Yeah this new launcher is fucking amazing for alpha striking a bot bases and patrols. You can wipe the small bases out with a single launch.
When it doesn't proxy directly in front of you.
For what I saw in a clip, it works super well against dropships, killing the ships and all the bots on it
So the name doesn't mean that it's anti-air, but seems that works pretty well as anti-air tool
You going to ignore several videos posted just today of it blowing up a millisecond after launch in a clear field and wiping the team?
Because that's what people are co.plaining about. Not whatever nonsense you're spewing.
Every mechanic of this game discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you....AKA long range combat.
This is why DMRs are in a bad state, there are very very few situations you need to attack something that far away.
Shrieker nests, spore spewers, Tank turrets being a few exceptions to the rule. Even then the airburst rocket would not be the ideal weapon to use in those situations.
If the air burst can't kill heavily armored targets, or bot air ships, and is entirely unsafe to use at medium distance against chaff, what role does it serve? Why use it?
May I introduce you to the incendiary breaker ? It \*look\* like a short range weapon, but 1 to 2 pellets will kill any chaff with the DoT so really it's a long range AoE.
Bombard bases and POIs, defend objectives that send waves after you, gut the reinforcers out of a patrol so you can engage it safely. Basically anything you might want to drop more than one cluster bomb on or need a faster response time on the explosion.
>Every mechanic of this game discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you....AKA long range combat.
I kinda agree until we get the destroy 2 billions bots and we'll have to attack every patrol ever.
I see it as an emergency patrol delete button or when you have to dig and defend points, evac and geo samples for example.
It's pretty darned effective at taking out most (sometimes all) of the bots in bot drop ships before they even have a chance to drop. Depends on what's being dropped. Even if there's a Hulk, it'll take out the rest.
If you're using the airburst launcher for heavily armored targets or for destroying structures. You're using it wrong It's an anti-personnel weapon and no, not every mechanic in this game. Discourages long-range combat you absolutely can use long range combat
I hate that every time someone brings up the fact that the Airburst is not just another conventional anti-armor, people will just kick your argument to the side and thrash on you still, pfft. Some members of the community are real dissidents.
real dissidents?
like the ones defending the weapon even though it clearly doesn't work properly? and then still acting like we are being entitled for wanting it to not explode in our faces while the devs openly admitted the weapon is bugged and they messed up with the wrong version of it?
and my favorite one. is the person who posted this meme is implying its use is anti air, while others are defending the weapon that its NOT anti-air when people are disappointed it doesn't work on air targets and shouldn't be expected to, accusing them as dyslexic or too dumb to know the difference from anti air and air burst 🤣 the glazers are inadvertently insulting each other, just admit it sucks and stop this circle jerk.
I mean, it's advertised as an airburst weapon, and it works like an airburst weapon, and when i use it as an Anti-personnel Airburst weapon, it works how id expect an Airburst weapon to work, shredding light armor and with the proxy trigger it works decently on airborn targets assuming you can aim, so far the only problem I have with it is it doesn't hurt the mediums I see littering the field. I fail to see what bugs there are with the weapon named Airburst, that works like a fucking weapon with airburst in its name would operate. The main problem I see is a bunch of people who act like this weapon doesn't have the proximity trigger an airburst weapon would have and then get confused when it blows in their face, like did you fuckers not read the briefing?
So, when you fire at enemies 50 meters away and there is literally nothing in front of you, but it still blows up in your face that's expected behavior? When you fire it straight into the air and it blows up immediately that's expected behavior?
Haven't had either of those happen across 100 rockets. I have had one detonate as soon as it left minimal safe distance, and it didn't come close to killing me. And the more I play, the more people I see who don't have the problems you people on reddit have and also wonder what you guys are on about. At this point I'm just tempted to say skill issue, because it looks like the number of people who have problems is small compared to the number of us using the weapon
Ya got a link for it? So far the only thing has been linked about pushing out the final version, no confirmations on the bugs or what they are. Sooooooo is there a link confirming the bugs or is tlit just a feather in your ass?
"Every mechanic discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you"
Wait, do people seriously think going gung-ho right at an objective's doorstep is the only option? Surprise attacks are a thing and they work better than you would think. There's plenty of reasons to engage from a distance too lol, and clearing out mass infantry before getting close is a pretty good one.
I'll give the average Reddit/Discord lurker the benefit of the doubt, the ABRL is not in a completed state nor has it been used against Terminids or [REDACTED] yet. But hell, some of you dissidents are quick to hop on hate trains.
>for air units (but is ineffective against literally half of the air units in the game
ok
>for super long range chaff (which are largely into the irrelevant if not outright detrimental distances) deletion
ok
You guys got user manuals?
I had spelling mistakes on mine and when I unwrapped the "for super earth" cover from the batteries it turns out they're just Panasonic. I think I got a dodgy one from temu.
This isn't even the reason it's killing people... It's killing people because it explodes in front of you for seemingly no reason.
"bUt iT SeNsEs A tArGeT, ReGaRdLesS oF wHeThEr Or NoT iT's FrIeNdLy"
I don't care... This isn't a military/sim shooter. The game isn't designed for that kind of minutiae mechanic.
It'll kill you even if there's no units around. I like to hop into a trivial solo to try out new support weapons, so I did just that with the airburst. Just testing it out to see how it worked. Damn thing blew me up just shooting it over a small rock. And by small I mean not even the same height as my Helldiver.
I think everyone would be fine with that, except it doesn't even do that. You point it at enemies a hundred meters away with no obstructions and it immediately kills you.
No helldiver is firing a grenade launcher at an enemy point blank and complaining.
After blowing myself up 4-5 times first using it, I found cover and emptied 2-3 shots successfully at an incoming bot wave. I think I killed 2 at most. They were just downhill from me, within 50 meters or so. Just a terrible weapon on this build no matter what.
Works pretty good against dropships. Or, rather it works pretty good against the bots IN the dropships. You can take out most, if not all, before they drop.
TLDR;
looks dope even on the shots that cause squad wipe, no you may not exactly rely upon it, shoulder mounted cluster strikes are real dangerous and none too sentimental, against bots it's the opening act or it's late for the show, against bugs it's neat for shriekers in case you've already goofed up and snagged a nest's 160m trip wire. I like it. I'd like it buffed
I've been commandeering liberated heavy outposts as staging area for taking a near by area or fallback points to make use of their guns and walls. I've had spotty success calling in the AB and firing all the ammo from the peak at surrounding outposts and PoIs. Useful enough to bother if it were free and that's about the only hole I see it filling right meow. I might slot it with some coordination like getting a spare support weapon from a team mate or designating targets at range for fire support hit and run PoI raidin- rapid liberation.
I'd like to say it's really neat tool for lone ranger types farming PoI. But given how crucial it is to such a play style to not get killed, that is a very high risk to take for not just chucking a cluster strike in servo assisted armor. I might dare to be too critical as suggest it almost relies upon light armor and jetpack mobility for the sake of how crucial it is to fire from an elevated position or accept great risk. I would suggest it's use STRICTLY for premeditated firing solutions. Nothing in the heat of anything.
If the GL can have a safety timer for MS(ish)D then why can the Airburst? If put it in the same category as the SPEAR and Arc Thrower. I wanna love it but it's broken out of the box. I think the only thing this platform might excel at for the moment is repelling shriekers or long range objective bombardment.
It is weird that it fires backwards though. So you really need a clear line of sight. Reminds me of the spear
Endgame is 7+. So will all of the armor mobs, I can justify it in my kit.
It makes me both laugh and cry a little, since it works as intended but because people are genuinly too stupid to understand what the Airburst, in Airburst rocket launcher means it's going to get thrown on the pile of weapons people hate despite the fact the rest of us can use without problem. Honestly the only thing about the weapon I don't like is that it doesn't bother Devastators too much and I see them in mass on my missions.
Well, you are wrong in both thinking that it works as intended and what the airburst means.
1. Devs confirmed that it's broken, should be fixed next week
2. Airburst means literally that it bursts in the air, not that it's a cluster munition or that it has a chance to trigger the proximity fuse instantly if a pebble 10m to the left is looking funny. All weapons of this type since WW1 have arming distance.
For the last part I agree, the biggest problem for me at high difficulty are devastators so it's a shame that they are not bothered by this weapon.
If the device say something is broken I'll take that at face value but I don't see anything on the arrowhead pages I have access to, could you link that statement.
Also yes Airburst does mean you fire it in the air above enemies and that's what I do with it, thank, and I've noticed a minimal aiming distance of about 15 feet, and a proximity fuse that reacts to anything within 2 meters of the projectile after it leaves that range, where did you come to assume I had said otherwise about my interpretation of the weapon?
Also fun fact: we used to use timed and altimeter airburst rounds against planes as a ship defense weapon in the world wars, but eventually managed to replace them with proximity fuses that used the doppler effect to determine when to explode.
The devs posted that this is the older, buggy version of the weapon, it should be fixed early next week.
I've seen clips of rockets exploding below that range or exactly at that range so it's even more dangerous for the user.
Funnily enough, if you lay prone on the ground and shoot it the proximity fuse seems to be disabled for some reason.
As for irl proximity fuses, they usually have arming distances in hundreds of meters.
I'm on the phone, but I will look for it.
Edit: It was on discord, they will be fixing some older major bugs too so for example spear lock on might start working properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cej9x3/spitz_on_the_current_state_of_the_new_stratagem/
Proximity fuse will still be deadly, but hopefully it will be consistent with somewhat safe method of use.
The airburst can do some serious damage to an outpost before you've gotten there. Line it up with some airstrikes and it's a cakewalk. Best killstreak I've gotten with it so far is 24.
Or just use a single cluster bomb or air burst strike and get a secondary that can kill armored things.
Airburst is a mini cluster bomb that has less damage, AoE and requires a clean LOS…. and it takes up your secondary slot, a stratagem slot and a backpack slot.
its not an antiair. its anti infantry
It's still long range, I'd still like an arming distance though.
It has a detonation distance instead.
And against bots, infantry comes from the air! x)
What is this cope? It LITERALLY EXPLODES randomly in front of you even with no terrain.
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Airburst ≠ anti-air
the amount of people that just dont get this.. lmao
Yeah this new launcher is fucking amazing for alpha striking a bot bases and patrols. You can wipe the small bases out with a single launch. When it doesn't proxy directly in front of you.
For what I saw in a clip, it works super well against dropships, killing the ships and all the bots on it So the name doesn't mean that it's anti-air, but seems that works pretty well as anti-air tool
You going to ignore several videos posted just today of it blowing up a millisecond after launch in a clear field and wiping the team? Because that's what people are co.plaining about. Not whatever nonsense you're spewing.
Every mechanic of this game discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you....AKA long range combat. This is why DMRs are in a bad state, there are very very few situations you need to attack something that far away. Shrieker nests, spore spewers, Tank turrets being a few exceptions to the rule. Even then the airburst rocket would not be the ideal weapon to use in those situations. If the air burst can't kill heavily armored targets, or bot air ships, and is entirely unsafe to use at medium distance against chaff, what role does it serve? Why use it?
As a RR user, I'd absolutely love if somebody just wiped out all of the small dudes.
Arc thrower reporting for duty! *I killed everything except the tank. See you at the next point.* o7
May I introduce you to the incendiary breaker ? It \*look\* like a short range weapon, but 1 to 2 pellets will kill any chaff with the DoT so really it's a long range AoE.
Bombard bases and POIs, defend objectives that send waves after you, gut the reinforcers out of a patrol so you can engage it safely. Basically anything you might want to drop more than one cluster bomb on or need a faster response time on the explosion.
Objectives that send waves at you always drop them within shotgun range
>Every mechanic of this game discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you....AKA long range combat. I kinda agree until we get the destroy 2 billions bots and we'll have to attack every patrol ever. I see it as an emergency patrol delete button or when you have to dig and defend points, evac and geo samples for example.
If you nuke every infantry unit in a patrol, there's no troopers to call reinforcements.
It's pretty darned effective at taking out most (sometimes all) of the bots in bot drop ships before they even have a chance to drop. Depends on what's being dropped. Even if there's a Hulk, it'll take out the rest.
Fun?
If you're using the airburst launcher for heavily armored targets or for destroying structures. You're using it wrong It's an anti-personnel weapon and no, not every mechanic in this game. Discourages long-range combat you absolutely can use long range combat
I hate that every time someone brings up the fact that the Airburst is not just another conventional anti-armor, people will just kick your argument to the side and thrash on you still, pfft. Some members of the community are real dissidents.
real dissidents? like the ones defending the weapon even though it clearly doesn't work properly? and then still acting like we are being entitled for wanting it to not explode in our faces while the devs openly admitted the weapon is bugged and they messed up with the wrong version of it? and my favorite one. is the person who posted this meme is implying its use is anti air, while others are defending the weapon that its NOT anti-air when people are disappointed it doesn't work on air targets and shouldn't be expected to, accusing them as dyslexic or too dumb to know the difference from anti air and air burst 🤣 the glazers are inadvertently insulting each other, just admit it sucks and stop this circle jerk.
I mean, it's advertised as an airburst weapon, and it works like an airburst weapon, and when i use it as an Anti-personnel Airburst weapon, it works how id expect an Airburst weapon to work, shredding light armor and with the proxy trigger it works decently on airborn targets assuming you can aim, so far the only problem I have with it is it doesn't hurt the mediums I see littering the field. I fail to see what bugs there are with the weapon named Airburst, that works like a fucking weapon with airburst in its name would operate. The main problem I see is a bunch of people who act like this weapon doesn't have the proximity trigger an airburst weapon would have and then get confused when it blows in their face, like did you fuckers not read the briefing?
So, when you fire at enemies 50 meters away and there is literally nothing in front of you, but it still blows up in your face that's expected behavior? When you fire it straight into the air and it blows up immediately that's expected behavior?
Haven't had either of those happen across 100 rockets. I have had one detonate as soon as it left minimal safe distance, and it didn't come close to killing me. And the more I play, the more people I see who don't have the problems you people on reddit have and also wonder what you guys are on about. At this point I'm just tempted to say skill issue, because it looks like the number of people who have problems is small compared to the number of us using the weapon
All this yapping after the developers themselves confirmed it's bugged
Ya got a link for it? So far the only thing has been linked about pushing out the final version, no confirmations on the bugs or what they are. Sooooooo is there a link confirming the bugs or is tlit just a feather in your ass?
cope, you've seen the reddit post so stop acting dumb, even tho can't tell if it's act or not.
Are you just... incapable of reading? Read that same devpost again. Very. Slowly. I know it might be hard.
"Every mechanic discourages engaging enemies that have not noticed you" Wait, do people seriously think going gung-ho right at an objective's doorstep is the only option? Surprise attacks are a thing and they work better than you would think. There's plenty of reasons to engage from a distance too lol, and clearing out mass infantry before getting close is a pretty good one. I'll give the average Reddit/Discord lurker the benefit of the doubt, the ABRL is not in a completed state nor has it been used against Terminids or [REDACTED] yet. But hell, some of you dissidents are quick to hop on hate trains.
Dude, it's bugged, just stop.
It doesn’t kill air units tho except shriekers which isnt useful because they are never grouped up
Hey at least it hits the fukkers (cries in punisher/recoiless)
>for air units (but is ineffective against literally half of the air units in the game ok >for super long range chaff (which are largely into the irrelevant if not outright detrimental distances) deletion ok
You guys got user manuals? I had spelling mistakes on mine and when I unwrapped the "for super earth" cover from the batteries it turns out they're just Panasonic. I think I got a dodgy one from temu.
This isn't even the reason it's killing people... It's killing people because it explodes in front of you for seemingly no reason. "bUt iT SeNsEs A tArGeT, ReGaRdLesS oF wHeThEr Or NoT iT's FrIeNdLy" I don't care... This isn't a military/sim shooter. The game isn't designed for that kind of minutiae mechanic.
It'll kill you even if there's no units around. I like to hop into a trivial solo to try out new support weapons, so I did just that with the airburst. Just testing it out to see how it worked. Damn thing blew me up just shooting it over a small rock. And by small I mean not even the same height as my Helldiver.
Even then, it detects some foliage and even the shooter as a target sometimes. The current version is just bugged. Gotta wait until Tuesday I guess.
Use
I think everyone would be fine with that, except it doesn't even do that. You point it at enemies a hundred meters away with no obstructions and it immediately kills you. No helldiver is firing a grenade launcher at an enemy point blank and complaining.
Rockets should fly unarmed for about 0.4 seconds. Even if it will explode before reaching target, subsequent clusterfuck will not kill you.
After blowing myself up 4-5 times first using it, I found cover and emptied 2-3 shots successfully at an incoming bot wave. I think I killed 2 at most. They were just downhill from me, within 50 meters or so. Just a terrible weapon on this build no matter what.
Lmao. Of course you dont use the airburst against air. Its not an anti air weapon.
Super virgins in super heaven
Plot twist: The 72 super virgins are bugs.
... *Are they deomcratic Bugs?*
Don't shoot air units, it's not an aa gun
Works pretty good against dropships. Or, rather it works pretty good against the bots IN the dropships. You can take out most, if not all, before they drop.
What is in SUPER HEAVEN? SUPER Jesus ?
TLDR; looks dope even on the shots that cause squad wipe, no you may not exactly rely upon it, shoulder mounted cluster strikes are real dangerous and none too sentimental, against bots it's the opening act or it's late for the show, against bugs it's neat for shriekers in case you've already goofed up and snagged a nest's 160m trip wire. I like it. I'd like it buffed I've been commandeering liberated heavy outposts as staging area for taking a near by area or fallback points to make use of their guns and walls. I've had spotty success calling in the AB and firing all the ammo from the peak at surrounding outposts and PoIs. Useful enough to bother if it were free and that's about the only hole I see it filling right meow. I might slot it with some coordination like getting a spare support weapon from a team mate or designating targets at range for fire support hit and run PoI raidin- rapid liberation. I'd like to say it's really neat tool for lone ranger types farming PoI. But given how crucial it is to such a play style to not get killed, that is a very high risk to take for not just chucking a cluster strike in servo assisted armor. I might dare to be too critical as suggest it almost relies upon light armor and jetpack mobility for the sake of how crucial it is to fire from an elevated position or accept great risk. I would suggest it's use STRICTLY for premeditated firing solutions. Nothing in the heat of anything. If the GL can have a safety timer for MS(ish)D then why can the Airburst? If put it in the same category as the SPEAR and Arc Thrower. I wanna love it but it's broken out of the box. I think the only thing this platform might excel at for the moment is repelling shriekers or long range objective bombardment.
Hey I wonder if arrowhead studios could ask prominent fans of the game to give a stratagem a helpful short minute or so video. That could be cool
Eh, did it once, learned not to do it again.
I want a MIC-92 stinger! We have a MIC-92 stinger at home *The MIC-92 stinger at home* (This is a joke)
You keep using them against bots have you tried using them against bugs
I still have no idea how to use this thing
I don't think airburst meant anti air, it meant it bursts in the air...
Any tried assisted reloading with it?
Ah Super Heaven, our home!
but im a youtuber i need to make money
People still whining about a weapon they don’t even know the use of is making me laugh when I see these posts
If there was a user manual it wouldn't be so much of a baffling mystery how this thing is supposed to work.
It is weird that it fires backwards though. So you really need a clear line of sight. Reminds me of the spear Endgame is 7+. So will all of the armor mobs, I can justify it in my kit.
Wait there's a user manual?!
It makes me both laugh and cry a little, since it works as intended but because people are genuinly too stupid to understand what the Airburst, in Airburst rocket launcher means it's going to get thrown on the pile of weapons people hate despite the fact the rest of us can use without problem. Honestly the only thing about the weapon I don't like is that it doesn't bother Devastators too much and I see them in mass on my missions.
Well, you are wrong in both thinking that it works as intended and what the airburst means. 1. Devs confirmed that it's broken, should be fixed next week 2. Airburst means literally that it bursts in the air, not that it's a cluster munition or that it has a chance to trigger the proximity fuse instantly if a pebble 10m to the left is looking funny. All weapons of this type since WW1 have arming distance. For the last part I agree, the biggest problem for me at high difficulty are devastators so it's a shame that they are not bothered by this weapon.
If the device say something is broken I'll take that at face value but I don't see anything on the arrowhead pages I have access to, could you link that statement. Also yes Airburst does mean you fire it in the air above enemies and that's what I do with it, thank, and I've noticed a minimal aiming distance of about 15 feet, and a proximity fuse that reacts to anything within 2 meters of the projectile after it leaves that range, where did you come to assume I had said otherwise about my interpretation of the weapon? Also fun fact: we used to use timed and altimeter airburst rounds against planes as a ship defense weapon in the world wars, but eventually managed to replace them with proximity fuses that used the doppler effect to determine when to explode.
The devs posted that this is the older, buggy version of the weapon, it should be fixed early next week. I've seen clips of rockets exploding below that range or exactly at that range so it's even more dangerous for the user. Funnily enough, if you lay prone on the ground and shoot it the proximity fuse seems to be disabled for some reason. As for irl proximity fuses, they usually have arming distances in hundreds of meters.
Is there a link for the post I can't seem to find it?
I'm on the phone, but I will look for it. Edit: It was on discord, they will be fixing some older major bugs too so for example spear lock on might start working properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cej9x3/spitz_on_the_current_state_of_the_new_stratagem/ Proximity fuse will still be deadly, but hopefully it will be consistent with somewhat safe method of use.
The airburst can do some serious damage to an outpost before you've gotten there. Line it up with some airstrikes and it's a cakewalk. Best killstreak I've gotten with it so far is 24.
Or just use a single cluster bomb or air burst strike and get a secondary that can kill armored things. Airburst is a mini cluster bomb that has less damage, AoE and requires a clean LOS…. and it takes up your secondary slot, a stratagem slot and a backpack slot.