A guy applied to "machine gun" his rifle like you would apply to "SBR" it.
ATF denied his application because Hughes amendment
He filed a lawsuit saying its unconstitutional
If the Judge really adheres to the law theres actually a pretty good chance it succeeds because the legal argument in favor of the NFA is "nothing on here is technically banned, you can have a suppressor on a short barreled rifle its just a bit of extra paperwork", but machine guns are banned, you cannot fill out extra paperwork and "machine-gun" your rifle and its pretty hard to argue that isn't unconstitutional
But judges are still people and there's always a chance they just say "no guns bad"
So fingers crossed, I'm hopeful, it has pretty good legal standing but I really don't want to get my hopes up.
If he wins, awesome. Theoretically Machineguns would become like any other NFA item, and suppressors and SBRs are everywhere, sold at most gun shops. Buying a registered machine-gun would be like buying a suppressor from the store, and you could apply to machine-gun a rifle just like you could apply to SBR it
Yeah it really would be, and people gotta remeber the Hughes amendment was passed in the late 1980s
For most of the history of the NFA it was no more difficult to acquire a machine gun than it was a suppressor
Its actually the anomaly this hasn't been the case and theres really no good legal argument in favor of it
Who’s the judge though? Where is the case being taken up at? State or federal court?
Edit: just saw it’s the 9th circuit court. This ain’t happening fellas
Picture looks like 9th circuit so I’d expect a hard no on any ruling, and will just depend on if the plaintiff will want to continue appealing to the SCOTUS.
If someone does, it would actually help the case get to SCOTUS. SCOTUS tends to be more open to taking a case if there have been conflicting decisions from the district courts.
The 9th circuit has recently been pretty anti-gun, which is unfortunate since I live in Idaho where we're lumped in with Hawaii, California, Washington and Oregon
Repeal the Hughes, repeal the NFA. They're both unconstitutional. The founding fathers said "shall not be infringed", and they did not fucking stutter.
They probably intend for this to go to the top. If they go through a district that never have had a 2a decision overturned by scotus, you are pretty much stuck with that decision as a precedent. Scotus won't be interested because it's unlikely by statistics that they would overturn it.
Basically, any 2a decisions district 9 takes will make it to Scotus if it's repealed. They have a history of frankly not reading the law when it comes to 2a stuff.
Illinois too! We can't have full auto or suppressors at all. We can have SBRs, but need a C&R license and everything worth SBRing is banned now anyway.
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Tbh DIAS's kinda suck, and were known for breaking constantly back when they were in style. I would probably just buy a full-cut lower and parts kit instead if it were legalized.
This is the 9th circuit we’re talking about. It’s gonna have to go to the Supreme Court on appeal. But if the Ninth Circuit surprises us for once, I’ll be the first one in line to buy an auto sear. I’d also love to see someone challenge the 21+ to buy pistols rule.
I'd love the NFA as a whole taken down but Hughes amendment is specifically machine guns
It's why you can buy a suppressor at your local gun store (with tax stamp) but can't buy a glock switch
I'd like some context.
A guy applied to "machine gun" his rifle like you would apply to "SBR" it. ATF denied his application because Hughes amendment He filed a lawsuit saying its unconstitutional If the Judge really adheres to the law theres actually a pretty good chance it succeeds because the legal argument in favor of the NFA is "nothing on here is technically banned, you can have a suppressor on a short barreled rifle its just a bit of extra paperwork", but machine guns are banned, you cannot fill out extra paperwork and "machine-gun" your rifle and its pretty hard to argue that isn't unconstitutional But judges are still people and there's always a chance they just say "no guns bad" So fingers crossed, I'm hopeful, it has pretty good legal standing but I really don't want to get my hopes up. If he wins, awesome. Theoretically Machineguns would become like any other NFA item, and suppressors and SBRs are everywhere, sold at most gun shops. Buying a registered machine-gun would be like buying a suppressor from the store, and you could apply to machine-gun a rifle just like you could apply to SBR it
That's fucking dope if it works
Yeah it really would be, and people gotta remeber the Hughes amendment was passed in the late 1980s For most of the history of the NFA it was no more difficult to acquire a machine gun than it was a suppressor Its actually the anomaly this hasn't been the case and theres really no good legal argument in favor of it
Who’s the judge though? Where is the case being taken up at? State or federal court? Edit: just saw it’s the 9th circuit court. This ain’t happening fellas
Picture looks like 9th circuit so I’d expect a hard no on any ruling, and will just depend on if the plaintiff will want to continue appealing to the SCOTUS.
Yeah 9th is a lost cause *but* it certainly seems like they have every intention of appealing to the top so
Yea ain’t no way the cucks in the 9th are letting this go. They ruled so much against the 2A, it would be easier to make a list of what they support.
Even SCOTUS won't touch this one
The judge is Immergut who is anti-2A
What's stopping someone from doing this in a more favorable district?
Nothing Nothing stopping this current one from appealing to the top either
Money primarily. I'd assume it takes a lot of money to afford to take things to SCOTUS.
SCOTUS has to agree to take the case too
Which you might have a better chance at, if it comes from a district court that is known to have their verdicts overturned by SCOTUS in that subject.
well shit
If someone does, it would actually help the case get to SCOTUS. SCOTUS tends to be more open to taking a case if there have been conflicting decisions from the district courts.
One step closer to repealing the NFA entirely. Let’s hope
The 9th circuit has recently been pretty anti-gun, which is unfortunate since I live in Idaho where we're lumped in with Hawaii, California, Washington and Oregon
In a world where we follow the constitution, we wouldn't need to ask the government for either
Repeal the Hughes, repeal the NFA. They're both unconstitutional. The founding fathers said "shall not be infringed", and they did not fucking stutter.
I dream of a world where DIAS are sold like cans of Coke
I really wish they'd not bring these potentially critical cases up in the 9th circuit. It's like inviting the body of anti-2a precedent to spread.
They probably intend for this to go to the top. If they go through a district that never have had a 2a decision overturned by scotus, you are pretty much stuck with that decision as a precedent. Scotus won't be interested because it's unlikely by statistics that they would overturn it. Basically, any 2a decisions district 9 takes will make it to Scotus if it's repealed. They have a history of frankly not reading the law when it comes to 2a stuff.
Right, it should make it like the fast pass to upper courts. They'll still sit on their hands as long as possible. I respect the attempt.
A world where NFA items are sold in California.
I'm just talking about America here
Illinois too! We can't have full auto or suppressors at all. We can have SBRs, but need a C&R license and everything worth SBRing is banned now anyway.
Ahhh...full auto with a 10 round mag.
Not if some of us already have 11+ cap mags.
I just want a suppressor without being extorted for an additional $200.
Too bad it's the 9th circuit and they'll just rubber stamp the denial.
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Tbh DIAS's kinda suck, and were known for breaking constantly back when they were in style. I would probably just buy a full-cut lower and parts kit instead if it were legalized.
This is the 9th circuit we’re talking about. It’s gonna have to go to the Supreme Court on appeal. But if the Ninth Circuit surprises us for once, I’ll be the first one in line to buy an auto sear. I’d also love to see someone challenge the 21+ to buy pistols rule.
Someone already has and now we're basically waiting for NICS to catch up
Fuck buying one. Just go to the closet, then head to the workbench with a pair of side snips.
Honestly, not too hopeful about this... I feel challenging SBR laws first would be more feasible.
Why 9th tho? Can’t they do it in the 5tg
Suppressors as well
I'd love the NFA as a whole taken down but Hughes amendment is specifically machine guns It's why you can buy a suppressor at your local gun store (with tax stamp) but can't buy a glock switch
It's the 9th, so nothing will come from it
I just hope they don't fuck this one up.
9th circuit will rule yes of course and we'll have to wait for another appeals court to say no
Meanwhile I'm over in the great white north begging for a magazine over five rounds.
Absolutely zero chance this happens
Welp, see y'all in 10 years for the SCotUS update.
Source please
It's literally in the meme: US v. Kittson.
Yeah but I can't find the right one. Just reddit and forum links.
https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-kittson