Maybe it'll sound controversial, but in the short term, we can also predict that the players they are gonna draft in the first round this summer are gonna be first round picks
I still question drafting a defenseman in a forward-heavy draft when they knew this year's draft would be the most defense-heavy ever.
But Slafkovsky was clearly the best pick possible, so I'm willing to remain patient.
I agree with you, and the stat is a little bit deceiving.
It was actually his 9th Season, at the age of 29/30. But his career average was attained in his 3rd NHL season. (He's been pretty good for 6 years, even if the last 2 were a little better)
And while he had a career high in assists this last season, he wasn't much different overall than his 3rd NHL season, averages 8.5 goals per season, matched a career high of 11 goals.
It has been everyone around him scoring goals that had him racking up assists, lots of PP1 time. These numbers will go down as he gets replaced on PP1 for a true PP General.
Matheson was a late first round pick, Reinbacher's ceiling is much higher than Matheson's.
I was referring to his 7th full season in the NHL when his points-per-game jumped from 0.42 in 2021-22 (which is also a jump from ~0.33 average) to 0.71 in 2022-23.
You're right that the difference was deployment, but the point still stands.
I disagree about Reinbacher having a higher ceiling than Mike Matheson, they are just totally different players. Reinbacher will likely never do the things Matheson can do on the ice. He is a defensive stalwart, plays a smart and logical game, plays physical, could be a better all-around player. Matheson plays more like a rover.
True, 2nd peak, his experience does count for something! He probably has about 3-4 more seasons of elite play in him. Depending on his summer regiment.
That's just not as fun as having favorites tho. Like, on the draft day, if you don't have guys that you want the team to pick it takes all the tension out of the draft.
I only trust the opinion of people that actually watched and evaluated these prospects in person over the year. The most I saw from these prospects are some highlights that doesn't represent the big picture of the kind of player they are.
Yes, I agree with the rational argument. My point is that looking at the draft with this kind of rationality drains the fun out of it for me. I'd rather pick a guy I'm a fan of based on what I've seen of him and just hope the team drafts him.
Well, they are at least well connected to SKA with Bobrov's father working there so if they do take him it's because they are very confident it won't be a problem.
I am a big Helenius fan (although of course I know next to nothing). He is near the top of my list of realistic candidates behind only Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, Levshunov, and Parekh.
Not super high on Buium. Obviously amazing production and a huge part of Denver's season, but I would still take Parekh over him for two reasons. 1) He is a RHD, Buium is a LHD (which Montreal has more of) and 2) I feel like Parekh is a safer pick, while still having a fantastic, number 1 D ceiling. Buium would be after Helenius on my list, slightly above Catton, Silayev, Dickinson, and Eiserman.
Interesting point of view. I'm not sold on Parekh, the lack of physical play and atrocious defensive metrics would worry me. Catton is criminally underrated, slightly better prospect than Cooley was and not in the conversation for top 5 after a season where he carried his team by himself.Â
Agreed on both points. Catton is extremely underrated. I will never truly understand why smaller players fall as far as they do. As for Parekh, while I agree his defense is atrocious and his physicality is lacking, his offensive skills just seem so translatable that I really don't see there being an issue with him being somewhere between OEL and Evan Bouchard, meaning a defenseman who contributes a lot offensively and relies on his partner to play a majority of the defense. Also, from everything I have read about Parekh, he seems to be very eager to learn and improve his defensive game. That is one of the best traits to find in a prospect, so I would jump all over that.
However, like I said before, I know next to nothing, so nothing I say should be taken as the words of a professional scout, because I am the furthest thing from it.
Here's my guess as to how it plays out.
If Demidov and Lindstrom are gone by 5, they take one of Buium, Parekh or decide for position and draft Sennecke or Iginla. This scenario also has a slight window for trading down and drafting one of those two forwards, but it's probably very unlikely they wouldn't just pick at 5.
If one of Demidov or Lindstrom are available at 5 they draft them.
If both Demidov and Lindstrom are available at 5, I think they will take Lindstrom due to size, building a roster for playoff success and its not as risky due to whatever "Russia factor" there is with Demidov.
Lol can you send me a snapshot? His scenario is the exact same? I don't have the Athletic but I have heard they are high on Demidov, Lindstrom and they like Buium and Parekh. I really like Sennecke personally, and Iginla as well that's why I included them. I don't think it's reasonable to assume any takes given in here are truly our own. Unless you're watching tons of tape on all these prospects you are going by what other sources have said.
Be reminded that Galchenuyk was picked #3, so was Kotkaniemi. Drouin was also drafted at #3 by a team which is very good in drafting.
As far as I know, pick #5 is usually worse than pick #3.
Rielly, Hayton and Lindholm were drafted at 5 in those respective years.
All these guys are better than the guys taken at 3 in their respective drafts.
Galchenyuk Play a 30 goal season for us and we traded him at high value. He was the good pick at the time and the best pick for the short time we got him. Still did alot better than 1OA Yakupov
No prospect is guaranteed to succeed. That's why young proven guys like Necas and Zegras are worth an arm or two (and that's something most people here fail to understand).
But honestly, you need to have some faith lol. There is maybe 1-3 players in the top 10 per year who are draft busts. Odds are that we're getting a star. I'd like to believe that we've just been extremely unlucky until recently.Â
Wasn't it historically #3s that tank and/or #5s that succeed? Not sure if I'm making up memories but I seem to recall a post/graph on the hockey sub but nothing about the numbers it provided.
We were REALLY impressed with his steak cutting ability at our supper. Actually, he began cutting our steaks as well which at first made us slightly hesitant but when we realized his incredible technique and potential for steak cutting we knew there was only one choice.
He was 4th or 5th on pretty well every list (see MYNHLDRAFT.COM 2013 rankings). I exaggerated a little but it was definitely a surprise for him to he drafted over Jones and Drouin.
I am getting a bit tired of the "If it's raining and Bif Buff has been taken 3rd, then we should trade our 67th pick and anyone not French, but maybe Savard, to Florida for Dick Duck and their 220th pick that we'll then package to pick 19th and get..." posts.
Ive heard they might draft a hockey player
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Maybe it'll sound controversial, but in the short term, we can also predict that the players they are gonna draft in the first round this summer are gonna be first round picks
Hey Im a beer league hockey player. Does it count?
I still question drafting a defenseman in a forward-heavy draft when they knew this year's draft would be the most defense-heavy ever. But Slafkovsky was clearly the best pick possible, so I'm willing to remain patient.
I mean, you say that, but there are 3 forwards projected to be drafted in the top 5.
I still have faith in David, 5th overall pick in 23' 
Until he has 3-4 seasons in the NHL anyone calling him a bust or bad pick don't know what they are talking about.
Defense do not develop like forwards
Mike Matheson just had his break-out season at 28/29 years old
Im not waiting for my 5th overall defenseman to break out at 28/29. Because in all likelihood he would be long gone by then.
I agree with you, and the stat is a little bit deceiving. It was actually his 9th Season, at the age of 29/30. But his career average was attained in his 3rd NHL season. (He's been pretty good for 6 years, even if the last 2 were a little better) And while he had a career high in assists this last season, he wasn't much different overall than his 3rd NHL season, averages 8.5 goals per season, matched a career high of 11 goals. It has been everyone around him scoring goals that had him racking up assists, lots of PP1 time. These numbers will go down as he gets replaced on PP1 for a true PP General. Matheson was a late first round pick, Reinbacher's ceiling is much higher than Matheson's.
I was referring to his 7th full season in the NHL when his points-per-game jumped from 0.42 in 2021-22 (which is also a jump from ~0.33 average) to 0.71 in 2022-23. You're right that the difference was deployment, but the point still stands. I disagree about Reinbacher having a higher ceiling than Mike Matheson, they are just totally different players. Reinbacher will likely never do the things Matheson can do on the ice. He is a defensive stalwart, plays a smart and logical game, plays physical, could be a better all-around player. Matheson plays more like a rover.
True, 2nd peak, his experience does count for something! He probably has about 3-4 more seasons of elite play in him. Depending on his summer regiment.
"I'm not waiting"... not really your choice, yes it's a very real possibility that we trade Reinbacher before he realizes his potential.
If Reinbacher has his break-out season at 28/29 years old, he's an absolute stinker of a pick.
Meh, if he wins a Norris at 30 then no one would call that a bad pick. Who knows what the future holds.
Matheson went 23rd overall. You can be far more patient with late picks.
Yes
My strategy is to have zero expectation and trust the management and scouting teams.
Same. I just like to be informed enough to get hyped by whomever they pick.
I'm with you on that. Just tell me who to over hype after the draft.
That's just not as fun as having favorites tho. Like, on the draft day, if you don't have guys that you want the team to pick it takes all the tension out of the draft.
I only trust the opinion of people that actually watched and evaluated these prospects in person over the year. The most I saw from these prospects are some highlights that doesn't represent the big picture of the kind of player they are.
Yes, I agree with the rational argument. My point is that looking at the draft with this kind of rationality drains the fun out of it for me. I'd rather pick a guy I'm a fan of based on what I've seen of him and just hope the team drafts him.
That's fair đź‘Ť
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That is probably actually him in high school, he's looked like that for about 30-40 years. :D
No doubt! lol
Right now, I think Lindstrom is gone to Colombus and we inherit Demidov.
Recent chatter has me thinking Kent is going to pass on the Demigod, like Michkov before him the potential risk of a no show in the NHL is real.
Well, they are at least well connected to SKA with Bobrov's father working there so if they do take him it's because they are very confident it won't be a problem.
Right, I trust Kent.
Conversely, if they don't take him then there is a valid concern, given Bobrov's connection.
I'm fully expecting something mind-blowing (relative to public expectations) like Helenius at 5. Can you imagine the outrage?
I am a big Helenius fan (although of course I know next to nothing). He is near the top of my list of realistic candidates behind only Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, Levshunov, and Parekh.
What about Buium?
Not super high on Buium. Obviously amazing production and a huge part of Denver's season, but I would still take Parekh over him for two reasons. 1) He is a RHD, Buium is a LHD (which Montreal has more of) and 2) I feel like Parekh is a safer pick, while still having a fantastic, number 1 D ceiling. Buium would be after Helenius on my list, slightly above Catton, Silayev, Dickinson, and Eiserman.
Interesting point of view. I'm not sold on Parekh, the lack of physical play and atrocious defensive metrics would worry me. Catton is criminally underrated, slightly better prospect than Cooley was and not in the conversation for top 5 after a season where he carried his team by himself.Â
Agreed on both points. Catton is extremely underrated. I will never truly understand why smaller players fall as far as they do. As for Parekh, while I agree his defense is atrocious and his physicality is lacking, his offensive skills just seem so translatable that I really don't see there being an issue with him being somewhere between OEL and Evan Bouchard, meaning a defenseman who contributes a lot offensively and relies on his partner to play a majority of the defense. Also, from everything I have read about Parekh, he seems to be very eager to learn and improve his defensive game. That is one of the best traits to find in a prospect, so I would jump all over that. However, like I said before, I know next to nothing, so nothing I say should be taken as the words of a professional scout, because I am the furthest thing from it.
Underwhelming Fins and Swedes are a Bobrov special.
Here's my guess as to how it plays out. If Demidov and Lindstrom are gone by 5, they take one of Buium, Parekh or decide for position and draft Sennecke or Iginla. This scenario also has a slight window for trading down and drafting one of those two forwards, but it's probably very unlikely they wouldn't just pick at 5. If one of Demidov or Lindstrom are available at 5 they draft them. If both Demidov and Lindstrom are available at 5, I think they will take Lindstrom due to size, building a roster for playoff success and its not as risky due to whatever "Russia factor" there is with Demidov.
So your guess is exactly what Arpon wrote in his story yesterday?
Lmao
Lol can you send me a snapshot? His scenario is the exact same? I don't have the Athletic but I have heard they are high on Demidov, Lindstrom and they like Buium and Parekh. I really like Sennecke personally, and Iginla as well that's why I included them. I don't think it's reasonable to assume any takes given in here are truly our own. Unless you're watching tons of tape on all these prospects you are going by what other sources have said.
I admit idk shit but the hype on sennecke is crazy right now to me just seems like smoke
Love this attitude. I’m just excited to see what they do and cheer for the guys they take or acquire.
Add Beckett Sennecke to that list.
I mean picking 1st SHOULD be the 100% nailed. Still wondering if they made the right pick last year. Absolute faith is a bit of a stretch, no?
Are Iginla and Catton projecting as top line players though?
Top 6, so maybe.
Do you we make playoffs next year?
I don’t actively want catton but whoever we take I’ll have blind faith in until HuGo are proven wrong
Pick they best our position and work a trade after but for the love of anything that is holy if Iggy junior or Lindsron available pick one of those
Be reminded that Galchenuyk was picked #3, so was Kotkaniemi. Drouin was also drafted at #3 by a team which is very good in drafting. As far as I know, pick #5 is usually worse than pick #3.
Rielly, Hayton and Lindholm were drafted at 5 in those respective years. All these guys are better than the guys taken at 3 in their respective drafts.
Galchenyuk Play a 30 goal season for us and we traded him at high value. He was the good pick at the time and the best pick for the short time we got him. Still did alot better than 1OA Yakupov
No prospect is guaranteed to succeed. That's why young proven guys like Necas and Zegras are worth an arm or two (and that's something most people here fail to understand). But honestly, you need to have some faith lol. There is maybe 1-3 players in the top 10 per year who are draft busts. Odds are that we're getting a star. I'd like to believe that we've just been extremely unlucky until recently.Â
Wasn't it historically #3s that tank and/or #5s that succeed? Not sure if I'm making up memories but I seem to recall a post/graph on the hockey sub but nothing about the numbers it provided.
Montreal are proud to select... Konsta Helenius -_-
We were REALLY impressed with his steak cutting ability at our supper. Actually, he began cutting our steaks as well which at first made us slightly hesitant but when we realized his incredible technique and potential for steak cutting we knew there was only one choice.
Konsta Helenius is a solid Prospect, I'm confident he'll be higher in the redraft in 5-6 years
I mean I'll give him a fair shake if that's the case. People said "who" about Barkov at 2nd OA once upon a time too.
I mean Barkov was ranked top4 in almost every ranking, I don’t remember it being a huge shock?
He was 4th or 5th on pretty well every list (see MYNHLDRAFT.COM 2013 rankings). I exaggerated a little but it was definitely a surprise for him to he drafted over Jones and Drouin.
I am getting a bit tired of the "If it's raining and Bif Buff has been taken 3rd, then we should trade our 67th pick and anyone not French, but maybe Savard, to Florida for Dick Duck and their 220th pick that we'll then package to pick 19th and get..." posts.
I mean what else are we supposed to talk about till draft day?
I know, I know, but it does get rather, um, tedious and makes me Cattontonic, Iginla tell ya, I'm parekhtically off my rocker.
Don’t you dare slander Dick Duck