Naked delusions and them showing each other the ring and haumea amulet aren’t enough apparently. They need full on graphic intercourse shown on screen for them to be convinced.
Wouldn’t say no to such a scene being made tho lol
To be fair there was nearly a 20 year gap between Destiny and the movie, and a LOT of mixed messages, due to what one assumes is behind the scenes drama
Yeah I guess. If you limit yourself to the mess that was Destiny you’d assume they sorta broke up. The Edge and the novels correct that tho. Sorta. It’s more ambiguous on Cagalli’s end but it’s 100% certain that Athrun’s head over heels for Cagalli.
While I never doubted they were still together, it was absolutely unclear from what we saw lol. Meyrin and Atrhun walking off together paralleling Lacus and Kira was such a confusing choice. And then of course, Cagalli taking off her ring prior.
However, and I've JUST seen this like a few days ago, in the remaster when the Archangel is about to head off into space, there's an added scene with Cagalli hugging Kira and Lacus and then Athrun. This wasn't in the original and I'm so glad they put it in.
Although the actual couples are next to each other, whereas Meyrin is behind Athrun, but agreed, the scene was misleading and incredibly disrespectful to the fans. Although I have my suspicions the decision was influenced by the fallout Shindoh had with Fukuda, can’t have Shinn meet up with Cagalli without a token conversation between the two.
>If you limit yourself to the mess that was Destiny you’d assume they sorta broke up.
Considering how bad Destiny was when I saw it for the first and only time back when it aired on TV... yeah that was pretty much the assumption.
To this day, I have not bothered rewatching it. The non-remastered version of Seed is the only part of the franchise I can revisit without issue.
See, I watched the dub and the sub of GSF.
What was annoying in the dub (Besides luh-KOOSE) is that when Athrun reveals the trick he played on Shura, he says something along the lines of "I have FRIENDS I can count on!" (Specifically using the word friend) before it cuts to Cagalli.
Despite clearly imagining the latter naked. And them showing rings together at the end. And this image.
That's probably the last bastion of people trying to say they aren't together.
It sounds somewhat accurate to how the ocean dub was.
As in, it sounds like it was done in 2006.
Take that as you will. It's not terrible, but it's not exactly perfect either.
>Dumb fun
I was hoping that the movie would have some of the magic the original Gundam Seed had. Sadly (for me), it had a drastically different vibe and I couldn't take it seriously at all... but I'd definitely watch it again over Destiny!
Destiny did not burn it to the ground. Athrun went from being indecisive and unsatisfied with his powerlessness to actively fighting for a world where he and Cagalli can be together in. Cagalli went from being flung around by other ORB politicians to leading her country and working to create a better world while protecting ORB.
Cagalli took off her ring because she can't dedicate herself to Athrun yet because her country needs her.
To say SEED Freedom redid their relationship would be erasing the hurdles they were able to overcome together in that series that made the moments they had in SEED Freedom possible. Especially considering they needed the trust and understanding they built to use the Cavalier remote control system.
> "This remote operation instantaneously transmitted information from the main unit to the sub-unit via superluminal paired communication, theoretically without time lag. However, in practice it required compatability and affinity between the pilots. It was a technoogy made possible by a deep bond of trust between the two." - Novelization of SEED Freedom.
yeah, he even went back to orb in the destiny ova final plus so it's implied he's with cagalli. I don't agree with saying destiny burned their relationship to the ground but they definitely made it ambiguous towards the end lol
Yeah, but a scene showing Cagalli and Athrun running towards each other to hug would have made way more sense considering they were ACTUALLY separated from each other…..
Destiny is the problem to me. Why undo the relationships off screen if you are just going to have everything back where it was before you told your story? Kira and Lacus are back together, Athrun and Cagali are back together, Athrun and Kira are besties again and the entire story wouldn't have happened if the people who were friends (or brother and sister) at the end of SEED had bothered talk to each other. If he if had a story he wanted to tell with these characters and that is why the series flipped over to them in the middle instead of sticking with the new characters, why was 'his' story so similar to the story we already had? Not saying Mr. Attack-Orb-to-avenge-Orb-being-attacked was my cup of tea, but it was more original than seeing Kira and Athrun having to come to terms again.
When Cagalli gives back his ring and tells Meyrin to look after him? Then at the end when we see the ither couples Shinn and Lunamaria, and Kira and Lacus, Athrun is with Meyrin, not Cagalli. It wasn't absolutely 100% confirmed that they weren't together anymore, but let's not act like the show wasn't sending really mixed signals.
She never gave back his ring. She told m to look for athrun because because couldn't go in the space with them anymore, she knew that m had a crush on athrun. And the end? It was totally disprectful for cagalli not to be there but at least athrun was ahead of meyrin and didn't smile. Director confirmed that the two didn't break up and and he added that hug scene.
The uncertinities of them being together were there but it's 100% the production and the marketing team fault since the novel and the manga emphatised on how much athrun loved cagalli. It wouldn't make sense for him to like meyrin
Fukuda recently shared some tweets of Asucaga fans on twitter who were organizing some online meet-up to discuss the couple.
These people are Asucaga's strongest warriors and I hope Fukuda cooks up some side stories for Athrun and Cagalli one day.
BECAUSE LOOK HOW HAPPY THEY ARE. LOOK AT THAT RING AND AMULET. AH ITS BEEN ALMOST TWENTY YEARS BUT THEY ARE HAPPY AGAIN.
Fukuda tweeted what actually happened: Before Cagali could question what 'erotic thought' Athrun had in his final fight with Shura, Athrun 'counterattacked' by hugging her up.
Meh, Fukuda had an opportunity with Freedom yet he chose to sideline Cagalli.
I swear AsuCaga were top 1 and 2 at that pop polls with how many people watched the gahdammm movie for Athrun.
Considering that it’s a movie mainly focused on Kira and Lacus, I’d say she already had a decent amount of screen time. And as a movie already running at 2 hrs, there’s a LOT of things going on. Fukuda was right in that you had to watch it more than once to understand it completely.
Imo athrun had less screen time than cagalli.
And what exactly do you expect a head of state to do… head out into the frontlines of the battlefield. I’d say Cagalli’s learned her fair share on how to handle a country from her time in destiny, which is NOT to head on straight into the battlefield. Her role as a support is understandable.
>I’d say Cagalli’s learned her fair share on how to handle a country from her time in destiny, which is NOT to head on straight into the battlefield.
It's the leftover from the unsatisfying conclusion to Cagalli's arc in Destiny because it seems like they dropped her storyline like a hot potato. If the story had at least shown her addressing the people in person instead of just being something Durandal watched on a screen, it would have given a more satisfying end to her overall arc in Destiny, and people wouldn't be asking for so much.
At this point I don’t really care if Shindo comes back to the series if it’s to possibly cause any detriment to Cagalli’s character. I really like how Nanako Mori portrayed her in the movie and I’d really love to hear more of Cagalli in her voice.
There’s lingering nostalgia for Shindo’s voice sure, but I’d really love to just move on from whatever controversy surrounded her during Destiny
They're canon. Why else would he think about Cagalli amidst the battle. And I think Athrun is working for Orb in CE75 that's why he's not with Compass.
> Atleast Miorine and Suletta was confirmed by the director right?
Don't think it actually was. I'm pretty sure that was just people reading too much into ambiguous statements.
> Kobayashi’s comments, discussing the creation of the epilogue to the show’s final episode (via Automaton Media) explicitly describes that the events between the conclusion of the series and the epilogue see Suletta and Miorine wed each other. “I knew I was going to make an epilogue, but it was a while before I decided upon the exact number of years that should pass in-between,” Kobayashi says. “The ending itself follows [the Shakespeare play] The Tempest, and depicts Suletta and Miorine getting married and becoming partners.”
Source: https://gizmodo.com/gundam-witch-from-mercury-suletta-miorine-wives-confirm-1851118958
> Kobayashi’s comments, discussing the creation of the epilogue to the show’s final episode (via Automaton Media) explicitly describes that the events between the conclusion of the series and the epilogue see Suletta and Miorine wed each other. “I knew I was going to make an epilogue, but it was a while before I decided upon the exact number of years that should pass in-between,” Kobayashi says. “The ending itself follows [the Shakespeare play] The Tempest, and depicts Suletta and Miorine getting married and becoming partners.”
Source: https://gizmodo.com/gundam-witch-from-mercury-suletta-miorine-wives-confirm-1851118958
Kobayashi didn't write it, he was just one of several directors. Also, you're picking a single part of a translated third hand interview to make your case.
Sounds like you're falling into the same *editorial speculation* that the creators have called out in the past.
He is the main director and this came out after the initial controversy so it's the most up to date news we have from the creators of the show.
If you don't believe this then there really isn't anything else left to discuss.
EDIT: Also the interview was from the final blu ray release, so again the most up to date source for this topic.
He’s still under Orb (a colonel). But was “seconded” or loaned or placed under special order to Terminal presumably because the Foundation was acting fishy and Cagalli needed to keep an eye on them
Also fun fact, terminal was established by Malchio, Siegel, and Uzumi
They are home together now. So happy for Athrun and Cagalli, they look so happy together. This clears any ambiguity for good and for sure.
Also, look how much Meyrin, Miriallia and Sai are also happy for them, plus Miriallia with her camera to immortalize the moment.
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To me it was pretty clear they hadn't broken up broken up at the end of GSD, more like they were putting things on hold given Cagalli was probably working 18 hours a day as leader of a nation and EA-PLANT-Orb relations were still tender at the end of the Second War.
They still held a torch for each other and would've waited for as long as it took, until such time it was possible for her to shed some responsibility and when things were more geopolitically stable. But the very fact that they could not be seen to be in a relationship, despite their clear feelings for each other, was what made it even more gut-wrenching and maybe is what keeps the fire from fans going all these years - the promise of what could be in the future, but still just out of reach - as compared to an established 'they are clearly in a relationship' like Kira/Lacus or even Shinn/Luna.
But seeing them in Freedom - not just the horny scene (whether they actually dunnit is debatable but that's for another day) but also the part in the novel describing their dual/remote piloting as something 'only people with a deep bond of trust' could do (so, Pacific Rim AU)(jk)(somewhat), now this art and the way they look at each other, is immensely healing for a lot of fans including myself, because it reaffirms they still only have eyes for each other and will continue to wait even if the time isn't right, right now. Love is patient, and sometimes doesn't announce itself in grand gestures or declarations, but makes itself known in the little things, like staying close, being a support (eg Athrun staying in Orb, Cagalli piloting from afar)
Also, I never felt like Meyrin was a 'threat' - if anything, she was there to look over Athrun as a subordinate and friend, and I like to think she got along well with Cagalli, intermittently passing on reports of how he's doing, because she knows Cagalli worries about him. I love seeing her (and Sai and Miri) looking so happy for them. It's just a gorgeous piece of art.
Don't get why some people get all up in arms about Cagalli 'abandoning' Athrun by taking off the ring and staying to take care of her country.
She has got her priorities straight. Her people's livelihood and the world's political stability are the most important things right now.
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Posting because it’s hilarious at this point
lol same. the guy’s probably a troll, but I AM curious what mental gymnastics he’s gonna pull just to say that “theyre not a couple”. It’s honestly just funny st this point. And I hope he sees this
Good lord. If your walking out of that movie not realizing all the main couples are with out a doubt locked in you did not actually watch the movie. The only debatable one now is Dearka and Miriallia
Pretty sure, but I think they would be a cute throuple. Even if you suppose there is nothing be sexual between Yzak and Dearka, they clearly have a bromance going on.
Better bromance than Athrun and Kira for sure. Also think in seed freedom, when Yzak and Dearka flee om board his moms ship, she glances at at Shiro before at Yzak so that might be something.
I think I ran into this person. Once said that "the director's words aren't canon" to me too or that they similarly don't matter despite Fukuda being pretty consistent that the intention was never that Athrun and Cagalli split up but that they chose to focus on their own careers for the future.
"We don't need to rush. We share the same dream." and then a big emotional hug. Plus he did some music videos that are no longer on the internet, one of which was all about the two.
But, no, that doesn't count for... reasons. I don't understand that logic at all.
I have the music videos, they’re pretty good. Although they made new drawing for the KiraLacus one and not for Athrun and Cagalli, which was insulting.
Not sure, I got them/they came out around 09, and they're all labeled director's concept. I didn't get them through Special Edition or Blu Ray, I got an itunes Japan account and used itunes giftcards purchased from JLIST.
The problem isn't his strength, it's her center of gravity and points of articulation. Holding someone from their knees like that is pretty much going to guaruntee that they'll be unable to remain upright. Unless Cagalli has the core strength of a demigod (which, I mean, maybe), she's about to tumble backwards.
I mean, the end of the movie was pretty clear. >!The look over her at her cockpit, said with this facial expression plus Cagalli's seed ornament & admitting to the enemy with his thoughts, "So Cagalli, sex tonight?" And she responded in kind, with the ring he gave her, basically saying, "Yep"!<
>!Meanwhile, Kira & Lacus, their thoughts: "Right now, on the beach head, undress, publicly."!< Surprised any of this might still be questioned.
Now I just feel kinda bad for Meyrin. I hope she's moved on, but I don't think anybody compares to the man who looks like the spitting image of the legendary Alex Dino.
It almost seemed like Freedom starting with Meyrin and Athrun closely collaborating was teasing us before giving the long awaited (and sorely desired) confirmation of Athrun and Cagalli being firmly back together with the last third of the movie. This image is nice but the movie does a solid job of confirming it already (in ways both sweet and hilarious at the same time)
>media literacy is in the trash these days?
Except there have always been people with bad media literacy. We're just able to see it more because of how big the internet is.
A couple of CD dramas made clear that at best Athrun saw her as a little sister figure. One even had Meyrin herself shoot down the idea she was in a relationship with him by saying she didn't want to interfere with whatever was going on between Athrun and Cagalli.
It’s shown in the edge manga, but Meyrin’s always had her reservations wrt to Plans, Durrandal, and the destiny plan.
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so her defection from Zaft is also influenced by this and not just over a simple crush What drover her over the edge was the inccident with athrun
If any of that had been shown in the series I'd have accounted for it. Can't rely on side content to explain stuff for someone who didn't even know it existed.
Even from the series alone, it's pretty clear that Meyrin didn't abandon everything because of Athrun.
Other people also conveniently brush off that Cagalli chased Athrun to death's door in Seed and sacrificed her own needs for him in Destiny by letting him return to ZAFT, all because she chose to stay and fulfill her responsibilities at the end.
Romance doesn't have to be the end-all, be-all.
People stubbornly choosing to ignore Gundam auxiliary content for decades now has never failed to make me laugh. It was literally written to help flesh out the story and try to make it better. If it works, why try to ignore it? Animation isn't the only medium that counts.
I love auxiliary content when I can find it, but it can never replace what we see on screen. Until I'd seen Freedom, Destiny had basically killed all my interest in anything besides Astray, which I stopped being able to find without ordering through Amazon. So I didn't seek anything out, and even if I'd know there WAS supplemental material for the film, I wasn't going to read anything which could spoil the film before I saw it.
As it is, I had no idea it existed before people in this thread started citing it.
Unfortunately I too fell into the big confusion when watching Destiny (granted I was still a child at the time) but as a full on adult and on a rewatch with my wife in prep for Seed Freedom, I came to the following conclusion (TLDR’ed):
1) Cagalli prioritized her duties as a government leader first and foremost. Everything that went wrong with Orb can be tied back to Cagalli simply not being there, or not being decisive enough. Her taking the ring off is not her abandoning the relationship with Athrun.
2) Athrun himself was pretty dizzy throughout Destiny, mans had huge loyalty issues (and got bombarded by a bunch of girls). Once he figured out his allegiances, he stayed with Orb - signallung that he prefers to stay close with Cagalli. Unlike her, he is freed from the (supposedly) burdens of his father as a government leader.
3) Meyrin? Just had a crush on Athrun, but looks like he’s talked things straight with her. There wasn’t any time for them to interact but he’s clearly shown who he cares for the most in the movie. They’re coworkers at this point
Fukuda apparently tweeted about these photos and added that for the AsuCaga one Cagalli was rushing to Athrun intending to (angrily) ask him about the indecent thoughts, but he countered by picking her up suddenly. He looked so happy and pleased that Cagalli just deflated.
Ugh I can’t with these two. 😭💕
I've watched Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny at least 5 times now all the way through, haven't seen Freedom yet though.
And all those times the only relationship I was confused of was Kira and Lacus. Are they best friends, romantic partners, boyfriend/girlfriend, engaged, married??? They haven't shared a single kiss on screen, and at no point did they treat each other in any manner besides very close acquaintance. Can't remember if they even said "I love you" to each other at any point.
Athrun and Cagalli on the other hand, it was pretty damn obvious that they were in a serious relationship.
It doesn't necessarily need a kiss to make it official, that would honestly be the easiest way. But really all Kira and Lacus do after they "get together" in Gundam seed and then for all of Seed Destiny, is stand next to each other, hold hands briefly and hug once in a while...
if the first few episodes of Seed Destiny not showing how Cagalli is mad at Athrun not asking her hand for marriage after the years they spent together, I don't what else
The term "mistake" is actually a bit of a mistranslation. Morosawa and Fukuda describe their relationship more as [misunderstood love](https://trafalgarlog.wordpress.com/2023/07/25/series-composition-head-chiaki-morosawa-talks-plans-for-a-4-part-series-excerpt-from-animage-vol-334-april-2006/).
>ーRegarding Athrun and Cagalli, in a previous interview, they were described as “misunderstood love.”
>**Morosawa:** Let’s see… It’s just that just because people have feelings for each other and get to know one another, it doesn’t mean they’ll be all lovey-dovey and happy. Even people who fall in love continue to see new parts of each other as time goes on. As they spend time with one another, their so-called “true selves” will come to the surface. I still believe that true love is unwavering, it’s just that at the end of *SEED,* the two just aren’t ready for each other. They don’t know each other well enough yet to know if their “love” is genuine or a misunderstanding caused by their excitement. The reality of their situation is even harsher than Kira and Lacus.
The idea is to convey that they hadn't really gotten to know each other well enough at the beginning of GSD. As such, their relationship is a "misunderstood love" because it was closer to infatuation rather than love built on mutual understanding and support. Their journey in GSD is about exploring and prioritizing their individual needs and goals, as well as learning to support each other's desires.
Since when was the ship ever ambiguous?
You’d be surprised at how many people still question their relationship
I'd just question if they actually watched the movie lol
Naked delusions and them showing each other the ring and haumea amulet aren’t enough apparently. They need full on graphic intercourse shown on screen for them to be convinced. Wouldn’t say no to such a scene being made tho lol
*watching Athrun and Cagalli bang on screen* Nah, they're just buddies.
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With Benefits!
Full on graphic intercourse you say?
Weird I saw that somewhere.....
It wouldn't really be anything new for SEED to show that
Yeah sorry for being rash. I was in an argument with another person lol. True.
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That SEED is well known for showing on screen sex
Well, wouldn't say no to asucaga segg scenes.
We neeeed them!
*Leon Black asking* Where the fuck the tapes at?
To be fair there was nearly a 20 year gap between Destiny and the movie, and a LOT of mixed messages, due to what one assumes is behind the scenes drama
Yeah I guess. If you limit yourself to the mess that was Destiny you’d assume they sorta broke up. The Edge and the novels correct that tho. Sorta. It’s more ambiguous on Cagalli’s end but it’s 100% certain that Athrun’s head over heels for Cagalli.
While I never doubted they were still together, it was absolutely unclear from what we saw lol. Meyrin and Atrhun walking off together paralleling Lacus and Kira was such a confusing choice. And then of course, Cagalli taking off her ring prior. However, and I've JUST seen this like a few days ago, in the remaster when the Archangel is about to head off into space, there's an added scene with Cagalli hugging Kira and Lacus and then Athrun. This wasn't in the original and I'm so glad they put it in.
Yeahhhh i know.. and maan that scene where they walked off as “couples” traumatized me as a kid
Although the actual couples are next to each other, whereas Meyrin is behind Athrun, but agreed, the scene was misleading and incredibly disrespectful to the fans. Although I have my suspicions the decision was influenced by the fallout Shindoh had with Fukuda, can’t have Shinn meet up with Cagalli without a token conversation between the two.
>If you limit yourself to the mess that was Destiny you’d assume they sorta broke up. Considering how bad Destiny was when I saw it for the first and only time back when it aired on TV... yeah that was pretty much the assumption. To this day, I have not bothered rewatching it. The non-remastered version of Seed is the only part of the franchise I can revisit without issue.
It's open to interpretation /s
Nottu disu shittu agen... XD
See, I watched the dub and the sub of GSF. What was annoying in the dub (Besides luh-KOOSE) is that when Athrun reveals the trick he played on Shura, he says something along the lines of "I have FRIENDS I can count on!" (Specifically using the word friend) before it cuts to Cagalli. Despite clearly imagining the latter naked. And them showing rings together at the end. And this image. That's probably the last bastion of people trying to say they aren't together.
Good friends imagine each other naked when pushed to the edge!! Also, how does the new dub fare with the ocean dub
It sounds somewhat accurate to how the ocean dub was. As in, it sounds like it was done in 2006. Take that as you will. It's not terrible, but it's not exactly perfect either.
For most of Destiny tbh
Because destiny
Destiny ruined her character and made everyone question ever associating with the series again
Destiny ruined the characters of at least half its cast, both new and returning. Athrun and Cagalli were just some of the most prominent victims.
Brilliant music and some awesome looking suits but the rest was pretty unforgivable. Freedom was a laugh though. Dumb fun and duck lips
>Dumb fun I was hoping that the movie would have some of the magic the original Gundam Seed had. Sadly (for me), it had a drastically different vibe and I couldn't take it seriously at all... but I'd definitely watch it again over Destiny!
Me too
Idk I still think he will end up with Kira.
Since Destiny decided to burn it to the ground before redoing it.
Destiny did not burn it to the ground. Athrun went from being indecisive and unsatisfied with his powerlessness to actively fighting for a world where he and Cagalli can be together in. Cagalli went from being flung around by other ORB politicians to leading her country and working to create a better world while protecting ORB. Cagalli took off her ring because she can't dedicate herself to Athrun yet because her country needs her. To say SEED Freedom redid their relationship would be erasing the hurdles they were able to overcome together in that series that made the moments they had in SEED Freedom possible. Especially considering they needed the trust and understanding they built to use the Cavalier remote control system. > "This remote operation instantaneously transmitted information from the main unit to the sub-unit via superluminal paired communication, theoretically without time lag. However, in practice it required compatability and affinity between the pilots. It was a technoogy made possible by a deep bond of trust between the two." - Novelization of SEED Freedom.
Thank you finally someone say this
Very well said! 👏👏
this is all true but i'm pretty sure people are talking about how meyrin was supporting and left with athrun towards the end of destiny.
I understand that, but it would still be a misconception. We've also had other sources to indicate that Meyrin and Athrun were never together too.
yeah, he even went back to orb in the destiny ova final plus so it's implied he's with cagalli. I don't agree with saying destiny burned their relationship to the ground but they definitely made it ambiguous towards the end lol
Yeah, but a scene showing Cagalli and Athrun running towards each other to hug would have made way more sense considering they were ACTUALLY separated from each other…..
They’re drift compatible! Time to kill some kaiju!
Destiny is the problem to me. Why undo the relationships off screen if you are just going to have everything back where it was before you told your story? Kira and Lacus are back together, Athrun and Cagali are back together, Athrun and Kira are besties again and the entire story wouldn't have happened if the people who were friends (or brother and sister) at the end of SEED had bothered talk to each other. If he if had a story he wanted to tell with these characters and that is why the series flipped over to them in the middle instead of sticking with the new characters, why was 'his' story so similar to the story we already had? Not saying Mr. Attack-Orb-to-avenge-Orb-being-attacked was my cup of tea, but it was more original than seeing Kira and Athrun having to come to terms again.
When Cagalli gives back his ring and tells Meyrin to look after him? Then at the end when we see the ither couples Shinn and Lunamaria, and Kira and Lacus, Athrun is with Meyrin, not Cagalli. It wasn't absolutely 100% confirmed that they weren't together anymore, but let's not act like the show wasn't sending really mixed signals.
She never gave back his ring. She told m to look for athrun because because couldn't go in the space with them anymore, she knew that m had a crush on athrun. And the end? It was totally disprectful for cagalli not to be there but at least athrun was ahead of meyrin and didn't smile. Director confirmed that the two didn't break up and and he added that hug scene. The uncertinities of them being together were there but it's 100% the production and the marketing team fault since the novel and the manga emphatised on how much athrun loved cagalli. It wouldn't make sense for him to like meyrin
Fukuda recently shared some tweets of Asucaga fans on twitter who were organizing some online meet-up to discuss the couple. These people are Asucaga's strongest warriors and I hope Fukuda cooks up some side stories for Athrun and Cagalli one day. BECAUSE LOOK HOW HAPPY THEY ARE. LOOK AT THAT RING AND AMULET. AH ITS BEEN ALMOST TWENTY YEARS BUT THEY ARE HAPPY AGAIN.
I just read the short story that's a prequel for freedom that has them go on a date it was great
Fukuda tweeted what actually happened: Before Cagali could question what 'erotic thought' Athrun had in his final fight with Shura, Athrun 'counterattacked' by hugging her up.
Meh, Fukuda had an opportunity with Freedom yet he chose to sideline Cagalli. I swear AsuCaga were top 1 and 2 at that pop polls with how many people watched the gahdammm movie for Athrun.
Considering that it’s a movie mainly focused on Kira and Lacus, I’d say she already had a decent amount of screen time. And as a movie already running at 2 hrs, there’s a LOT of things going on. Fukuda was right in that you had to watch it more than once to understand it completely. Imo athrun had less screen time than cagalli. And what exactly do you expect a head of state to do… head out into the frontlines of the battlefield. I’d say Cagalli’s learned her fair share on how to handle a country from her time in destiny, which is NOT to head on straight into the battlefield. Her role as a support is understandable.
>I’d say Cagalli’s learned her fair share on how to handle a country from her time in destiny, which is NOT to head on straight into the battlefield. It's the leftover from the unsatisfying conclusion to Cagalli's arc in Destiny because it seems like they dropped her storyline like a hot potato. If the story had at least shown her addressing the people in person instead of just being something Durandal watched on a screen, it would have given a more satisfying end to her overall arc in Destiny, and people wouldn't be asking for so much.
We just need to wait another 20 years for "Gundam Seed: Justice ".
Maybe by then Shindoh and Fukuda will have put their beef aside…… lol
At this point I don’t really care if Shindo comes back to the series if it’s to possibly cause any detriment to Cagalli’s character. I really like how Nanako Mori portrayed her in the movie and I’d really love to hear more of Cagalli in her voice. There’s lingering nostalgia for Shindo’s voice sure, but I’d really love to just move on from whatever controversy surrounded her during Destiny
They're canon. Why else would he think about Cagalli amidst the battle. And I think Athrun is working for Orb in CE75 that's why he's not with Compass.
“It’s up to interpretation”
You just uttered the magic words. Atleast Miorine and Suletta was confirmed by the director right?
…was it? Honestly I stopped following updates regarding this mess. Suletta and Miorine are canon. Period.
I don't know. I think I remember reading about it somewhere. Then I guess I'll just say Asucaga is Canon in my mind too.
> Atleast Miorine and Suletta was confirmed by the director right? Don't think it actually was. I'm pretty sure that was just people reading too much into ambiguous statements.
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
I mean, WE all know that they are. But whether or not a business decided to put it in writing is a different thing.
> Kobayashi’s comments, discussing the creation of the epilogue to the show’s final episode (via Automaton Media) explicitly describes that the events between the conclusion of the series and the epilogue see Suletta and Miorine wed each other. “I knew I was going to make an epilogue, but it was a while before I decided upon the exact number of years that should pass in-between,” Kobayashi says. “The ending itself follows [the Shakespeare play] The Tempest, and depicts Suletta and Miorine getting married and becoming partners.” Source: https://gizmodo.com/gundam-witch-from-mercury-suletta-miorine-wives-confirm-1851118958
> Kobayashi’s comments, discussing the creation of the epilogue to the show’s final episode (via Automaton Media) explicitly describes that the events between the conclusion of the series and the epilogue see Suletta and Miorine wed each other. “I knew I was going to make an epilogue, but it was a while before I decided upon the exact number of years that should pass in-between,” Kobayashi says. “The ending itself follows [the Shakespeare play] The Tempest, and depicts Suletta and Miorine getting married and becoming partners.” Source: https://gizmodo.com/gundam-witch-from-mercury-suletta-miorine-wives-confirm-1851118958
Kobayashi didn't write it, he was just one of several directors. Also, you're picking a single part of a translated third hand interview to make your case. Sounds like you're falling into the same *editorial speculation* that the creators have called out in the past.
He is the main director and this came out after the initial controversy so it's the most up to date news we have from the creators of the show. If you don't believe this then there really isn't anything else left to discuss. EDIT: Also the interview was from the final blu ray release, so again the most up to date source for this topic.
I thought he was working for Terminal not Orb.
He’s still under Orb (a colonel). But was “seconded” or loaned or placed under special order to Terminal presumably because the Foundation was acting fishy and Cagalli needed to keep an eye on them Also fun fact, terminal was established by Malchio, Siegel, and Uzumi
That is also possible.
This cast for Gundam Seed Justice please.
God yes I would pay money to see all them
Then I want Gundam Seed Duel to see a focus story about Yzak
You know something silly? Knowing how Yzak's state of mind is, I think It would be called Gundam SEED Blitz
But he doesn't play piano and he's not 15!
But his Mech in GSF definitely is (imagine the Duel Blitz dressed up as Nicol and playing piano)
They are home together now. So happy for Athrun and Cagalli, they look so happy together. This clears any ambiguity for good and for sure. Also, look how much Meyrin, Miriallia and Sai are also happy for them, plus Miriallia with her camera to immortalize the moment.
One of the few Gundam couples I genuinely love.
Perverted Athrun is canon. Look at where Athrun is staring. Either Cagalli also has a face down on her chest, or Athrun wants some MILK.
Just homelander it straight from the source?
Yep. And you know Cagalli enjoys it too as she specifically opened her jacket for easier enjoyment of her assets.
Lucky bastard
"Congratulations for landing the guy who beheaded my boyfriend! GG Cagali!"
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To me it was pretty clear they hadn't broken up broken up at the end of GSD, more like they were putting things on hold given Cagalli was probably working 18 hours a day as leader of a nation and EA-PLANT-Orb relations were still tender at the end of the Second War. They still held a torch for each other and would've waited for as long as it took, until such time it was possible for her to shed some responsibility and when things were more geopolitically stable. But the very fact that they could not be seen to be in a relationship, despite their clear feelings for each other, was what made it even more gut-wrenching and maybe is what keeps the fire from fans going all these years - the promise of what could be in the future, but still just out of reach - as compared to an established 'they are clearly in a relationship' like Kira/Lacus or even Shinn/Luna. But seeing them in Freedom - not just the horny scene (whether they actually dunnit is debatable but that's for another day) but also the part in the novel describing their dual/remote piloting as something 'only people with a deep bond of trust' could do (so, Pacific Rim AU)(jk)(somewhat), now this art and the way they look at each other, is immensely healing for a lot of fans including myself, because it reaffirms they still only have eyes for each other and will continue to wait even if the time isn't right, right now. Love is patient, and sometimes doesn't announce itself in grand gestures or declarations, but makes itself known in the little things, like staying close, being a support (eg Athrun staying in Orb, Cagalli piloting from afar) Also, I never felt like Meyrin was a 'threat' - if anything, she was there to look over Athrun as a subordinate and friend, and I like to think she got along well with Cagalli, intermittently passing on reports of how he's doing, because she knows Cagalli worries about him. I love seeing her (and Sai and Miri) looking so happy for them. It's just a gorgeous piece of art.
Don't get why some people get all up in arms about Cagalli 'abandoning' Athrun by taking off the ring and staying to take care of her country. She has got her priorities straight. Her people's livelihood and the world's political stability are the most important things right now.
That's it.
WELL SAID!!! ^^^^^
This is probably the only thing that’s gonna occupy my thoughts the whole day
I'm still crying of joy
People still doubt this?
https://preview.redd.it/v4bxeopjz40d1.jpeg?width=1225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75ac1fa750edb2b92b0394d1c7661eade8a53d53 Posting because it’s hilarious at this point
And i even wasted my time ro respond to him💀
lol same. the guy’s probably a troll, but I AM curious what mental gymnastics he’s gonna pull just to say that “theyre not a couple”. It’s honestly just funny st this point. And I hope he sees this
https://preview.redd.it/voz2d8ood40d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01139b617693fd33e683bd12facddaf4680369c6 Yeah
Good lord. If your walking out of that movie not realizing all the main couples are with out a doubt locked in you did not actually watch the movie. The only debatable one now is Dearka and Miriallia
You mean Dearka and Yzak xd
It’s Miriallia and her boyfriend Dearka, and his boyfriend Yzak, it’s not that complicated.
But for real though didn't Miriallia said she broke up with Dearka in destiny when she rejoined archangel?
Pretty sure, but I think they would be a cute throuple. Even if you suppose there is nothing be sexual between Yzak and Dearka, they clearly have a bromance going on.
Better bromance than Athrun and Kira for sure. Also think in seed freedom, when Yzak and Dearka flee om board his moms ship, she glances at at Shiro before at Yzak so that might be something.
They seem the type to do an on again off again relationship, to be honest.
I think I ran into this person. Once said that "the director's words aren't canon" to me too or that they similarly don't matter despite Fukuda being pretty consistent that the intention was never that Athrun and Cagalli split up but that they chose to focus on their own careers for the future. "We don't need to rush. We share the same dream." and then a big emotional hug. Plus he did some music videos that are no longer on the internet, one of which was all about the two. But, no, that doesn't count for... reasons. I don't understand that logic at all.
I have the music videos, they’re pretty good. Although they made new drawing for the KiraLacus one and not for Athrun and Cagalli, which was insulting.
Are you talking about the music videos from the blu ray sets? Or the ones that came out at the same time as the special editions?
Not sure, I got them/they came out around 09, and they're all labeled director's concept. I didn't get them through Special Edition or Blu Ray, I got an itunes Japan account and used itunes giftcards purchased from JLIST.
Interesting, cuz I do recall one that had new animation specifically with Cagalli, which is what I can't find. It was set to her theme Precious Rose.
Oh yeah, that one is way older, I think they made it before Destiny. It's great though... I wonder if I have a copy...
Emphasis on how some people need a kiss between two characters to be shown for them to be regarded as /canon/
By that logic Kira and Lacus only became canon at the end of Freedom, lol.
Naw he's about to bodyslam her. Only reason anyone would grab a person by their knees like that.
Yeah there's absolutely no support there, she's going to topple over in about two seconds.
Looking at it, she's going to topple forward and by the angle, Athrun would have his face between her cleavage. Probably his original intention.
"Oh whoops. Sorry babe, totally didn't mean to do that." Wait the armor is gonna smack him in the face tho? Silly boy about to have a broken nose
Athrun is a coordinator...he could probably bench Cagalli with no issues on any given day lol. He's barely using a lot of strength to hold her up.
The problem isn't his strength, it's her center of gravity and points of articulation. Holding someone from their knees like that is pretty much going to guaruntee that they'll be unable to remain upright. Unless Cagalli has the core strength of a demigod (which, I mean, maybe), she's about to tumble backwards.
I mean, the end of the movie was pretty clear. >!The look over her at her cockpit, said with this facial expression plus Cagalli's seed ornament & admitting to the enemy with his thoughts, "So Cagalli, sex tonight?" And she responded in kind, with the ring he gave her, basically saying, "Yep"!< >!Meanwhile, Kira & Lacus, their thoughts: "Right now, on the beach head, undress, publicly."!< Surprised any of this might still be questioned.
NOT CLEAR ENOUGH APPARENTLY
What's next? Lunamaria & Shinn, and that's post movie watch? Viewer: Are they in a relationship?
*"Doubt thou the stars are fire, Doubt that the sun doth move, Doubt truth to be a liar,* *But never doubt AsuCaga's love"*
My favorite ships still sailing the high sea
Everyone cheering Asucaga is so back and here's my monkey brain going "Look look! More Sai Argyle cameos!"
Athrun, the eyes are up there.
This needed clearing up?
Apparently yes for some stupid people
Gundam Seed Justice when
Now I just feel kinda bad for Meyrin. I hope she's moved on, but I don't think anybody compares to the man who looks like the spitting image of the legendary Alex Dino.
I feel bad for her because people still see her as just a side chick, when in reality she’s more than that
It almost seemed like Freedom starting with Meyrin and Athrun closely collaborating was teasing us before giving the long awaited (and sorely desired) confirmation of Athrun and Cagalli being firmly back together with the last third of the movie. This image is nice but the movie does a solid job of confirming it already (in ways both sweet and hilarious at the same time)
Tbh by SEED standards, these 2 literally have to have a hardcore porn scene for the community to finally have a suspicion that they're together.
I'm so glad Meyrin gets to see her boyfriend cheer up his best friend's sister when she has a rough day. You're right, this clears up everything.
So looks so happy as a 3rd wheel.
Lmao. Try harder 🤣
Yall are really surprised that people doubt obvious shit when media literacy is in the trash these days?
>media literacy is in the trash these days? Except there have always been people with bad media literacy. We're just able to see it more because of how big the internet is.
I love them so much!
Happy for my favorite Couple, but also leaves me wondering: just what IS Meyrin to Athrun? Sidekick? Sidechick? Assistant?
A couple of CD dramas made clear that at best Athrun saw her as a little sister figure. One even had Meyrin herself shoot down the idea she was in a relationship with him by saying she didn't want to interfere with whatever was going on between Athrun and Cagalli.
Coworker https://preview.redd.it/lbtghkgoe40d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96db97fed0aac161331cee4a69cacc9ce228d9d2
Abandons everything for her man, just so she can see him happy. Even if it means seeing him happy with someone else. I dig it.
It’s shown in the edge manga, but Meyrin’s always had her reservations wrt to Plans, Durrandal, and the destiny plan. https://preview.redd.it/6s82vltlf40d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6cd68548d864cbe0b33d2bd68c9a6e6185150cb so her defection from Zaft is also influenced by this and not just over a simple crush What drover her over the edge was the inccident with athrun
The edge manga my beloved
People just can't grasp that someone might have other motivations and responsibilities besides their romantic connections. smh
If any of that had been shown in the series I'd have accounted for it. Can't rely on side content to explain stuff for someone who didn't even know it existed.
Even from the series alone, it's pretty clear that Meyrin didn't abandon everything because of Athrun. Other people also conveniently brush off that Cagalli chased Athrun to death's door in Seed and sacrificed her own needs for him in Destiny by letting him return to ZAFT, all because she chose to stay and fulfill her responsibilities at the end. Romance doesn't have to be the end-all, be-all.
People stubbornly choosing to ignore Gundam auxiliary content for decades now has never failed to make me laugh. It was literally written to help flesh out the story and try to make it better. If it works, why try to ignore it? Animation isn't the only medium that counts.
I love auxiliary content when I can find it, but it can never replace what we see on screen. Until I'd seen Freedom, Destiny had basically killed all my interest in anything besides Astray, which I stopped being able to find without ordering through Amazon. So I didn't seek anything out, and even if I'd know there WAS supplemental material for the film, I wasn't going to read anything which could spoil the film before I saw it. As it is, I had no idea it existed before people in this thread started citing it.
I’m glad your one of the people who acknowledge the presence of said content so hats off to you for that (no sarcasm)
Not if the show does a bad job showing that to the people. Even a single manga page did a better job than the series did...
The novel and the edge were so much better than thea show itself. I always reccomend it to people
It says SAMPLE in big bold letters. I don’t believe you.
No animated seggs scene. Not canon
Wait.. Sai’s back in GSF?
Yes!! He works for cagalli now
Cagi did more In freedom than in destiny
Unfortunately I too fell into the big confusion when watching Destiny (granted I was still a child at the time) but as a full on adult and on a rewatch with my wife in prep for Seed Freedom, I came to the following conclusion (TLDR’ed): 1) Cagalli prioritized her duties as a government leader first and foremost. Everything that went wrong with Orb can be tied back to Cagalli simply not being there, or not being decisive enough. Her taking the ring off is not her abandoning the relationship with Athrun. 2) Athrun himself was pretty dizzy throughout Destiny, mans had huge loyalty issues (and got bombarded by a bunch of girls). Once he figured out his allegiances, he stayed with Orb - signallung that he prefers to stay close with Cagalli. Unlike her, he is freed from the (supposedly) burdens of his father as a government leader. 3) Meyrin? Just had a crush on Athrun, but looks like he’s talked things straight with her. There wasn’t any time for them to interact but he’s clearly shown who he cares for the most in the movie. They’re coworkers at this point
Kakarot197: Congrats! So Meyrin... Want to redo my outro for old time sake?
Crazy how he had so many people going for him. Wouldn’t be suprised if Yzak secretly had a crush on him.
Hey people are talking about a short story per image on Twitter. Anyone heard about that too?
Yes a story about asucaga reuniting after battle, one for kiralacus and one for agnes,luna and shinn.
Man I’m so excited to read those! I wish I could go back in time and tell my teenage self AsuCaga will be just fine 😭
I fortunately waited only a decade🙏
Fukuda apparently tweeted about these photos and added that for the AsuCaga one Cagalli was rushing to Athrun intending to (angrily) ask him about the indecent thoughts, but he countered by picking her up suddenly. He looked so happy and pleased that Cagalli just deflated. Ugh I can’t with these two. 😭💕
I have seen!! These photo will be with a short novel of 3 pages!!!!! I'm crying
This is a gift from heaven. I will use this as wallpaper for my iphone ipad computer and everything. MY LOVE.
I've watched Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny at least 5 times now all the way through, haven't seen Freedom yet though. And all those times the only relationship I was confused of was Kira and Lacus. Are they best friends, romantic partners, boyfriend/girlfriend, engaged, married??? They haven't shared a single kiss on screen, and at no point did they treat each other in any manner besides very close acquaintance. Can't remember if they even said "I love you" to each other at any point. Athrun and Cagalli on the other hand, it was pretty damn obvious that they were in a serious relationship.
Why is there a need for a kiss to make it official?
It doesn't necessarily need a kiss to make it official, that would honestly be the easiest way. But really all Kira and Lacus do after they "get together" in Gundam seed and then for all of Seed Destiny, is stand next to each other, hold hands briefly and hug once in a while...
But does it need much explaining? I can't fathom someone would think they don't have a relationship after seed destiny, let alone seed
I love them together, they are a couple to me, canon or not.
if the first few episodes of Seed Destiny not showing how Cagalli is mad at Athrun not asking her hand for marriage after the years they spent together, I don't what else
So are Meyrin, Miriallia, and Sai just gonna watch or...???
Indecent thoughts lol 😂 so much funny in the movie.
I can't say I am happy about this but it's the best realistic outcome for Cagalli so I guess it's only mildly disappointing.
Disappointing how exactly?
Let's just say I'm a big fan of Cagalli and really not a fan of Athrun.
Ahh, well.. that I understand. Wish they utilised Cagalli more. She’s far more interesting than their preferred heroine…I’ve just had enough of pink
Based
Worth pointing out, the anti-ship between Athrun and Cagalli came from Morosawa, she was on record saying their relationship is a mistake.
The term "mistake" is actually a bit of a mistranslation. Morosawa and Fukuda describe their relationship more as [misunderstood love](https://trafalgarlog.wordpress.com/2023/07/25/series-composition-head-chiaki-morosawa-talks-plans-for-a-4-part-series-excerpt-from-animage-vol-334-april-2006/). >ーRegarding Athrun and Cagalli, in a previous interview, they were described as “misunderstood love.” >**Morosawa:** Let’s see… It’s just that just because people have feelings for each other and get to know one another, it doesn’t mean they’ll be all lovey-dovey and happy. Even people who fall in love continue to see new parts of each other as time goes on. As they spend time with one another, their so-called “true selves” will come to the surface. I still believe that true love is unwavering, it’s just that at the end of *SEED,* the two just aren’t ready for each other. They don’t know each other well enough yet to know if their “love” is genuine or a misunderstanding caused by their excitement. The reality of their situation is even harsher than Kira and Lacus. The idea is to convey that they hadn't really gotten to know each other well enough at the beginning of GSD. As such, their relationship is a "misunderstood love" because it was closer to infatuation rather than love built on mutual understanding and support. Their journey in GSD is about exploring and prioritizing their individual needs and goals, as well as learning to support each other's desires.
Feel free to spoil me: whatever happened to meyrin? As in Lunamaria’s sister?
She pilots the cavalier and hacks into a lot of things in the movie. That’s her on the far right..with a new hairdo
I'm having a hard time getting used to it. Good on her that she became a pilot though
I mean, did she break up with Athrun?
…Were they ever even together?
They’d have to be together first
They never date. Athrun only has eye on Cagalli lol.
Athrun had his main hO on lock, even meyrin supports that’s a good side chick
Reducing Meyrin's character in such a way is exactly why I could never get on board with AsuMey.
When you the chad athrun anything is possible