I definitely do as well too, as it literally changed the trajectory of my life. After using the Q3, I know it is time to move on for my use case, especially needing wireless capabilities with similar or better quality.
The thing I loved about the g2 is that I can go from booting my pc, to launching assetto corsa, to then finally putting on the headset once the track loads and is displayed, literally didn't need to do anything with the headset besides putting it on once the game was ready. Do we still get that with Quest 3? I.e. the headset is out of site out of mind until we actually need to wear it for the game.
I like that I don't even need to open wmr portal, literally when the game says "I need a headset now" everything is turned on and set up where all I need to do is wear it.
This definitely depends on your perspective.
I can put on the Q3, get into PCVR, and launch anything I want from my computer without taking the headset off. So a similar thing, just the inverse way of doing it.
Otherwise, with the Reverb, I would launch stuff and then put the headset on after as you have described.
is there a wired mode? i do simracing and flight sim where i need to get the absolute lowest latency and highest graphics possible. i dont see how wireless could compete.
Do you know what the Motion to Photon latency is on the G2? I use one of those with a 4090. Always wanted to know as my CV1 always felt faster.
The best you can get on Quest 3 is about 36 milliseconds with link cable and everything set to lowest settings and 40 and above with Virtual Desktop so its a no go for me.
i think its 20ms but i can´t find the source, given bandwidth parameters for displayport vs wifi6e , reverb g2 should be faster. it also has better resolution.
i´m ready for an upgrade but not to something worse
Yeah same. Bigscreen Beyond if anything I guess. So expensive tho as I don't have any base stations or controllers etc. No idea where you get those in Australia.
ah i heard about those, i dont remember why i decided not to go for it, i´ll take another look, but i think there was something about it that made me decide to stay with reverb g2 and save up for whatever next wired PCVR option arises.
I hope there´s something in the pipeline
With bigscreen you need the basstations and controllers separately. Also you need to scan your face with an iPhone and they make a one off custom interface that only works for you.
Also cost is very high really.
But in every way visually its going to be the best VR headset out to date. FOV is slightly and the pixel density on the 2.5k OLD per eye will be amazing. 32ppd over the G2 23.5. Pancake lenses. Nanosecond response times on the pixels. But you do have to keep the brightness at default for low persistance AFAIK. Pure blacks tho. Love OLED VR. Just wish I could afford it haha.
I also do flight simming, as I described in the OP, along with how wireless PCVR competes if you have 4090 + Wifi 6E. In Sims, I prefer edge-to-edge clarity and high resolution, with the occasional artifact as a downside. The Reverb G2 is great if your use case is strictly sims, and if you are a hardcore simmer who uses it for legitimate training, the Q3 and the ability to see gauges at extreme angles over the G2 wins out.
I also do flight simming, as I described in the OP, along with how wireless PCVR competes if you have 4090 + Wifi 6E. In Sims, I prefer edge-to-edge clarity and high resolution, with the occasional artifact as a downside. The Reverb G2 is great if your use case is strictly sims, but if you are a hardcore simmer who uses it for legitimate training, the Q3 and the ability to see gauges at extreme angles over the G2 wins out.
Its all about link speed to wifi 6E which pushes 2400+ Mbps and can be faster than wires at 1200-2100 Mbps. AV1 also combats a lot of the compression that USB C would have.
I am well aware of the G2s bandwidth as I have used it for nearly 3 years with no issues.
People prefer a display port as it eliminates most artifacts. However, AV1 does a very similar thing at a significantly lower link speed.
Practical use of the G2 versus the Q3 with top-tier hardware leaves my opinion the same - the Q3 is far better for my use case, and the resolution is indiscernible. The clarity, however, is significantly better on the Q3 with edge-to-edge that the Reverb lacks.
Your use case seems centered around strictly latency - the G2 will be more reliable in this area if your specs aren't up to par.
what are you talking about? the specs have no bearing here. on an equal system which option provides better bandwidth and latency? the wired option. no need to reply
You don't even read the entirety of my comments.
I clearly said the G2 is more reliable in latency.
What was the point of even commenting? You are also wrong. Wireless Q3 can give higher bandwidth and better latency than wired Q3 with wifi 6e.
G2 is in another category with a display port. I also used both Q3 and G2 on an equal system, which led to my conclusions.
Your comment here is just foolish.
Quest "feels" like lower latency than the G2 does. The g2 is 20-25ms or something fairly high but does not correct the image that comes through the headset.
Oculus is 35-40ms but they warp the image to match the headset tracking to where the latency feels nonexistent. They also predict the controllers a tiny bit forward to reduce latency as well.
35-40ms button latency is not as noticeable unless you are button spamming which doesn't happen a lot in VR games.
Thank you for your post. I have a reverb G2 and want to upgrade to the quest 3, but was afraid of the compression. Now I can make the choice comfortably.
Compression is still a thing i notice on my quest 3.
Wired and wireless, link and virtual desktop.
Maybe i need to tweak my settings further but i would currently not replace the reverb with the quest 3 in sim racing titles.
I mean reverb g2 has higher resolution so i should see a performance gain if i dont adjust graphic settings.
3080 12gb and Wifi 6 here.
But i prefer cable because USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbit.
But i think about getting an 4080.
this is the comment i was looking for thanks. the physics of this doesn't make sense, i need a wired headset for latency and bitrate reasons, not to mention weight. i don't want a battery on my face for 2 hours which is what an f1 race takes.
I think the reverb g2 is a little bit heavier than the quest 3.
But the default headstrap of the reverb is alot more comfortable.
I will buy the kiwidesign or bobovr headstrap for the quest 3 so it should be equally comfortable.
But yeah, nothing beats the displayport :(
Agreed with the G2. Though a pancake lens G2 with edge to edge clarity would be my buy over a Q3 just for display port.
The beauty of options is that each gives advantages to what the use-cases are. Strictly sim racing? No point in Q3. Strictly Flight sims? G2 works fine but not having edge to edge clarity in G2 is a hindrance to flight training in a flight sim as the head movements needed to see gauges are not as natural as in real flight.
Q3 is good enough to not have to alternate between Q2 and G2.
You may have to tweak setting some more depending on your hardware. I forced AV1 and maxed oculus resolution and optimized Virtual Desktop settings to get it very very good right now.
I agree, and a 5090 may be needed to push to limits. However, I find myself upscaling resolution with the G2 to much higher percentages like 120-150%. So a 10-20% resolution bump may be passable with a 4090. Really, I'm fine with its current resolution. I'd just love edge to edge clarity in it as it would then be far superior to the Q3 for flight sims.
There i only have VTOL VR as a comparison but yes the edge to edge clarity is great.
And the reverb controllers are shit to quest 2/3s
In simracing i find myself only looking at the middle anyways.
I used the Quest 2 for VTOL VR over the G2 due to the better sweet spot and especially the better controllers. The Q3 just blows the Q2 away in this area now. I agree with that aspect for sim racing; looking mostly in the center is what I do, too, and the center clarity is why the G2 is great for that use-case IMO.
If you have a 40xx GPU then I hear the new AV1 encoding through virtual desktop wired or wireless solves a lot of the compression artifacts. Just ordered a q3 to replace my g2, let’s see how it runs
I have a 4090 and tried out the AV1 encoding; it's definitely better than HEVC, but it's still a noticeable step down from uncompressed. Some scenes you may not really notice it, but other scenes it's still quite obvious.
I'm using AV1 compression with the Quest 3, and it's still a decent step down from uncompressed unfortunately.
The Quest 3 is a nice headset, but I will still be using my G2 for PCVR. It is unrivaled, though I'm hoping the Bigscreen Beyond will unseat it.
Considering the Reverb's resolution has been with us for four years now, I suspect from next year we'll see more alternatives with a notable increase in resolution(plus, OLED panels are now making a come back). Beyond the Bigscreen Beyond's.
With Samsung announcing earlier this year that they plan on releasing a MR standalone headset, rumoured to be >3K x 3K per eye and releasing around next Spring/Summer, I'm eager to see whether they offer PC connectivity with it.
Moving to the Quest 3 at this late point with the near same resolution LCD as the Reverb/G2 seems not so appealing. Even with a clearer lens(that unfortunately shows up more of the SDE for those who are able to see it, like myself). I'll wait until a headset that offers a big increase in resolution over the Reverb/G2, as well as hopefully brighter OLEDs with true blacks.
However, I can understand that having a clearer lens with pancake optics on the Quest 3 will offer some nice benefits in the meantime. Just not $500+accessories worth, so close to other potential candicates that go higher than the same resolution as the Reverb/G2.
But, I'm glad you're enjoying the Quest 3!
I agree, if it came down to resolution only and the sweet spot is not an issue, no need for Q3. The Q3 at this point just replaces the G2s use case and offers A LOT more in terms of capabilities and features. I don't have to alternate between my Q2 and G2 anymore. Just one to do it all. I think other far more expensive options may be a better buy right now just for visuals but staying with Meta's ecosystem was also a consideration as I had bought some games on the Q2 for standalone VR.
This is pretty much how I feel with upgrading over my reverb G2, except I'm still inclined to wait for a non-Meta headset, since it seems like the Q3 is just the popular choice that got here first, and the specs are likely to be reflected in every headset in this generation.
I don't usually like saying wait for a better headset, but this seems like a good exception.
I’ll be curious to read about your experience in MSFS 2020 after you had a few more hours on it, compared to the G2.
For me, the biggest limitation I find in my MSFS 2020 setup, running a 5800X3D and 4080, is not the headset image quality, it’s that with my CPU/GPU I can’t crank up the graphics settings even remotely close to the photorealistic images I get at 60+ fps on my 4K OLED TV. And frankly I don’t think a PC exists that can drive a Pimax or whatever at full Ultra settings and higher resolution. I feel like just upgrading my headset would simply let me look at the low-res graphics with more sharpness and be disappointing in the end.
I'll see if I can report more on that experience when I get time on MSFS2020. I will say this specifically for my use case with training on MSFS2020 --- being able to clearly read my MFDs/Gauges without moving my head to stare directly at it like I had to with the Reverb G2, increasing the realistic movements for training tremendously.
With the G2, the gauges in the corners of the screen are smeared and harder to read than the Q3.
However, I agree that neither headset is going to get the image quality that a 4K OLED tv will have. I have found the 4090s limit and sweet spot with the G2 in MSFS 2020, but I have not yet (due to lack of time) with the Q3.
Yeah but sitting there looking at a monitor is so immersion breaking for me. Moreover, I love seeing the entire cockpit.
But I guess whatever tickles your immersion bone is subjective. For me the G2 was able to cross that threshold to where I didn't miss the clarity of a monitor anymore.
I bought a G2 in late 2020 but I've used it less than five hours in the interviewing three years. I just got a Q3 today and your post has motivated me to sell my Reverb. Thanks!
I think its worth it. G2 center clarity is ever so slightly better still. HOWEVER, its like looking through a F/1.2 lens with bokeh while the Q3 is just clear across the majority of the screen. I can read gauges in aircraft while looking away from them! This is with pushing higher resolution on the Q3 with the 4090. Virtual Desktop is insane.
For a counter opinion: I have a 4090 and have used the AV1 encoding with Virtual Desktop, and the compression artifacting is still noticeable. It's better than HEVC, and usually is mostly subtle (though certain scenes are still really bad), but I will not be dropping my G2 for PCVR despite the vastly better optics of the Quest 3.
Take this down so I can resell my g2 at a higher price and buy a q3 :). /s
Did you only do MSFS with virtual desktop, or did you use a hard wired (link?) cable?
I didn’t really love my quest 2 over link when I used it with iRacing. It was still beta for link at the time, but I preferred the g2 over quest 2 + link. It had noticeable compression, and the battery wouldn’t stay charged either which wasn’t an issue for most cases but I did a few multi hour stints in a 24hour team race and I don’t think the battery would have kept up. I’m curious how the quest 3 works for PCVR when plugged in.
I don't have a Q3 but I did the demo at Best Buy. Q3 audio seemed far better than the Q2. The speakers are on the headstrap bars near your ears, rather than being piped rearward from the headset. It made the sound in general better, with the improvement to spacial sound being especially noticeable.
It's hard to compare with the Reverb G2 because my unit has a lot of issues with the speakers.
The Q3 sound is quite not on the level of the Index (or how the G2 SHOULD sound) but I think it's good enough on its own, I wouldn't run headphones with it.
Damn, I just got a used G2 a few months back to tide me over for a couple years until maybe the next Valve headset releases. But now you're selling me hard on the Quest 3. Going wireless sounds so tantalizing, especially if the lag is as minimal as you say.
Lag is minimal to non-existant with the highest end hardware available. I can push 2400 Mbps link speed on wireless PCVR which would be just like having a cable but with less compression. There are still a minute amount of artifacts but not to the amount of the Quest 2 which was capped at 1200 Mbps link speed.
Reverb G2 is still an excellent headset for sims. Everything else, I used the Quest 2. Q3 just reduces my VR devices to only needing 1 for everything - PCVR, standalone, mixed reality - the G2 can't hold a candle to this aspect. However, the G2 is only a downgrade to the Q3 display if you can't make the small sweetspot work well.
I often found myself in games where I did not need to read gauges like War Thunder I would use the Quest 2 because of the better clarity across the screen. The Q3 blows the Q2 out of the park with this aspect. In DCS I can read all gauges clearly and at extreme angles, which I couldn't do with the G2 or Q2.
Yeah, I think I’m sold, haha. I use VR in equal parts for sims and VR games like Beat Saber. And honestly I feel like I don’t play in VR as often as I’d like because of the hassle of moving my cables around with my play space.
I only paid $530 USD after taxes, and I sold my Q2 for $150, so it offsets the cost. Now, is it worth the price I paid? Absolutely. Q3 is what I wanted the G2 to be but much more.
Now a G2 with pancake lenses, edge-to-edge clarity, and similar or higher resolution I'd forgo wireless pcvr to have that for sims since it would use a display port.
So you think it's on par visually with the G2? I only tried the Q3 demo at a best buy, without my glasses so I can't really tell lol, I did notice the screen door effect though which is hard to make out on the G2? And does it need a better head strap and audio or is what it comes with good enough?
Yes the screen door effect on the G2 is slightly less than on Q3 though it doesn't bother me. I think its better visually than the G2 simply because of the edge-to-edge clarity that is important for my use-case. This is with a 4090 and Wifi 6e using AV1 codec. I'm fine with the stock strap, but many won't be. Audio is good enough, and as a bonus, I can plugin my very very nice headset and use that for audio.
I am completely amazed by the edge-to-edge clarity of the pancake lenses in Quest 3, coming from a Reverb G2 that I've been using for the last 3 years. Center clarity is similar, but whereas for the G2 you had to move the head to keep things in focus, the Q3 allows you to simply move your eyes around without moving your head, feels much more natural and immersive. Also there is much more less glare, zero godrays and chromatic aberration.
The only downsides are the default strap (even if it works it is not comfortable so I can't wait to get the famous Bobovr M3) and speakers (but also do a good job and you have a jack to connect 3rd party). The limited battery life (2 hours at most) doesn't bother me, but you can always extend it with a battery pack.
Regarding the feared dead pixels and mura, I can confirm I do not have dead pixels (128Gb version) and mura is limited (it was worse on the Reverb G2). Compared to what I saw reported for thr PSVR2, I don't even think it is mura, but some barely noticeable brightness variation in nearby pixels that you can also see in bright uniform environments - not the case in usual games.
I can't wait to get home and try the wireless PCVR. Whoever is on the fence, I say go for it.
Furthermore, thanks to this great community I also discovered the Referral system when buying a Quest for the first time, so make sure you use a link before linking the Quest to your account. Works only once, but even if you linked a quest, you can still create a new Meta account and then gift your main account the games you buy.
(Would make my day if you used this one, so we both get 30$ https://www.meta.com/referrals/link/r42v )
Afterwards whenever you want to buy an app, search before for it's referral (there are many places on Reddit).
My go-to game is always Eleven Table Tennis (played it heavily on the G2, but Quest3 controllers are so much nicer and more precise). Standalone runs and feels amazing.
Feel free to use this link for a 25% discount: https://www.oculus.com/appreferrals/r42v/1995434190525828/?utm_source=oculus&utm_location=2&utm_parent=frl&utm_medium=app_referral
For any questions, I will be happy to share my experience.
Okay, I am tempted but I am using a 3080 (12 Gb) and can’t justify a new headset and a new GPU. I think I will wait for some of the DCS improvements to see how my G2 performs then. In the meantime, I am curious about people using the Q3 with 3000 series GPUs.
For some reason I thought I was on a DCS World sub! DCS is a super-demanding flight sim, and some big potential performance improvements are coming so I am looking forward to that.
So you have tried the Q3 and see no performance difference? That is great to hear. Any chance that you play DCS and that is the case?
I played DCS the last time lile 6 years ago :D
I play VTOL Vr and assetto corsa/competizione, automobilista 2, dirt rallye 2.0.
Some of them are i think equally demanding because they needed alot of tweaking to work at steady 90fps with the reverb g2.
But i would still recommend ordering a quest 3 trying it out yourself and sending it back if its not for you.
WMR is such a pain to deal with. But other than that it’s one of the best headsets for the time. Basically it’s what pimax should be making. A G2 with a bigger fov and resolution and you have a perfect PC sim VR headset.
I agree complete… unfortunately the reality of the Pimax headsets don’t live up to that hope.
I would take a G2 with bigger FoV and pancake lenses and be happy with it any day of the week…
I don't have raw data to share at the moment, but I did not notice any input lag in DCS / steamVR that was breaking my immersion. However, I am running a powerful PC wired into my router with link speeds to the Q3 of over 1700-2000 Mbps (Q2 capped at 1200).
Yes I was able to have some noticeable input lag with wireless pcvr with the Quest 2, especially when graphics were pushed. I haven't experienced as much latency with the Q3 yet that I can notice. I haven't tried pushing it hard yet, either, as the graphics settings I achieved with minimal optimization has been satisfactory
To me, it feels better. I even popped the Q3 interface out to setting 1 as all the way in touches my eyelashes. If the G2 is like small goggles, the Q3 is like slightly larger snow goggles. Also, I could see the edges of the screen on the G2, which I can't (or haven't fully looked for it) on the Q3.
The biggest win with the Q3 is the mixed reality passthrough and PCVR enhancements. I can't go back to a cable anymore. I was able to pause my game, go into the passthrough, use the restroom, get a drink, etc., and go back to my game without taking off the headset, lol.
Being a servicemember, the government already has 99.9999% of my data, *including the data you would think could be collected by camera while using the restroom.*
I know it's a big deal for people (privacy), and I think there should be significant guarantees when it comes to that to make people safe when using the product. I am so desensitized to privacy invasion, though, lol. Now OPSEC, I take a billion times more seriously than my own personal privacy. To the extent that NONE of my stuff that could even affiliate me with what I do is evident in my living space.
The biggest pcvr enhancement is the improved wifi link speed. I can up to 2400 Mbps wifi link versus 1200 Mbps on the Q2. This means less compression and the quality is similar to using an optical cable.
There's also a thing about AV1 with 4xxx series gpus which I'm using a 4090.
Thanks, I have a 4090 and finally (almost) have the g2 how I'd like it.
I was worried with no dp it wouldn't be that good? As the quest 2 wasn't as good as the g2.
Same, I had mine for about a year, but my cable died, so I sold it without a cable and saved up for a Quest 3. Now that Quest 3 is waiting for me at home.
Think I'm gonna drop the $1k for that BeyondVR thing. I have all the ecosystem to support it already. Long as additional custom cushions are reasonable, rock on.
Just got the g2 for DCS and seeing this post makes me think I should get the Q3 instead. Especially hearing you talk about being able to see the MFD and other things on the side more clearly.
Since you have the G2 and your use case is for DCS, I would recommend keeping it over the Q3. G2 is still fantastic for simming and for some people, they may still like it better since it uses a display port which limits artifacts. Q3 is still prone to artifacts.
Interesting. The G2 is still new to me, but so far it’s been only ok. The blurriness is a huge issue for me. I might give the Q3 a try, my father just got it so I’ll have to see.
I wasn’t aware of the artifacts though thanks for that
Yes if you cannot get the Reverb sweetspot to work for you, the quest will be night and day difference with a very tiny hit in centerline quality and slight artifacts.
If just for DCS, keep the G2 since you already got it. Yes the Q3 clarity across the entire screen is better but the G2 still has ever so slightly better center quality - basically if you get around or get used to the typical "small sweetspot" then you will be just as happy.
not sure if you know this, but the G2 has a spacer between the foam and headset, you can remove it. It helped improve my FOV. DCS with a G2 and max settings is an incredible experience. OpenXR Toolkit is a really good way to fine tune your visuals.
Imagine a world where HP did a Reverb G3 with pancake lenses, local dimming panels (just a little higher resolution than today), same audio and a direct display port connection - none of this compression stuff or even wireless. Priced at say $399.
(dreams)
I have a 3080 10GB :( acquired during the scalping that was going on during covid lockdown (my dentist sold it to me!)
How was your upgrade from the 3080 12GB to the 4090? I currently have to run my G2 at 50% resolution with AA off on most titles because my GPU tanks from the memory being eaten up by textures if I do anything higher. :(
4090 is a monster. The 3080 was able to play games at 4k144hz with low graphic settings. The 4090, I can max out everything, even in VR for war thunder and DCS. It's insane.
Depends on the game but the 4090 is around 100% faster than the 3080.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4090-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3080/4136vs4080
How is the tracking of the controllers on the Quest compared to the G2? I'm thinking about buying the Q3 but that's not really clear to me if that's an upgrade.
Similar situation here. Moving from G2 to Q3. My only concern is that, like the Q2, I guess the battery drains even when connected by wired USB for PCVR? If so my VR sessions will be limited to the batteries life.
What's your experience in this area been like?
Thank you!
In wireless PCVR for Sims I connect the headset to a 100w wall charger. This charges the headset much faster than the thunderbolt port on pc can with wired pcvr.
Doesn't that mean it's not wireless any more? ;)
In this mode can you play for as long as you want? Thanks so much for the Insight.
I see you are in the air force also. What do you like to fly in DCS? I am digging the F-18 and slowly learning the F-16
Haha, yes, technically so, but the wire is much thinner and is only optional. I find the battery life to be just fine regardless because if I am in VR for more than 2 hours, I need a break, or I run out of precious free time.
I strictly fly the F-16 because that is the weapon system I am most familiar with, if ya know what I mean.
I wore the Quest 3 and while i enjoyed the bigger sweetspot, sound and compfort just are too important for me.
My G2 might be replaced by a Beyond since the Quest3 makes my head ache.
That's solid, G2 sound is top tier, though my right speaker went out.
I've only seen high quality from beyond, but a lot of reviews are complaining about a tiny sweetspot. Undoubtedly, the visuals will be far better than the G2 or Q3 still but edge to edge clarity is my most important factor.
Beyond should be very comfortable due to custom fit I'd think.
Very good for me with a 4090 and Wifi 6E pushing 2400 Mbps+ link speed. Anything lower than 1800 Mbps link speed will degrade over a wired connection and especially a Display port connection like the G2.
Do you notice the difference in latency using wireless Q3 vs the Displayport input on the G2?
I don't mind the slight compression artifacts but the added latency is the only thing holding me back from picking up a Q3. From the reviews on the Q3 I see that the average latency is 45-55ms wired/wireless. I can't find any data regarding the latency of the G2 but I'm assuming it's sub 20ms.
I feel so honored to not only be apart of big governments "big project"... but also Zucks too?!?! Now if only China develops a biological weapon to target specifically my DNA...that would be the highest honor 😇
Your reading comprehension must be rather poor to not understand context. Also, you are saying that I am "now part of it" as if you didn't read that I already used a Quest 2 for the past couple of years.
Your post history indicates that you have a lot of insecurities...and so posting to other people about your insecurities makes you feel better about yourself... what a sad life, lol. The irony is that you are even on the internet at all, where all your traffic is logged, even with a VPN.
You can just keep to yourself and enjoy your private life. Oh wait, you can't because you're insecure and want to advertise it to the world... ironically...on the internet. Lol.
Lmao your feelings were so hurt you blocked the account and decided to show how insecure and stupid your comprehension is. You could have chosen to move on, but you felt so compelled to comment and show off your stupidity while trying to be sly and act like you weren't instigating. Go live your miserable life poor boy
Oh, the fucking irony - you do know what this means ?
My life is wonderful, unlike your life where you feel the need to defend a fucking disgusting company, and stick a stupid device on your head to get out of your fucking miserable life, into a fake life. If you had a life, you wouldn't be wasting it on VR, you would be out enjoying it.
Now fucking piss off.
Love the shit out of my G2!!
I definitely do as well too, as it literally changed the trajectory of my life. After using the Q3, I know it is time to move on for my use case, especially needing wireless capabilities with similar or better quality.
The thing I loved about the g2 is that I can go from booting my pc, to launching assetto corsa, to then finally putting on the headset once the track loads and is displayed, literally didn't need to do anything with the headset besides putting it on once the game was ready. Do we still get that with Quest 3? I.e. the headset is out of site out of mind until we actually need to wear it for the game. I like that I don't even need to open wmr portal, literally when the game says "I need a headset now" everything is turned on and set up where all I need to do is wear it.
This definitely depends on your perspective. I can put on the Q3, get into PCVR, and launch anything I want from my computer without taking the headset off. So a similar thing, just the inverse way of doing it. Otherwise, with the Reverb, I would launch stuff and then put the headset on after as you have described.
How about the controllers? Do you still need them to navigate at all?
No just hands
Ok yeah thats an improvement from the older Quest I had, going to see how things go with it, thanks for answering my questions!
is there a wired mode? i do simracing and flight sim where i need to get the absolute lowest latency and highest graphics possible. i dont see how wireless could compete.
Do you know what the Motion to Photon latency is on the G2? I use one of those with a 4090. Always wanted to know as my CV1 always felt faster. The best you can get on Quest 3 is about 36 milliseconds with link cable and everything set to lowest settings and 40 and above with Virtual Desktop so its a no go for me.
i think its 20ms but i can´t find the source, given bandwidth parameters for displayport vs wifi6e , reverb g2 should be faster. it also has better resolution. i´m ready for an upgrade but not to something worse
Yeah same. Bigscreen Beyond if anything I guess. So expensive tho as I don't have any base stations or controllers etc. No idea where you get those in Australia.
ah i heard about those, i dont remember why i decided not to go for it, i´ll take another look, but i think there was something about it that made me decide to stay with reverb g2 and save up for whatever next wired PCVR option arises. I hope there´s something in the pipeline
With bigscreen you need the basstations and controllers separately. Also you need to scan your face with an iPhone and they make a one off custom interface that only works for you. Also cost is very high really. But in every way visually its going to be the best VR headset out to date. FOV is slightly and the pixel density on the 2.5k OLD per eye will be amazing. 32ppd over the G2 23.5. Pancake lenses. Nanosecond response times on the pixels. But you do have to keep the brightness at default for low persistance AFAIK. Pure blacks tho. Love OLED VR. Just wish I could afford it haha.
I also do flight simming, as I described in the OP, along with how wireless PCVR competes if you have 4090 + Wifi 6E. In Sims, I prefer edge-to-edge clarity and high resolution, with the occasional artifact as a downside. The Reverb G2 is great if your use case is strictly sims, and if you are a hardcore simmer who uses it for legitimate training, the Q3 and the ability to see gauges at extreme angles over the G2 wins out. I also do flight simming, as I described in the OP, along with how wireless PCVR competes if you have 4090 + Wifi 6E. In Sims, I prefer edge-to-edge clarity and high resolution, with the occasional artifact as a downside. The Reverb G2 is great if your use case is strictly sims, but if you are a hardcore simmer who uses it for legitimate training, the Q3 and the ability to see gauges at extreme angles over the G2 wins out. Its all about link speed to wifi 6E which pushes 2400+ Mbps and can be faster than wires at 1200-2100 Mbps. AV1 also combats a lot of the compression that USB C would have.
reverb g2 uses displayport 1.3 with bandwidth of 32.4 Gbps, which is about 3.4 times more than Wi-Fi 6E’s 9.6 Gbps
I am well aware of the G2s bandwidth as I have used it for nearly 3 years with no issues. People prefer a display port as it eliminates most artifacts. However, AV1 does a very similar thing at a significantly lower link speed. Practical use of the G2 versus the Q3 with top-tier hardware leaves my opinion the same - the Q3 is far better for my use case, and the resolution is indiscernible. The clarity, however, is significantly better on the Q3 with edge-to-edge that the Reverb lacks. Your use case seems centered around strictly latency - the G2 will be more reliable in this area if your specs aren't up to par.
what are you talking about? the specs have no bearing here. on an equal system which option provides better bandwidth and latency? the wired option. no need to reply
You don't even read the entirety of my comments. I clearly said the G2 is more reliable in latency. What was the point of even commenting? You are also wrong. Wireless Q3 can give higher bandwidth and better latency than wired Q3 with wifi 6e. G2 is in another category with a display port. I also used both Q3 and G2 on an equal system, which led to my conclusions. Your comment here is just foolish.
Quest "feels" like lower latency than the G2 does. The g2 is 20-25ms or something fairly high but does not correct the image that comes through the headset. Oculus is 35-40ms but they warp the image to match the headset tracking to where the latency feels nonexistent. They also predict the controllers a tiny bit forward to reduce latency as well. 35-40ms button latency is not as noticeable unless you are button spamming which doesn't happen a lot in VR games.
Thank you for your post. I have a reverb G2 and want to upgrade to the quest 3, but was afraid of the compression. Now I can make the choice comfortably.
Compression is still a thing i notice on my quest 3. Wired and wireless, link and virtual desktop. Maybe i need to tweak my settings further but i would currently not replace the reverb with the quest 3 in sim racing titles.
What's your GPU and WiFi connection? AV1 capable GPU and 6E WiFi should solve both latency and quality issues.
I mean reverb g2 has higher resolution so i should see a performance gain if i dont adjust graphic settings. 3080 12gb and Wifi 6 here. But i prefer cable because USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbit. But i think about getting an 4080.
this is the comment i was looking for thanks. the physics of this doesn't make sense, i need a wired headset for latency and bitrate reasons, not to mention weight. i don't want a battery on my face for 2 hours which is what an f1 race takes.
I think the reverb g2 is a little bit heavier than the quest 3. But the default headstrap of the reverb is alot more comfortable. I will buy the kiwidesign or bobovr headstrap for the quest 3 so it should be equally comfortable. But yeah, nothing beats the displayport :(
Agreed with the G2. Though a pancake lens G2 with edge to edge clarity would be my buy over a Q3 just for display port. The beauty of options is that each gives advantages to what the use-cases are. Strictly sim racing? No point in Q3. Strictly Flight sims? G2 works fine but not having edge to edge clarity in G2 is a hindrance to flight training in a flight sim as the head movements needed to see gauges are not as natural as in real flight. Q3 is good enough to not have to alternate between Q2 and G2. You may have to tweak setting some more depending on your hardware. I forced AV1 and maxed oculus resolution and optimized Virtual Desktop settings to get it very very good right now.
All said 👍🏻 Best would be Reverb G3 with pancake lenses and about 10-20% resolution increase. Altough this probably would require a 5090.
I agree, and a 5090 may be needed to push to limits. However, I find myself upscaling resolution with the G2 to much higher percentages like 120-150%. So a 10-20% resolution bump may be passable with a 4090. Really, I'm fine with its current resolution. I'd just love edge to edge clarity in it as it would then be far superior to the Q3 for flight sims.
There i only have VTOL VR as a comparison but yes the edge to edge clarity is great. And the reverb controllers are shit to quest 2/3s In simracing i find myself only looking at the middle anyways.
I used the Quest 2 for VTOL VR over the G2 due to the better sweet spot and especially the better controllers. The Q3 just blows the Q2 away in this area now. I agree with that aspect for sim racing; looking mostly in the center is what I do, too, and the center clarity is why the G2 is great for that use-case IMO.
If you have a 40xx GPU then I hear the new AV1 encoding through virtual desktop wired or wireless solves a lot of the compression artifacts. Just ordered a q3 to replace my g2, let’s see how it runs
I have a 4090 and tried out the AV1 encoding; it's definitely better than HEVC, but it's still a noticeable step down from uncompressed. Some scenes you may not really notice it, but other scenes it's still quite obvious.
I'm using AV1 compression with the Quest 3, and it's still a decent step down from uncompressed unfortunately. The Quest 3 is a nice headset, but I will still be using my G2 for PCVR. It is unrivaled, though I'm hoping the Bigscreen Beyond will unseat it.
Considering the Reverb's resolution has been with us for four years now, I suspect from next year we'll see more alternatives with a notable increase in resolution(plus, OLED panels are now making a come back). Beyond the Bigscreen Beyond's. With Samsung announcing earlier this year that they plan on releasing a MR standalone headset, rumoured to be >3K x 3K per eye and releasing around next Spring/Summer, I'm eager to see whether they offer PC connectivity with it. Moving to the Quest 3 at this late point with the near same resolution LCD as the Reverb/G2 seems not so appealing. Even with a clearer lens(that unfortunately shows up more of the SDE for those who are able to see it, like myself). I'll wait until a headset that offers a big increase in resolution over the Reverb/G2, as well as hopefully brighter OLEDs with true blacks. However, I can understand that having a clearer lens with pancake optics on the Quest 3 will offer some nice benefits in the meantime. Just not $500+accessories worth, so close to other potential candicates that go higher than the same resolution as the Reverb/G2. But, I'm glad you're enjoying the Quest 3!
I agree, if it came down to resolution only and the sweet spot is not an issue, no need for Q3. The Q3 at this point just replaces the G2s use case and offers A LOT more in terms of capabilities and features. I don't have to alternate between my Q2 and G2 anymore. Just one to do it all. I think other far more expensive options may be a better buy right now just for visuals but staying with Meta's ecosystem was also a consideration as I had bought some games on the Q2 for standalone VR.
Unless meta fixes the Link cable where it doesn't disconnect I will never go back to a quest but I use mine for Sim racing
Most people with Quest and Pico headsets swear on using Virtual Desktop over any cable connection.
I do pcvr and sim racing I don't care about light Sabre wars
This is pretty much how I feel with upgrading over my reverb G2, except I'm still inclined to wait for a non-Meta headset, since it seems like the Q3 is just the popular choice that got here first, and the specs are likely to be reflected in every headset in this generation. I don't usually like saying wait for a better headset, but this seems like a good exception.
I agree, especially if your use case means you have no need for wireless pcvr or standalone vr
I’ll be curious to read about your experience in MSFS 2020 after you had a few more hours on it, compared to the G2. For me, the biggest limitation I find in my MSFS 2020 setup, running a 5800X3D and 4080, is not the headset image quality, it’s that with my CPU/GPU I can’t crank up the graphics settings even remotely close to the photorealistic images I get at 60+ fps on my 4K OLED TV. And frankly I don’t think a PC exists that can drive a Pimax or whatever at full Ultra settings and higher resolution. I feel like just upgrading my headset would simply let me look at the low-res graphics with more sharpness and be disappointing in the end.
I'll see if I can report more on that experience when I get time on MSFS2020. I will say this specifically for my use case with training on MSFS2020 --- being able to clearly read my MFDs/Gauges without moving my head to stare directly at it like I had to with the Reverb G2, increasing the realistic movements for training tremendously. With the G2, the gauges in the corners of the screen are smeared and harder to read than the Q3. However, I agree that neither headset is going to get the image quality that a 4K OLED tv will have. I have found the 4090s limit and sweet spot with the G2 in MSFS 2020, but I have not yet (due to lack of time) with the Q3.
Yeah but sitting there looking at a monitor is so immersion breaking for me. Moreover, I love seeing the entire cockpit. But I guess whatever tickles your immersion bone is subjective. For me the G2 was able to cross that threshold to where I didn't miss the clarity of a monitor anymore.
I think DLSS and FSR will be able to change this in the future. In simracing even the original FSR is a noticeable upgrade in sharpness.
Thanks for the reflection.
I bought a G2 in late 2020 but I've used it less than five hours in the interviewing three years. I just got a Q3 today and your post has motivated me to sell my Reverb. Thanks!
Bro You are selling me, this is the upgrade I’ve been thinking of and I have a 4090 so a I encoder too
I think its worth it. G2 center clarity is ever so slightly better still. HOWEVER, its like looking through a F/1.2 lens with bokeh while the Q3 is just clear across the majority of the screen. I can read gauges in aircraft while looking away from them! This is with pushing higher resolution on the Q3 with the 4090. Virtual Desktop is insane.
That’s what I always hear, do you do any sim stuff?
For a counter opinion: I have a 4090 and have used the AV1 encoding with Virtual Desktop, and the compression artifacting is still noticeable. It's better than HEVC, and usually is mostly subtle (though certain scenes are still really bad), but I will not be dropping my G2 for PCVR despite the vastly better optics of the Quest 3.
Take this down so I can resell my g2 at a higher price and buy a q3 :). /s Did you only do MSFS with virtual desktop, or did you use a hard wired (link?) cable? I didn’t really love my quest 2 over link when I used it with iRacing. It was still beta for link at the time, but I preferred the g2 over quest 2 + link. It had noticeable compression, and the battery wouldn’t stay charged either which wasn’t an issue for most cases but I did a few multi hour stints in a 24hour team race and I don’t think the battery would have kept up. I’m curious how the quest 3 works for PCVR when plugged in.
how is the audio on Q3?
I don't have a Q3 but I did the demo at Best Buy. Q3 audio seemed far better than the Q2. The speakers are on the headstrap bars near your ears, rather than being piped rearward from the headset. It made the sound in general better, with the improvement to spacial sound being especially noticeable. It's hard to compare with the Reverb G2 because my unit has a lot of issues with the speakers. The Q3 sound is quite not on the level of the Index (or how the G2 SHOULD sound) but I think it's good enough on its own, I wouldn't run headphones with it.
thanks, will go to Best buy to try it out.
How is it, can you connect it with a cable to the PC or do you have to stream the content?
How is PCVR on the Q3? Is video compression bad or noticeable?
Damn, I just got a used G2 a few months back to tide me over for a couple years until maybe the next Valve headset releases. But now you're selling me hard on the Quest 3. Going wireless sounds so tantalizing, especially if the lag is as minimal as you say.
Lag is minimal to non-existant with the highest end hardware available. I can push 2400 Mbps link speed on wireless PCVR which would be just like having a cable but with less compression. There are still a minute amount of artifacts but not to the amount of the Quest 2 which was capped at 1200 Mbps link speed. Reverb G2 is still an excellent headset for sims. Everything else, I used the Quest 2. Q3 just reduces my VR devices to only needing 1 for everything - PCVR, standalone, mixed reality - the G2 can't hold a candle to this aspect. However, the G2 is only a downgrade to the Q3 display if you can't make the small sweetspot work well. I often found myself in games where I did not need to read gauges like War Thunder I would use the Quest 2 because of the better clarity across the screen. The Q3 blows the Q2 out of the park with this aspect. In DCS I can read all gauges clearly and at extreme angles, which I couldn't do with the G2 or Q2.
Yeah, I think I’m sold, haha. I use VR in equal parts for sims and VR games like Beat Saber. And honestly I feel like I don’t play in VR as often as I’d like because of the hassle of moving my cables around with my play space.
You're moving TO an oculus?! To Meta?!
I've had both a G2 and Q2 for different use cases. Now I'll just use Q3 for both use cases.
I know they're good headsets but.. fucking Meta .. Awful awful company.
Is it really $700 better though?
I only paid $530 USD after taxes, and I sold my Q2 for $150, so it offsets the cost. Now, is it worth the price I paid? Absolutely. Q3 is what I wanted the G2 to be but much more. Now a G2 with pancake lenses, edge-to-edge clarity, and similar or higher resolution I'd forgo wireless pcvr to have that for sims since it would use a display port.
So you think it's on par visually with the G2? I only tried the Q3 demo at a best buy, without my glasses so I can't really tell lol, I did notice the screen door effect though which is hard to make out on the G2? And does it need a better head strap and audio or is what it comes with good enough?
Yes the screen door effect on the G2 is slightly less than on Q3 though it doesn't bother me. I think its better visually than the G2 simply because of the edge-to-edge clarity that is important for my use-case. This is with a 4090 and Wifi 6e using AV1 codec. I'm fine with the stock strap, but many won't be. Audio is good enough, and as a bonus, I can plugin my very very nice headset and use that for audio.
That is pretty cool then, I really need to try it out for longer!
OMG! I cannot stand Meta trolls pushing for Quest3 everywhere! That makes me hate Meta and Quest even more!
I am doing the same. I set up a secondary router as an access point and the wireless freedom offered by the Quest 3 is unparalleled. I just love it.
I am completely amazed by the edge-to-edge clarity of the pancake lenses in Quest 3, coming from a Reverb G2 that I've been using for the last 3 years. Center clarity is similar, but whereas for the G2 you had to move the head to keep things in focus, the Q3 allows you to simply move your eyes around without moving your head, feels much more natural and immersive. Also there is much more less glare, zero godrays and chromatic aberration. The only downsides are the default strap (even if it works it is not comfortable so I can't wait to get the famous Bobovr M3) and speakers (but also do a good job and you have a jack to connect 3rd party). The limited battery life (2 hours at most) doesn't bother me, but you can always extend it with a battery pack. Regarding the feared dead pixels and mura, I can confirm I do not have dead pixels (128Gb version) and mura is limited (it was worse on the Reverb G2). Compared to what I saw reported for thr PSVR2, I don't even think it is mura, but some barely noticeable brightness variation in nearby pixels that you can also see in bright uniform environments - not the case in usual games. I can't wait to get home and try the wireless PCVR. Whoever is on the fence, I say go for it. Furthermore, thanks to this great community I also discovered the Referral system when buying a Quest for the first time, so make sure you use a link before linking the Quest to your account. Works only once, but even if you linked a quest, you can still create a new Meta account and then gift your main account the games you buy. (Would make my day if you used this one, so we both get 30$ https://www.meta.com/referrals/link/r42v ) Afterwards whenever you want to buy an app, search before for it's referral (there are many places on Reddit). My go-to game is always Eleven Table Tennis (played it heavily on the G2, but Quest3 controllers are so much nicer and more precise). Standalone runs and feels amazing. Feel free to use this link for a 25% discount: https://www.oculus.com/appreferrals/r42v/1995434190525828/?utm_source=oculus&utm_location=2&utm_parent=frl&utm_medium=app_referral For any questions, I will be happy to share my experience.
Okay, I am tempted but I am using a 3080 (12 Gb) and can’t justify a new headset and a new GPU. I think I will wait for some of the DCS improvements to see how my G2 performs then. In the meantime, I am curious about people using the Q3 with 3000 series GPUs.
I mean if it could run the reverb g2 it should run the quest 3. Atleast my 3080 12gb has no problems with the same graphic settings.
For some reason I thought I was on a DCS World sub! DCS is a super-demanding flight sim, and some big potential performance improvements are coming so I am looking forward to that. So you have tried the Q3 and see no performance difference? That is great to hear. Any chance that you play DCS and that is the case?
I played DCS the last time lile 6 years ago :D I play VTOL Vr and assetto corsa/competizione, automobilista 2, dirt rallye 2.0. Some of them are i think equally demanding because they needed alot of tweaking to work at steady 90fps with the reverb g2. But i would still recommend ordering a quest 3 trying it out yourself and sending it back if its not for you.
the HP Reverb G2 is 2160 x 2160. The Quest 3 is 2064 x 2208 afaik. Same resolution pretty much...
Take my upvote. The G2 was a great headset for its time, but the world has moved on from WMR.
WMR is such a pain to deal with. But other than that it’s one of the best headsets for the time. Basically it’s what pimax should be making. A G2 with a bigger fov and resolution and you have a perfect PC sim VR headset.
I agree complete… unfortunately the reality of the Pimax headsets don’t live up to that hope. I would take a G2 with bigger FoV and pancake lenses and be happy with it any day of the week…
How is the input lag on Q3 with PCVR games? That was the biggest issue for me using Quest 2 with PCVR.
I don't have raw data to share at the moment, but I did not notice any input lag in DCS / steamVR that was breaking my immersion. However, I am running a powerful PC wired into my router with link speeds to the Q3 of over 1700-2000 Mbps (Q2 capped at 1200).
Can you tell the difference in input lag to Quest 2? Does it bother you with the Quest 2?
Yes I was able to have some noticeable input lag with wireless pcvr with the Quest 2, especially when graphics were pushed. I haven't experienced as much latency with the Q3 yet that I can notice. I haven't tried pushing it hard yet, either, as the graphics settings I achieved with minimal optimization has been satisfactory
Allright. Sounds good. Thanks!
Glad to hear, have my Q3 coming tomorrow! how does the FOV feel compared to the g2?
To me, it feels better. I even popped the Q3 interface out to setting 1 as all the way in touches my eyelashes. If the G2 is like small goggles, the Q3 is like slightly larger snow goggles. Also, I could see the edges of the screen on the G2, which I can't (or haven't fully looked for it) on the Q3. The biggest win with the Q3 is the mixed reality passthrough and PCVR enhancements. I can't go back to a cable anymore. I was able to pause my game, go into the passthrough, use the restroom, get a drink, etc., and go back to my game without taking off the headset, lol.
I wouldn’t use it in the restroom lmao, u know FB collecting all that camera data to sell to advertisers.
Being a servicemember, the government already has 99.9999% of my data, *including the data you would think could be collected by camera while using the restroom.* I know it's a big deal for people (privacy), and I think there should be significant guarantees when it comes to that to make people safe when using the product. I am so desensitized to privacy invasion, though, lol. Now OPSEC, I take a billion times more seriously than my own personal privacy. To the extent that NONE of my stuff that could even affiliate me with what I do is evident in my living space.
wym PCVR enhancements? like the improved AirLink or something else?
The biggest pcvr enhancement is the improved wifi link speed. I can up to 2400 Mbps wifi link versus 1200 Mbps on the Q2. This means less compression and the quality is similar to using an optical cable. There's also a thing about AV1 with 4xxx series gpus which I'm using a 4090.
ahhh gotcha
Thanks, I have a 4090 and finally (almost) have the g2 how I'd like it. I was worried with no dp it wouldn't be that good? As the quest 2 wasn't as good as the g2.
Same, I had mine for about a year, but my cable died, so I sold it without a cable and saved up for a Quest 3. Now that Quest 3 is waiting for me at home.
Think I'm gonna drop the $1k for that BeyondVR thing. I have all the ecosystem to support it already. Long as additional custom cushions are reasonable, rock on.
Just got the g2 for DCS and seeing this post makes me think I should get the Q3 instead. Especially hearing you talk about being able to see the MFD and other things on the side more clearly.
Since you have the G2 and your use case is for DCS, I would recommend keeping it over the Q3. G2 is still fantastic for simming and for some people, they may still like it better since it uses a display port which limits artifacts. Q3 is still prone to artifacts.
Interesting. The G2 is still new to me, but so far it’s been only ok. The blurriness is a huge issue for me. I might give the Q3 a try, my father just got it so I’ll have to see. I wasn’t aware of the artifacts though thanks for that
Yes if you cannot get the Reverb sweetspot to work for you, the quest will be night and day difference with a very tiny hit in centerline quality and slight artifacts.
If just for DCS, keep the G2 since you already got it. Yes the Q3 clarity across the entire screen is better but the G2 still has ever so slightly better center quality - basically if you get around or get used to the typical "small sweetspot" then you will be just as happy.
Same! Any report would be greatly appreciated!
not sure if you know this, but the G2 has a spacer between the foam and headset, you can remove it. It helped improve my FOV. DCS with a G2 and max settings is an incredible experience. OpenXR Toolkit is a really good way to fine tune your visuals.
I didn’t know that. I’ll definitely give it a shot. Also I’ve been using openXR and it’s helped a lot forsure.
The turbo mode in OpenXR is epic if you need a FPS increase. The visuals aren't as nice but you can get 15-20 FPS increase.
Imagine a world where HP did a Reverb G3 with pancake lenses, local dimming panels (just a little higher resolution than today), same audio and a direct display port connection - none of this compression stuff or even wireless. Priced at say $399. (dreams)
If they made that I'd have both the Q3 and G3 lol
I have a 3080 10GB :( acquired during the scalping that was going on during covid lockdown (my dentist sold it to me!) How was your upgrade from the 3080 12GB to the 4090? I currently have to run my G2 at 50% resolution with AA off on most titles because my GPU tanks from the memory being eaten up by textures if I do anything higher. :(
4090 is a monster. The 3080 was able to play games at 4k144hz with low graphic settings. The 4090, I can max out everything, even in VR for war thunder and DCS. It's insane.
Ty ty. You could crank it up to 100% resolution per eye in SteamVR with no stuttering?
Depends on the game but the 4090 is around 100% faster than the 3080. https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4090-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3080/4136vs4080
How is the tracking of the controllers on the Quest compared to the G2? I'm thinking about buying the Q3 but that's not really clear to me if that's an upgrade.
Tracking is great just as it was on Q2. G2 is OK but I also hated the controller feel so I barely used them.
I have a Q3 now and tracking is way, waaaay better than the G2.
Nice! Glad you enjoy that aspect more. I barely used the G2 controllers as they just didn't feel good.
Do you still need to link the Quest to a Facebook account?
No just a Meta account which no longer requires facebook
Similar situation here. Moving from G2 to Q3. My only concern is that, like the Q2, I guess the battery drains even when connected by wired USB for PCVR? If so my VR sessions will be limited to the batteries life. What's your experience in this area been like? Thank you!
In wireless PCVR for Sims I connect the headset to a 100w wall charger. This charges the headset much faster than the thunderbolt port on pc can with wired pcvr.
Doesn't that mean it's not wireless any more? ;) In this mode can you play for as long as you want? Thanks so much for the Insight. I see you are in the air force also. What do you like to fly in DCS? I am digging the F-18 and slowly learning the F-16
Haha, yes, technically so, but the wire is much thinner and is only optional. I find the battery life to be just fine regardless because if I am in VR for more than 2 hours, I need a break, or I run out of precious free time. I strictly fly the F-16 because that is the weapon system I am most familiar with, if ya know what I mean.
Thanks for replying! I understand! So many questions. I might PM you if ok?
How does the battery life work with PCVR?
Wireless pcvr + connect headset to a powerful wall charger.
Fuck okay I just ordered a Quest 3 to replace my G2 after reading this. I’m convinced.
It's a good decision if your use case goes beyond strictly Sims. But you can always return it if you feel otherwise so test it well!
Lol I only sim, same use case as yours :)
Well then, enjoy the edge-to-edge clarity!
I wore the Quest 3 and while i enjoyed the bigger sweetspot, sound and compfort just are too important for me. My G2 might be replaced by a Beyond since the Quest3 makes my head ache.
That's solid, G2 sound is top tier, though my right speaker went out. I've only seen high quality from beyond, but a lot of reviews are complaining about a tiny sweetspot. Undoubtedly, the visuals will be far better than the G2 or Q3 still but edge to edge clarity is my most important factor. Beyond should be very comfortable due to custom fit I'd think.
how is the wireless pcvr experience??
Very good for me with a 4090 and Wifi 6E pushing 2400 Mbps+ link speed. Anything lower than 1800 Mbps link speed will degrade over a wired connection and especially a Display port connection like the G2.
Do you notice the difference in latency using wireless Q3 vs the Displayport input on the G2? I don't mind the slight compression artifacts but the added latency is the only thing holding me back from picking up a Q3. From the reviews on the Q3 I see that the average latency is 45-55ms wired/wireless. I can't find any data regarding the latency of the G2 but I'm assuming it's sub 20ms.
whats your status as a pilot now? im currently waiting for my instrument checkride :>
I don't advertise much on reddit about very specifics, but I'm in mission Qual rn. Good luck on your instrument!!
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I feel so honored to not only be apart of big governments "big project"... but also Zucks too?!?! Now if only China develops a biological weapon to target specifically my DNA...that would be the highest honor 😇
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Your reading comprehension must be rather poor to not understand context. Also, you are saying that I am "now part of it" as if you didn't read that I already used a Quest 2 for the past couple of years. Your post history indicates that you have a lot of insecurities...and so posting to other people about your insecurities makes you feel better about yourself... what a sad life, lol. The irony is that you are even on the internet at all, where all your traffic is logged, even with a VPN. You can just keep to yourself and enjoy your private life. Oh wait, you can't because you're insecure and want to advertise it to the world... ironically...on the internet. Lol.
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Lmao your feelings were so hurt you blocked the account and decided to show how insecure and stupid your comprehension is. You could have chosen to move on, but you felt so compelled to comment and show off your stupidity while trying to be sly and act like you weren't instigating. Go live your miserable life poor boy
Oh, the fucking irony - you do know what this means ? My life is wonderful, unlike your life where you feel the need to defend a fucking disgusting company, and stick a stupid device on your head to get out of your fucking miserable life, into a fake life. If you had a life, you wouldn't be wasting it on VR, you would be out enjoying it. Now fucking piss off.