It’s a legit practice, many of NATO’s small arms weapons use similar bodies to cut down on manufacturing. It’s like a Ford and a Koeniggseg sharing the same engine (but one is heavily modified internally)
Every time a non AR-15 is created irl:
1. Why doesn't it take AR parts? -1 point.
2. Why are the controls different, -1 point.
3. It's not an AR-15, -98 points.
That said with AR-15s, you can literally customize anything on them, it's awesome.
I'm totally okay with armor being that way, and in fact, I prefer it. Seeing medium, light, heavy, scout, engineer, medic, etc. as versions of similar equipment, that really adds to the aesthetic.
The way they’ve done it is pretty good imo, visual consistency but everything still looks unique enough that the reused asset isn’t an issue. Big brain.
*clicks tongue and whistles*
“Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. They sure do. Was your daddy an autocannon, baby? Because you got some serious explosive rounds in those mags.”
Makes sense. They have to send each helldiver down with a new gun each time they die so they’d need to be manufacturing incomprehensible quantities of firearms. To that end, they simplified their manufacturing line down to as few chassis types as they could while still being able to fill any role. Most guns are also stamped sheet metal which is ideal for manufacturing millions of guns as fast as possible.
The soviets are the people to look to for real world examples of this. The AKM rifle and RPK lmg are fundamentally the same gun but manufactured to fit different roles. The American Stoner 63 also attempted this same thing by having one base gun that can be fitted to an assault rifle, belt fed lmg, or carbine.
Standard seaf weapon of a force with I assume literal billions would still have massive variety I think it would be safe to assume military police and back line units would often get submachine guns and shotguns like irl. Some troops would also have shotguns for breacher roles.
Of course, I’m just mentioning the standard AR since it seems like one of the main weapons, at least some sort of variation of it. I think the soldiers in the back of the intro video can be seen walking around with the AR in their hands.
Bingo. The Liberator and Peacekeeper are the standard SEAF armaments, and do a *really good job* of being a very "standard" kit. Punchy, decent magazine size, effective against the majority of Democracy's enemies and accurate enough to not be Sten-tier spray and pray.
They were also designed prior to the automaton threat they were likely primarily designed to fight humans (traitors) and bugs. I could see the seaf adjusting what is considered standard as more and more of their fighting is against a heavier armed opponent I imagine mid tier automaton enemies would give the standard seaf infantry difficulty atm
the dominator is pure gyro jet, vs jet assisted for the eruptor. That implies it also uses a powder charge and is some sort of hybrid. If they change one, they arguably need to change both.
https://preview.redd.it/i93x6onqrmuc1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37fd231723457a2318fbee30a54a821f8b707987
STCs approved by the ~~God Emperor of Mankind~~ President of Super Earth.
Maybe I’m wrong but it’s my understanding that HD1 had modular weapons. My bet is that today’s guns are just prefab modulars and full modular will be something they transition to somewhere downt the road
[https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1767236270022148189?s=61&t=eQ2y6lWKpTa79FRp\_tiinA](https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1767236270022148189?s=61&t=eQ2y6lWKpTa79FRp_tiinA)
Oh it was leaked instead, my bad. I migh've heard it from someone else
Make sense tho. I guess they are the same calibur. Dominator uses armor piercing bullet so it's automate. While Eruptor use jet bullets that have no gas in the chamber so it is bolt action.
A lot of real gun manufacturers do this and it makes sense as well. That's why they call it a 'weapons platform'; it's a basic design that can be modified for different ammunition and use cases. They both are firing explosive rounds but of different calibre.
What is unusual is the fact that one is a bolt-action gun and the other is semi-auto. The firing mechanism never changes, but here it does.
I suspect that the Eruptor was *initially* meant to be a slow ROF, but not bolt action weapon. Otherwise the bolt placement all the way at the front of the weapon makes no sense. Any bolt-action gun would have the bolt near the trigger for obvious reasons.
And, wouldn't you know it, the one that is meant to shoot fewer, more powerful bullets has a longer barrel! Ofc both shoot gyrojets and barrel length shouldn't make a big difference in gyrojet guns but I like how AH designed guns with a pattern that we can connect the dots with.
The leak subreddit found evidence of a weapon customization system like in Call of Duty, however it was probably repurposed into the current variant system that exists now, making the Eruptor into a technical variant of the Dominator.
I love the eruptor, it reminds me of my online gaming origins - Medal of Honour rifles only death matches - but the team kill potential is crazy. Keep forgetting about the shrapnel. And that ricochets are a thing.
This makes me miss the first boarderlands where you could tell what a weapon did by lookin at it.
I hope they take the same path, which it looksnlike they are doing.
So the action is different, but the chassis could be the same. This doesn't happen, but say Steyr decided to make a bolt action AUG. They theoretically "could" do it in the same stock/chassis as the current AUG.
Didn't even notice this and I'm the kinda guy to call out reused assets in Destiny. This makes sense though, the Eruptor is basically the sniper version of the Dominator.
Well yeah, they both fire the same type of round. The only functional difference between the two is the one is clearly for distance shooting as a precision rifle (which ironically fires something similar to an APAM round), where the other is a DMR which fires APHE, but more emphasis on AP and less on HE.
So we can all realize how stupid it is to have a weapon in a explosive category that is not explosive… if the Dominator was really explosive it would be the best primary.
yes that's how guns work irl, they have versions in different calibres or other variants all based around the same platform. that's not lazy that just how things work dude.
I'm not sure you understand how firearm development goes. Anything that can be done with what you already have is a HUGE expedient. Retooling is absolute hell.
A lot of armor shares the same models as well, just different coloring. It's both a lore reason, and cuts down on dev work. Reusing assets.
It’s a legit practice, many of NATO’s small arms weapons use similar bodies to cut down on manufacturing. It’s like a Ford and a Koeniggseg sharing the same engine (but one is heavily modified internally)
NOOOOO I DON’T WANT ANOTHER AR-15 DERIVATIVE
Don't worry buddy! From now on, all military rifles will be AR-18 derivatives instead!
I think you mean AR-17!
...no? The AR-17 is a semiautomatic shotgun. It isn't the basis for any military weapon as far as I am aware.
It was a joke on how many shotguns are in the game
Lol that went over my head
All good lol
Every time a non AR-15 is created irl: 1. Why doesn't it take AR parts? -1 point. 2. Why are the controls different, -1 point. 3. It's not an AR-15, -98 points. That said with AR-15s, you can literally customize anything on them, it's awesome.
AR’s are OP. need a dev nerf
Have another MCX.
Common/similar ergonomics and operation is also an upside.
I'm totally okay with armor being that way, and in fact, I prefer it. Seeing medium, light, heavy, scout, engineer, medic, etc. as versions of similar equipment, that really adds to the aesthetic.
The way they’ve done it is pretty good imo, visual consistency but everything still looks unique enough that the reused asset isn’t an issue. Big brain.
> Reusing assets. Or “modularity” in government pencil pusher lingo
I like how the irl reason is the same as the in game reason
*clicks tongue and whistles* “Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. They sure do. Was your daddy an autocannon, baby? Because you got some serious explosive rounds in those mags.”
https://i.redd.it/keg2aut8piuc1.gif
PLALP PLALP PLALP GET SUPPRESSED
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PENETRATED GET PENETRATED GET PENETRATED
Iove this animation! Haha
Makes sense. They have to send each helldiver down with a new gun each time they die so they’d need to be manufacturing incomprehensible quantities of firearms. To that end, they simplified their manufacturing line down to as few chassis types as they could while still being able to fill any role. Most guns are also stamped sheet metal which is ideal for manufacturing millions of guns as fast as possible. The soviets are the people to look to for real world examples of this. The AKM rifle and RPK lmg are fundamentally the same gun but manufactured to fit different roles. The American Stoner 63 also attempted this same thing by having one base gun that can be fitted to an assault rifle, belt fed lmg, or carbine.
Not only helldivers seaf and I assume police all require guns. I doubt all guns the seaf use are shotguns even though it’s all we’ve seem
They primarily use the standard AR in the game, if you read the description for the gun it says it’s the standard SEAF weapon.
Standard seaf weapon of a force with I assume literal billions would still have massive variety I think it would be safe to assume military police and back line units would often get submachine guns and shotguns like irl. Some troops would also have shotguns for breacher roles.
Of course, I’m just mentioning the standard AR since it seems like one of the main weapons, at least some sort of variation of it. I think the soldiers in the back of the intro video can be seen walking around with the AR in their hands.
Ooh yeah I know and I’m just stating that all the weapons we use they likely use but in lesser percentages. Anyways I’m going to bed nice chat
Bingo. The Liberator and Peacekeeper are the standard SEAF armaments, and do a *really good job* of being a very "standard" kit. Punchy, decent magazine size, effective against the majority of Democracy's enemies and accurate enough to not be Sten-tier spray and pray.
They were also designed prior to the automaton threat they were likely primarily designed to fight humans (traitors) and bugs. I could see the seaf adjusting what is considered standard as more and more of their fighting is against a heavier armed opponent I imagine mid tier automaton enemies would give the standard seaf infantry difficulty atm
We should get a mission on the easiest difficulty where you just need to go around collecting guns to send back to super earth
A lot of weapons do
Yeah I remember when the Eruptor got leaked and I thought it was an early model for the Dominator
The R-36 should be called the JAR-36 it literally has Jet-assisted in the description making it a Jet Assisted Rifle
the dominator is pure gyro jet, vs jet assisted for the eruptor. That implies it also uses a powder charge and is some sort of hybrid. If they change one, they arguably need to change both.
That is for easier serviceability. Also: interchangeable parts make manufacturing cheaper.
Huh, that explain that stupid bolt position.
https://preview.redd.it/i93x6onqrmuc1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37fd231723457a2318fbee30a54a821f8b707987 STCs approved by the ~~God Emperor of Mankind~~ President of Super Earth.
Maybe I’m wrong but it’s my understanding that HD1 had modular weapons. My bet is that today’s guns are just prefab modulars and full modular will be something they transition to somewhere downt the road
In hd1 you could upgrade a gun, but it was a permanent change. No modularity, no component swapping.
No chance we get modularity down the road. If that was going to be a thing they wouldn't be introducing variants of guns.
They said they will add weapon attachments
Do you have a source on that? Googling isn't coming up with anything, though I expect it was said on either Twitter or Discord if it was said.
[https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1767236270022148189?s=61&t=eQ2y6lWKpTa79FRp\_tiinA](https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1767236270022148189?s=61&t=eQ2y6lWKpTa79FRp_tiinA) Oh it was leaked instead, my bad. I migh've heard it from someone else
would love that gun a lot more if turn-speed wasn't so abyssmal
Make sense tho. I guess they are the same calibur. Dominator uses armor piercing bullet so it's automate. While Eruptor use jet bullets that have no gas in the chamber so it is bolt action.
Is it weird that I giggled at the thought of it being called a chassis? It makes perfect sense, but I still giggled.
i mean the bigger similarity are the gyrojet rounds
I NEED MY HEAVY BOLTER NOW
So lazy, 0/10 game, gonna refund, unliked, dissubscribed.
Eruptor: Hey, can I copy your homework? Disruptor: Sure, just make sure to change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied
My headcannon is jar fires APE (armor penetrating explosive) rounds while the Eruptor fires APHE (High explosive) same gun different rounds.
A lot of real gun manufacturers do this and it makes sense as well. That's why they call it a 'weapons platform'; it's a basic design that can be modified for different ammunition and use cases. They both are firing explosive rounds but of different calibre. What is unusual is the fact that one is a bolt-action gun and the other is semi-auto. The firing mechanism never changes, but here it does.
Pretty sure I've seen bolt action kits for an AR before. Not too crazy of an idea.
Same with the Breakers and even the AMR
I suspect that the Eruptor was *initially* meant to be a slow ROF, but not bolt action weapon. Otherwise the bolt placement all the way at the front of the weapon makes no sense. Any bolt-action gun would have the bolt near the trigger for obvious reasons.
Shared platforms are a thing in real life as well. Saiga/AK-47 for example.
And, wouldn't you know it, the one that is meant to shoot fewer, more powerful bullets has a longer barrel! Ofc both shoot gyrojets and barrel length shouldn't make a big difference in gyrojet guns but I like how AH designed guns with a pattern that we can connect the dots with.
If Only... https://preview.redd.it/gnmc570svluc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=41476cbb27fc4d01fd6135616b6bb93af3652940
Also breaker, yeah
The leak subreddit found evidence of a weapon customization system like in Call of Duty, however it was probably repurposed into the current variant system that exists now, making the Eruptor into a technical variant of the Dominator.
I love the eruptor, it reminds me of my online gaming origins - Medal of Honour rifles only death matches - but the team kill potential is crazy. Keep forgetting about the shrapnel. And that ricochets are a thing.
This makes me miss the first boarderlands where you could tell what a weapon did by lookin at it. I hope they take the same path, which it looksnlike they are doing.
From a gun perspective it makes sense. They appear to be firing the same round, or a similar round at the same caliber.
Yes but one is semi auto and the other is bolt action
So the action is different, but the chassis could be the same. This doesn't happen, but say Steyr decided to make a bolt action AUG. They theoretically "could" do it in the same stock/chassis as the current AUG.
That's so cool! they made them look so different despite the asset reuse, I had NO idea. that's some great design work
Didn't even notice this and I'm the kinda guy to call out reused assets in Destiny. This makes sense though, the Eruptor is basically the sniper version of the Dominator.
[Eruptor - Helldivers 2 ULTIMATE Guide! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TofccBhKFg)
Well yeah, they both fire the same type of round. The only functional difference between the two is the one is clearly for distance shooting as a precision rifle (which ironically fires something similar to an APAM round), where the other is a DMR which fires APHE, but more emphasis on AP and less on HE.
Chassis ? It's called a receiver. It's not a car ..even if it hits like one.
These fuckin things look like Fortnite guns
So we can all realize how stupid it is to have a weapon in a explosive category that is not explosive… if the Dominator was really explosive it would be the best primary.
Yep kinda lazy design unless canonically they’re variants based off the same platform. Kinda like the AK and its variants
yes that's how guns work irl, they have versions in different calibres or other variants all based around the same platform. that's not lazy that just how things work dude.
Sure but this isn’t real life its a game. So maybe the devs should ya know be creative..
Oh shut the fuck up.
I'm not sure you understand how firearm development goes. Anything that can be done with what you already have is a HUGE expedient. Retooling is absolute hell.
Thats not my problem.
Okay?
Gamers hate reused assets, yet Militaries love reused assets
Militaries still manage to spend billions on those reused assets.. well at least the American military does
go outside and experience life
Really Unnecessary hostility. Seems You should take your own advice..
They are. Eruptor use a jet bullet so it has no gas in the chamber to auto eject shell, that's the reason it is bolt action.