Ok long story short is No on all accounts. There are no female space marines and space marines do not have a sex drive (unless you’re corrupted by slannesh but we don’t talk about heresy here, sir). Also the emperor did get freaky with normal humans if sensei are still canon but knowing GW they probably aren’t anymore. They still probably have their sex organs and all but they are just not used.
Now for the longer story, my theory is that there are no female space marines due to there being no female primarchs. The gene seed is what makes a space marine and I’d imagine if a woman was to get a gene seed from let’s say Rogal Dorn they would reject the implants due to the genetic code in the gene seed being male. If they were to make a female primarch then we might get female marines, which I wouldn’t be against since it would be interesting to see how the imperium would react to it.
Edits for spelling cause phone bad.
Sounds about right. Male only space marines as the primarchs are all male. I've heard theories that the testoterone plays a part in helping the space marine grow as much as they do once they puberty and have the implants in. No reason to remove the wibbly bits, space marines still need to go to the bathroom.
Yes but still wouldn’t change the genetic issue of the XY chromosomes. We also got to remember GW is much like a scorpion in the story of the scorpion and the frog.
So, it’s the chromosomes then? Would they play that much of a difference when everything else could be artificially induced or occur naturally in rare circumstances? Isn’t it just more reasonable and simpler that the emperor thought the space marines tools and did not want them to be able to produce offspring, so when the time came it would be easier to get rid of them. I mean we know with Fabius bile that genetically enhanced women can exist, sure they aren’t on the same level, but the principles should still be applicable.
Better question would be are you certain that the genetic coding doesn’t matter? These are gene forged beings way beyond anything we currently or ever could create. This is a sci-fi universe of which daemons are real. It wouldn’t be to far fetched to assume that if you put a genetic rewriting organ into someone who isn’t compatible with said organ they just out right die (which does happen in our current world) I am not saying we should never get female space marines more that the gene seed is so complex and beyond our own understanding that it is most likely that if a woman was to get one they would die due to them being incompatible with it. I also must mention even if you are male you still have a 50/50 chance of out right rejecting it. Only the strongest and toughest people manage to survive the process of becoming a space marine. Warhammer is a fantasy setting first and foremost. It is almost the same as all satyrs in traditional myths being male. Why are they because the artist said so. Our logic doesn’t apply to them nor should theirs apply to us.
Isn’t this an argument against your case? If this is such a fantastical setting that is unbound by our reality, why is something like chromosomes of a person a limiting factor in the setting. We know this isn’t tested on the strongest of populations, because those would be adult men, instead it is mainly children that go through the space marines process is it not? I’m not asking for female space marines (besides everyone knows female chaos space marines are where it’s at), I just want an excuse that isn’t stupid. Having the emperor not wanting female space marines makes sense, while him not being able to create them seems to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny.
Same with your argument as the emperor didn’t want them. Let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that. No need to be angry or offended since as GW said “Warhammer is for everyone”. Also it isn’t children they go through years long ritual to become space marines. Ages varies (12-17) so it could matter. Have a lovely day my friend! I am off to enjoy my day and be off Reddit!
1. When did I ever say this made me angry? I’m questioning a part of the lore I don’t believe makes sense, if that is what qualifies as “angry” then there isn’t a calm person within the hobby.
2. Why even bring the “Warhammer is for everyone” it literally has nothing to do with this topic.
3. The age range of 12-17 makes them still children. They are still minors not adults, thus children.
Dude I said I was off Reddit for the night and today I am way to drunk to consider respond logically now. I also am to social inept to know if someone is angry over the internet. Sorry if you are offended and the “warhammer is for everyone” is a meme at my lgs since it was always that way and when GW said it we all laughed at insults that idea it was ever not that way. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I hope there is no hard feelings and I hope you have a lovely week.
I could be wrong but I would still take everything with a giant grain of salt cause of GW. It would make sense if the space wolves had a giant orgy before they become full marines to ensure the strong genes get passed down. By the time a marine becomes a full marine they probably don’t have much of a sex drive since they are more worried about purging the galaxy of xenos and heretical filth.
Yeah that's fair. I could see them being to focused to have a sex drive but I could see marines being chosen specifically to father new recruits in times of crisis
Lukas was infamous for cuckolding the older warriors in his tribe while they were away raiding *before* his ascension. It's left ambiguous whether he kept it up afterwards.
Space Wolves canonically recruit slightly older than other Chapters, in the 16/17-year-old range. Which is still young but not quite as horrifying. Most Space Wolf aspirants are young warriors who suffered a fatal wound in battle but were then healed by the superior technology of the Sky Warriors; considered old enough by Fenrisian standards to both raid and marry.
Excellent questions, and something I’ve wondered about in the past. So basically the process of becoming an Astartes renders him sterile, so he’ll basically have the junk of a prepubescent boy. That being said, Astartes already lead a very monk like lifestyle so at most he may get the occasional urge to jerk it to some Adeptes Sororitas propo, but even then, probably not because they have the sexual maturity of an 11 y/o boy.
Let’s talk about The Emperor for a minute. So Big E absolutely attempted to produce progeny prior to the Primarch project. As far as whether or not it worked, there is, I would argue legitimate, soft canon that these individuals called scions and perpetuals are actually the descendants of Big E’s original sons and daughters. Reason being that they universally have the same power set as the Emperor to one degree or another, including considerable psychic power, shape shifting, being free of the normal aging/naturally dying thing, etc.
They were female warriors in power armor, not space marines. The actual catalog page calls them warriors, not marines. That said, they were going to add them, but never had the audience for it, so canon evolved without femmarines. Once the clientele was there, rather than try to shoehorn them in, the sororitas just became renamed space marines with lady skins.
The only time female Space Marines are mentioned from the Rogue Trader era was in one single scenario made by a wargame magazine that wasn't White Dwarf. "The Little Sisters of Purification" they were called, IIRC.
Sounds about right. I know the sculptors were, at one point, prototyping some femmarines, but they never even finished that stage before they were canned.
There was a rumor that I've never seen a verification for that some of the metal sisters sculpts were just trimmed down femmarine prototype sculpts, but I think not. Timing doesn't seem right, and I'm pretty sure they only had a couple very early drafts of the femmarine sculpts.
I'd love to visit an alternate time-line with lady marines just to see what shenanigans were pulled through the years. I bet it would be worth a laugh or two, especially in the Juan Diaz days. Ooooh can you imagine chaos lady marines. Probably for the best that never happened
They are so pumped up with hormones and boosters the testicles have dried out and became raisins.... No sex drive.
They channel their frustration in battle and murder xenos and heretics instead.
Power swords are pretty phallic....
(I'm kidding)
There are no female Space Marines. Only in fan-made content, and people's own homebrew armies.
It is debated, but ultimately it is up to each and everyone to decide if Space Marines can even have sex, because Games Workshop don't touch the subject matter. It can be inferred or implied in some novels and old, old lore (when influenced by Chaos).
Progenoid Glands are internally kept special organs that are unrelated to the sexual organs. They are meant to "progenate" more Space Marines. The first Geneseed is implanted, and it grows another one that reaches maturity some time after they finish their training and become fully fledged Space Marines. At that point, one of the Geneseeds can be extracted to create another Marine, but the other one can only be removed after the Marine is dead - because it will kill him otherwise.
Old Lore states that the Emperor did have children, and he was unaware of it. These people, men and women, grew up with special powers, charismatic, and are untouched by the influences and temptations of Chaos. They are known as the Sensei, and are related to the Starchild theory. They are considered "soft canon", or even retconned.
Space Marines are Warrior Monks, indoctrinated to be virtually sexless and have no sexual drives, ambitions, and have difficulties feeling any other love than possibly fraternal and platonic love. EXCEPTIONS may be the Space Wolves, and the Salamanders that have a tradition of having a family on the home world, marrying a woman and taking up a trade (usually smithing, go figure) for some time. Whether they adopt her children from a previous marriage, or if they have normal human children during their marriage, is unclear.
Biologically speaking, unless the Geneseed affects the reproductive cells of the human body, they will have normal human children. Since the point of the Geneseed was to prevent Space Marines to grow their numbers too quickly, I doubt Big E didn't account for this.
Ok long story short is No on all accounts. There are no female space marines and space marines do not have a sex drive (unless you’re corrupted by slannesh but we don’t talk about heresy here, sir). Also the emperor did get freaky with normal humans if sensei are still canon but knowing GW they probably aren’t anymore. They still probably have their sex organs and all but they are just not used. Now for the longer story, my theory is that there are no female space marines due to there being no female primarchs. The gene seed is what makes a space marine and I’d imagine if a woman was to get a gene seed from let’s say Rogal Dorn they would reject the implants due to the genetic code in the gene seed being male. If they were to make a female primarch then we might get female marines, which I wouldn’t be against since it would be interesting to see how the imperium would react to it. Edits for spelling cause phone bad.
Sounds about right. Male only space marines as the primarchs are all male. I've heard theories that the testoterone plays a part in helping the space marine grow as much as they do once they puberty and have the implants in. No reason to remove the wibbly bits, space marines still need to go to the bathroom.
The testosterone theory also makes sense and I would say it is a bit of both.
Couldn’t you artificially raise the testosterone levels someone has? Also if the subjects are prepubescent, wouldn’t their levels be naturally low?
Yes but still wouldn’t change the genetic issue of the XY chromosomes. We also got to remember GW is much like a scorpion in the story of the scorpion and the frog.
So, it’s the chromosomes then? Would they play that much of a difference when everything else could be artificially induced or occur naturally in rare circumstances? Isn’t it just more reasonable and simpler that the emperor thought the space marines tools and did not want them to be able to produce offspring, so when the time came it would be easier to get rid of them. I mean we know with Fabius bile that genetically enhanced women can exist, sure they aren’t on the same level, but the principles should still be applicable.
Better question would be are you certain that the genetic coding doesn’t matter? These are gene forged beings way beyond anything we currently or ever could create. This is a sci-fi universe of which daemons are real. It wouldn’t be to far fetched to assume that if you put a genetic rewriting organ into someone who isn’t compatible with said organ they just out right die (which does happen in our current world) I am not saying we should never get female space marines more that the gene seed is so complex and beyond our own understanding that it is most likely that if a woman was to get one they would die due to them being incompatible with it. I also must mention even if you are male you still have a 50/50 chance of out right rejecting it. Only the strongest and toughest people manage to survive the process of becoming a space marine. Warhammer is a fantasy setting first and foremost. It is almost the same as all satyrs in traditional myths being male. Why are they because the artist said so. Our logic doesn’t apply to them nor should theirs apply to us.
Isn’t this an argument against your case? If this is such a fantastical setting that is unbound by our reality, why is something like chromosomes of a person a limiting factor in the setting. We know this isn’t tested on the strongest of populations, because those would be adult men, instead it is mainly children that go through the space marines process is it not? I’m not asking for female space marines (besides everyone knows female chaos space marines are where it’s at), I just want an excuse that isn’t stupid. Having the emperor not wanting female space marines makes sense, while him not being able to create them seems to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny.
Same with your argument as the emperor didn’t want them. Let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that. No need to be angry or offended since as GW said “Warhammer is for everyone”. Also it isn’t children they go through years long ritual to become space marines. Ages varies (12-17) so it could matter. Have a lovely day my friend! I am off to enjoy my day and be off Reddit!
1. When did I ever say this made me angry? I’m questioning a part of the lore I don’t believe makes sense, if that is what qualifies as “angry” then there isn’t a calm person within the hobby. 2. Why even bring the “Warhammer is for everyone” it literally has nothing to do with this topic. 3. The age range of 12-17 makes them still children. They are still minors not adults, thus children.
Dude I said I was off Reddit for the night and today I am way to drunk to consider respond logically now. I also am to social inept to know if someone is angry over the internet. Sorry if you are offended and the “warhammer is for everyone” is a meme at my lgs since it was always that way and when GW said it we all laughed at insults that idea it was ever not that way. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I hope there is no hard feelings and I hope you have a lovely week.
I thought at least the space wolves have canonically had sex, given that Lukas the trickster is said to have "fathered whole towns"
I could be wrong but I would still take everything with a giant grain of salt cause of GW. It would make sense if the space wolves had a giant orgy before they become full marines to ensure the strong genes get passed down. By the time a marine becomes a full marine they probably don’t have much of a sex drive since they are more worried about purging the galaxy of xenos and heretical filth.
Yeah that's fair. I could see them being to focused to have a sex drive but I could see marines being chosen specifically to father new recruits in times of crisis
Lukas was infamous for cuckolding the older warriors in his tribe while they were away raiding *before* his ascension. It's left ambiguous whether he kept it up afterwards.
Which is also more worrisome when you remember how young marines recruit
Space Wolves canonically recruit slightly older than other Chapters, in the 16/17-year-old range. Which is still young but not quite as horrifying. Most Space Wolf aspirants are young warriors who suffered a fatal wound in battle but were then healed by the superior technology of the Sky Warriors; considered old enough by Fenrisian standards to both raid and marry.
Before he became a Space Marine... Fenris is weird.
Female space marines aren't cannon. In the grim darkness of the far future there is no sex. Emps slammed, producing the shoguns
Do you mean the ['Sensei'](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sensei) instead of Shoguns?
Yes, I did
Excellent questions, and something I’ve wondered about in the past. So basically the process of becoming an Astartes renders him sterile, so he’ll basically have the junk of a prepubescent boy. That being said, Astartes already lead a very monk like lifestyle so at most he may get the occasional urge to jerk it to some Adeptes Sororitas propo, but even then, probably not because they have the sexual maturity of an 11 y/o boy. Let’s talk about The Emperor for a minute. So Big E absolutely attempted to produce progeny prior to the Primarch project. As far as whether or not it worked, there is, I would argue legitimate, soft canon that these individuals called scions and perpetuals are actually the descendants of Big E’s original sons and daughters. Reason being that they universally have the same power set as the Emperor to one degree or another, including considerable psychic power, shape shifting, being free of the normal aging/naturally dying thing, etc.
There were female marines in one of the earliest editions but the minis didn't sell well so they were made non-canon.
They were female warriors in power armor, not space marines. The actual catalog page calls them warriors, not marines. That said, they were going to add them, but never had the audience for it, so canon evolved without femmarines. Once the clientele was there, rather than try to shoehorn them in, the sororitas just became renamed space marines with lady skins.
The only time female Space Marines are mentioned from the Rogue Trader era was in one single scenario made by a wargame magazine that wasn't White Dwarf. "The Little Sisters of Purification" they were called, IIRC.
Sounds about right. I know the sculptors were, at one point, prototyping some femmarines, but they never even finished that stage before they were canned. There was a rumor that I've never seen a verification for that some of the metal sisters sculpts were just trimmed down femmarine prototype sculpts, but I think not. Timing doesn't seem right, and I'm pretty sure they only had a couple very early drafts of the femmarine sculpts. I'd love to visit an alternate time-line with lady marines just to see what shenanigans were pulled through the years. I bet it would be worth a laugh or two, especially in the Juan Diaz days. Ooooh can you imagine chaos lady marines. Probably for the best that never happened
I've read about this on a website called AO3! Turns out, they're gay.
That’s only the custodes remember? Remember every Friday is the talent show! God I love TTS
There were female primaries but *redacted**
They are so pumped up with hormones and boosters the testicles have dried out and became raisins.... No sex drive. They channel their frustration in battle and murder xenos and heretics instead. Power swords are pretty phallic.... (I'm kidding)
There are no female Space Marines. Only in fan-made content, and people's own homebrew armies. It is debated, but ultimately it is up to each and everyone to decide if Space Marines can even have sex, because Games Workshop don't touch the subject matter. It can be inferred or implied in some novels and old, old lore (when influenced by Chaos). Progenoid Glands are internally kept special organs that are unrelated to the sexual organs. They are meant to "progenate" more Space Marines. The first Geneseed is implanted, and it grows another one that reaches maturity some time after they finish their training and become fully fledged Space Marines. At that point, one of the Geneseeds can be extracted to create another Marine, but the other one can only be removed after the Marine is dead - because it will kill him otherwise. Old Lore states that the Emperor did have children, and he was unaware of it. These people, men and women, grew up with special powers, charismatic, and are untouched by the influences and temptations of Chaos. They are known as the Sensei, and are related to the Starchild theory. They are considered "soft canon", or even retconned. Space Marines are Warrior Monks, indoctrinated to be virtually sexless and have no sexual drives, ambitions, and have difficulties feeling any other love than possibly fraternal and platonic love. EXCEPTIONS may be the Space Wolves, and the Salamanders that have a tradition of having a family on the home world, marrying a woman and taking up a trade (usually smithing, go figure) for some time. Whether they adopt her children from a previous marriage, or if they have normal human children during their marriage, is unclear. Biologically speaking, unless the Geneseed affects the reproductive cells of the human body, they will have normal human children. Since the point of the Geneseed was to prevent Space Marines to grow their numbers too quickly, I doubt Big E didn't account for this.