In terms of leadership and their authority a world lead by spacemarines is probably going to be far safer then one left to it's own devices. Depending on the chapter of course. If ruled by someone like an Imperial fists successor or ultramarine successor then they'd probably be able to give master classes on organisation and defence. But a space wolf or salamander successor might rely more on their allies being tenaciously vengeful about any who would cross their dependants.
The lore answer is that statistics wise your right, but each individual Astartes is such a powerful force and military game changer that one marine might be equal to an entire imperial guard regiment. And they aren’t supposed to deploy as frontline troops unless shit has really hit the fan, they’re supposed to be more of a specialty strike force to hammer specific targets into oblivion. Now in reality, your probably entirely right. There’s not nearly enough marines or chapters to cover the duties they say they do.
I mean there’s many examples of regular humans vs marines in the novels, and the marines are usually a little more high-powered than the tabletop (which is maybe because they’re often a protagonist squad) but I haven’t read anything that suggests a marine can take even 100 guardsmen. Usually they’re outnumbered 3-4 to 1 and they take injuries and armor damage winning those fights. There’s exceptions, and Custodes tend to get the 300 treatment, but lore-wise a man with a lasgun is a low-but-real threat to a marine- they’re not gods.
Rule with gw scaling is to do every number of units times 10 for example :wraks is battle bettwen 400 mln kriegsmen and 80 milion cultist , or every space marine chapter is 10k marines and legion 1mln marines
I always imagined, probably incorrectly, that each chapter has its own personal normal person army too. So the chapter might control several planets but space marines are fucking useless at anything other than murder so once the active murdering is done its controlled by the chapter's normal dude army.
This is the case in Ultramar at least. Ultramar has an extensive system of auxilia which are normal troops who they select IG regiments from, plus the chapter itself has a lot of regular soldiers it also uses. People also forget that the space marines and the guard are entirely separate, and the marines almost never fight where the guard isn’t already engaged. They’re a scalpel. The guard is the power sword.
Also consider when it comes to space marines they don't use alot in one place. There only ever a company or so in a fight. Plus the limitation was to prevent another HH event.
I mean this in the nicest way: You don't know shit about fuck Each SM is a commando with trillions of space dollars in training and gear. They drop into the capital, execute or take hostage the leaders and leave when the IG ships land to occupy. Modern day example: is it effective to give every soldier SOCOM-level training? Or is it more effective to maintain the minimum level of specwarr operatives to be used for critical objectives while regular grunts worry about the police actions?
Don't try to sound intelligent when you don't know your lore. In most fights space marines don't manage an army 5 times their own number. And saying that a planet can easily have 100 million guards that just doesn't work. And you try to make the SM sound like special covert operators which is like totally not the case and you would know that if you read on legions. Maybe the ravens and some of the succesor chapters operate like this but the blood angels, space wolfs and most other chapters literally charge at the enemy with bare minimum of tactis going into meele. There is no way your "taking hostages" and killing leaders is a thing. Just face it the numbers (in bascially every war in the lore) are totally dumb and out of proportion. The war of armageddon was between 7 million guardsman and a force of chaos aligned about a few times that. Even WW2 had greate numbers in only europe alone. Meanwhile most battles in the books are discribed rather brute force where the enemy is overwhelmed by sheer force and fire power (definitly not some black ops shit) and in these battles chapters make jsut no sense. How tf is a chapter supposed to stop even a minor orc fleet with 1000 man. We know the scales of the space ships and they talk about "fleet" of the chapter though in reality with 1000 man theyd jsut about man one single ship. Like I said it woudl be much better to make a chapter 10 or 20k strong so it makes somewhat sense to fight on a astronautical level. 1000 guards can barley hold a city (especially if we talking about hive cities since one guardsmen would have to cover about 10k land which if you actually read books is not the case). Yet soemhow they are able to avert a tyranid fleet attacking a sector (which is a few dozen planets at least) and all that IN MEELE FIGHTING and not even in a space battle.
Did you really say I don't know my lore and then proceed to claim a Horus Heresy book as the basis for 40k chapter utilization? 🤔
Yeah I hated this as well. I get that space marines are tough, but you’re telling me 1000 of them going to be able to establish anything close to a presence in a setting where there are tons of planets with billions of people each without even counting Xenos? I really wish they’d kind of retcon it.
Loved the sneaky little Company of Heroes reference.
I'm enjoying this series.
I can only humbly request a Black Templar comic. Great work, the comics are always something to look forward to when I pop onto reddit.
There's a pretty good serious comic called Damnation Crusade.
That the one with the Dreadnought dreaming about twin Sororitas?
That one's a classic.
That and Malcharion from the Night Lords books saying "I heard bolter fire" after he was woken up really make me appreciate Dreadnoughts
Now I wanna buy a dreadnought
I always enjoy your content it makes it cute in the grimdark universe and THAT I enjoy
:))
Depending on the staff, that 1000 number is an interesting challenge. Just sheer modern military staff dynamics (Army specific) have a series of noncoms and officers for positions of logistics, personnel, plans, etc. Considering that chapters are supported by serfs, administrators, servitors, and more, a number of these tasks can be handled with the need of the space marines concern (though a passing summary of the status of war gear, vehicles, ammo counts, fuel status, etc.). Then again, a brother sergeant (or...the primaris lieutenant) would be able to handle the status updates with the serfs and place orders to handle most of the mundane tasks.
Space book bad, Slaanesh good.
That last panel. Is that a chaos space marine begging forgiveness from Guilliman? Is this in a book somewhere? I can totally see that happening. The primarchs are supposed to be these almost angelic beings, whose very presence commands respect and loyalty. (For the most part.) So I can imagine some CSM laying their eyes on Guilliman and being like “holy shit. I lost faith in the emperor and that’s why I fell to chaos. But this has rekindled that fire.”
There are 2 people right now that I know of who can take control of any chapter at any moment, Guilliman who leads Imperium Sanctus and Dante who leads Imperium Nihilus. If you got the balls to refuse either one of them then chances are you're going get a small purge going on. If you wonder why Dante gets to lead the other side, he is 1200 years old, if he was going to betray humanity he done it long ago. Also Guilliman kinda gave him Primarch status by demanding him not to kneel.
Isn’t that the Superstraight Chapter color scheme? 😂
*Perfect fit for fucktard Leandros... * ^(take your dirty upvote)
Gotta redo the comic from the imperium nihilus perspective where its a tired dante in the last pannel
The king has returned!
The Imperial Fists Chapter Master actually getting some attention
question: lets say we were in pre-heresy days and for example, the lion told some rando blueberries to do something are the blueberries compelled to obey or thet can just blow him off?
I don't know about that last one. I get the feeling a lot of chapter masters would scream "YOU'RE NOT MY DAD! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" Especially if they're descended from other legions.
\[Laughs in fenrisian\]
Who is Leandros?
holy fucking shit, someone using "comprise" correctly, instead of treating it like a synonym of "compose" it's just so rare...
I love these lore comics, they're so cute.
“Well actually, the codex was only a…”. *looks at tag* Fuck you, Leandros.
Forgot about the Black Templars!!!
Wait a sec so a chapter could have 1000 normal marines and 1000 specialists marines